Thanks for mentioning me. I do think this is becoming a serious issue. Raising your auto insurance rates based on driving habits is only the beginning.

So a car wreck survival kit should now include a stungun to fry the ecu after the wreck.

Two words, BIG BROTHER......

Carburetors don't spy lol

Yes, I think you nailed it. Between the phone and car! You are F! How do we get our lives back? Go back in time and start paying cash. Crazy stuff for sure.

We need aftermarket, third party operating systems a consumer can install and opt out.

Just bought a brand new Nissan last weekend. At the dealership they give you a official form from Nissan stating they will collect everything they can from you. You have to sign the form, otherwise the dealer can not release the car to you. Its mental!!

I'll keep my 26 year old F250 with a 460 running... It doesn't send data anywhere. (1) pcm (stock) computer runs it. NOT subject to software updates/glitches, etc. No '30 electronic modules' to fail, and how long are replacement modules going to be made for new cars? 10 years down the road, is Oreilly's going to be stocking the power seat module If I need 4wd, yes, I have to lock the front hubs myself. Easy enough to do if I need it. Then just pull the lever, no '4wd button' and motors/vacuum modulators to fail. Traction control? My right foot. (That being said, I do plan on getting an upgrade that will allow me to work with tuning on the original PCM. Last PCM lasted 25 years. But that's as far as I'm willing to push the electronics.) If your car is internet connected, (mapping, infotainment, etc., chances are, it's sending data to companies, who sell that data to other companies.

It’s ALL coming. The collection is already there. Police will be able to research it all at will to “Protect the public”. I don’t even want a new truck. 69 Camaro, 06 grand marquis, 07 Tundra. And they have quite a bit of electronics. I don’t mind ECM or whatever it takes to run car. It doesn’t need to link outside of car. I don’t blue tooth my phone.

Timing coincidence, Andy, but Lehto's Law did a legal case on tracking 3 days ago, and one today on "jamming" trackers.

My 66 Corvette sure as hell ain't tattling, and my '08 Sol GXP has had the Onstar disco'd as long as I've had it.

Thanks Andy, I agree. How far is far enough? I've had suspicions for many years and that's why I drive my '84 Mustang, 1981 f-250, 1995 f-150, and our 2003 Durango.

The problem is people keep buying the crap.

time to go to back to the good old aux cable!

I drive a truck that has a in cab and front facing cam. My late model Lincoln has all the black box tech. Yes, it's gone too far.

These engine remote kill switches should be illegal. Imagine the havoc a hacker could inflict

My car is NOT spying on me, I drive an old car. Pre 1995 is the way to go.

Funny you mentioned this. Ever have a problem with something, only to suddenly start getting ads on KZfaq or Facebook concerning this same problem? Have you started getting call after call from phone numbers you don't recognize? Big Brother is watching!

As far as I know, Ford has been collecting data from vehicles since the 2004 Mustang, and a bit later in other models. Back then they would scan it when taken to a dealer. GM has been collecting data since OnSTAR. Early models had limited data sent and needed to be collected at dealership for bulk data. These days, everything has GPS and wireless transmitting. If your vehicle can do an Over the Air (OTA) update, it can transmit all data. My 2014 Mustang that sees track duty has the head unit removed, GPS and transmitter removed and ECU adjusted to remove all this. This also has an upside of having the dealer stopping from calling me about oil changes and if I want to sell my low mileage car. In fact they think it's totalled since it's not reporting back. If I go in someone else's car I turn off my phone or at least disable Bluetooth and Wi-Fi. Of course it's gone to far, but there's no stopping it. All manufacturers are guilty of it. Go buy a new combine or bulldozer, same deal there. Isn't life great?

Thanks for bringing this to light, people don’t pay enough attention to the issue. We need to speak up.

🎶I always feel like somebody's watchin' me And I have no privacy (Oh-oh-oh) I always feel like somebody's watchin' me Tell me, is it just a dream?🎶

Thanks Brother... UNITY!!.

I'd like a nice 1980 chevy wagon or a 68 vista cruiser with newer powertrain ,vintage air, good suspension...........thats all i need ...ok maybe an old pickup too.

None of my cars spy on me. When I built my daily driver I particularly chose a year model with no computer anything. Its 100% analog and I love it. 🙂

Im absolutely with you, Andy! The first thing I heared about was that cars had like some kind of „black box“ storage in the ECU, where data from ABS like speed and some stuff from the last 30 seconds before crashing was saved and could be read by peofessionals. The first thing that really made me suspicous was the cameras on teslas, which record everything. What you described here goes way too far in my opinion and is a typical case for the age of „Big Data“. I love old vehicles, normally for other reasons, but now I have at least 500 pages more reasons to stick with those! Greetings from Germany, Alex

Good video! Any is too much!

Great video Andy! This crap has been going on for well over a decade now and is exactly why I do not and will not own these "modern" vehicles. My daily is a 1996 Dodge pickup and I'm perfectly happy with it. Today's invasion of privacy completely unacceptable as far as I'm concerned.

Great video when I bought my used 2013 Impala i discounted the on star right away .

Our 2007 Cadillac DTS was hacked … Completely Shut off (Dead)

Big fan of Greg and his channel! Two of my favorite topics: Airplanes & Automobiles

G'day Andy. I just watched a video from Steve Lehto (attourney at law)on the use of GPS jammers in Finland to stop the stealing of information from cars. Might be worth a look.

If there is a way to turn it off you would have to have a program like Fore Scan if you have a Ford vehicle. I have this program and you can go in and turn off or turn on software items. It is free to download if you just want to use it to tune your vehicle.

A person's mobile phone has tracking on it as soon as you activate it, 😂 drive a car from the 60s without computer 😅, thanks for sharing, all the best to you and your loved ones

Phones know where we go , how fast, etc. Our cars have had recorded data for at least 20 years. I found it before they made it unavailable to mechanics at the dealer completely by accedent. It was a chrysler and the module was under the console.

The Gangster Lincoln has factory chrome 16” wheels with yellow stripe white wall Vogue Tires. I’ll send you some pictures buddy :)

Hey Andy, Tim here, it all started with automatic door locks.......you put it in gear, it LOCKS the doors....NO, my boss almost turned down his NEW (at the time) '04 King Ranch F-250 cuz it locked the doors, he put it back in park, and said REMOVE IT, OR NO DEAL!!...he was paying cash......their computer removed it.....but to me, THAT was the beginning of all this GARBAGE!!!........

Caught a stone in the work van,a 2021 ford transit. Costs 2k and needs to be calibrated. Takes like 4 button presses to reset the trip odometer. This is progress.

Casper really is a Ghost Now!!!!! FoMoCo get's absolutely Nothing out of Casper. One more reason I LOVE carburetors and Old School Cool.

It is more insidious than you might think, it does not for instance take much of an imagination to surmise that if your phone has been in bluetooth range of someone else's and for how long that the car or the phone will pass the info on. My current car of course remembered the previous owner's home address and their phone contacts until I wiped the data. I am not up to anything criminal, but the invasion of privacy is not welcome. We all tend to have many devices continuously leaking our information. Assembling the data from various devices could give a third party a huge insight into our lives. One of my company vehicles had GPS tracking linked with OBD data, it was for the usual fleet management purposes but the data was misused by the company. Don't delude yourself that you can disappear by using an old-tech car, certainly here in the UK there are various plate recognition systems in place to track the movements of vehicles. Unfortunately the "innocent" collection of drivetrain telemetry will be subject to court orders in the event of an investigation. It would not take much of a stretch of the imagination to have a situation where authorities are automatically informed of vehicles exceeding speed limits etc.

I worked on a subaru the other day that had a parasitic draw. I ended up tracing it to the GPS locating device that is installed from the factory. this one was malfunctioning, but in the service information it actually says in more complicated terms that if the tracker loses signal it will kill the cars battery trying send it's location. it will continue to send a signal for like 14 days straight before it finally gives up and the battery will not last even half that long. welcome to 1984.

Extra reasons to keep my 1997 Saab 9000 and 2002 9-5 going as long as possible, besides of course from the fact that they are great vehicles. And even better, Saab won't be able to snitch on me anyhow 😁.

Started noticing sketchy stuff with this several years ago when even the lower end models came with automatically with navigation, satelite radio and the works as far as tech. Fun fact. Not calling out a particular brand that has already been called out in this thread but some of their premium models if any of the IT master (the whole brains of the sound system that contains navigation) is diconnected it will not even start the engine. Scary!!

They have been doing this OB2 thear watching your every move

Folks, it's not only your car; everything branded as "Smart" is a surveillance device. Phones, TV's, Fridge, Thermostat, door bell, and so on. Many of these devices cross link you to everyone in your contact list, or even simply a total stranger you are near. A "pattern of life" is built for each of us.

We are free as free range chickens. Even have been given the right to vote to make us feel free😅

Great video Andy, I have that same jacket

When I wrecked my 2012 Mustang, insurance wanted to collect the data from the incident recorder. I told them that it would show what I told them, I opened the throttle too much, lost control and rolled it. Still got paid out. I had ensured previously that the info collected was one way and not reported out to Ford. Newer cars I bet are way more intrusive because we surrender our personal info way too easily. I do love Greg, he's super smart.

No end, all about money.

I'm sure it spies to a degree, but I'm glad I bought my 2018 Chrysler 300s 5.7L Hemi when I did. It will be the last new car I ever buy, most likely, and it has more gadgetry than I even wanted. I have a Sirius XM subscription, but other than that, I don't feel tethered in any way with this vehicle. Drove it to the past 2 No Name Nationals from Georgia, and good Lord willing, I'll be driving it again this year. Might make the Tailgate Drags in Arkansas if I can get a rider to join. 27-29mpg at 70-80mph for 9hrs one way!! God Bless the USA!!

It's even worse then you know. The OEMs already have in place the ability to remotely shutdown your vehicle. The infrastructure bill came with mandating the OEMs to have an immobilizer system in place that can detect alcohol in your body. A whole lot of reasons to keep my '08 as long as I can.

Orwell's version of the future in his book 1984 is so close to reality that it's scary. Look what happening in Canadian now. Its coming here if nothing changes in November. It might be too late already.

Car Coach had a video about kill switches several months ago. Lane correction sydtems won't let you move left or right without using your blinker first. This could be dangerous if it jerks you back. What if you swerve to miss a deer and your car shuts off at night in the cold in the middle of nowhere? Crazy! I still play cds not bluetooth in my 17 year old vehicles. Lol

I am a Ford parts counterman of 23 years. I know you can disable vehicle health reporting so we as a dealer can't see it, but not sure if it stops all reporting to Ford Motor Company...

Review the wiring diagram. Find the transmitter. Disable transmitter. Disable data aquisition instruments?

carbs and p pumps. I am going to miss electronics, I will miss freedom and privacy more.

I’ll keep driving my 66 428 Galaxie & 06 P71 Vic!

I hope like hell my dads 89 suburban doesn’t rat me out for de garbaging it today. Now it’s carbureted and it runs better than it ever has 😅

This is vehicles with the FordPass Connect Modem installed I'm guessing. Our 2015 Ford Mustang Ecoboost isn't equipped with one I don't believe!

Damn Andy now I have another reason not to drive my turbo 2006 Mustang , it just sits in garage and the cat sleeps on it.

“Black boxes” are one of the reasons I’m still driving an ‘04 model car.

🔔😎🇺🇲 I'll take crank windows and a stick shift. Let me check my 1963 for "the box". 02 panther. Face it. DV has zero warranty.

Greg is great. I allmost shit my pants noticing first time my Phone is spying me, now i allmost used to it. I am 53. So this is scary.

Eric Peters has been talking about this for years. Check him out he's a auto reviewer.

Think about a rental car, don't connect your phone to it. My 15 Mustang asks me if I want to download contacts, I dont.

I NEVER allow my phone to connect to ANY car

My 07 Silverado speed limiter is controlled by can bus according to the tune, aka on star. they have been doing this a long time

How does the vehicle upload your information? Is it using your phone data to upload to the manufacturer? Or is the dealer downloading it during service?

I don’t think my 65 Plymouth is going to rat me out…. New cars suck!

Tin foil on the antenna works wonders . My 73 turbo pinto no data.

Andy - Casper - Crown Vic - and the Gangster Lincoln Town Car Cartier cannot spy on us:) Champagne Gold Cartier - she blew the heater hose nipple on the intake. I was only doing a 100mph pass…:) Now she needs and intake

I hope my 2005 Mustang GT doesn't have any of this stuff. It's probably illegal to disable that stuff. It does have these two things in the overhead console behind the map lights, which could be cameras I guess - they're not lights. Suddenly my Mass Air converted '88 GT isn't so scary...

I think part of it is the car manufacturers are protecting themselves in a lawsuit if they find the driver did something to cause an accident. Same for the insurance companies. They can deny any liability because the driver made a mistake, so the burden is on the driver. And I'm sure Big Brother (US Gubmint) can use it for law enforcement. Sometimes that might be good if someone steals your car and they can theoretically track it and find the scumbag. Ah ha! You were going 1 MPH over the posted speed. It's all your fault.

Not my 04 grand Cherokee lol 😂

As a man that builds everything I drive im not to concerned

Maybe she will have a 7.4 Godzilla someday. The Cartier

Insurance companies are using that data to help determine rates, and what YOU pay for how YOU drive.

If it has not got a carb or two on it, it is too far down the tech road. I have a right to change my idle speed!

We've been spied on every since the original OBD's were installed in vehicles. Which is why I will always own at least one older vehicle that has no "computer" or GPS in it

Just an idea, iff'n y'all gots money to burn. My specialty car insurance guy told me a couple years back that if I put a 60's engine in my current Daily '06 Crown Vic, they would classify it as a hot rod, insure it, and thusly it gets exempted from emission testing here in Aridzona. So, in theory, I could buy, say, a new Dark Horse, gut all the new-fangled crap and electronics out (and sell it all), stuff a Cobra Jet in, and be able to drive it around that way. Best of both, I guess. Sometimes you just have to be diabolical.

Yup, especially in motor vehicle fatalities, we download all the data in the car's black box...at least ovwr 15 years now...

Goes to show you the extent of "the matrix", even if you have an old school vehicle, you will have a cell fone on you and even Radio Frequency activated chips in your wallet...you can be tracked from communication towers or by any other form of getting your gps location at any given moment...

Why do think the entertainment system is also know as infotainment system? Food for thought. Old school vehicles is no snitch. The less electronics you have in a vehicle the less is known about you. Keep that in mind.

Rev 13:16 was not written by accident.

I Heard there was a speed control to slow you down. And if you drive erratic it shuts down as if you were drunk have you heard anything like that

Going forward Auto manufacturers need to down on technology

My car is thankfully mostly analog 2009 Cobalt Yeah next car will definitely not be newer than 2009

Andy the privacy issue involves more than just OBD invasion. My big name insurance company has a data logging device with remote download capabilities they are “suggesting” I let them install on my vehicles. Of course it’s free and its alleged purpose is to monitor fuel consumption so they can suggest ways to improve fuel efficiency. Anybody that believes such nonsense is an idiot and shouldn’t be allowed to drive a car based on their stupidity ! I always respect the safety of others and drive accordingly. But when conditions permit, I fully utilize all of the performance my car has. How often and how long I go full throttle is nobody’s business. I didn’t use names to avoid stepping on toes and possibly causing you any problems from the powers that monitor every word of text ✌🏻.

I'm thinking that fancy distributor you have on Casper may, well it might just cut your truck off... just saying 😮

It was maybe two decades ago certain government actors tipped their hand on this: they wanted active rfid tech. If I recall, the list included telemetry [speed & direction], along with vin number and maybe one or two other bits of data. But that needed setup of fixed scanners or all new radar gun tech for police. Today, you have onstar [or whatever], using gps driven data that is capable of listening/gathering/broadcasting just about anything with zero indications just like a number of so called "smart" phones. Remember: anything that is a communications device gets some kind of FCC derived unique number chipped internally.

I would really like to know what year this started collecting everything. I’m willing to trade down to an older truck to get away from this collection era.

Only ford vehicles that report back to ford are ones that have over the air updates (started around 2019+) Easy fix pull TCU fuse.

The sad thing is people will just complie with it. Just how they complied with emissions codes turning off their a/c.

Soon they will outlaw cars without a black box and the roadway will detect if a box is present.

I wonder what happens if you tape over the cameras ? Does the on board computer know this and not allow the car to be driven ?

On the insurance scam firm track? Recently, the main fly by night insurance scam firm, BC/BS got caught selling policy holder data. BC/BS was required to alert policy holders that BC/BS had illegally sold policy holder data. Am certain the car makers collect & sell data as much as possible...

If your car is connected to your wifi, and the vehicle is off. Is it possible, that it is still collecting data about you. While you are in your house, doing whatever? I believe so.

Man.. I can look something up on Google.. then next thing you know it's popping up on adds... go figure! I just bought a brand new f150.. picking it up next weekend.. literally the first thing I was going to do was link my phone to it for pandora for the trip back home in the truck.. NOT NOW!

I've noticed I can be having a conversation with someone and mention something and very soon I will see it on my phone or computer. It's as if someone is listening to my conversations. So listening to this, they are.

What I would like to know is who authorized any of this to start this invasion of privacy. Aren't we supposed to have laws against this?

People need to go to the Ford dealerships and go and pretend they are buying a car, and ask them will this car spy on me and when the say yes, tell them they just lost a cutomer and walk out....