Vice sucks, but happy to watch your coverage here, Zack, cheers

Why did you even consider?

Yeah vice is trash bro lol. That’s the first thing I thought when I heard you say it. Someone else beat me to it.

who wants to see you deep throating the mic while trying to watch the documentary you put on for us?

What a rollercoaster coaster Pete. Stay healthy man. Mentally, Physically and Emotionally

Pete, I've followed you for a long time due to your honesty and transparency, and it's been great seeing you transition to being natural over the past few years. You've matured a lot and your perspective on fitness is so much more positive and forward thinking now. You've influenced me to do more cardio and focus on things other than getting big and strong at all costs.

I agree man I think a large reason many people don't wanna try and hop off TRT is because of the mental and physical effects from having very little test in your system. Its probably not fun going around and trying to live like that when using low dose TRT can make you feel normal. It also seems to vary alot on recovery of natural production from what it seems.

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@DCJayhawk57 Bro once you start taking PEDs you lose your natty card forever. The best you can do is say you've been lifting 5 years sober. Definitely good for him getting clean though, drugs always lead to a downward spiral, even if it takes decades

Or do gear in your 30s hehe

You are ahead of the curve thinking like this in your 30s. I'm about to be 44 and been training and competing naturally in powerlifting for about 8 years. I have a lifting associate who is mid fifties and I can tell he's struggled with the decision, but did the stats on how much more the roiding guys can lift in comparison and decided it's still not worth it, even as strongly competitive as he is. If the absolute most knowledgeable guys find it hard to juggle all the factors to try and do it safe/smart, the average punter does not have a chance.

After having kids, get in gear. If no kids, why not you should’ve been doing gear

same. i lift 120 tons per week 60 hour job week at 39 year old. and people laugh at vegan. oh well.. if being fit healthy ethical endurant strong for cheaper with 47 nutriment is funny. im extremly funny! hehe

@@AlejandroSanchez-pl6jw he's 30, there's no need for him to do gear.

I’m against everything except TRT. After I have children I’m blasting that shit 😂😂😂

I didn't take steroids until I was was 28. Been an athlete majority of my life. I enjoy lifting but had a knee injury from running. Fixed my knee injury. the depression after the first cycle was hell. Also I will attest to the the "addictiveness" of steroid use. That depression is so bad most would rather just run lower doses like what some call sports trt.

​@@trayyoutube"i am against drugs. Except a little bit of cocain. Just a small amount to make me feel good when i am older."

@@hiebrantsify coke is great lmao you’re barking up the wrong tree

​@@trayyoutubeThen you aren't "against drugs," that's two you are fine with.

Steroids suck. And its hard to get off them. And the health consequences are real and they are serious. I just didn't get it until I did it.

What if I told you it is the diet and that steroids allowed them to eat more of the things that negatively impact your health ?

@@agnidas5816 I would tell you that you are incorrect. LOL. It sounds like you either know little about them or you're trying to justify your usage of them. Steroids have an impact on many health markers outside of diet alone. I ate way less on-cycle in my early 20's and way healthier than other times in my life and I guarantee it was steroids that screwed up my liver values, cholesterol, blood pressure, etc. and it had nothing to do with my fairly low calorie chicken, broccoli, and rice diet that I ate every day. Sure, if you have a terrible diet, and are jamming in the calories on a constant bulk then yeah, it will be twice as bad for your health, but in many people's cases it's not their diet, but the drugs. In any case, its addictive to look good, feel confident & strong. Unfortunately, there are some very real consequences if you are reckless with your usage for too long. There are certainly safer ways to take them but in my opinion they are just a huge pain (figuratively and literally). I honestly hated every single shot I gave myself and out of the thousand shots over the years I have had plenty of bad shots/gear & side effects because of my use. For those that are on and want to be off of them. You can stop and recover....it just takes a bit of time depending on how long you've been on them. You will lose size but if you continue lifting and eating a good diet you wont lose all of them. Just deal with the slower, less dramatic gains, and train natural, because at some point in your life you'll want to come off of them and regardless of what you do you'll end up losing most of that muscle you built up in a short period of time. Especially so if your work outs drop off or stop completely like what tends to happen with many who use steroids and burn out at a young age.

The last thing you said sounds a bit like a cope and excuse given by someone who is addicted to steroids. Getting off steroids has "real, tangible, and severe" issues but alcohol doesn't... you can literally die, have seizures, and develop other serious medical issues from alcohol withdrawal and recovery--obviously every alcoholic can and will be healthier if they successfully get off drinking. Versus having low to very low testosterone for 6 months to a 1-2 years depending how long and hard you abused them. Just a perspective--I'd be curious for you to expand on what you mean.

​@@2o3iefGreat reply, I was thinking the same thing, you can literally die from quitting alcohol cold turkey if you drink enough.

i dont think you understand the withdrawals alcoholics can go through.. like that guy said, you can literally die. The "withdrawals" from steroids are just that your body may not produce as much testosterone

@@2o3ief 1-2 years of self inflicted almost garaunteed depression, in a population of people with already existing high mental health issue comorbidity is no joke.

Can’t imagine taking a shit without KZfaq either.

Same, that's plenty of strength for me (45). And maybe some calesthenics work after that for mobility sake

I am impressed. I'm 44 and have been doing 65 lb dumbbell bench for years. I'm good with that. I would like to add to my 75 lb OHP but if it took me 5 years to get to 100 lbs, I would be fine. These are 4 x 10, btw, not 1 rep max.@@K4R3N

Alex went absolutely bonkers on the title lol 😂

@@zacktelander Between that and Saucy Sulek on the thumbnail, I didn't know what to expect😂

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Telling a scared parent they're right to be scared is always the last thing I'd want to do. But I can't really tell you otherwise. I'm really, really young looking (and, if I can be immodest, do get taken for "enhanced" a lot) and kids are probably more frank in front of me and it seems every year I see kids who are younger, scrawnier, more "clean-cut" or even nerdy looking, talking about their PED use even more casually. I mean it was pretty bad when we were growing up, probably a lot worse than we'd like to remember. But I swear most of us talked about creatine with far more awe (remember that?) than these kids talk about tren. Keep as involved in your kid's life as your job permits, that's for sure!

Yeah woohoo you have a scholarschip, and you hve ton inject yourself with medicine for the rest of your life lol

As much as I’m happy that you got a path to a free education, this is just another reason I think sports scholarships shouldn’t be a thing.

@@maxk880you don’t have to inject your self for the rest of your life. Short term testicular atrophy doesn’t mean your testosterone production completely shuts down and with proper pct and use of hcg prior to pct and tapering down you can easily get natural production kick started and running again without a large drop as if you went cold turkey and your nuts had to wake them selves up.

@@maxk880 You are entitled to have an opinion on stuff, and by all means share it. Though when it comes at the expense of others, I would like to suggest you research the subject before making the comment. There are some unfortunate people I’m sure that have a one and done story where they never recovered, though I would imagine it’s rare as hens teeth.

Interesting I played college football Never took a single ped…… and I regret NOT taking peds It nearly killed me being so outgunned on the field. The gridiron at the high level is not kind to the weak And probably cost me a shot at the nfl Now as a recreational athelete…. You should never take peds Endangered you health to look good….rediculas

This is why, while they have their faults, I love the Starting Strength method and philosophy. It's all about being strong so when you're in your 60s/70s you can walk around and be functional and enjoy your life and not about focusing on your looks (although getting bigger is an awesome side product). Ever since I've been thinking about things more about that way I've felt a lot healthier mentally in general and actually seen a lot of strength and physique gains anyway.

Although that is completely good and mindful point, it won't reach (well, maybe it will if your client's fall into some category of smart mid-age people). Because a 20-year old guy, who just wants to be outstanding and feel invincible, wouldn't be impressed with a story of kayaking with grandkids in some 50 years. In my almost 40, frankly speaking, I still have to moderate my trainings not to push too hard, because slow an steady progress often feels like no progress at all and things get boring,

@@NeverKnowWhatHidden I find framing things around injury prevention and athletic capacity to be more appealing to younger clients for sure.

The word I think you're looking for here is.....function. You are 100% correct.

Yea forsure, you are describing all hard drug addicts too not just gearheads. Withdrawal is much harder than just staying on the drugs

That’s correct, you go cold turkey and your nuts have to wake them selves up again, you’re looking at a long drop off period with a lot of lost progress. It’s better to taper down, run a hcg and pct protocol to kick start them. You’ll reduce the amount you lose.

Well if u had to cheat with roids of course it will too hard mentally to have shit levels

hcg should help with that

I recently came off from heavy dosages to absolutely nothing. After 4 weeks I felt depressed. From 6 weeks onwards though I felt normal. Actually I feel a lot happier now than I was on cycle.

You can see that in the case of people who have achieved the highest levels of bodyweight training. It's great to be strong, mobile and healthy. Gym's another way, but minus steroids..

Oh dude i just noticed it! Fuck yeah morrwind

Good luck on making gains into your 50s.

No it's from the eating, steroids haven't changed at all since the 90s. You can take grams of shit and not even look like you lift if you don't eat and train

And not everyone gives a shit about living till 90 and being old, crippled and with all your friends dead...it's a sign of immaturity you'd think your idea of "health" is what everyone's should be. Some want to live like lions until 60-70 instead of withering away at 80-90

DC PUBLISH THAT BOOK YOU WROTE U CLOWN

I agree except aerobic sports aren't any different from strength sports. People looking for any tiny advantage sometimes see the risks of drug use as less important than winning. At the end of the day using drugs is a personal choice but the damage it does to the standards people set for themselves is really sad.

Can you still build decent strength lifting full body twice a week?

Is this real?

Very similar experience myself, I don't know maybe we're the outliers but I don't understand the hoopla about getting off and it being like a death sentence or something, sure you don't feel to hot for a month or two but that's about it, after that I've always felt just like I did before. Being 44yrs and like I said lived a similar lifestyle as you mentioned 🤷🏽

Yes sir 100% real. I´ve made youtube videos about my life before, you can watch them if you want :)@@mattmax8599 @ikiosan1 Yeah thats my experience too, I am 34 years old now. Out here feeling 23 tho lmao

Peter Bond’s excellent steroid research book (srs buy it if you have a passing interest) has a section on how PCT is one of those things people believe without there being any real evidence for it’s efficacy.

Damn, I did not know that! Def checking it out! Thank you for the recommendation :)@@PaulSteere

Also, with how easy it is to keep things sterile, it's absolutely disgusting when you hear about "dirty" gear. Some people really don't care about the well being of others.

@@mosesacevedo if they did care they probably wouldn't be cooking this stuff to begin with!

Just another perspective: telling people that getting back to natural function is "2 years of suffering" is sensational. Thousands of stories of people, in this comment section too, quitting cold turkey to no significant issues, or not running pcts without issues between multiple cycles. Yes, the longer and more significantly you abused the more likely you're going to suffer, but also much of that suffering is psychological--not to diminish that at all. If you were blasting over a gram of gear for years 800 is going to feel like suffering, but your body as well as your mental perspective will readjust. There is not a linear relationship between how you feel and your test levels. You know what its like to have absolutely crushed test. Unless your taking steroids your test fluctuates greatly, if you drink and stay up all night your test is now completely crushed, and yet its the lack of sleep and dehydration that in that moment are actually making you feel awful. Yes, being that low for prolonged periods of time is different. If you recovered your test to 500 and it was 600 naturally, you are not going to be able to track or pin anyway on how you feel to that difference. Similarly, a guy with a 400 test level who lifts, plays tennis 3x a week, and has a normal social life is going to feel way better on average than a dude who blasts gear, is big and strong but bad shape, etc etc. My test has dropped by about 200-300 points in the past couple years and I did not start at 800, because of some other medical issues I have. It's far from the thing most impacting my quality of life and although fixing those things will likely result in my test going up, if I started steroid right now, my quality of life would likely not meaningfully improve. And even if it did, it would also be completely transient and my baseline would adjust, and those mental gains would diminish greatly. Your body is relative and homeostatic. I can totally understand why someone who choose to "be on TRT for life" after using steroids, its basically free and you just got to pin a couple times a week. I would in that situation. But to say you basically cant get off TRT unless you want to suffer for years, is cope. And prematurely shutting a potential door for people to consider in their health and life because of a cope your addicted mind is telling you is not true or sound. Alcohol withdrawal can literally kill you, develop seizures and other serious medical problems, should we also not recover from alcoholism? I'm sure a lot of people who would have a higher quality of life because they hate pinning and spending money and just generally being on a therapy for the next 60 years of their lives, who could recover with relatively little complication don't because they've simply excluded that option from their mind. Give people information not dogma.

This is where HCG and proper PCT comes in huge and to be honest as long as you didn't have low test before steroids getting back in the normal range really isn't that hard to do for most people in a matter of weeks or months. Age, time on gear, genetics etc. play a factor but the body is incredibly resilient. I blasted and cruised for 5 years from ages 26-31 and recovered to normal test levels in 5 weeks with the help of HCG. It's really not hard to come off and it's more that people are afraid to lose strength and muscularity so they just stay on. I've met people that were forced to come off due to jail and prison without HCG or any PCT and they all recovered. Bottom line is almost always : if the cause of your low T is not pathological your HPTA will recover. Human's are resilient creatures.

@@2o3ief totally agree. people under estimate the resiliency of the human body when it comes to getting your test levels back. The 2 years suffering thing is ridiculous.

The thing is, you MIGHT be ok and get your natural production back, but it's not 100% guaranteed. There's a very real risk it won't come back, that risk goes up the younger you start.

@@Mikey__R Almost nothing in the physical world is "100% guaranteed" and "MIGHT" in this case is >99%. But, if there is no physiological reason for you to have low testosterone to begin with, there is also no physiological reason you won't regain normal test levels once the exogenous testosterone is removed, and quite quickly with proper PCT. The aphorism in the statement "the risk goes up the younger you start" is that the longer you are on: the longer you are masking what could be a natural physiologic reason for having low test. Put it simply if your body is capable of producing normal test levels it will with proper PCT. To be honest, all this stuff is really missing the point because steroids and TRT are DANGEROUS. BUT almost never because of the risk of not recovering to normal test levels. They are dangerous for multitudes of reasons like poor cardiovascular health, Ischemia, Thrombosis, Kidney, Liver, etc. Anyone who is decides not to take steroids because they think they won't be able to get back normal test levels is completely missing the point and almost always wrong.

Meanwhile, I am cruising around the void on my silver surf board. After absorbing the dark matter, channelling the power of the negative zone and wielding mjolnir.

@@stevenhewes1990 in the stadha of algiz, i intone the unnaccepted gandr of KLINGKLANG, the name of our united god in the chalkdusted universe. unaccepted by the non-neophytes, who have cigarette arms and legs of bone.

Every god and devil in this multiverse….? Your head is messed up dude.

@@timmysawdust193 poor me. you think the western idea of god and jesus was the first? christianity is a pretty young religion, compared to plenty others.

whats your bench bro

One example, to mention someone famous, would be Jay Cutler, who is 50 now, seems totally healthy, works out, looks insane and he seems very happy with his life.

It's because they don't talk about it in public bud. It's the Facebook effect, you don't want to present the negative aspects of your life to the public.

What kind of education do you need to make it properly? Like 2nd year biochem student? Not considering it, just curious.

@@buttlesschap if by making you mean making raws (the steroids themselves) then being pretty good at organic synthesis, if you just mean doing properly what that guy is doing, then fucking none, he probably just read/watched a couple of homebrew guides and bought some glassware. Also funny fact, the steroid/SARM precursors are usually much harder to source then straight raw steroid powder, tho there are some exceptions, some SARMs are made from a relatively common anti-androgen that is easy to source

Doesn't take that long to hit those numbers in terms of bodyweight ratios. I got 2x bodyweight squat and others from being untrained (only did minimal amount of weekly cardio before) within 3 years in my early/mid 20s at 180-200 lbs and the latter half of that I probably averaged 2 sessions/wk. I used Strong Lifts 5x5 until I got to about 1.7x bodyweight squat then just did whatever I felt like after that, no real programming or super strict diet besides no alcohol/smoking. After that, adding to PRs becomes a huge grind so I focused on cardio more (8-10 hrs weekly), dropped the body-weight back to 195 lbs while maintaining the lifts (stopped benching in favor of OHP tho). Feels way healthier now than grinding for absolute numbers (max body weight was 220 lbs but my ratios didnt go anywhere).

Tobi lad youre a bit of a genetic phenom. Its an inspiration to know those numbers are acheivable naturally but I dont think very many naturals would hit those numbers. Heck i know of some mates who are using who havent hit youre numbers. I guess they should have picked better parents lol.

Blasting steroids only increases your muscle by about 10-15%. So if you just train hard and smart you'll easily look way better than the guys on steroids. And you'll live longer, sleep better, have peace of mind. Really nobody should be on steroids. Even if you're trying to beat a powerlifting world record, even then steroids might be a bad choice, it probably is a bad choice because they increase strength but also make it harder to breathe, they can mess up your work capacity and cardiovascular health. And steroids anyway increase your likelihood of tearing a tendon or getting injured.

WHat the fuck bro get your shit figured out and you shouldn't tell people that lol.

You're not supposed to just quit testosterone cold turkey. You're supposed to use HCG and possibly a SERM in order to coax your balls into producing LH and FSH again. Ideally you'd be taking it alongside gear or trt from the start though so your nuts don't atrophy in the first place.

Dosage for trt most peiple only need 120mgwk- 180mg wk . 350 mg would put most people 2x above the highest natural production range

Yeah 350 is an actual cycle just not a crazy one man.