You vs Filippo Ganna 🏆 World Record (aka Science of the 4000m Pursuit)

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You vs Filippo Ganna 🏆 World Record (aka Science of the 4000m Pursuit)

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@WHERESSS 4 жыл бұрын

600 watts is my 3 second power

@blinzi69 3 жыл бұрын

im 70kg - my 3s power is 1200w but my ftp is only 240w - guess im a typical sprinter then?

@mindciller 3 жыл бұрын

1200 isn't enough at that weight. There's lots of lighter sprinters with more power. You would need to be in the 1600's

@blinzi69 3 жыл бұрын

@@mindciller i dont mean i could compete on professional level all i was saying is that compared to my low ftp my sprint watts are relatively high which makes me assume i am more of a sprinter type of cyclist.

@desmoMarco91 3 жыл бұрын

@@blinzi69 i think it depends on your training...if you are well trained those are sprinter-type numbers. 240w is pretty decent in my book though

@geanimorandisefu1122 3 жыл бұрын

@@blinzi69 im 15 58kg 1269w max 10sec ...

@truetourtillott8288 4 жыл бұрын

I'll save everyone the suspense on my outcome vs Filippo

@patricj951 4 жыл бұрын

Amazing! If you manage 300w for 4min you are in good fit. And an untrained average person may manage 200w or so. Yes, the weight and size matters of course. I am in the beginning of my cycling preparation for the season and will soon try my 4min result.

@user-cg7ql1mq8z Жыл бұрын

Is 5mins 440w is good enough?

@patricj951 Жыл бұрын

@@user-cg7ql1mq8z that is very good!

4 жыл бұрын

Ganna : 76 kg / 607 watts for 4 minutes. Me : 86 kg / 400 watts for 4 minutes. That hurts

@UbzUnclemax 3 жыл бұрын

You're approximately the same weight though. Not sure where you got the 76 kg number. He's 193 cm, mind you, and got quite a muscular lower body. www.tuttobiciweb.it/article/2020/04/27/1587914722/filippo-ganna-record-del-mondo-quartetto-inseguimento-record-dell-ora

@nicolashelios8556 3 жыл бұрын

Me : 84 kg / 357 watts for 4 minutes. 😭😞

@simonrano8072 3 жыл бұрын

Me : 66 Kg / 420 watts for 4 min

@mariosimas 3 жыл бұрын

@@simonrano8072 my record is 420W for 5m with 68 kilos

@simonrano8072 3 жыл бұрын

@@mariosimas you win :)

@Fastfitnesstips 4 жыл бұрын

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@jaredfontaine2002 4 жыл бұрын

I am going to Salida CO from Decemeber to Oct. It is at 7,000 ft above sea level. How should I train?

@Fastfitnesstips 4 жыл бұрын

@@jaredfontaine2002 Are you racing there or training? at 7000ft you will have an initial drop of 7% in aerobic efficiency but a 21% reduced aero drag. By training there progressively you will gradually acclimatize to that altitude (takes months ideally) and then you will get a significant benefit on returning to sea level. email coaching@fastfitness.tips for more.

@StephenLaneCycling 4 жыл бұрын

I lasted til lap 11 of 16. Pretty happy with that. Scary thing is he would be able to beat me in the kilo... in the sprint... and I raced at the bottom end at elite level.

@jiyon167 4 жыл бұрын

I went to British Cycling seminar hosted by Simon Jones, he stated that when tested most BC athletes tested would actually decelerate on the bankings and would put the power down on the straights. British cycling were trying to counter that.

@veganpotterthevegan 11 ай бұрын

Weird because it's been long known to not do that. From cyclists, to speed skaters and even racecar drivers

@jpeezus6519 4 жыл бұрын

He's on nofap

@douglasbooth6836 Жыл бұрын

He’s done it all!!

@jordywilliams 4 жыл бұрын

Owain Doull for Rio team pursuit gold did Start: 1500w On the front: 700w In the wheels: 400w

@Fastfitnesstips 4 жыл бұрын

Valuable information! Do you have any link to that powerfile, if so I can improve the team model. cheers!

@jordywilliams 4 жыл бұрын

FastFitnessTips: Cycling Science! Nope, just asked him on IG

@Fastfitnesstips 4 жыл бұрын

@@jordywilliams What do you think of this? fft.tips/drafttrack

@njm3211 4 жыл бұрын

He's going for the hour record. Should be able to snatch it away.

@muratguc5245 3 жыл бұрын

Today he proved that it's not only me that cannot be compared to him.

@nik3tub312 3 жыл бұрын

i am 65kg and my max power 4min is About 410w

@speed-qh9cc 4 жыл бұрын

Wow... comparing a time from the Aussie 1993 team pursuit to Fillippo’s individual Pursuit in 2019 Ever thought of technology advancements? Training advancements? I reckon if the 1993 Aussie team pursuit had the same technology they would absolutely smash that. Oh wait, what’s the current world record for the team pursuit? 3:48.012 Which you know is a fair bit faster. Not taking anything away from Fillippo, but comparing his lighting fast time to a time from 1993 doesn’t seem right. Let’s see Fillippo or someone get under the 4 minute mark. Once seemed impossible for teams but easily done now...

@veganpotterthevegan 11 ай бұрын

Well...

@douglasbooth6836 Жыл бұрын

I like the fact he didn’t look even warmed up.

@brianmessemer2973 4 жыл бұрын

What's my 4 minute power? Just checked my Strava power curve: 332 watts 😬

@lucazanoni9168 3 жыл бұрын

Amazing analysis, not sure about the 175mm cranks

@jbdvries 2 жыл бұрын

As a C-racer, I have to conclude after watching this video, that I may even be slower than Filippo Ganna on my best days (by tons/ many laps ).

@dagabriel9416 3 жыл бұрын

Doper like all the other pro cyclists.

@wostrick2259 4 жыл бұрын

9:02 For me it would be easy to find these 18 watts...😁

@ilanpi 4 жыл бұрын

This comparison won't work for a number of reasons: 1. Unless you are a dedicated time trialist, you won't be able to put out your maximum power over 4 minutes in the required aero position. 2. Unless you are a dedicated track rider, you won't be able to put out your maximum power at the required cadence of at least 110 rpm. 3. Unless you have practiced starts, you won't be able to start fast enough. 4. He's doing like 1:06 for the first kilometer, which beats almost all amateurs just doing a one kilometer time trial.

@Fastfitnesstips 4 жыл бұрын

So true, its very difficult to do this in real life, unless you are trained specifically for this event. It is more than just power.

@OFFSHOREDOUG 3 жыл бұрын

My 1 minute power. I’m happy with that. Plus can he drill an oil well?

@sasquatchrosefarts 2 жыл бұрын

Didn't you know? He owns an oil rig and he powers it with his stationary trainer. so, the answer is yes.

@timlages1257 3 жыл бұрын

464 for 4mins is my PB at 81kg. The idea of being about to do over 600w for that length of time is terrifying.

@alex9046 Жыл бұрын

aaand the idea of holding 450 for 1 hour

@patricj951 Жыл бұрын

@@alex9046 That's incredible!

@ridenfish39 3 жыл бұрын

I’m about 450 for 4 minutes these days. 73 kilos. When I was younger and worked on it I did 500.

@chriswitek9455 4 жыл бұрын

fwiw one of the british riders said 1400w off the line, 700 on the front, 400 in the wheels for londons team pursuit

@Fastfitnesstips 4 жыл бұрын

Yes quite true...obviously the exact watts depends on ability....but the 1400w is the peak power whereas I cited average over first 2 laps of acceleation

@jezhopo7221 4 жыл бұрын

@@Fastfitnesstips Thing to note is that the 'numbers' is always going up, London times are now outdated and wont cut it but chris' numbers look reasonable, TP is becoming a sprint not endurance ride, there is no way these guys will only average 436w in a TP.

@Fastfitnesstips 4 жыл бұрын

@@jezhopo7221 You are probably right, but I need the team power data to make a correction (if only the average)

@markagent6186 3 жыл бұрын

I'm 55kg and have got a 4 min power if around 260

@cremenivea6282 3 жыл бұрын

You a pro mate, or a continental cyclist?

@paulvanzweel 4 жыл бұрын

8 watts per kilo for 4 minutes sounds clean to me, nothing suspicious here.

@levivv 4 жыл бұрын

ahhh cycling fans, who so dearly love to hate the sport they follow

@82vitt 4 жыл бұрын

Full natty braaah!!!

@paulvanzweel 4 жыл бұрын

@@levivv I don't hate the sport. It's always entertaining to see mutant wattage in action regardless of how it was achieved.

@levivv 4 жыл бұрын

@@paulvanzweel you follow it with such negativity which is unwarranted and unfair to the athlete

@mightywench1157 4 жыл бұрын

You're an idiot who knows nothing about cycling. This is track, where pure wattage matters. Where W/kg ratios' don't matter because theres no extra resistance due to gravity on the climbs. There's no climbing in Track, you're angled sideways at a slant so gravity only works forwards, meaning its essentially a series of downhills.

@zaahierstanley955 3 жыл бұрын

What is his FTP? Must be massive

@yellowusbrickus4821 4 жыл бұрын

450 watts 4 min

@tybobab 4 жыл бұрын

Do you take into account the density of the air in your calculations ?

@Fastfitnesstips 4 жыл бұрын

I took a mid-point for sea level at 25 degrees.

@cyclinguniversity1244 4 жыл бұрын

I got lapped on lap 4! doh.

@wigleboy 4 жыл бұрын

I was glad I made 4 laps

@ADY_SR 3 жыл бұрын

270 w for 4 mins.. :/

@himkent16 4 жыл бұрын

He's on gear

@ismailanwer7337 3 жыл бұрын

400 watts 5min mine power

@MLSSTM 3 жыл бұрын

Me: 890 watts for 10 minutes. My Vespa: You?

@socaltop10 4 жыл бұрын

Very impressive power from Ganna, especially considering he must be fully natural (because it's impossible to outsmart WADA). Imagine how much faster he would be with the help of Dr Ferrari.

@dupondavignon869 4 жыл бұрын

Was thinking exactly the same thing. That's why I'm so interested about their natural performance and compare them to me on a permanent basis.

@msmyankees 4 жыл бұрын

Yeah WADA has never let anything slip by them before

@nothingwrongwiththisname2313 4 жыл бұрын

@@msmyankees Yea they do

@wervelstorm7559 3 жыл бұрын

Cant tell if your sarcisctic, if so nice joke.

@Bayo106 3 жыл бұрын

@@nothingwrongwiththisname2313 its sarcasm

@christophergrulich1538 4 жыл бұрын

Jackfrags??

@MichaelCaneyJr 2 жыл бұрын

420 for 4 @58 kilos.

@shaymtbrider7244 4 жыл бұрын

250

@zwtvchannel 2 жыл бұрын

Fuuuuuck. I’m 62kg with 415W best 5min power.

@patricj951 Жыл бұрын

Very good for your weight!

@deezhond4 4 жыл бұрын

Its just simple,when you heart cyclist,you just push it until you still can push And don't pass the low level until pass at the upper level (watts)

@juliusv2073 4 жыл бұрын

351 for 4 minutes

@nicolashelios8556 3 жыл бұрын

Me : 84 kg / 357 watts for 4 minutes. 😭😞

@rohigz4446 4 жыл бұрын

Mine is 401 watts for 4 minutes

@dobi5385 3 жыл бұрын

My 4 minutes power is around 6.8 w/kg

@demonicdan4302 4 жыл бұрын

530 watts for 5 mins, but that was up a 12% hill

@evanboyle4779 3 жыл бұрын

515 for 4 at 75kg on a road bike uphill…..

@aa-vt2th 4 жыл бұрын

Ganna is 85 kg.

@babc142 4 жыл бұрын

Ganna will be well below 0.2 in all likelihood.

@relikvija 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, but Sam Hyde would devastate him in a real fight.

@sirjozo_8170 2 жыл бұрын

so true

@sirjozo_8170 Жыл бұрын

have you seen the fight? candyman didnt see super strong but it was enough to win

@KISSTEFY 4 жыл бұрын

Fillipo Ganna uses 19mm front, and 23mm rear !!!!!!

@Fastfitnesstips 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you well spotted, makes very little difference to the calculation, but useful to have the correction for sure!

@KISSTEFY 4 жыл бұрын

@@Fastfitnesstips please, of nothing you figured, NOT really a little difference, a lot of difference, if he with 23mm 160gr + 23mm 160gr will not win the world record! in fact with 19mm 140 gr + 23mm 160 gr

@sasquatchrosefarts 2 жыл бұрын

If they made a 25mm disc he would be better off with that. The rear disc serves to reattach airflow disturbed by the front of the bike. I don't think skinnier is better in back . If someone made a 30mm rear disc I would be curious what happens to net drag. Same for 30mm wide deep carbon rims and pave tires - which would be a slam dunk for sales to bike commuters who want a fast bike and want more tire for potholes.

@KISSTEFY 2 жыл бұрын

@@sasquatchrosefarts to set the hour record or the 4000 meter record, the experts do not use as you say unfortunately, because the experts find that they are the fastest tubulars in front of 19 mm and behind 23mm, the bike is very thin therefore behind thin disc wheel with 23mm tubular is enough

@sasquatchrosefarts 2 жыл бұрын

@@KISSTEFY what's the widest disc in current production? Because a bigger rider makes a bigger wake, there might be times a wider disc is better at reattaching airflow.

@matteoconti6110 4 жыл бұрын

fyi GCN Italia estimated a range of 720-770 W

@Fastfitnesstips 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks, the Italian newspapers have reported it was 607 for run 1 and 609 for run two (typo in article re 509). (www.gazzetta.it/Ciclismo/04-11-2019/ciclismo-ganna-uno-duerecord-4-km-4-02647-dopo-l-olimpiade-mi-prendo-l-ora-350813034586.shtml)

@matteoconti6110 4 жыл бұрын

Low 600s seems more reasonable considering that Wigging's hour record was made at 458 W

@jezhopo7221 4 жыл бұрын

@@matteoconti6110 Apart from he just took 8 seconds off the best time at sea level....