If this is a 3d game, I would be afraid of Zangief too

Conditioning is key.

Fantastic way to put it! This was insane

This comment deserves far more likes. JP was so scared to throw spikes cause those lvl 2 punishes were real

Loved standing there in Smash when I played that, so glad to see people doing that at a super pro level.

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​@josefernandez4423 To be fair, Reynald had it and let it go. All he had to do was press mp+mk after he landed cr.lp, and he would have won. Not that it takes anything away from Snake's W. But there is definitely a s**tload of timelines where Snake lost and the tier army decides Gief is the worst character in the game.

In a terrible match up no less

@@mappybc6097you talking like snake eyez wouldn’t beat you too

As someone generally gravitating towards zoners... correct.

I remember seeing a Marisa series once and you could see the intimidation in the later matches as she could just walk up and punch. This really reminds me of that.

This is very well said

big man throw people around is the main goal of us grappler players

They be doin' a lotta zoning for players within grabbing distance.

Low tier characters can be dominated. Yup they sure can

@@theknight0wl384 oh bruh my dumbass with my goofy ahh english just realised what i wrote 💀

You don't form your own army to fight for diferent nations of the world and secretly control the United States without being a legend. We're talking about that Snake, right?

@@Mene0 snake? SNAAAAAKE!?

@@nueat6 oh wait, you are so goddamn right

That Jp player will get shit on for a long time for this match.

The Test has been passed WITH HONORS!

As someone who loves the character, I'm with you, seeing a character who struggles in a matchup absolutely beat the shit out of his opponent is just 👌

I would agree....except it's Snake Eyez.

@@nawab256”that jp player” is reynald, an evo champ??? Why is it so hard to get respect from casuals lol

Not Snake Eyez, DRAGON EYEZ DRAGON EYEZ HAS RETURNED 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

​@RabidDogma he isnt playing a demon character

Snake eyes dominated with gief in sfv too.... Until he didnt

His kage was goated as well

It takes just as much endurance and energy to keep Gief away.

@@yomi_jeremy3964 Yep, and that's why the giefs who are successful manage to be so successful. (Admittedly, I wasn't very clear that I meant the opponent was being worn down in the original post. My bad) Any match with gief in it is an endurance match for both players, and the gief mains play a lot more games with gief in it so they've built up some endurance to work with.

@@kevingriffith6011 completely agree with you

I'd like to add that what separates a good grappler player from an amazing one is having the ability to gaslight your opponent into making bad decisions Getting into your opponents head is the biggest trademark of good grappler play

And don't forget the footsies. When Season V of SFV came out Daigo was training Ryu and and was stomped in a mirror match against Itazan.

Tier lists: perceived But I like your sentiment.

1000% THIS

"Low Tier? Who decided that?"

Not just the worst character but his worst matchup as well.

Snake is also an exception among exceptions, though.

Nah, SE is just cracked. Gief is still awful. His anti airs barely work as anti airs now. Lariat can't handle crossup and his level 1 only hits when the moons of Jupiter line up to form a pentagram shaped eclipse on the surfaces of Neptune.

@@krampusthestoryteller1416 I mean he wasn't in SF 5, if you're trying to say the balance has nothing to do with Gief being viable in SF 6. SE couldn't even play Gief in SF 5

@@rna151 Id rather fight JP over a Guile or Dhalsim, but it obviously depends on their playstyle

"Braindead pressure strategies" is rich coming from a gief abuser LMAO

@@Sharkofspace In 6, grapplers don't get oki off command grabs. They literally cannot have braindead pressure since they have no pressure after fulfilling their main goal. Meanwhile all the rushdown characters either get perfect timed dash or drive rush into 50/50 strike throw off of what feels like just about everything they do.

@@Mosan13 Gief does the same thing. SPD for 50% > DR > 50/50 strike throw except if he wins he gets the other half of your life. Or he can just lv3 to get skip a round.

@@Sharkofspace SPD doesn't do 50% what are you talking about lol. It does 2500 for the light version up to 3300 for the heavy. And pretty sure you can just back jump if they drive rush in and you'll be insanely safe. You might even be able to jab out of it. Pretty sure it also only reaches if you literally sit there a block, Gief's rush goes literally nowhere.

@@Mosan13 Then he presses a button and gets a full combo instead and you're back on the ground and have to guess again.

Double the drive gauge half the life. I’m here for it

@@goldenboy_808 he's been squishy since 4 lol, I'm all for it too

His raging demon wins to 2 rounds.

​@@dominator_md6295He's been squishy since way before SF4, I am pretty sure.

​@@SyRose901 since SF3 iirc.

100% THIS

On Hakan's case, he won on a good match in your favor. Snake's Gief won on a 9-1 match against him.

​@@al_zera "Hakan, one of the strongest characters when oiled up"

Couldn't agree more. Snake eyes is always a treat to watch and every match is a learning session. I shamelessly play Modern Zangief (I'm an MK gamer myself and SF6 is my first SF). I almost master with my modern gief and I love watching this man play. He is the pinnacle of the grappler archetype.

Good luck!

@@L16htW4rr10r Thanks! I still need to manage my frustration when I lose a lot, but I'm making progress, I'm bronze 3

Tip if you want, they never expect the empty jump into Critical Art combo.

I main Zangief, Guile, and do a tiny bit of Chun-Li. Let me tell you........Zangief is ALL about "patience" and taking as much punishment as possible, while you scare the shit out of your opponent and position yourself to begin the slaughter once you catch them slipping! It's just a lot of hits to get there lol.

The raw patience Snake exhibited in this match was utterly awe inspiring. I'm with Max on this one, Snake didn't win this because Gief just randomly has a good matchup against JP. Snake won this because raw patience, skill and conditioning was able to overcome a bad matchup. I'm not convinced it's a 7-3 matchup simply because I don't think those exist in SF6, but it sure af ain't better than 6-4 in JP's favor.

Like tier lists are built on statistical aggregate and work as general advice, of course the exception would be THE BIGGEST GRAPPLER BRAIN

@@webbowser8834this is what people don’t understand though, if you pick Zangief, you have to be patient, you’re signing yourself up to be patient. Yet most Gief players start taking unnecessary risks 10 seconds into the game.

It does exist if you count Dhalsim vs Zangief@@webbowser8834

@@webbowser8834 from top 16-8 anything can happend but i think top 6-3 it's decided most of the time by adaptation/control/luck. Reynald beat Snake in winners finals very easy and i think that was his doom he didnt took the game fast enough to adapt like Snake was doing at the end. And Snake did not only came with a better defense and a plan but also came 100% ready to bet it all on it after the semifinals with Nephew wich in my opinion was the best match overall with that all in bet from both players at the end.

All of the "low" tiers in sf6 force you to be better at the game.

Fully agree!

Common sense alotta of people lack .... Especially on twitter

I propose an alternate denjin charge (down, down+kick? different strengths? etc.) that can only be spent on hashogeki/shoryuken. This is great because Ryu can save it for big combos. And in addition he can charge it from fullscreen instead of dropping oki. Both while retaining the hadoken as an expendable pressure tool.

There's two changes I'd like to see for Denjin charge: First, let Ryu cancel directly from denjin charge into Hadoken/Hashogeki, kinda like Akuma's VS2 worked in Street Fighter 5. This would give him the same kind of mind-game that Guile gets with sonic blade, where Guile can throw sonic blade to bait you into thinking an enhanced sonic boom is coming, then flash kicking you as you jump. Second, make it so where only H and OD Hadoken can be Denjin Charged, so that Ryu players can still throw fireballs if they want to keep their Denjin charge, kinda like how let G use his level 2 specials while in level 3. I think these two changes would do a lot to make Denjin more usable, or at least give ryu players more options around Denjin to make it feel better to play with.

Of course he did. The game was brand new. People were still learning the game.

Far less toxic than LTG as well.

"You said snake eyes is low tier god? Mods, you know what to do. Get this worthless specimen out of my fuckin chat"

@@spencermcbride3881 GTAB

You saw it live? I watch it here, full knowing that he won and still my heart was pounding and i was like "omg pls win" and i wanted to him to win so badly cause 1: i dont like JP and 2: i like being on the side of the underdog. I barely know anything about tournaments and pros players, i might watch some fights from time to time. This Snakeye guy is one of the few pro players i know something about them cause from the day SF6 came his name pop all the time for SF6 and i like him a lot cause i like people who play the underdog char. and make them look cool, i too always play with those fighters, like Dahslim. To this day i don't think i ever face one, i dont know if the game dont match u with mirror matches or people on Diamond and below dont play him. Same was on Tekken 7 with Yoshimitsu. The reason am rambling so much is because the reason i dont watch Tournaments is any time i try to watch a game i always see pros play the meta char. and i dislike that, like people play the same over and over (for example SF6: Ken, JP\ T7: Akuma, Geese) ik they play them cause they try to use any means nessesary to win but.....its boring matches but this...this one was beyond words, the way he blocked, he reads, he checks the opponent was phenomenal on a match up that was unfair for him. It was pure skill and years of experience. Are there many moments like this in tournaments or its just rare case? If yes, can you help me of where to watch them. I dont mind if i can't watch them Live and watch them the next day as long there is no spoilers on titles and thumbnails. and what Grand Final "Reset" means? Also sorry for this long comment, words pouring out of my mind after i watch this game set lol.

It's really a shame he can't compete

I can only imagine it would be too much. He would be broken. 😅 😉

He has more immediate problems.

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there was actually a geif in top 8 of the japan world warrior. but that tournament didn't have as varied a top 8 as this one. 2 kens, 3 JP's, a cammy, a kimberly and a geif. honestly, the low tiers are out in force recently. Ryu, Geif, Kimberly and Dhalsim getting results

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