Christian is love thy naigbor ! Not to judge them ! To do otherwise is doing satans biding .it is not your job to judge if anything your job is to Educate others on reliegon. And not pass judgement on others beliefes. Organized reiligon is becoming like orgainized crime !

We also need to deffend Democracy agaisnt Corruption in goverment from police to the presidentcy.as in Every body inbetween.take the dark money / big money out of ploitics. Make it against the law to recieve any thing but the wage the job pays. Other than Individual campain contrabutions. Only the with there name. And limit contrabutions. No bought eleted officials in and govermemt job. ❤

Should say organized reliegon ! That incompuses them all. 😊

How bizarre that a man feels the social pressure to have to state that he is a man before he can proceed with his comments.

Just discovered her today....what a wonderful peaceful interview. Thank you.

I’ve heard far too many critiques of Christian Nationalism that include anti-Jewish Christian dogma. It pervades our culture and no one is immune regardless of denomination, ethnicity, nationality or race.

How has Harris becoming the Democrat presidential candidate changed things?

The musician Darryl Davis spent the past 30 years talking with members of the KKK, convincing them to give up this hate and be peaceful. How can his approach to peace be expanded to how you communicate with authoritarian Christians, so they change their ways? I think of Jonah preaching to Nineveh. Who will take up his mantle for today? Or would it be better to disciple hundreds of Jonahs?

Billy Graham hosted crusades in Korea. I heard about South Korea, not much about North Korea or the time before their civil war. One thing I heard was Pyongyang was known as New Jerusalem because there were so many Christians. So what happened? Statistics show South Korea has a very low birth rate. Births outside marriage is extremely low. So from the outside it looks like the approach to have self control regarding sex outside marriage is fairly successful. This could be a legacy of American churches influencing them. How can they assist churches in the US and the churches here continue to influence them? There appears to be a shift from communism in former communist countries to authoritarian governments. Are we mistaken, has it always been authoritarianism and communist in name only? How does this affect how the west treats them?

I really appreciate this respectful discussion. I learned much from both speakers and their philosophies and callings. Thank you both.

Because they are white and white people don't like black people

President Bush said he was inspired by God to go to war in Iraq. There were no weapons of mass destruction. It might make a difference to know the real reason for going to war?

People researched the Russian Orthodox Church and say it is fully under control of Russia’s version of the KGB, the FSB. One of the things Putin did was unite the 2 parts of the ROC, the Red and the White divisions, which had been separately operating groups up to that point. So the idea a Christian group does not take its leadership from the Bible and from God has a precedent.

I enjoyed it his and NT Wright’s biographies style books on Paul

Nowhere in the history of civilizations has one group of people lifted up another different group of people equally to themselves! Christian or non Christian Faith without Good Works is NOTHING!

“It’s when people are prepared to gut the constitutional order, that it becomes a three alarm fire.. and they’re ‘borrowing’ ideas and strategies from overseas autocrats..!” -David Gushee

Christianity is the BEST..only when governments make laws about Spiritual Matters, problems do ensue..the American Constitution is very good, but being abused by some powerful people..the seeming weakness of the Christian Faith, lies its very strength..

This is just sad, esp when it started w the utter silliness of his pronouns.

To understand what's happening you just need to look at how fast this new authoritarian Christian nationalism came into place in the form of a corrupt party, candidate, and the platform Project 2025. This transformation of politics of a two-party democratic nation to the current authoritarian threat, happened in just 4 years. Should we be looking at ES&S and their affiliation with the Republican party, and past problems with their election equipment, in particular the DS200 ballot scanner with respect to firmware hash verification (see the Texas case). I mean what I am seeing, there is a brazeness in the actions of the Republicans and Maga, and of course Trump, around corruption, dictatorship, and Christian nationalism.

disagree with Eerdmans. Man, give up on evangelicals. Its a waste of time. There are other christian factions out there. Forget american charismatic christians. Go to the real believers in other areas of the world that care about holiness and sin.

the big problem here, is that Christianity was never meant to be he one and only truth. True sacred spiritual truth about God and his messages was to be for everyone. But the modern packaging of western civilization says that ONLY Christ and his death and resurrections and belief there of brings salvation. Then, you have to trust in the entire bible. Parts of this are okay, but parts of this are not okay. American "John Wayne" christianity was never going to work. With the invention of the internet, all the mistakes and problems with the bible and the ways phony christians lived their lives, became mainstream knowledge for millions of people to see, via the internet and KZfaq.

I think christianity and evangelicalism is DEAD. But, something needs re inventing. No the god and his message are somewhat still valid and true and 50% of the bible is truth and needed for this day and age. BUT IT WILL NOT be Evangelicalism that carries the torch of God's true message for salvation to mankind. The message needs re packaging and needs new teachers, explainers, preachers and missionaries, but not from the American christian church. They are gone. Christianity in America has morphed into something that the one, true God and his son and angels WILL NEVER SUPPORT. There will be no real revival like in Kentucky recently, unless their is true repentance and SEPARATION FROM politics. The remaining true spiritual people need to embrace THIRD POLITICAL PARTY that supports christian american family conservative values and NOT TRUMPism. this new bible and new truth will have to distant itself from the old testament. In fact, I am thinking of forming a new group of people who will carry this new understanding of Jesus' and God's message. The real TRUTH and real church of God SHOULD NEVER HAVE started in 10AD in the Roman Empire. the real truth should be for ALL PEOPLES and should have been available to even ancient people in far away lands long ago and to ancient pagans and the messages THAT THEIR GODS also brought to them , which yes, also had some good instructions and warnings like the bible did.

I am going to say something shocking. Since Trump is immoral and corrupt, what would have been the problem and loss to us, if we HAD elected Hillary instead? I now think we missed our opportunity to have a great woman president in Hilllary? I don't think she would have been the enemy of the Evangelicals. She sure would have managed the Pandemic a lot better. And she already had experience with foreign nations in negotiations.

If you believe that Lincoln was right to force the South to remain in the Union, then you believe in centrallized power, and not in democracy.

Don't Democrats want to run the country? Yes. Don't Republicans? Yes. Seems that these two are hoping Democrats have control. That would make their claim for democracy suspect.

Will the Left turn violent if Trump wins the election?

Dr. John Henrik Clarke said that both the Christians and the Muslims were both Narcissistic, male chauvinist, racist, genocidal death cults. I've never ever heard a more accurate description, that has stood the test of time through the ages

Learn how to talk coherently

Sick antichrist

Thank you for sharing this interview.

Thank you David and Kristin for this conversation. David, I appreciate your humour and gentle way of presenting information. I hope others learn to appreciate the value of personal contact with people who are not part of our subcultures but are vital to a full functioning democratic society.

GOD Bless ye sir.. ❤

What the emperor was and the greatness as it seems was rome that state of mind which once was is now Europe being england as its central where emperor once was. Matthew 5-23 Revelation 17 Revelation 18

Cure for being gay? A 10 year contract with a SSRI and a low dose benzo for the occasion.

Roman 1 Romans 13 He has but a short time Does it say that you can be gay? I mean literally go read I hope you ly with conviction

Thanks for video, my lecturer recommended this link from the Greek Orthodox School of Theology.

It goes to show you, just what the Bible says, 1st john chapter 5:43 though they had rejected him that they would accept someone else who would come in his own name.

Not one Greek word till now. It’s rediculously boring yuh hear boring. There are great sights that show real Greek this is plenty talk Greek Nodos point’s nothing Greek only talk about Greek bot no Greek at all this is Greek for dummies ah mean DUMMIES

Yes David very well said like popping mushrooms in the field. I always like on them to the lollipop kids on The wizard of Oz but poisonous mushrooms in between the field of popping mushrooms. I laugh out loud but I pray 🙏😇🏳️‍🌈

I'm reading A Brief History of Sunday in a book club, and it's excellent

I don't think evangelicalism ever lost anyone that didn't really and truly believe those points. I think it's more that they want to cram their beliefs down everyone else's throats and just cannot allow us to think the way we think and live the way we live. I think it's the fact that they aren't getting their way and they're just overtaking everybody's life to be the way THEY want life to be.

It isn't just Trump's character, although he is the worst by giving the other horrible people permission to do what they really want to do deep down. I mean look at Stephen Miller, he's straight out of a horror movie. I think he could make more money in Hollywood being the scariest of all characters ever to have graced the silver screen.

"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years. These nations have progressed through this sequence: From bondage to spiritual faith; From spiritual faith to great courage; From courage to liberty; From liberty to abundance; From abundance to selfishness; From selfishness to apathy; From apathy to dependence; From dependence back into bondage.

Erdougon in Turkey just got voted out That's a good sign and they say that authoritarianism is out and they said that orbin is next. That's what they said. Who's they all the people on the message board in Turkey.

You're exactly right about that analogie. Authoritarians; end the game and start a new one😢

The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God. That was us gay people LGBT rainbow children crying out in the desert and David Gushee like some kind of hero angel popped out of the internet and popped up just at the time just at the right time I thank God for you David and Kristen 🙏😇🌈

But David I might add that when Jerry Falwell and oral Robertson all them building those Christian schools were in defiance of segregation and so therefore they created those schools and then you have every school all these universities now have oath You have to take a pledge before you can come in them and as a gay person well I'm not welcome nowhere so how Democratic really was it It wasn't from gay eyes it was always red alert That's why I follow Jimmy Carter but I thank y'all and y'all are saving democracy It doesn't matter how you get here You're here now. 😮😅😊

It’s Christian THEOCRACY!! It has nothing to do with nationalism so stop calling it that. Call it what it is, Christian THEOCRACY. They are Christian THEOCRATS. Call them what they are. Stop calling them what they want you to call them, it plays into their hands, you’re being duped when you use their language. Christian THEOCRACY!

I get the motivation behind the question about how to interact on a level playing field with Christians who are more focused on eternal/ethereal issues. It's funny because I think David Gushee's disagreement is well-founded and accurate, so how can both be true? My amateur answer is influenced by Daniel Hummel's book The Rise and Fall of Dispensationalism. I think there are still strong vestiges of "Left Behind" thinking in our collective imagination and when it's more convenient to focus on "saving the soul" vs "tending to physical needs" folks can easily revert to the former. And then dance back and forth as it suits them. Hummel mentioned that Tim LaHaye concocted a new eschatological facet, where Christians can play a role in holding back the coming judgment, which went hand in glove with the Moral Majority. It reminds me of how Hitler's scapegoat had to be simultaneously weak and powerful - powerful enough to be perceived as a threat by aryans, yet weak enough for Hitler to subdue. I'd be interested to hear if anyone else understands/sees it this way.

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