Tactical combat requires effort on the part of the developer, Dragon Age Veilguard show just how little effort they put into the game.

guess i was looking like a clown hoping for a return to more orgins rpg mechanics like but with impovment. like i liked how some spells used mana while others took of some of your max to stay active.

Fallout 1 & 2 is S+. If you can past the old Isometric clank then you will realise it is up their with vampire masquerade. Mind I suggest new players play (Fallout new Vegas) as I can understand the lock out of the classic fallout games as they are not forgiving to player that don't know what they are doing.

We like complex systems... so long as it's not as complex and convoluted as rogue traders level up cluster bombs to the face

We didn't knew how good we had it back then.

Complex RPG systems aren't necessarily a good thing. Complexity isn't necessarily interesting or fun in itself. Everything becomes a calculation you have to do on a spreadsheet, which just takes more work. It's not that I'm too lazy or dumb to get a grasp on these systems; I just feel that they're artificially stiff for no good reason. The most basic things like having high DEX to dodge are meant to simulate your character dodging an attack, but now that technology has evolved beyond a tabletop game, having the player actually dodge himself affords the player more control over the outcome of the game. I cleared a good chunk of Dragon Age Origins on nightmare difficulty. Most of the time it felt incredibly unsatisfying to be a sitting duck and not be able to do anything but stand there and tank damage. You have such limited options to counter play and defend outside of either tanking or stunlocking. Having real time action elements is also not mutually exclusive with complexity either. You can have your complex RPG elements on top of the action gameplay. It remains to be seen whether or not Veilguard has that complexity. For instance, Final Fantasy VII Remake is a good example of this type of modernization that keeps the depth of its classic RPG system and has a good amount of strategy involved in its fights in addition to the react and dodge combat. I think it's a great thing that every Final Fantasy game innovates on its combat system, unlike western RPGs which have been to the same tired tabletop DnD rules for the last thirty years. So it's a good thing that Dragon Age has evolved over the years. There aren't that many games that combine real time combat (where you actually actively react and dodge) with a special ability pause menu. The system that Veilguard is proposing has the potential to provide WELL ROUNDED gameplay that's not too stats/spreadsheet heavy nor too reliant on Dark Souls-style boss pattern learning, rather than "DUMBED DOWN" gameplay. The danger is that the abilities aren't varied/impactful enough so then it becomes more of a straightforward action game, but that remains to be seen.

"war on RPGs" is such a hilariously over dramatic title. You don't make a 200 million dollar RPG and make it super complex, unless you want to set fire to your money. Larian is quite possibly an anomaly that won't be repeated any time soon. You can say that "there's an audience for it" all you want, but when big money is on the line, companies tend to be unwilling to take chances. They're not even happy when they earn back their spendings plus 20% on top. They'll whine about a project being a dissapointment if it didn't earn them every dollar in the world. I think it basically comes down to precedece: There is still a very shallow pool of evidence that complex, big budget RPGs can be huge successes, so it will continue to be considered risky. It's really just the same old AAA problem. People have understood this about mass market entertainment for decades. There's nothing new to say. Good thing smaller studios are here to save the day. I hear Skald is an awesome game.

There is a reason why I always seem to turn back to older games. Witcher 1, Stalker Shadow of Chernobyl and other old games. New games seems to be all about graphics and the apparence and ignoring the story, lore, gameplay and game mechanics. Not all new games but enough for me to barely buy any new games at all.

Gameplay looks like babysitting journalist mode like ff16 ☝️

To be fair, one of the reasons why developers move so hard towards action-adventure is that action adventure constantly gets more praise. Of The Witcher series, The Witcher 1 is the best RPG. The Witcher 3 is an action-adventure game with a visual novel component and is the most popular. Cyberpunk is an open world FPS with a visual novel component and did fairly well. Dragon Age Inquisition doubled the sales of Origins, and in that series only Origins is really an RPG. What we see time and again is that action-adventures simply sell better, as they are more approachable, more impactful, real time action is generally more fun, etc. Baldur's Gate 2, shocking, ruined the RPG genre, as it caused it to move from the Fallout-style "true RPG" where gameplay and narrative are weaved together, to... action-adventure with visual novel component. Baldur's Gate 2 set the mold for "RPGs" to follow - gameplay and narrative are separate, and gameplay choices either don't exist or don't matter, and the only relevant choices are the ones made during dialogues. Dragon Age Origins was the same. And by the way Dragon Age Origins was the Baldur's Gate 3 of its time - when it came out, that CRPG genre was legitimately dead. Mainly because the games weren't selling - Temple of Elemental Evil was basically a flop, Icewind Dale 2 was a flop, Van Buren got canceled, all of those games were flopping hard, because Final Fantasy was basically kicking their asses. Final Fantasy IX alone brought in higher revenue than the entire Baldur's Gate franchise did in its lifetime. It was more than quadruple the sales of Baldur's Gate 2, and even that was a flop compared to Final Fantasy VII's sales. In fact, Final Fantasy is why the original plans for Baldur's Gate 3 were canned and it was made into an expansion. Bioware had to face the realization that 3D and more action was where it was at - so they followed with NWN and KOTOR - both 3D, more action-oriented takes on a wastern-style RPG And now... all western publishers are having their asses kicked by Japanese action games. They see what's up. Every Japanese publisher is raising salaries as the western ones are forced to do layoffs to balance their stat sheets. The obtuse shallow complexity of the CRPGs of old needs to give ground to the deep simplicity of Elden Ring. Visual novels that don't star anime characters (i.e. The Witcher 3) are outdated and need to give way to me smacking Rathalos in the face. And western publishers don't know what to do, because they simply don't get it. Veilguard isn't the answer. Veilguard looks like a live service flop, even when it's not going to be one. They simply don't know what they're doing. The Witcher series holds all the answers you may want. Everyone saw what that series did and where its successes lie. Anyone who thinks The Witcher 3 is an RPG at all is the problem.

We both have a perspective on RPGs that spans a similar length of time, but I still don't agree. Action combat can be argued to be more immersive and realistic, and therefore more conducive to role-playing than tactical combat, which is more of a strategy system. Crafting, for example, became popularized in MMORPGs where it served as filler content and a grind to retain player engagement. Complexity or slow-paced systems don't inherently enhance role-playing focus, and streamlining for accessibility isn't a myth. BG3 is an outstanding game that offers excellent value for money, building upon the beloved legacy of its prequels and attracting a significant following among D&D fans, and thus it should not be held up as any definitive proof that debunks all myths. EA/Bioware are more nakedly motivated by short-term commercial success and ideology that has partially counteracted the former, while Larian has achieved success because they have built up a very good reputation as gamer-friendly over high production value deep RPGS that uniquely cater to a niche market. It is niche, but that doesn't mean that it can't expand.

Had the PS version. It had issues loading and eventually became unplayable. Was stuck on a level at athel loren if i remember right. A doomwheel would annihilate my entire army single handedly. Didnt matter what i threw at it hammerers with great weapons. Slayers that never wounded on worse than 4+. A treeman, my knights would charge it with lances. All would die

dragon age origin could be future of crpg

All the things trying to capitalize on the success of BG3 will also have stripped out mechanics, though. They'll try to ape the aesthetics, but actively resist the idea of making an RPG an actual RPG, even though gamers are so fucking hungry for that. See also: The industry thinking Dark Souls was a super niche thing until Elden Ring became a huge hit, then was followed by a bunch of shit-tier imitations calling themselves souls-like.

Honestly, if Ubisoft could make the game worlds, and Bioware could make the story in those worlds, that would be one hell of a combo lol.

So not just me than..? Loved BG1 & BG2. Wish these companies who stick a *Franchise sticker* over it and saying its a success. They lack good writing and the divinity games clearly showed this.

So, if I understand your points correctly, game devs don't actually hate RPGs... So called "old school" RPGs are victims of corporate mandates and the studios are forced to do what they can with what little resources they have. I feel that the title of the video and the way you talk about the issue are a bit inflammatory and doesn't take into account the context serrounding this whole franchise (and the whole industry frankly). The way I see it, there is no big conspiracies like game devs hating their fans or hating old school games. Most simply don't have the time or money required to produce, much less innovate, on what has come before. If we add the various decumented debacles with the Frostbite engine and the way complex systems simply don't trenslate well into multiplayer (an EA requirement for all games during the 2010s), we get a more complete picture for the Dragon Age identity crisis. As for Baldur's Gate 3, that game was an outlier because of Larian's unique corporate culture and the fact that their leadership are also developpers. One more thing. Even if we disregard all of the factors I've outlined (and all those that have been omitted for bevity), games that use old school systems are not inherently better or "more of an RPG" than those who don't. The're simply different games that are all part of a loose genre and as such, they should be judged by their own merits. If we start to deem a game "worthy" by the purity of its systems or by what it is not, we will always find it lacking. Anyway, thats my two cents. Thanks for reading ! =)

Loooooooved Pillars, if there was another I'd pre-order it.

You are right about the decline. David Gaider said it will take awhile before the influence of BG3 is felt. So basically 5 years from now is the earliest we can see if BG3 had an effect. Games already in development like Veilguard when BG3 came out won't be influenced by BG3 but games after that may. I said may . Some developers will resist changing as they feel BG3 was an anomaly.

DA4 is trash that much I clear I will still buy it and I will hate it.

Honestly, now I just want a remaster (NOT a remake) of Origins and for the Expedition 33 game to come out. What a disappointment. I'll wait to see if the story is worth diving into. If so, I'll pick it up, because I still like action RPGs. But it's not Dragon Age to me.

anything EA touches goes to trash bin, just in case you didn't notice

It sucks that rpgs have been getting shafted for the last decade by this logic of "it will not sell because its complex to play", however I just want vailguard to be well written and thats all honestly. Unfortunetely that does not seem to be the case judging from the marvel-esque dialogue form the preview.

Art style reminds you of Lies of P? In what sense? LOP is very eastern, and DA:V is very western. I think the comparison that comes to my mind more closely is like a hero shooter or even a more generic, less stylized version of Dishonored.

It's still an RPG, just not a tactical one

U be farming for days that you want

Non fuck hard core player miss this game less fun I will not be buying the new dlc 😤

All todays audience want is a game where you are allowed to choose who to fuck with and what deviancy should be applied

I hope they reboot this game

"Almost all tactical RPG elements from previous DA games" Ah, you mean the ones people barely used? The games post-Origins were nothing but action RPGs dressed in the decaying corpse of CRPG systems. For fucksake, the ONLY reason why you would ever switch from the protag to other characters is either to use a very specific skill or if the protag is dead. Honestly, I can't imagine why anyone would want them to cling onto archaic designs of the previous entries considering how raw they were EVEN at release and when they would simply not handle the completion from ACTUAL CRPGs, like Larian or Owlcat games.

Capitalism ruins everything it touches. The more Capitalism, the worse it gets. So when gaming went from a million dollar industry to a billion dollar one, it got worse - not better. Easily predictable.

The more I see and hear about this, the more I think I'm going to hate it. Personally, I liked Inquisition and Andromeda's open world. It's not really any worse than the one in Skyrim. I like revisiting places and checking if I missed something at my leisure, instead of chasing from one mission to another (which you were still able to do in both games if you chose to). I wasn't bothered with the loss of the strength/stamina/dexterity/magic point system. It never made that much sense to begin with. You were still limited to the character class you chose at the beginning and straying away to far from it with your points just created a weaker character. I felt pretty superfluous and arduous. But I wish that they had kept the combat action assignment from Origins, The one in Inquisition is just too limited and the companion AI sucks a lot of the time. If there is one thing I'd say BioWare is bad at, then it's not Open World's but companion AI during combat. Here I am, facing a giant, while Varric is trying to go Mano a Mano with the thing, Blackwall is threatening a bolder somewhere and Vivienne has gone off hunting critters in the distance. The art style looks terrible, it's not dragon age, the combat looks atrocious and only being able to bring two companions is plain dog shit. It's going to be DA level layouts with more colour, welcome back to a never ending series of the same tube shaped dungeons, now in technicolor.

This reaching for the largest audience thing is constantly screwed up by studios and game journos. A huge reason for this, in my opinion, is *THEIR* age groups and the demographics they associate most with. Ei. if you are a dev who lives in an ultra liberal area with a bunch of 20-35-year-old hipsters you are going to to think an excessively large portion of the population is LGBTQIAP+. We all know the 7% of the US is queer is a ludicrously high figure, but not to them, because 20% of the people they know may identify that way. Same goes for games. You ahve all of these 20 and 30-year-olds making games whose parents don't play AAA games all that often. Most of their parents are in their 40's and 50's, grew up conservative, worked hard, played sports, and took up different hobbies. On the other hand, move to a different area in the US where people grew up with a bit *LESS* money and a heck of a lot less ski trips and beach outings over the Summer and you might see 1 out of every 2 *FIFTY* year-olds playing games. I'm 49. I work 45-50 hours a week, have a 14-year-old son, lift weights 7-9 hours/wk, play basketball/walk/run another 7 hours or so weekly, and still get in 10-30 hours of PC gaming per week (over 450 hours in 2 runs of BG3 ;^). Literally everyone I grew up with who played games as a kid still does. We might only buy 3-5 games per year, but that's moreso because they have made it abundantly clear that straight guys are not the target audience...even if roughly 80% *OF $50+/Core/Competitive Multiplayer Gamers* are indeed men, the majority of whom are between 25 and 45. Avg gamer age is 38 (not including mobile) according to the NPD group, and that was in 2017, so I would assume it has gone up a little since then. Just looking at the sales of Baldur's Gate 3 should paint a pretty obvious picture that if you make games that appeal to people who have been playing sicne *before* Baldur's Gate 1 was released, we will buy the games, and oh my gosh, if you make the game look and sound good, younger players will fall in love with the titles too! The big problem for AAA publishers and devs is that games like that take a lot of writing talent. They take a lot of system design gifted individuals coming together as a team. They actually mean the companies *HAVE* to actually be inclusive in their story telling because the systems are integral to experiencing the story, and if 75% of gamers are paying attention to said story and realize they are being talked down to, as opposed to having their beliefs questioned they are instead being told they are just _bad_ it gets pretty off-putting. Writers have to start doing crazy things like keeping the lore straight, knowing the history and geography of the franchises they are building their game in (which the people at Bioware obviously do not which is made obvious by the racial demographics which simply do not track with what was established in DA 1 and 2 along with Gaider's 5K or so page DragonAge "Bible", but hey, who am I to let continuity come before all of these nifty racial and skin tone choices (I'm not white btw, which should not matter but needs to be stated before someone comes in with the _"Oh, poor straight white guy is threatened by people with a little melanin or Asian features...no, they should just fit the established skin tones of the areas, plain and simple; maybe they explain it by Tevinter using a mass breeding with slaves and conquered lands, but somehow I'm guessing it will just go overlooked and taken as the norm bc...*"The Message").* So this ends up being one giant cop out. A lot of dev teams don't want to put in the thought it takes to make a great RPG. A lot of studios know that deep RPG's don't make the best live services, but a single player action RPG that already has a combat system that appears pulled directly from an MMO might. I'm certainly not playing (A live service MMO ARPG-lite) but the $350-$500 bucks a year I spend on video games doesn't mean anything to them anyway. Why would it when there are generations of tikTok kids with no concept of money coming into their 20's now ready to buy games and dump into live services on a weekly basis? Yeah, except the one big flaw here? They need to have the latest console or semi-up to date PC. They have to have the money for the games or the disposable income to spend consistently on them. And, most importantly, they still have to be interested in the games, and this might be insane to think, but my son (14) and I like a lot of the same games. From Deus Ex (1, Human Rev and Man.Div.) to Madden to Baldur's Gate 3 to Skyrim to Descenders to CoD to Wrath of the Righteous. I'm all for cultivating the kids. We want our families to to keep doing things that had a positive impact on our lives which we also enjoyed, but to try to bring in a _"New Modern Audience"_ at the *complete* expense of the already built in fan base is *INSANE.* Do some real market research; did Pillar of Eternity or Divinity Original Sin 2 sell worse than bigger named titles because people did not want to play them, or because people didn't know they existed? Did people think they were dated because of the graphics? Would another $5M in production budget and $5M in promotion have added $20M in sales? $35M? An additional $100M for BG3 resulted in over $1B in sales, so again, the audience is still there, but they all weren't 35+. Who'd have thought? I mean if you make a really good CRPG with modern graphics, then promote it, you get the older fans and appeal to a younger _"modern"_ audience that actually *DOES EXIST.* Go figure.

Rpg just means roleplay game, it’s about the game being story based not about the combat systems, give the game a chance to actually be released or just say you hate it, you’re allowed to hate something for no reason

i think if developers could make a traditional RPG mechanics accessible, people would still play it, the problem is that most big devs are lazy, aliens dark descent feels like a natural evolution to a real time with pause CRPG, im so sick that everything is X COM now, baldurs gate was real time with pause, and the last one is another X COM, devs like 11 bit stuido also is awesome on making complex mechanic felt simple, dragon age goes? i think when you started something as one thing than you continue to do it as such, maybe add to it, but you dont just change format to things just so that dmb people would love it, thats just lazy, only japanese games does that, because their games suck ass... example FF 7 remake

this was such a good video! subbed! ✨

RPG games mostly appeal to white men, and thus must be destroyed like everything else white men enjoy, because racism and sexism is bad. Also RPGs allow player choice, and modern (((game devs))) hate player choice. Player choice allows room for a wrongthink. And (((THE MESSAGE))) can't handle people who do a wrongthink.

Modern games are so shieut :D ah unbelievable. Guys we need to become serious and just play normal games that is Indie are older games. The only triple A games I played in the last many many years are: RDR2, Borderlands 3, Anno 1800 and I am affraid that it might be it, it might be all, I didn't count BG3 I mean Larian isn't triple A. 3 games wow huh? Guys I repeat: Indie, older games and niche genres. I have started playing Age of Wonder 3 and wow is the game great. Strategy fantasy turn based gameplay with good qualities is what made late 90s and early 2000sso cool. If I would pick the best product from that time it would be Heroes of Might and Magic 3. A big ammont of content with dlc and infinite replayability and here we are now, Age of Wonders 3.

After terrible, zoomerified BG3 my expectations are non-existent

Am I right? I really think EA have misjudged completely what people want. Bonus points for anyone that gets the reference in thumbnail.

I liked the game back in thee day, but it was unpredictable how the dice would go. I might still have the box for it with thee book with all the monster stats in my basement. While I recall also playing Dark Omen my memories of that game is more shaky. To me Skaven talk like they do in this game more so than how they talk in Total War or Vermintide.

It'll never happen, but I wish we could experience EverQuest with the original 1999 client. The Titanium client is okay, but the original client was legendary.

This game is trash. It's even worse than D3

It is a disgrace that this is a Diablo game.

Dungeons are uninteresting.

It is super boring. Boring loot and too much affixes that are the same.

It wouldn't be so bad if the replacement was more obvious. Personally, I still want most of the sociability, character customization, and challenging group content of a MMO, I just can't vibe with the build metas, rotations, and community emphasis on efficiency over all else. So I should play... Umm... Maybe MonHun Wilds when it releases? Also, there is a third type of MMO content but it is highly dependent on the game itself having good systems: Challenge videos. OSRS has some crazy ones and I get some enjoyment from the odds and ends in other MMOs I don't play.

I missed out on the early MMOs as I was dirt poor (and still a teen). Got into WoW during the open beta and played for years. Haven't touched it in over a decade. Grind isn't my idea of a good time, neither is gear score. Neither are elitists that eat, drink, breathe and live a game. If you're trying to give me a schedule of 'play', it stops being play and becomes work. And you'd better pay me for that. EDIT: Decades to over a decade - it's been more then 10, less than 20 so ...

I'll happily play vanilla WoW until I die