Broke: Using subscription printer. Woke: Using 3d printer to crap words on paper.

If you have to sent an essay, just sent a functioning tablet with the file on it, it would be cheaper

or you know… buy from a better printer company

​@@freedustinYou and make cnc pen writers, no need for the 3rd axis

@gljames24 theyre called plotters and theyre amazing, you can get them for cheap, they all use the same standardised protocol so everything just works, and you can use it to get that "handwritten" look if you employ variable fonts

meanwhile we have Luffy and the crew of the Thousand Sunny

Subscribe to the printer. Live in the pod. Eat the bug.

I would love to know the name of the marketing guy who made this decision and the technical yes man who said yes to this degeneracy.

I will own things, and they will be happy with my one-time payment from many years ago cuz it's obvious that just ain't good enough anymore greedy corps want more money, and faster please 🚫

Holup, isnt the whole reason people dislike communism that you dont have private property? I mean at this rate might as well switch. At least then my money will stay in my country instead of going off to some rich millionaire abroad

On top of the already marked up price of ink haha

How dare you use math to figure out the scam! Send in the Pinkertons!

No, the worst part about this is this business model is slowly sweeping through every corporation around us.

The cost includes the printer and ink too tho, not just paper…

@@AndrewPL5 Boot leather really can't taste that good.

Mario premium

​@@risu6894 That's just the base package. What you want is The Super Mario Package.

Private equity

You cant make more plumbers in China, so this is actually less crazy than rented hp printer.

Do you mean a Preventative Maintenance agreement? That’s been around forever. Or was it something else?

because they are cheap, they make money on the back end, like ink, and soon to come monthly subscriptions.

@@wantu2muchnot anymore lol.

Because advertising.

@@wantu2much They are cheap but their price isn't.

More than anything, because their competitors are doing the same nasty things HP is, because they know HP is basically minting money with this. This is what deregulation and lack of regulation gives you--corporations that just shamelessly stick it to the consumer, and the consumer having nothing they can do about it and nowhere to turn to get it to stop.

My is 10 cent per sheet. But there is no payment process machine, just a box with a hole for you to drop coins into. No one check if you pay. I rarely use cash, so I never have change on me, so I just keep my own tap and thrown in a $5 bill after not paying for a few times.

Even at $0.25 per page it's still an order of magnitude less than what HP charges.

It's typical at large libraries that are used by lots of people, but if you live in a rural butt fuck nowhere town, you probably paying a crap load for something stupid print it on some simple paper.

And the copier at your local library is on a rental / maintenance contract as well. So you're paying a subscription either way.

It was 10 cents when I was 10, and I'm sadly in my 50s now. Well, that's better than the alternative, I suppose, but I've literally been dead, and crossed over, and it wasn't all that bad!

Hated no, absolutely loathed that's something else.

@@SeekingTheLoveThatGodMeans7648 HP stands for "Hated Printer"

​@@adamgreenhill110I always thought it stood for Horrible Product. The printers aren't the only things of theirs that suck.

_"There is no war in Ba Sing Se"_

Apparently they fired all their experienced engineers and hired interns

It’s not even a full ream of 500 pages in the 2 year contract. A ream for reference costs about $3 so you’ll be able to print just under 3$ worth of paper

You've made the mistake of assuming that companies care about what customers think. They only care insofar as it will hurt profits. If subscription services bring in more money, who cares if customers complain.

@@mrbanana6464 they seem to forget there only where they are cause of the customer if nobody bought there stuff they wouldnt be where they are and if companies keep following shady practices then people will go elsewhere

HP business 101

Brother doing it too.

sadly their main customer is now the shareholder and they want money

I truly hope someone does, this is insane! Just go to staples if you wanna print something at this point!

I am already earning my close and even my extended family to avoid HP and, to a lesser extent, canon printer. I advise them to save that a little bit of money for a brother or Epson monochrome laser printer.

@@flyq7470or don’t buy an HP printer

Better Call Saul

I did similar. Bought a used colour laser Lexmark for £30 from Gumtree. I did need to replace the toners after a short while which set me back a fair amount, but I know that the toners will probably last me several years with the amount of printing I actually do at home

Basically the same, but I asked for the most basic Brother B&W laser printer that could connect via LAN and WiFi. It's never failed, very rarely jams, and the sample toner lasts thousands of pages. I have a bigger one from work, jams a bit more often and eats Chinese toner every few months.

@@aboutwhat1930 I bought a Brother B&W with Lan, USB, and Wifi my freshman year of college. Finishing grad school this year, never once had it fail to print or had to struggle with it. Only on my second toner cartridge after easily thousands of pages. If you don't need color, Brother is the best there is.

Brother printers are freakin tanks.

Legit point there. Heck when I was at school we used some printing house and it costed like 2euros for 50 pages in extremely good quality copies, ready to be filed with holes etc.

My school lets you print around 200 pages a year for free in their library. Not even accounting for the local public library that also lets you print around 5 pages a day for free. Which is available to everyone. Or simply going to staples, and doing multiple billboard sized prints for like $10.

Fair enough. But you have to go there every time. That's the thing, even in the 90s as we got our first printer at home, you lost. The printer costs you back in time like 500 bucks. And the bloody ink was already very expensive. I don't even want to mention all the troubles the printers made back in time. To keep them running was almost a full-time job.

@@mcgeufer it sounds like printers were way worse but you would think that with the advancements in computers and standards we got over the years printing would be as easy as pressing the button, but now there are so many extra steps to it that you have to pray every time you want to print a sad little document.

@@snil4Well, I do agree, Printers did not evolve as much as a lot of other techs. They just stayed pretty terrible. At least in general, some models from Brother seem to be decent.

Yeah, I bought a used Brother laser at Goodwill for $8. Drum came 95% full. Used it for 10 years, still works. I bought a wireless one for $100 just for convenience, also works great. Zero issues.

I was so glad I managed to salvage my old b&w Brother laser with scanner from electronic waste as I wanted color printer at work. Got shitty HP laser that is buggy as hell. I think that Brother printer will be last printer I've ever get to home as it still has consumables in good state. It just works. Not like the flashy color touchscreen HP junk I now have 🙂 Luckily I don't have to print too much at work. Even then I many times go to office Brother laser printer as it is just so much more reliable. Insane stupid things in that HP like it just states after 10 page print that it's "cleaning" and prints one blank page in between the rest. I could live with that, but the friggin junk loses that one page from document? How stupid that is?? Heck even their customer service was like "oh that's bizarre? Sorry we can't help you" 🤦😡

brother all the way. IT in my company, only brother. private the same (but ink)

I've had an HL-2270DW for years now. This little guy is a tank, and just powers out page after page. Drivers and compatibility have never been an issue. Brother apparently has excellent support for Linux, and setting it up there has sometimes been easier than my Windows PCs. It duplexes. Toner is dirt cheap compared to ink. It can be attached to a network. That article at the end might have been AI generated, but it was right by my experience. Get a Brother laser printer, stop playing around with inkjets. Maybe you need color if you have kids, but Black and White is good for 99.9% of what I've *needed* to print out.

My HP MF inkjet just died with a broken carriage gear after 2 years. Coincidentally, Enrique Lores just fired me as a customer at the same time for being a "bad investment". I bought a Brother MF laser and haven't looked back.

Don't buy a brother printer though. I got mine a few years ago and it smears black toner on all pages. Their solution was to replace the toner cartridge. After a week the problem happened again. This happened 3 times. They would not do anything else. It wasn't that cheap either

For those needing great graphics and the ability to print promotional things, Lexmark colour laser printers are where its at - their colour laser enterprise network printers support and print Pantone colours.

Brother this is what I do, I purposefully steer them away from HP (and Canon) when possible; Epson and Brother printers are the real MVPs for now esp if you just want "it works" printing on Windows/macOS/Linux.

Yeah we switched from hp to brother and canon.

Brother laser printers (historically) were among the few that allowed toner cartridge "reset" from the menus, basically allowing you to print until *you* decide the toner is empty! Shocking! :)

The comments are making me happy I bought a Brother printer a few years ago. It’s a bit thirst and a pain to set up initially but overall it’s been a great all-in-one device.

Dude brother is way better, don’t you just love it how you can just click print and it actually prints?? Like doesn’t require to login, say your login is incorrect, reset your password, finally login, printer won’t connect to the internet, finally get the printer to connect to the internet which you therefore have to login in again which it gives you another error. You finally have the printer connected to the internet and you press print, but it wasn’t from the HP app, so you launch it back up, and yet again you have to relogin. You relogin to find out the printer has lost connection. You painfully do the process again, just to release again that the while even both being connected there isn’t any communication and that the app kinda sucks on windows. You give up on trying to do it on the computer despite using a cable which is useless. You download the app just and sign in, the app doesn’t boot up correctly and makes you relogin. You finally log and have to email the document, then you have to give the Hp app access to files, you finally connect to the printer, and you send over the file. However you forgot to refill the paper. You refill the paper just for the printer to disconnect from the internet and bluetooth, you grab the printer, you smash the printer. You go to office depot, and you buy a brother

What about Canon

I have been deploying exclusively Brother printers at work for years now. Their management platform makes dealing with them SO much easier.

​@@seriessplayer62747I downright hate HP products. All of them, but especially printers. Your text reminded me of nice little incident at work. Printer had been used occasionally. I think I wanted to scan something and all of the sudden when launching program it updated itself without me even trying to do that. Well ok I can live with that. But then tried to open the scanning software it essentially wanted to suddenly register without possibility to skip the process. At that moment I was furious and almost ripped the cords of wanting to throw it in electronics waste. Luckily it was some "new" software, but old previous stuff was still there. But what kinds of morons do something like that to their customers? All of the sudden want to imply users that registering product is all of the sudden mandatory??? F that shiiit 😂

I will be too when we replace our printer.

For 7$ it's insane. It would make a LOT of sense if it carried the pages you didnt print from the previous month to the next and if it was like 3$.

I don’t even print 20 pages a year lmao

@@cozmo4694please dont even try to justify this

It's more than I need per year. But why would I spend £65 on printing every year, when I can buy a laser printer than lasts more than 3 years new for less than 3x the price, or second-hand for the same price?

my library offers to print 10 pages per day for free lol

I've been looking to replace my HP printer for like 3 years. I'm sick of it randomly not working on Windows until I delete it from printers & devices, and restarting my laptop. Colours are nice at least, scanner is very high resolution for £30 (though the colour reproduction is a joke) Looking to get an Epson Expression, like the one I recommended for my dad. It takes 3rd party cartridges without locking you out of features (think canon does that?), prints onto CDs (yes I still burn CDs) and it scans directly to OneDrive

Dont buy those hp product again, those idea should be punished

@@zakb7418 yeah, I switched to Brother recently and it has been a night-and-day difference. I’m never buying an HP product again

@@zakb7418 it sucks because I just got two laptops from them

Same here ! I threw away a brand new HP printer bc I couldn’t get it to work. Bought a cheaper printer and it works just fine

looks like some for Brother and a little for lazy tax. Still better than library or Office Depot rates lol.

Fr fr

or just a brother laser printer.

@@The_Georgi0 I've been seeing this "fr fr" stuff in lots of places in the past few weeks, but never before and no idea what it even is supposed to mean. Help a brother out?

@@kevykevTPAfr = “for real”. When someone says fr fr, it’s like saying “seriously”, or just like general agreement.

Printers are irrelevant in 2024, so never i guess

You print ~5 pages every day? That's weird, most people either print a crap ton or almost nothing.

@@pieterrossouw8596 He probably prints allot, then none in-between spaces of time.

Brother printers are wonderful, I sell a lot of printers, and the only time people buy new ones is when their drum wears out, and I cant convince them to buy a new drum instead of new printer.

I've had good luck with Brother. Lasted a few years. Anything is better than HP printers.

I've owned four Brother laser printers. I was happy with them until their driver started delivering toner pop-up ads. I will never buy another Brother printer.

Yup... I have one of those very same printers.. I used to buy/recommend HP, now I buy/recommend Brother.

I have a similar printer, it’s the best mono printer…

HP printers have been a scam in the past 10-15 years. The only way they are worth their money, is by buying a CISS(continuous ink supply system) contraption and adding it on to the printer, which comes with resettable chips.

Printers DO NOT NEED ANY connection to the internet... Fuck a printer that does need a connection.

Yup. Plus it’s worth spending the $100-200 for a black and white inkjet. Also they last years without leaking ever. if you need color and print a lot and quality photos a printer with those refillable ink bottles are great. Theyre admittidly like $200 but so cheap on ink and good quality no fuss

agreed

Mine stopped working after two years due to a scanner issue, and it blocks the screen so I can top up my ink now because the “ink is low”. I hate epson now. Cost me a fortune.

I have a L355, my dad bought it in 2014 after the ancient HP 810c he bought in the 1990s died and it still works. I still have around half of the 1 liter bottles of knockoff ink that I bought in 2016.

@@carlosdgutierrez6570 our old laser printer was also over a decade before we put it out of commission. Frankly we would buy name brand ink because why not the price wasn’t much more and unlike regular printers it didn’t leak. Now we have a xerox black and white. And besides it sometimes being a bit tricky with getting it to connect wirelessly the first time especially on windows 10 once it’s connected never any issues. Our old printer was an Epsom and it was good. Annoying it wouldn’t print automatically you had to hit the ok button and it would like turn on even more even though it was already turned on? It was a fairly common bug with it. I’ve found all laser printers are a pain in the ass to connect to over WiFi. Frankly the printers we buy are on sale laser jets usually an older model but still qualify. They’re also a bit jankier to get setup. But once it’s setup basically never an issue. And when there is an issue it’s very very easy to fix. This is less useful now with smartphone apps like genius scan being able to pdf scan 99.999% of the time but for ultra professional photo copies being able to scan and then print or copy the scan onto a usb card is a nice touch I keep a copy of my drivers license in my car done this way in case I forget say my wallet or if I want to have a card be copied very professionally maybe a health insurance or car insurance where appearances matter. We’ve had this one for at least 4 years and only about a year back replaced the starter pack of ink. And when I say starter it was like 1/4th the regular size and 1/8th to 1/16th the amount of pages as the bigger ones. Ink is pretty expensive it’s like $50-169 but my god do you get a lot of pages. Literally thousands and I do believe it. The one included was like 600 or 800 pages while the standard that costs $50 is 1,200. $100 is the high capacity and 3,000 pages. The extra high capacity is $169 but 6,000 pages. This is from xerox website I’m sure it can be found cheaper elsewhere. The ultra high capacity If I print 100 pages a month which is frankly a crap of pages that’s 5 years worth of ink. If I print a page a day so 30 a month that’s 16.67 years of ink. My god. Based on our average printing the 3,000 $100 one would last about 13-15 years. It’s insanity. Oh and the text it’s so crisp so clean. It looks like it’s professionally done not some cheap printer. Double sided too, very fast. Never needs cleaning or calibration holds tons of paper. And it only cost like $100. And given the included ink lasted for over 3 years and the quality it’s a deal. And these things seriously do last forever. You’ll probably have a new os that can’t recognize such an older printer long before the printer or ink goes bad. We actually print a surprisingly large amount of documents. Not like massive amounts but far more than most. While it can’t do color the text is very crisp and it’s a pretty fast. Funny enough windows 11 made it much better I think they really improved driver support with printers surprisingly enough. Also Bluetooth while still not the best is miles better on windows 11.

I have two brother printers one 12years old one newer with original ink tank cartridges from 2018 I print at least 100pages a month

Funny you say that, I actually still own a 3070a. Here in Germany they were one of these supermarket specials. :D Never bothed with official ink and also haven't really printed at home in years, but the scanner is still going.

I literally did this when I was at university, many moons ago. Printer out of ink? Chuck it and buy a new one for rather less than the cost of ink cartridges. E-waste? What's that?

I worked at a school and when the printer with the colored ink ran out, they would just buy a new one because it was cheaper than the ink. Eventually, they just stopped buying new ones and teachers haven’t had access to any printer with colored ink since… 😖

the goal was always only to produce money, they just kept pushing the boindary of what people would accept and that's how we ended up here. every person who's said "oh its not a big deal" to scummy, anti-consumer tactics is implicit in this as far as im concerned

​@@AdventEdgeblame the conglomeration of companies and microsoft to where we are at now

@@unpotatoedsalmonDon't forget the politicians and judges who ensured EULAs are legal and writing APIs to encrypted hardware is illegal.

Basically they want to stick in the 1800s technology okay maybe not literal 1800s, but think about the Amish for a second, they are stuck in the 1800s technology, they do not want to advance and they won't, well this company is roughly doing the exact same thing and they are more than likely to go bankrupt and die forever over such a stupid concept that we have long since surpassed.

@@unpotatoedsalmon It's almost as if the "free market" naturally tends to become consolidated into the hands of a few corporations.

Oops I printed it out with the wrong margins. -1

Initial investment $ + toner cost? Then divide that by 5000 . What does it come to?

@@BenState That would be 299 CAD + roughly 30 for no name toner... 0.06 per page I haven't checked the print statistics lately so it could be more pages

@@darkraven-666 model number?

@@BenStateBrother HL-5000D

i worked at OfficeMax like ten years ago and HP really pushed for us to prioritize their printers over everyone else. so we ended up selling a lot of HPs, but we also would end up selling a lot of Brothers based purely on "well if you want one thats simple and works, here you go". Brother doesnt need dumb gimmicks, advertising dollars, or strongarming customers into subscriptions to sell product; they just stand on business and get it done.

Newer ones are also OK from their office line up. Insanely much better than HP.

The new ones are crazy good too

Brother is starting to do some HP-esque things I’ve heard recently

I have a third hand brother printer that must be about 20 years old now- thing still works without issue. Incredible.

​@TheSaintsVEVO makes sense, brother was owned by Samsung printers when HP purchased them years ago. So brother has been an HP brand for 5+ years. It is suprising it did not change faster

​@@igobyozOh that sucks. Brother printers have been so good from my experience. One more reason to hate HP. Why do they ruin everything they do?

@@igobyozThey will boil the frog somewhat. HP will be their cash cow that they will advertise the most, and get chumps to buy it. And get brother engineering division to make their printers just in case, for the portion of the market occupied by the less naive people. If they will push it too far - people with some knowledge, and small businesses will just buy products from the competition. Hopefully, they won't just buy out competition. Again. 😂

yep and i will continue to give them my wallet for being this loyal to the customers.

That's so sad.

See if you can get them out or if they've gone past the trial period or whatever

@@Junebug89 I have tried to but they are not going to change they don't even print more than 20 a month so they see it as a good deal

Tell them it's a scam and that you can pay for 20 papers for less elsewhere then HP's shit new subscription plan by a margin mile.

In 6 months they'll have paid for a cheap printer from the store (which also comes with ink).

Interesting, thanks.

thank you maximizing shareholder value, for this atrocity

​@@SaltienceThe stupidest idea in the history of business

​@@andresmartinezramos7513not stupid, greedy.

Those words are synonomys ​@@UncleJemima

I like the added convenience you stated. Checking your ink levels breaks your brain.

We have FedEX. Yeah FedEX also does printing not just shipping.

In my town in Texas there used to be a print shop, mostly for photos but you can print regular documents too, but it shut down recently due to it being family owned and the owner getting too old to run it. It also didn’t help that the university library was right across the street, free printing for students

My router, an Asus, running the "freshtomato" firmware, has usb ports and the capability of plugging your usb printer connection and making the router be a print server. No RaspberryPi needed.

People who are not engineers or software developers can't just hook up a raspberry pi and bypass all the bullshit on a printer. You want to make some money? Set them up to be plug and play and just sell the raspberry pies to people

​@@joebrandon1730 i am kinda surprised that printerservers are not a thing anymore. I looked at multiple boxes 10-15 years ago, which brought Ethernet capabilities to usb printers and weirdly enough: they stopped. I don't think the market is there anymore, as every router has a usb port which is plug and play ;) But i think everybody can do this, if the explanation is good. The problem lies within the tech community not writing good documentation, not with the non-tech people.

@@joebrandon1730 sell lmfao, doing the cycle all over again

Sure does. I'm on Linux and just recently bought a Brother Laser. I plugged it in, clicked print, and 6 seconds later the page popped out.

@@CreativesucksI fucking love CUPS

The old HP lasers are great. The new ones are filled with bullshit like everything else coming out of modern day corporate America.