We have it ready to test, but have a few other videos in the pipeline. Did you have any questions about the 420? I may be able to help :)

We hope to introduce hardness testing once we have the resource able to afford the testing equipment. Thanks for watching & your feedback

Might as well not bother locking your bike up at all

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The hammer testing that we conducted in this review targeted rivets since they're a weak point on folding locks. In one of our other reviews the metal around the rivet of the ABUS Bordo 6000 split, didn't completely fail, but showed why we target this area. Yes, I agree regarding prying; we've implemented this test into our more recent videos, so you'll see more of this moving forward! Thanks for watching:)

The locking nut slides into the outside of the locking mechanism, its the same across all of the foldylock models :)

This is the closest we have at the moment :) kzfaq.info/get/bejne/f9F-bMel1NHKl3k.html Stay tuned for more!

Yes good point, we now test with 42 & 24 inch cutters as standard. If 42 inch can’t cut a lock, folding cutters won’t work touch them. Really appreciate your feedback, always looking to improve our testing so if there’s anything else you’d like to see we’re all ears!

​@@bikelockwikiI think the brute force hammer attack is going to come directed at where the chain enters the lock, not at the sides as shown. The force may be pinpointed with a large drift at that junction. This will open some locks. The tools are still common unlike say a Ramset or a hydraulic nut splitter and other less common tools. Also I'd suggest a prying attack at the lock chain joining with the largest crowbars (used in pairs) that will fit. Sure there are other attack vectors like cold and drilling with special bits but I worry less about those. Trying better hacksaw blades is easy enough but most are using hardened chains and locks nowadays. It's easy to do though, the test I mean. Other than a few exceptional U type locks one has to accept grinder vulnerability with chains so I find myself more interested in the things I've mentioned especially brute Force applied at the lock chain junction. Prying is a lot quieter than hammering but both involve common tools, more common than giant bolt cutters and battery powered grinders. Battery powered drills are quite common though and maybe that's a worthy test with special bits? There's always something more like jacks...for some locks, situations... Some are resorting to chains like you tested and grinder resistant U locks as well... It's a rather sad arms race...

Video on the way, stay tuned.

That lock literally stinks! ;)

@@michaelkulman7095 Hahaha, true for the original lock! But the carbon doesn't use the vomit-inducing compound.

Thanks for your feedback, are there any other test methods you’d like to see?

@@bikelockwiki No, not really, you already have a good testing kit and methods. :)

Thanks for the feedback, all noted and will add the requested details to answer these questions tomorrow. Against a hack saw, not much would happen to either of these locks. We’ve conducted HSS tests in many of our videos, but most case hardened locks will resist, and it makes for relatively boring content so in this video I tried to some different test methods. Adding hardness measurements is something we plan on doing, but currently we don’t have the funding to afford a tabletop Rockwell hardness tester. I’ll add internal mech measurements tomorrow. Thanks again for watching, and for your critique, I continuously try to improve quality, helpfulness and entertainment value of our videos.

@@bikelockwiki Thanks for taking it in stride. This is of course constructive criticism, not personal. I talked about the saw test as a test for the level of hardness and quality of the metal. Good to hear that you are interested in looking into this more in depth in the future. The thing is that in Chinese locks sometimes cheap, weak and thin metal is used for different parts of the lock, and this is something you need to know. Appreciate your content and input.

@@bikelockwiki Sometimes the cylinder is not of good quality, which will create problems. Drilling can also be a problem.

Yep, after working in the industry for many years I understand all of the above, and yes some locking mechanisms are weaker than others. However drilling out a cylinder is not a popular method of attack, but we do include this in some of our videos. The Elite is a Sold Secure Diamond rated lock, and is a similar build to the OnGuard Pitbull, a very reliable lock.

A google of the lock name will show a few places where you can buy it 😀

Angle grinders will defeat almost all locks that don’t use grinder protection. Hence the release of the new generation of anti-grinder locks. We’re working on a review for these. Hold tight.

Sounds like a folding lock is ideal for your situation with the bikes! Might be worth one of the combination zip tie locks for your board. Although as you’re doing, placing it next to a much nicer board is a great way to protect it 😂 Thanks for watching

This is the same lock as the Foldylock Compact :)

Watch the full video on our channel and find out more :)

Glad you liked it!

This sounds like it could be true, but hardly any thieves use lockpicks on the street. It's easy to watch lockpicking videos and say, "These locks are easily pickable", but you've probably been watching professionals or people with many, many hours of picking experience and practice, a sacrifice bike thieves aren't typically willing to make. Power tools are quicker and require only two brain cells to operate.

Thanks for watching. Enjoy your new bike 😎

Sure, we can do that. Do you mean actual gps trackers or airtag alternatives for non-Apple users?

Which lock?

Thanks for watching

I’m not sure I understand. You mean they’d cut it with the plate standing vertically in the jaws of the cutters?

It's a test to determine how strong the internal mechanism housing is, locks that have thinner housing/weaker internals often fail here. It is not designed to open the lock. Always happy to listen to feedback and consider ways that we can improve testing, though, if you have any! :)

@@bikelockwiki that makes sense! Thanks,

@@MUSICALLY619 No problem, thanks for watching!

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Just tell them somebody has a weapon (the angle grinder, so technically you’re not lying) and is trying to steal your vehicle

Don't be fooled by how easy the pros make lockpicking look!

Interesting idea, it could be useful tech for a lock such as the Texlock. However, locks that destroy grinder discs are already on the market, which is step up from this in terms of security.

You couldn't cut a d lock with 42" bolt cutters 😂 wtf are the jaws made of mild steel?

@@boshboshbosh1 😂Don't underestimate the force needed to crop 14mm of hardened steel! 16mm is commonly considered "bolt cutter proof", so this wasn't far off.

@@bikelockwiki I've grown up around serious bike thiefs and I have seen and heard some superhuman shit bro don't underestimate a coked up white teenager with no money. They can and will break into anything at the prospect of a payday

@@boshboshbosh1 says the bloke who probably never worked a hard days work in his life

I'm glad you found it helpful. Thanks for watching. Which Foldylock did you go for?

The only way to 100% theft-proof your bike is to sell it yourself before it can be stolen... Only joking, thanks for watching!

Great choice, the 8278 is one of our favourite cheap bike locks, great value for such a secure lock.

Trying to dust off my algebra knowledge, it’s been some time 😅🤯 I don’t think this works if we try to estimate cutting times for the 16mm Kryptonite NY STD though using the data gathered here? Obviously it’s difficult to put a solid figure behind it when there are many uncontrollable factors at play.

Just getting set up so that we can test this in future videos. The commonly targeted weak point of folding locks has long been the rivets, (normally with bolt cutters) hence why we’ve seen so many upgrades to the rivet protection on the best folding locks.

Thanks for the feedback. I agree, bicycle security is an important topic that needs to be clearly explained without distraction. Glad you found this helpful.

3.5 seconds? Where’d you find that? Seems too quick to me. If you’re worried about an angle grinder, avoid folding locks and go for a grinder resistant lock such as the LITELOK X3 or the Hiplok D1000.

This is true, and even Seatylock don't mention it much.

That's a good point! Carrying two is going to be less awkward than other designs.