I have enjoyed watching this again. I am not surprised by the success and growth of the channel. This effort makes it clear how difficult it is to make a model of such engines. For example at what point in their life should it be based on and why? Maybe we should be grateful that manufacturers simply try to make models of them. There are so few of both of these. The models seem to me mostly to have only recently appeared (Perhaps Anthony you have helped this in a small way.). They are not helped by the limited information they have to work with and the need to make a profit. As a model railroad person I wish we had more examples which were both accurate and affordable. As well the necessary materials to make a convincing layout of the period would be wonderful.
@AnthonyDawsonHistory8 күн бұрын
Thank you verym uch. but the thing is, ALL the Hornby "era 1" models are completely wrong. Their model of Rocket is based on the 1979 replica which is inaccurate in several key details including having a steam dome. The coaches are based on replicas built in 1930 to run with Lion and whilst excellent models of the replicas are not accurate for the 1830s. Their model of Tiger is a complete fiction. We know exactly what Lion and Tiger looked like when they were operating, and it's not what either the preserved engine looks like to day which is the result of an ill-informed restoration in 1930, or the Hornby model of Tiger. Their goods stock for Era1 is atrocious, completely fictitious. It's not accurate at all. But they pass them off as being accurate. If they did the same with something like an LMS Black 5 or BR MK 1 coach and simply made them up or got them wrong there would be outrage, but because its "Era 1" everything is OK. Despite, you know, the models being compeltely and utterly wrong.
@stephenkayser31478 күн бұрын
Thank you Anthony for your reply - much appreciated. I was aware of most of this information mostly thanks to you and your work and also to others (e.g. Sam's Trains etc.). I very much agree the Hornby "Era 1" goods stock is "atrocious" and the engines could be greatly improved. It is my hope that if this era becomes more popular the effort at detail will improve though this would be difficult in some cases but not all due to the limits of research available. I would agree also if the same lack of attention to detail was applied to a well or not so well known engine or coach (eg Flying Scotsman, Mallard or Terrier tank engine) Hornby would be drawn and quartered. I have not bought the Hornby model of Tiger for the reason you stated. I also loved your Titfield Thunderbolt presentation.
@stephenkayser31479 күн бұрын
I have watched this before. It is a most enjoyable experience. Informative, detailed and certainly interesting due to the intriguing history of the engine. This time in the development of locomotives is incredible for its speed of development and variety of ideas. A certainly critical time in the development of transport and civilisation as we know it today.
@ethanmiller546913 күн бұрын
Would you be willing to talking about the first Norris locomotive
@user-yd9bj3bs8g22 күн бұрын
Remember this loco at both Chatterley Whitfield Museum and Foxfield Heritage Railway.
@Alzaar_The_Gunzel25 күн бұрын
As someone who lives in Victoria, it is interesting to see one of our products featured on this channel!
@HamStrains27 күн бұрын
In all your readings on railway history have you come across any data as to the impact the improvement on speed had on passenger numbers for the respective railways? Always wondered how much these rivalries and the publicity around these achievements really boosted the fortunes of those involved.
@sebastianthomsen222528 күн бұрын
😞👍🌠
@ruskinyruskiny161129 күн бұрын
Captin Dick was the 1st and greatest puffer maker of them all. A booze up with Captain Dick in Camborne would be a good trip on the first Time traveller machine probably be made in South Wales.
@WilliamSmith-zk4tjАй бұрын
1893 10 years before the Wright brothers not even a generation between the two
@marioxerxescastelancastro8019Ай бұрын
Use metric units.
@yvonnemjones8934Ай бұрын
My Great Great Grandfather built the Fire queen and the jenny lidd
@stephenkayser3147Ай бұрын
Anthony I have watched this effort before as I have with more than one of your impressively informative pieces of work. I am still learning and am amazed at your detail which I have not yet seen elsewhere, perhaps because of the distraction of fancy production or simply lack of detail - research - effort (which is more likely). I find it very hard to find information on the early engines and their creators apart from the famous ones. They deserve their notoriety but others deserve a slice of this cake too (for our understanding and appreciation), You in a way are their voice and our teacher. As a retired teacher I am impressed by your efforts for us. Keep up the great work. The shame for me is the very limited numbers of models for model rail modelers to enjoy. I do agree with Stephenson based on the information I know about Novelty.. You have added to this more than little.
@celticwoodworking87069 күн бұрын
Thank you, well said. As an American I am simply amazed at the history and the science that these men were able to harness. The astonishingly rapid development of the steam engine should be considered the equivalent of putting a man on the moon. The steam engine has certainly had more influence on mankind than the moon landing.
@glynvalleytramwaytrustАй бұрын
Sooner rather than later..... well, we have a long way to go yet, but this sure would be epic! Lovely stuff! 😁
@NJPurlingАй бұрын
As soon as I saw Odin I instantly thought 'Patentee', but then 'Where are the valve rods on the LH side?' Is this the last version with the 100 PSI boiler, and does the valve gear have adjustable cut-off.
@luca.vantstraatАй бұрын
We miss you man. Come back soon pls
@tonywright8294Ай бұрын
Excellent thanks
@yeoldeseawitchАй бұрын
I reccomend you cover "Josephine", a narrow gauge 0-4-4-0 double fairlie locomotive from New Zealand, and one of the oldest surviving engines in new zealand
@ttm2609Ай бұрын
No maori would of come up with this idea
@NJPurlingАй бұрын
The wheels have some ferocious wear. A working life of fifty years is amazing for such an early locomotive AND to stay original.
@NJPurlingАй бұрын
I wonder if the replica can be recommissioned for the 200th anniversary?
@maximike9182Ай бұрын
Hi Anthony, the Science Museum has an engraving of the Moorish Arch from Henry Booth, looking form the east towards the tunnels. Two passenger trains stand on the track towards Liverpool and one lonely small engine with a big flag on the parallel track. As the other Rainhill engines do not seem to match, is that Perseverance?
@Im_Politically_stupid_and_dumbАй бұрын
@AnthonyDawsonHistory I have a cool video idea that hasn’t really been talked on KZfaq that about the types locomotives you talk about. Do you want to hear it?
@tharii314Ай бұрын
Sounds like 60 RPM.
@huwpardoe581Ай бұрын
First time I, Bev Pardoe, have seen this. Well done Anthony.
@AnthonyDawsonHistoryАй бұрын
Thankyou, Bev. That means an awful lot! Do you fancy helping out with the design of an 0-4-0 version? There's also a 2-2-0 one being built in the Czech Republic!
@ivanthevaluable2559Ай бұрын
0:27 Yes, we really want you to "sed shome light" on Sans Pareil...
@inyobill2 ай бұрын
If my arithmetic is right, 60 mph on 8' drivers (~25' circumference) comes to about 200 RPM. Impressive enough to get those masses moving at those rates.
@inyobill2 ай бұрын
I am a huge fan of the British single-driver locomotives, so elegant. Of course, the design had not a chance on the rubbish American roads )not calling names, I'm native Californian).
@andrewhall25542 ай бұрын
I can't imagine what it was like for the crew to be running at speeds up to 60 MPH without a cab to shield them from the wind and weather.
@1991Shablya2 ай бұрын
Thanks for describing one of incredible pages of railway history!
@user-dh5eb1cx9e2 ай бұрын
50 psi, 8.5" piston diameter, 54" stroke length, at 5 mph with a wheel diameter of c.48" (based on the drawing key and visible gear ratios) means an engine speed of approximately 35 rpm, and a total estimated output power of 31 kW (42 HP). Damn. EDIT: If the wheel diameter was closer to 2.5' as shown in the second drawing, and the engine had "a few strokes per minute" as described, then the engine speed was likely closer to 90 rpm and the output power would be closer to 100 horsepower.
@bradleythomasburdentrainta3662 ай бұрын
Wouldn’t Twin Sisters have technically been the first loco to be fitted with a double chimney?
@AnthonyDawsonHistoryАй бұрын
Alas not because it also had two boiles. A Double Chimney is where two chimneys, and a double or multi-jet blastpipe is fitted to the one boiler.
@bradleythomasburdentrainta366Ай бұрын
@@AnthonyDawsonHistory Oh. Nvm.
@inyobill2 ай бұрын
5.5 ton axel load on rails designed max 4t? Did they decide the rails could actually handle more?
@samulrich90112 ай бұрын
Guess railfans can't have nice things across the pond, either. Progress: forgetting where you came from.
@Diger65Line2 ай бұрын
I love the video's Andrew, please keep them coming. Lion captures the history of an age and while it might not be the Lion built in 1838, it is the Lion named in 1924 and for the last hundred years it's been a part of our history, and so we should perhaps settle for the know fact that this engine may not be the original Lion but it certainly is an engine called Lion which commemorates an age of innovation and of skills which is lost today.
@HamStrains2 ай бұрын
We could revisit the very idea of who invented the railway locomotive and look into John Fitch and the claims and evidence around his small working model. If we permit the claim of the Aeolipile the claim of the first steam engine with caveats around it having a use beyond interesting novelty then we may depending on what has or hasn't been established need to provide the same acknowledgement towards Fitch over his model.
@AnthonyDawsonHistoryАй бұрын
The Fitch model first appeared, together with the story in the 1870s. The model is in fact of a steam dredger, it's not a railway locomotive. :-)
@HamStrainsАй бұрын
@@AnthonyDawsonHistory it's still mentioned in many quarters as a locomotive. I must admit when I first heard it a few years back I sort of disregarded it as being a wild claim and your word is good enough for me to continue to do so but there's maybe a video in it to again highlight how things can so easily be misrepresented, wrong or just made up about the past
@WilliamSmith-zk4tj2 ай бұрын
He didn't understand heavy steam and how to achieve it the burner box and the boiler everything has to be well-balanced or Bang I don't think he understood this concept of surface area and what that had to do with the boiler on the rocket and he may have just run out of money with no supporters once the rocket opened up in the line and the phenomenon of people wishing to ride
@WilliamSmith-zk4tj2 ай бұрын
I hope they remembered the rocket
@WilliamSmith-zk4tj2 ай бұрын
60 PSI that was a great accomplishment listen to average steam engine if you could get 10 psi you were a genius
@kholden26783 ай бұрын
During his time at the North Staffordshire Railway as locomotive superintendent, John Longbottom knew their chief engineer George James Crosbie Dawson who was my 2nd cousin 4x removed. The North Staffordshire Railway Study Group published an article in Journal 51 written by Mike Fell detailing George’s life. I was able to assist him with files from my genealogy research. There are great photos of the railway and men involved along with a lot of detail on the railway. Included in this article on page 6 is a photo of the officers of the North Staffordshire Railway taken in 1899 which includes George Dawson and John Longbottom.
@kholden26783 ай бұрын
During his time at the North Staffordshire Railway as locomotive superintendent, John Henry Adams would have known their chief engineer George James Crosbie Dawson who was my 2nd cousin 4x removed. The North Staffordshire Railway Study Group published an article in Journal 51 written by Mike Fell detailing George’s life. I was able to assist him with files from my genealogy research. There are great photos of the railway and men involved along with a lot of detail on the railway.
@nateharder22863 ай бұрын
OH MY GOD, SHE'S SO CUTE!!!
@giliarmson72933 ай бұрын
One of the best videos of the topic....and I've seen a lot. Great pics !
@screwdriver51813 ай бұрын
Brilliant and educational.
@who-gives-a-toss_Bear3 ай бұрын
Brilliant video, shame i'm a little late for the feedback.
@TheTrainMaster153 ай бұрын
If the loco we know as Lion now has been known as such for longer than the original, then I think it’s valid to say this loco is more Lion than Lion
@BassandoForte3 ай бұрын
Steam Saxophone or clarinet... Trumpets use the vibration of the brass of the mouthpiece, not a weed which woodwind uses... 👍
@AnthonyDawsonHistory3 ай бұрын
An organ Trumpet stop, as explained in the video, uses a vibrating brass reed to make its note. The brass reed is held in what's called a shallot by a small wooden wedge. That in turn is inserted in a 'boot' and the resulting note is given tone and focus by a conical resonator. Which is how the 'Steam Trumpet' worked, steam vibrated a reed which was focused by the conical resonator. Have a nice day 🙂
@BassandoForte3 ай бұрын
@@AnthonyDawsonHistory - Yeah but it's a slight misnomer as reeds are usually associated with woodwind... I think this is a case of parlance lol... Loving your vids and looking forward to you making loads more... 👍👍
@AnthonyDawsonHistory3 ай бұрын
@@BassandoForteBelieve me, from my experience "reeds" encomposses anything which isn't a flue - Oboe, Clarinet, Tromba, Trombone, Trumpet, Cornopean and Tubas! All the fun stuff. Flues are your Diapasons, Flutes and Strings.
@BassandoForte3 ай бұрын
@@AnthonyDawsonHistory - Played in a few brass bands and we tend to call them "mouthpiece" - As I said I think its a case of parlance... But this doesn't at all take from the point you're trying to make - Im just being slightly pedantic... 🤣👍 There must be some fascinating links between early railways and music - Perhaps a line of new videos for you to pursue... 👍👍
@robertbalazslorincz82184 ай бұрын
If I saw this thing in a museum I would -go pale -get goosebumps -achieve triple the blood pressure of an average infant -stop breathing for a few seconds -start yelling obscenities at it in that order
@RichardLamin-pm6hg4 ай бұрын
It’s interesting how steam power and railways might have developed in France, given the presence of pioneers such as Cugnot and Seguin, had conditions been more suitable. Perhaps they could have developed the steam railway before us!