Idiosyncrasies in Elite Weightlifters - Why you shouldn't use elites as reasoning for your bad technique. Thanks as always to HookGrip / hookgrip Music by - Ibrahim "flappers" Support Ibrahim ~ / ibr Song page ~ / flappers
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@brzrkrborbas11036 жыл бұрын
i always tell myself im klokov before my 110kg squat :(
@hassanthecloser5 жыл бұрын
LOL
@dorobot055 жыл бұрын
How's your squat now? 3 plates?
@afb91765 жыл бұрын
Now?
@jockim1235 жыл бұрын
Now?
@Joseph_Hamilton5 жыл бұрын
Still better than mine sadly
@armwrestlingelysium5 жыл бұрын
I am Clarence Kennedy
@user-ec2jr6pv1s5 жыл бұрын
where is your pink tight suite, man?
@frankchen42295 жыл бұрын
@@user-ec2jr6pv1s ITS TIME TO STOP
@aerodrom12914 жыл бұрын
Now that crossed the line
@98kickinit4 жыл бұрын
Bay Zercher you are not Kennedy
@user-km8oh1ll5t4 жыл бұрын
lolpussy
@arnoldk97676 жыл бұрын
What if Klokov watches this video? Mind blown..
@themadlad85405 жыл бұрын
Well if he is. He is eating a ass end of a polar bear that he killed with his bare hands!
@timmiaushamburg5 жыл бұрын
well that is the joke right at the beginning of this video?
@richardsantanna53984 жыл бұрын
@K G Wtf? 🤣
@dillon56184 жыл бұрын
@@ProxyAuthenticationRequired deep shit
@antoniom_sports79714 жыл бұрын
@@ProxyAuthenticationRequired fuck you
@ilovestretchmarks5 жыл бұрын
You know I woke up today thinking “You know what I think I’m Klokov” glad this video set me straight
@frankopanklaric6 жыл бұрын
*Sees title* As if I needed my self esteem any lower. Thanks alot man.
@YashSharmaFitness5 жыл бұрын
This is the most beautiful lifting channel on YT
@ranveerrajput3403 жыл бұрын
damn you here!!
@nicklozano25043 жыл бұрын
👌true
@hemantpanchal88762 жыл бұрын
Har jagah Sirf Yash hi Yash hai LoL!!!
@a59rahulkashyap232 жыл бұрын
agreed for sure💯🍻
@1991abhijit2 жыл бұрын
Anywhere lifting is, yash will be there. Either teaching or learning. He is so passionate bout lifting.
@user-sc1yk6ld2v6 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video. I almost completely screwed my technique. When my coach finally told me the same: "You are not Klokov". He also explained that unlike Klokov my legs stronger than my back, i have a different proportions(slightly more balanced) so i must do it other way. P.s. my coach old school soviet champion. All this videos about elite athletes doing teaching their technique can really mess you up. Always listen to your coach guys. Thanks again for your video.
@togo70226 жыл бұрын
i’m lu
@zacktelander6 жыл бұрын
ummlol then I’m maligov. I’ve got an obsession with his technique.
@togo70225 жыл бұрын
Zack Telander revisiting this conment after your most revent video ;(
@Hellodespair3 жыл бұрын
YOU ARE NOT LU
@mickey66963 жыл бұрын
You are not lu. Oh wait that’s a different video
@tony_51562 жыл бұрын
I’m SHI that Chinese technique is amazing They have it down so perfectly
@ag92976 жыл бұрын
This applies to Powerlifting too. To every sport/practice also, I'd imagine. Beethoven probably isn't a perfect musician to emulate.
@RobRIPDG6 жыл бұрын
Think a good comparison would be trying be a pianist like Rachmaninov . Those possible stubby digits aint gonna help.
@LukeFaulkner6 жыл бұрын
Beethoven is a curious choice - we have only contemporary accounts (not footage or recordings for obvious reasons) to go on for his aptitude as a performer, and he is predominantly known for his compositions which are widely emulated for being perfect examples of their kind. As for Rachmaninoff, I can sort of see where you're coming from - he had long fingers with exceptional joint flexibility, which you simply can't emulate unless you have those genetics. I think, if you're looking for a music example, I'd go with the pianist Vladimir Horowitz. He played in a manner that pretty much all teachers would forbid, yet attained exceptional results.
@LukeFaulkner6 жыл бұрын
Haha, I like weightlifting but am a pianist for a living. Not often I see someone mention Beethoven & Rachmaninoff in the comments .Might have gotten a bit carried away though
@DavidHuebel6 жыл бұрын
Even if you aren't world-class, it's important to lean on your strengths for peak performance, but also to press towards the mean for peak improvement. Your weird advantage is where today's wins are; your weird deficiency is where tomorrow's improvements are.
@tokkia13846 жыл бұрын
The best example is maybe Horowitz. His hand and wrist positioning would be seen by any piano instructor as wrong. But Horowitz is Horowitz
@David-ud9ju6 жыл бұрын
Klokov's narrow stance with toes out so the hips can be opened up isn't a mistake; that's a very good way of doing it.
@zacktelander6 жыл бұрын
David I agree. However if I saw a newer athlete setting up the same way I would question the efficacy of it. This is essentially the argument I’m making.
@yewsh6 жыл бұрын
IF you have the mobility/body type klokov has.
@deanarvin6 жыл бұрын
I recall a video where (if I remember correctly) it's because of an imbalance. If you notice, his left foot is substantially more rotated than the right foot. Potentially unrelated, Klokov rotates to his right when locked out overhead when he's using a relatively heavy weight.
@Bagheera_warzone6 жыл бұрын
William, that rotation is due to a shoulder injury. According the Klokov, he hurt it during a maximum jerk attempt and then the spinning started.
@sauluspaulus6 жыл бұрын
the feet slightly apart is definitly not a technical error the opposite is the case..... he even states that clearly himself he does it because that is the CORRECT way and all the american athletes do it wrong.... feet slightly apart is the natural stance... just watch his 1,5 hour video on weightlifting for beginners he specifically points out that american weightlifters specifically have a WRONG technique because they dont have their feet apart....
@MerlinDeLyon6 жыл бұрын
So damn well put tbh. I'm tired of professionnal youtube commentators claiming deadlifting with a round back, squating with hands touching the plates is the super sekrit key to elite totals just because some athletes get away with it Love your vids Zack, keep em coming
@matthewtube76 жыл бұрын
+Mr FZ I follow many of the prominent youtubers and I've never heard any of them say either of those things. I've only heard them say the opposite. Who are the culprits you're referring to?
@matthewtube76 жыл бұрын
And what exactly is a "professional youtube commentator"? *Learn to spell.
@matthewtube76 жыл бұрын
You rude thing. :)
@mirkomarjanovic32343 жыл бұрын
@@matthewtube7 Yep. Hafthors 501 deadlift was with straight back and no hitching, it would be white lighted even in IPF, some do pull ugly, but it doesn't make it right.
@Nesto382 жыл бұрын
Deadlifting with a rounded back is dangerous for a majority of the population. That's why most advise against it. However there are some that can get away with pulling like that
@saunch_bodybuilding55465 жыл бұрын
I’m not even a weightlifter, yet I have been binging your contender since I found your channel yesterday. Great voice and content
@camerongray77674 жыл бұрын
Who else thought they were Klokov until they watched this video 😱
@benjaminbaldovino65406 жыл бұрын
the style of ur videos are awesome... not to mention the content, good stuff man
@ergolineL6 жыл бұрын
So glad I found this channel. Great content man!
@MisterWeatherby5 жыл бұрын
Good video, Zack. In Klokov's 15 part series on KZfaq he repeatedly teaches the novice to lift with toes open. I think he is convinced it is the best. Even for novices.
@scottcrittendon20445 жыл бұрын
You know I stumbled onto this channel browsing the net today, and i have to say i approve with the realistic things you are saying and how to think when training. This video definitely gets a like from me :)
@bobbysayer58016 жыл бұрын
This video was soo well put together I love it
@mariocassal20013 жыл бұрын
Automatic subscription after finishing the video. Great content here. Thank you sir.
@elmarperez78103 жыл бұрын
Always enjoy your video and commentary Zack, super informative. Track choice, one of my favs on rotation.
@angetan12232 жыл бұрын
Great video man, really enjoying your video essays.
@bendandsnatch26836 жыл бұрын
2:39 makes the entire video genuinely worth it/useful.
@chauvo26265 жыл бұрын
Great video. I think those are the most important and yet often neglected factors among athletes.
@z33572246 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video. Very insightful!
@akwamann6 жыл бұрын
Just got into weightlifting some months ago. Found your channel last week. Dude your channel's the shit!
@GarfThings6 жыл бұрын
This is a great video. Really put a new spin on how I watch things.
@danielgoulet37366 жыл бұрын
Love ur vids, this chanel definitely deserves more subs!
@nickzardiashvili6246 жыл бұрын
Very good video. This is also extremely applicable to combat sports, where this is actually even more commonplace due to the variety of techniques and radical difference in styles. "GSP never really moved his head why should I?"; "Roy Jones hopped into his punches all the time, that means so can I!" Well, you're not either of them.
@Johnathanoppo4 жыл бұрын
Love the vids man! Keep it up!
@bujarmurati30046 жыл бұрын
Let's take a moment to appreciate the beautiful production quality of this video
@jmbstat6 жыл бұрын
good video, gotta remember to WORK WITH WHAT YOU GOT
@robertroth95622 жыл бұрын
I have always seen Dmitri's narrow pulling stance as a tribute to the man who taught him the lifts: Slava Klokov, a man who was a great champion in his own right.
@JG-ce6op6 жыл бұрын
Klokov is a monster. Really strong, really powerful and really flexible. I have been practising snatches for the past few months, and have watched Klokov's videos for help. His feet pointed out and closer together stance is perfect. It gives the maximum amount of power. His advice on hip contact has also really helped me. I'm not obviously not him. But the knowledge he has to offer is invaluable.
@AlejandroSanchez-pl6jw5 жыл бұрын
I read the title and I told myself "I wish"
@jordeaman6 жыл бұрын
this is a good video zack thanks!
@davidprendergast76976 жыл бұрын
Keep making videos. They're brilliant.
@zacktelander6 жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching!
@ypoxondrios6 жыл бұрын
Congratulations for this video !!!
@malikaminor2 жыл бұрын
This is becoming the hard2hurt of weightlifting and I love it
@Finkelfunk6 жыл бұрын
Just to be clear on this one: Form > Weight. Always. If you have the chance to lift 100kg with good form or 120kg with bad form, ALWAYS stick with the good form variant. These athletes are going to their absolute limits to achieve the maximum amount of weight they can possibly handle. In this their technical flaws become EXTREMELY apparent. If you do squats without weight as a regular person you won't see any problems, but add weight and you'll see things like buttwink, knees caving in or your hips shooting up occur. It's natural that these mistakes become clear at high loads as they reveal the weakest links in the entire movement chain which doesn't make them good, but they just show an athlete is giving it all he's got. Their deficits in form are absolutely no standard to be compared with. Look at their lifts at about 40-60kg below their PRs, THAT'S how you wanna do it. A weight they can easily handle but with clean technique. Olympia is nothing a regular human can compare himself to.
@squatch5706 жыл бұрын
Gym Squad Really? You don't understand why?? It's pretty basic... the body is trying to handle a load it's not used to or strong enough for yet, to complete with good form. The more it's worked on, the body adapts and becomes stronger, the load gets easier and form improves. For some people it is fear of going beyond a point they've never been before but that's a mental issue more than a physical one.
@fabiotieri31556 жыл бұрын
You're right, but if by any chance your name is Lu Xiaojun or Tian Tao that doesn't apply.
@ReallyDumbVideo6 жыл бұрын
I swear to god I have seen you comment in so many places Mr Finkel Funk
@lIlIllIlIllIlllIllIIIIIIIIIlII6 жыл бұрын
Finkel - Funk shut up idiot, you try lifting it
@grahammutter86556 жыл бұрын
if you're only ever lifting weights that do not cause errors to show up in your form you'll never make it past an intermediate level of strength
@martinchouinard-dionne26956 жыл бұрын
Great point of view !
@geol54484 жыл бұрын
Oh man i am so proud you mentioned Pyrros Dimas
@nodnarbregztem85466 жыл бұрын
Great message!
@Crwiii6 жыл бұрын
A rule of thumb I try to use when learning from my favorite lifter is to see them hit 80% attempts to gauge what they consistently do. Suharevs, Max lang, Sohrab Moradi and Adam Maligov all have some amazing techniques to learn from to me. Especially Maligov.
@Bagheera_warzone6 жыл бұрын
maligov is bae
@gravedigger925756 жыл бұрын
Gabriel Sincraian also has great technique
@_.Dave._6 жыл бұрын
Love your videos
@OnJamIs6 жыл бұрын
Great video man.
@ajaxsanchez7373 жыл бұрын
the other day i was in a four hour lecture with Dmitry and he stated that these athletes should not be role models exactly for even though they look good their technique is not always perfect they have minor issues and he said when your a professional these minor issues are always compensated for something else. basically saying that do the best technique you can do and keep on that because that’s the best you can do, don’t follow these top professionals exactly because they’ve trained for so long they have already compensated in a different way for their technique flaws
@matthewwood25594 жыл бұрын
I’m slightly bow legged like Klokov and I’ve found that when I get to my start position since my legs go outward more than normal it’s better for me to have a closer stance
@normschan55483 жыл бұрын
I must say, what a title to remind us mere mortals.
@gingerayyle6 жыл бұрын
Great video. I think something else that could be mentioned is that these elite lifters in the Olympics or Worlds are trying to win, so they will try to complete lifts as best they can regardless of how good their technique is (because their careers depend on it). Some technique flaws during competition lifts can be attributed to the sheer weight they're lifting.
@chrisduncan44066 жыл бұрын
This video makes a lot of good points, not what I was expecting but it does bring a little clarity as I've been working on snatches the last two years via crossfit and I couldn't help but notice people start to teach the small points differently. Then being the Kinesiology major I am I started to analyze why, and It's definitely build dependent, but the problem I'm seeing is that coaches do not adjust to their lifter, they make their lifter adjust to the coaches style. I think this is where American's (especially crossfit) runs into trouble. Like you said, always be objectifying and asking questions of why are you doing it this way? Is this the best way for me? or the best way for you?
@theone57496 жыл бұрын
Dmitry's form is how I learned not cause of him but because his form is very similar to the old American style. If you use see vidoes of Tommy Kono he had a very similar technique however Klokov has made it to where it benefits him. Starting my pull with a narrow stance and feet pointed out helps me feel the weight midfoot/balls of my feet and makes extension easier.
@toomuch97626 жыл бұрын
Rene Molina well said. I like zachs videos but he is bluffing in this one. Tommy Konos videos are the best on KZfaq. Most of the other "American" coaches on it don't know what they are talking about and seem to only go by KZfaq videos of top lifters and guessing what they are doing. My favourite term from America is the "double knee bend" 😂😂😂😂
@MV-ch3mm3 жыл бұрын
I find technique to be a general guideline for the lifter to find what's best for their individual bodies. Because we are all different, we move different and we have different "best technique".
@FioriBen6 жыл бұрын
thanks for the reminder, i almost forgot.
@thevikingbeard895 жыл бұрын
I've noticed and been seen to have a rotational issue in my hips so I squat and deadlift now with a slight staggered stance to balance myself out. Better weights and no pain.
@smolboyi5 жыл бұрын
awesome video man, thanks (:
@CrniWuk6 жыл бұрын
When it comes to form, there is a general stance that you should know, but I don't know of trainers that say you have to stick to it religiously since they are all aware about the anatomical differences everyone has. At least trainers that I saw, they would stress out that some people have wider legs, narrower hips, larger torsos etc. So obviously you have to adjust accordingly when you get to heavier weights to avoid torque. I mean weight lifting is at the most basic form just physics and mechanics when you think about it.
@Omkieee4 жыл бұрын
Excellent use of the word 'titular'
@rewtru82733 жыл бұрын
"This boy does everything wrong, but it comes out right!" Muhammad Ali's coach Angelo Dundee. Now I probably get these words!
@sumtingwong87686 жыл бұрын
PRACTICE MAKES PERFECT
@NickChase6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for letting me know. If you did not made this video I will be living in delusion and think I was this guy.
@sultanofsquats32896 жыл бұрын
Wow. This was a great video.
@Azami00014 жыл бұрын
This is the same in martial arts. A person's footwork may work for them but not for you. Sometimes, deviating from the "perfect" method is not always bad.
@notyouraveragemo56216 жыл бұрын
Nicely done.
@kiffe225 жыл бұрын
Not really on topic but that clip at 2:40 of Klokov pulling up his pants is a fucking genius analogy
@mysteriousman4966 Жыл бұрын
thanks for reminding me man! i just checked the mirror just to be 100 per cent sure!!
@hannahanderson42245 жыл бұрын
Great video well said
@grantoden82424 жыл бұрын
"WhooooOOOOOOP" - Klokov
@Ezio97916 жыл бұрын
Yeah thanks for reminding me
@ryanoconnell66176 жыл бұрын
Zack, would you be willing to make a video all about pulls? It would be an interesting topic. Many lifters tend to either over look them and do a 3x 5 at whatever %, similar to the hypertrophy work that you already addressed in a previous video. Perhaps cover all different types of pulls and thier uses and optimal percentage range. Drive pulls to develop strength, panda pulls for technique etc. Thanks! Keep up the great work
@zacktelander6 жыл бұрын
Ryan O'Connell Absolutely. This is a great idea.
@kyrie44516 жыл бұрын
The problem with extremely close stance is that the hips must shift posteriorly instead of shifting the knees anteriorly as all weightlifters should. As a result of hips moving back, the moment arm between the bar and the hips increase, and more stress is placed on the back. The other problem with close stance is that the centre of mass will increase if you want the torso to stay upright, making snatch, clean, squat more unstable. And it doesn't allow you to go as low without torso leaning forward.
@SquirtyCheeks5 жыл бұрын
That first joke was brilliant 👌 very nice 10/10
@tonytrap2 жыл бұрын
This video said the most without saying literally anything.
@EXKRS003 жыл бұрын
I'm not Lu and I'm not Klokov, after years of trying to find my identity, I am at a lost. (Deep voice) THIS FALL (Fade) Who really am I? (Fade) (Deep voice) A MAN WHO THOUGHT HE WAS LU, A MAN WHO THOUGHT HE WAS KLOKOV, IS NOW TRYING TO FIND HIS REAL IDENTITY. HE WAS LIED TO, AND NOW IT'S TIME FOR HIM TO KNOW COMING NOW ON THEATERS
@UndoMove6 жыл бұрын
Klokov: *Reads title* Klokov: Shakes head
@loopeydloop3 жыл бұрын
Rewatched 3.5 years later - shit still holds up despite how much more we've all learned as the sport has kept changing and developing. Unliked dat bish just so I could relike it; thank you Telamander
@femshep40185 жыл бұрын
Came for the Klokov, stayed for the awesome video.
@pdsinc30565 жыл бұрын
Awesome video
@ethanscot75655 жыл бұрын
I need a link to the song all the links in the bio are dead, this song is too fire
@dylanmorgan55892 жыл бұрын
Not every flaw hurts everyone. This is true. My shitty diet doesn't effect me. But there's zero value in building up flaws. Beginners can't excuse flaws but elites can. Beginners will find their excuses later on when they're elites who can't waste any time. This is why people who train for fun always have better form that those who train for money. This is true in every sport. I regularly smoke long time runners who've been training for decades and have perfect form even though they never compete. But their shins don't hurt and mine do. They were able to take their time without the pressure of rushing progress for a trophy. Fix your flaws and be consistent or you'll have to wreck your shins to beat a 39 uear old amateur.
@blackcommand57413 жыл бұрын
Nice research work Bro let me know if I can add some with u
@MediHusky3 жыл бұрын
When I'm on my last set I crank up the Bach and tell myself "I'm James fucking May."
@johnnycto75766 жыл бұрын
I've found that stretching my lips before lifting, like Suleimanoglu, helps me concentrate!
@syahrules6 жыл бұрын
Can anyone tell me the name of the Weightlifter in the blue suit that cleans really late in the lift?
@JinnDante5 жыл бұрын
Same . His technique is interesting
@randomone30935 жыл бұрын
Kirill Pavlov
@ashutoshdube65603 жыл бұрын
Thanks for telling me
@primenathanos44926 жыл бұрын
Imo best 77kg athlete is Mohammed Ehab. The speed at which he drops under the bar is amazing 👌🏼
@wee64896 жыл бұрын
Well said
@leoesharkey14 жыл бұрын
Dimas, the King.
@emZee19946 жыл бұрын
Fantastic
@hkabak39996 жыл бұрын
Well said bro
@samuelmiscik56673 жыл бұрын
Perfect opening joke❤️😂love it
@jdkoz985 жыл бұрын
I used to snatch when training for football, that shit always scared me. I think the most I ever did was 35 lbs on each side. Always thought my shoulder was gonna explode
@nktrainingsystems4 жыл бұрын
great video
@joshuabrown93985 жыл бұрын
What if, because everyone's body is different these are the most efficient ways to move the weight for your specific examples?
@teddy_bearc_bolten38856 жыл бұрын
So pursue perfect technique but don’t be ashamed of your genetic/ mechanical flaws. Otherwise...if it works and doesn’t injure you, it’s good enough.
@ShovelChef6 жыл бұрын
This is so entertaining. 😄
@joelvilleneuve70374 жыл бұрын
First line was pure gold lol
@jasonjase86613 жыл бұрын
A thing that is not normally take into account is bone structure. People actually have different hip and shoulder joints. Most people think we are all the same in that extent but we are not. The toes out instead of forward is not an error. It is to do with how the femur fits into the hip socket.
@XXLRebel3 жыл бұрын
I have the same bow in my legs so I look at his technique in the hopes it will help mine. I naturally walk with my feet wide apart so it also feels natural in the pull to point my toes slightly more out. I also find I need to get very low to get a lot of leg drive (not squatting the weight up) and generate a lot of power. Other than that my proportions are of course different to Klokov's so that's where my comparison ends. I'm not a russian well build athlete. I'm more asian(Indonesian) build with a long torso, short femurs but gain a lot of height from my Dutch heritage. Genetics ARE complicated.
@zizougt35254 жыл бұрын
Is the outro music saying " i've got bleeding gums"?
@Magicallstore5 жыл бұрын
Just trust your body and be yourself nothing is impossible