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@@PLANETWATERMELONaccording to other reviews and the website, there is.

@@Echom4-kr5el According to my customers I haven’t had anyone mention it and they usually are not shy to say something. 🤣

Vongo is neutral stability and the 860 is got more durable stability on the medial side to give better durability for pronation.

@@PLANETWATERMELON The 860 V14 has lost a lot of the support on the medial side compared to the last 13 versions of it.

@@ck346 Not in my findings. The wider platform and the plastic frame running throughout the shoe has shown to be very solid.

@@PLANETWATERMELON glad they work for you. I’ve used them for the past 13 versions with no issues. This new version does not work at all for me or lots of people I run with. They just have lost a lot of support and the softness makes them no where near as stable. A friend of my is a podiatrist and she no longer recommends the 860 anymore.

Sorry, but the arch has zero to do with the stability of a shoe. The arch is support and really fit. If you want a more fitted arch support then add an insole that will give much better support in the arch and will be consistent from shoe to shoe. 🍉

@@PLANETWATERMELON If you have no arch support and it's soft under the arch, then you have a shoe that used to be stable that is no longer stable for some people. Shoes have different type of stability mechanisms. New Balance screwed up the 860V14 so bad the 880 is now firmer and feels more stable which is supposed to be a neutral shoe.

@@ck346 Again not for my experience especially compared to the 880. Not even close in my testings with runners and walkers. Based on my analysis the torsional control of the 860 is profoundly much more resistant to torque created by the clients body weight and collapsing joints of their feet and ankle. Note that shoes like 860 and other stability models have proven little to no difference to preventing injuries. The stability features simply provide durability compared to none stability featured shoe models (in most cases) and not prevention of injuries until the comparable models had several hundreds of miles in which the stability featured models had stayed better shape and not torqued inward. Hope that clarified my point.

Yes!

No need to worry. The 860 has an 8mm drop, the Congo has the 6mm drop. 8mm isn't too bad and you can add an insole or thin heel pad under the insole of the shoe. 🍉

first choices, New Balance SC Trainer or the Hoka Bondi X (if you can still find them). Then, distant second choices would be New Balance SC Elite 4, Hoka Rocket X, or Nike Alphafly with some form of an insert to make these shoes slightly more stable. I hope this helps you with your question.

I'd think the Glycerin 21 GTS to be slightly more stable whne runninng fast as the DNA Loft midsole material reacts to the speed of the runner. The Omni will be firm when it is new, but as you put in the miles, the shoe will become softer and less stable over time. I hope this helps you with your question.

Thank you for the great question regarding the difference of stability between the Cumulus and the Nimbus. I would say the Nimbus to be slightly more stable and durable. They (the Nimbus) have a thicker, wider midsole, and your foot sits down into the sculpted shape, which gives a nice plush platform underfoot. The Cumulus will be lighter and more responsive underfoot. I hope this helps. Thanks again for the question.

Very helpful! Thank you!

There's no height change from version 25 to 26 (they're 37.5 in the heel and 29.5 under the forefoot). There is added midsole width under the arch of shoe, giving version 26 a more stable platform. Hope this answers your question

@@RunnersCorner2024yes thank you!

The Gt has noticeable stability in the heel and midfoot and more flexible in the forefoot with no rocker.

The GT 2000 is considered a stability shoe, and the Cumulus is a neutral shoe. If we were to use a scale of 1-to-10 and "5" out of "10," it is a neutral amount of control right in the middle. Any number above 5 would have some degree of stability or pronation control. The Cumulus, is a 5 out of 10 and the Gt 2000, is a 7 out of 10. I hope this helps.

@@Echom4-kr5elGood information. Much better than I see in most reviews. And, to the point.

@@RunnersCorner2024Like your reviews, this is very helpful. Thanks again.

Also, the use of a scale in your reply was very helpful. If you could use that for stability shoe reviews, that would be helpful. That really helps clear up any expectations regarding stability levels of a "stability" shoe. You guys are great.

I would say it’s a bit to light and not enough support as a walking shoe. new Balance has some great options if that’s what your looking for

Thank you for watching

Yes, the fit of the forefoot on the new 880 v14s. If you've worn a D width in version 13, then continue with the same width in version 14.

Good evening Saucony Echelon 9 would be our suggestion

im normally a D width female shoe wearer and i felt the 880 14 were actually TOO wide for my feet..

Thank you for reaching out with the cross-country footwear question. Congratulations on being invited to compete in the XC County Championships, and yes, she'll really appreciate going to a lightweight shoe with the addition of spikes for traction. I'd suggest looking for either the XC spikes or long-distance spikes as both of these will have some of a midsole for a small amount of cushioning. Depending on the actual conditions on the day, she may want to have a few different lengths of spikes to use as well. The spikes/shoes normally come with a set of 7 mm spikes and a wrench for inserting or removal of the spikes. If she doesn't have any time to practice one or two short workouts before the race. Then, just go with the 7 mm spikes and stretch her calves, and Achilles well after her pre-race warm-up and after her race. If she's able to do a couple of workouts to get used to the new sense of grip, she may try two longer spikes at the toe of the spikes (especially if conditions are wet & muddy). I do not recommend long spikes under the ball of foot area as these are more likely to cause her to trip. For some suggested brands or models in the UK, try looking for women spikes as these will fit narrower than the men's or unisex spikes. Brooks Mach 19, or Draft XC, Nike Rival XC 6 (unisex), New Balance XC Seven (unisex), and Hoka Crescendo XC (unisex). To name a few. I hope this helps in your search and good luck to your daughter. Gord

@@RunnersCorner2024 hi, just wanted to say thank you so much for your help and apologies for the delay in replying. Several hours of Internet browsing later my daughter is a proud owner of a bright pink pair of Brooks XC shoes and travels for her race on the 15th of this month. Thanks again, I doubt we'd have worked it out without your help. 👍

@@Exnavrig67 best of luck 🤞 let us know how she does in the race

Thank you for watching and your kind words, run well

the ice grip in most cases is probably the best I have, the way the foam conforms to stuff really helps grip. I was dubious about not having a plate on a trail shoe but the 6s don't need it, the rubber is good stuff and keeps punctures down. I wish they did collabs between companies and they could put Saucony's flexible carbon plate in calderas. I am heavy and the 6 midsole is the perfect compromise between support and comfort imo.

Thank you for watching, let us know how you like yours in the comments. Run well

So, 2 months later...what are your impressions? What trails have you been doing? thanks!

@@dpbg the caldera 7 are a great choice for trails. I have been using them primarily on local trails in the Calgary area. Single track work and they give lots of support. This spring I’ll put them through the paces in the alpine near Banff and Canmore. The snow pack is a bit to high to use them right now but I’ll do a follow up video soon for my final thoughts. If your looking for a good tail shoe I’d recommend them

@@RunnersCorner2024 thank you!