Foldylock Forever vs Abus Bordo Granit XPlus 6500 Review

Foldylock Forever vs Abus Bordo Granit XPlus 6500 Review | BikeLockWiki

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Product Price [Amazon]:
Foldylock Forever - (USA) - amzn.to/3pYRRyc (UK) - bit.ly/47xxcEW (EU) - bit.ly/48vw4To
ABUS 6500 - geni.us/F2h9BB
So, Seatylock have announced their newest and most secure addition to their lock arsenal - the Foldylock Forever. I was given pre-release hands-on experience with this lock, and in this review, I compare its features to the ABUS Bordo Granit X Plus 6500.
I also produced an individual review of the Foldylock Forever. You can watch that here: • Foldylock Forever Revi...
Disclaimer - Seatylock sponsored me to produce this content. However, the opinions and content expressed in this bike lock review are my own and come from years of experience working with the best bike locks and leading bicycle security brands.
For those interested in the facts and figures, below are the specs for the Folylock Forever and Bordo 6500.
Forever specs
Plate thickness: 6.5mm (Hardened steel)
Internal shackle dimensions: 12.2 x 25.2cm (4.8 x 9.9") - When fully extended, can be adjusted for securing multiple bikes etc
Collapsed dimensions: 6.8 x 20.4cm (2.7 x 8')
Weight:
1.77kg (3lb 14oz) - with mount
1.64kg (3lb 10oz) - without mount
Security rating: Sold Secure Gold
Bordo 6500 Specs
Plate thickness: 5.5mm (Hardened steel)
Internal shackle dimensions: 9.5 x 22.4cm (4.37 x 8.8") - When fully extended, can be adjusted for securing multiple bikes etc
Collapsed dimensions: 7.2 x 19.6cm (2.8 x 7.7')
Weight:
1.72kg (3lb 13oz) - with mount
1.58kg (3lb 8oz) - without mount
Security rating: Sold Secure Gold
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@bikelockwiki 9 ай бұрын

Feel free to share any feedback you have on my review procedure (I'll use it to improve future content). Thanks for watching! Here are links to the products featured in the review if you'd like to learn more [Amazon Affiliate Links]: - Foldylock Forever: amzn.to/3pYRRyc - ABUS Bordo 6500: geni.us/F2h9BB

@Brianms62 2 жыл бұрын

Personally, I take reviews that are "Sponsored" with a grain of salt. It's like a commercial.

@bikelockwiki 2 жыл бұрын

I really appreciate your feedback Brian! I marked this video as sponsored because I want to be transparent with my audience and was reimbursed by Seatylock for the time I spent producing this content. The opinions are my own, and if it helps I’m currently using the Foldylock Forever to secure my bike whilst out and about :)

@bikelockwiki 2 жыл бұрын

@@lamateurdetravaux Absolutely! I couldn't agree more. Over the coming weeks we'll be releasing reviews of several different locks. To begin with we've worked alongside Seatylock and will also be reviewing their Mason D lock and Viking chain. However we're also working on reviews of some of ABUS' best bike locks and other brands such as Altor and Hiplok, so stay tuned! Again, I appreciate your feedback!

@discy12345 2 жыл бұрын

It also doesn't help that you start with "the foldylock makes it the more secure choice". Setting an angle for the video, from the start to focus on benefits of the foldylock. Also comparing tests of the Abus by unaffiliated youtubers with in-house testing of seatylock. You should be able to imagine that if it would break, they would not make that video public. Instead, they may create a new vid. The tools and forced used can not be compared as such. To base your conclusion regarding regidity on in-house testing says a lot, even if you did not want it to. Instead it would have made more sense to talk about your personal experiences, and leave the security aspect out of it for lack of unbiased and comparible data. All the best!

@bikelockwiki 2 жыл бұрын

@@discy12345 Thanks for your feedback, I appricaite your critique and will bear all feedback in mind for future videos. Since producing this review I've begun testing the durability and security of locks myself, as I agree it's not good to rely on the manufacturer's in-house testing. Thanks again for your honest feedback, it's what I require to improve the quality of my content moving forwards, which is what I'm constantly aiming to do! Have a great weekend.

@discy12345 2 жыл бұрын

@@bikelockwiki Actually, sold secure already did the job for you. If you could get your hands on their data and notice substantial differences. Now that would have been interesting! Good weekend to you as well sir!

@MakiPavlidis Жыл бұрын

Great summary - thank you

@bikelockwiki Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

@a.w.thompson4001 5 ай бұрын

This was very interesting. Thank you.

@bikelockwiki 3 ай бұрын

Glad you found it helpful!

@bungee28 2 жыл бұрын

Glad you mentioned angle grinder attacks. I had to cut my foldylock (classic) recently due to a rusted locking cylinder and was surprised how easy it was for a small portable angle grinder to cut through the one of the arms. Not sure if either the Foldylock Forever or Abus Bordo would fair any better but it is a reminder not to leave you bike locked somewhere no one can keep an eye on. It only takes about a minute for an angle grinder to saw through the hardened steel, maybe a little longer for a thicker plate.

@bikelockwiki 2 жыл бұрын

The Forever uses 6.5mm plates, which means an extra 1.5mm of hardened steel, however the difference this will make when facing an angle grinder will be small. There isn't a folding lock out there that can defeat an angle grinder. I've put together several guides on my website that could be of help, from uncuttable bike locks to how to lock your bike properly. Thanks for watching.

@bungee28 2 жыл бұрын

@@bikelockwiki Thanks James. I checked out your website and see that you've listed the Foldylock Compact as the best folding bike lock. I own the Foldylock Clipster myself as well; which has the same security scale, circumference & weight as the Foldylock Compact. After seeing how an angle grinder makes short work of hardened steel, I don't plan to upgrade to a Foldylock Forever. I don't think the extra weight and price will make much difference to a bike thief armed with an angle grinder. I should correct my earlier comment that I had to cut my Seatylock Classic (not Foldylock Classic), which is essentially a 100cm Foldylock with a seat attached. I think Seatylock is one of the smartest bike locks designs out there. It stows the lock under your seat and ensures you always have a lock on you. It also does double duty in securing your bike and your bike seat. I like to think that the illusion of a 'missing' bike seat on my locked bike will also deter some bike thieves. Cheers.

@engineerncook6138 Жыл бұрын

@@bikelockwiki 6.5mm minus 5.5mm equal 1mm not 1.5mm difference.

@WillMahler 6 ай бұрын

Bummer having to cut that lock. A quick note- to ensure operation in the harshest conditions, ABUS tests their locks in a salt bath for weeks at a time. Defintley the route to go if you're lock is out in the elements all year long.

@dalol1202 2 жыл бұрын

I was searching for a good lock for my new E-Bike. After some research i decided to buy the ABUS, well this was before i saw this video...Next time(which i hope wont happen) im going for the Forever one. Thx for the nice vid.

@bikelockwiki 2 жыл бұрын

Glad you found this helpful! Don’t get me wrong, these are both top quality locks, but I’d take the Forever if I was looking for the most secure option. Best of luck!

@alkank9004 Жыл бұрын

fr this is me rn

@Happydaze2u 2 жыл бұрын

Great job. Thanks for the review.

@bikelockwiki 2 жыл бұрын

Glad you found it helpful, thanks for the feedback!

@dragosfokker9303 2 жыл бұрын

Very interesting. I hope the Lockpickinglawyer will test that other lock. I honestly thought that in terms of folding locks, Abus was the best but now I have doubts.

@bikelockwiki 2 жыл бұрын

I’d love to see what he think of it!

@gazmothedamaja 2 жыл бұрын

In the Seatylock lock attack video, it just cuts to show a broken nut splitter, but it doesn't show the moment the splitter supposedly falied. I think you'll find that this is marketing over honesty.

@bikelockwiki 2 жыл бұрын

I've seen the full video myself, and the splitter did fail. I'm currently setting up a workshop which will allow me to thoroughly test and attempt to destroy each lock in-house to expose any weaknesses.

@Theo-fb7kj 2 жыл бұрын

when will the lock like launch? cuz I was planning on buying the 6500 one by the first of February

@bikelockwiki 2 жыл бұрын

Should be launching on Kickstarter in February! You can sign up on the Seatylock website to receive updates. Best, James

@eseverance 2 жыл бұрын

Seems you have the 2 product's plate thickness specs backward in your notes. Is that correct?

@bikelockwiki 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for pointing this out! I’ve changed it now :)

@CarlosWilkie Жыл бұрын

I have 3 abus 6500 granit plus and have tried everything to break them and still cant get through them

@bikelockwiki Жыл бұрын

Awesome, what tools did you use? I still have my 6500, just prefer to use the Forever due to its increased plate thickness.

@VideoNOLA 2 жыл бұрын

Good luck finding any of those out-of-stock locks these days, especially from the folks at Foldylocks!

@bikelockwiki 2 жыл бұрын

It's a struggle for sure, the Forever is still yet to be released though (should launch on Kickstarter on May 10th at 10am EST), so you still have a chance. The innovation that smaller security companies bring is much needed, sadly they don't always have the budget to keep their products constantly in stock.

@SoCalKev 2 жыл бұрын

I use the ABUS Granit Extreme Series and the Kryptonite New York series.

@bikelockwiki 2 жыл бұрын

Awesome, good combo! How have you found your ABUS lock?

@SoCalKev 2 жыл бұрын

@@bikelockwiki Amazing checkout my bike lock videos please I learned from Hal Ruzal on how to properly lock up a bicycle.

@KresoCakija Жыл бұрын

Easy to use and install.

@elliotkoziel1631 9 күн бұрын

How do you unlock it? I keep turning the key without success

@NickDaddyPhx Жыл бұрын

Have you ever tested the Kyptonite Evolution 790 Folding Lock?

@bikelockwiki Жыл бұрын

Not yet, it's on the to-do list though and will be reviewed shortly.

@NickDaddyPhx Жыл бұрын

@@bikelockwiki - Thanks! I have 4 electric scooters that I am looking to purchase 4 folding locks for. I will likely go with one of the following: Kryptonite Evolution 790 Foldylock Forever

@bicycleworkshop1779 2 жыл бұрын

Классный замок. Сам таким пользуюсь. Abus 5900.

@gailshib 2 жыл бұрын

thanks for this. you mentioned you’d include interior diameter but i don’t see it…

@bikelockwiki 2 жыл бұрын

Glad you found the video helpful, Here are the dimensions you’re looking for. More information is available in the video description :) Forever: 12 x 25.2cm (4.8 x 9.9”) 6500: 9.5 x 22.4cm (4.37 x 8.8”)

@Smaug1 5 ай бұрын

Well-done. I dropped a like, but I don't plan on watching non-stop bike lock videos, so no sub. I think Abus has heard you, as the going rate for the Abus is now half the price of the FoldyLock. The head area of the Abus is sure a lot more clunky; I think there was a reason for that you didn't touch on.

@elliotkoziel1631 9 күн бұрын

How do you unlock the foldyilock?

@bikelockwiki 9 күн бұрын

The locking nut slides into the outside of the locking mechanism, its the same across all of the foldylock models :)

@aznsushi41 2 жыл бұрын

ill be comparing Fighter A versus Fighter B with bigger muscles and agility! Biased front the start. Great video tho

@bikelockwiki 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your feedback! Apart from the Bordo 6500 and the Trelock FS 500 there isn't another folding lock that comes close to the security the Forever offers. I chose the second most secure folding lock, to attempt to offer the most valuable comparison for the viewer.

@vandanakochhar7246 2 жыл бұрын

Great Video! It should get more likes.

@bikelockwiki 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! I’m glad you found it helpful.

@simonsaysrewind 4 ай бұрын

Great video... Just bought forever (though it's red trim ... Apparently UK version?)

@bikelockwiki 4 ай бұрын

Thanks! Could be the foldylock classic? It’s worth checking because the locks are slightly different. I haven’t heard of a red UK version. Where did you find that out?

@simonsaysrewind 4 ай бұрын

It says it's called forever 90 and a please note message ...this is UK version of American one. On eBay.. has same weight too.

@bikelockwiki 4 ай бұрын

I’m fairly sure this is the Foldylock Classic, which has been rebranded after it was upgraded to achieve Sold Secure Pedal Cycle Gold. If this is the case the plates are only 5.5mm thick, 1mm thinner than the forever. Just verifying this for you.

@simonsaysrewind 4 ай бұрын

Hope not as price is same as forever @@bikelockwiki

@bikelockwiki 4 ай бұрын

@@simonsaysrewind I’ve reached out to contacts to confirm. Will get back to you on this mate.

@rollinwitzig7789 2 жыл бұрын

Good review, 4 months later and still not available, I need a lock, just got my bike today, I've waited, so I just bought the competition... until then my friend Thx

@bikelockwiki 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your feedback! Seatylock have been telling me that the lock will be available in March/April, I've tried to keep everyone asking up to date on potential release dates, but i can only go off what I'm being told. Enjoy your new bike & make sure you lock it up properly!

@rollinwitzig7789 2 жыл бұрын

@@bikelockwiki thx greatly appreciate it

@kippywylie 2 жыл бұрын

I too need a lock and very soon. My $5K ebike arrives in early May 2022 and with the town I live in I'd be insane to leave it for 2 minutes for a cup of coffee

@bikelockwiki 2 жыл бұрын

@@kippywylie I spoke with Michael from Seatylock again who advised that this should be available from the 18th of April. I’d recommend using another lock alongside this for your e-bike, a chunky d-lock will do well. Maybe the Hiplok D1000.

@kippywylie 2 жыл бұрын

@@bikelockwiki Hiplock is also unavailable. The Gazelle has a café lock, but I can try to use my wife's Kryptonite Fugetsboudit until the Foldylock shows. You think June is possible?

@rickywright583 2 жыл бұрын

🤙

@bikelockwiki 2 жыл бұрын

😎

@GirlyEnglishGamer Жыл бұрын

Your voice 😍

@bikelockwiki 2 жыл бұрын

Release date confirmed - Tuesday, May 3rd.

@andrebln8900 2 жыл бұрын

You have it?

@bikelockwiki 2 жыл бұрын

@@andrebln8900 Yes, I’ve had mine for a while now!

@cumpootuhruser9355 Жыл бұрын

I'm disappointed that you chose to trust Foldylock's in-house security testing. You should always take in-house testing with a grain of salt until reputable third-parties have reproduced the results.

@bikelockwiki Жыл бұрын

@@cumpootuhruser9355 I agree and understood at the time of filming this that relying on manufacturer testing isn't ideal. However, at the time of filming this video I simply didn't have the resource to carry out destruction testing myself, whereas I've now invested in the require tools and space for this to be possible. My most recent videos include much more thorough destruction testing and I'll continue to invest in this to increase quality and reliability moving forwards. I'll be putting the Foldylock Forever through destruction testing the soon. Stay tuned.

@cumpootuhruser9355 Жыл бұрын

@@bikelockwiki Nice! I look forward to seeing the Foldylock Forever destructively tested. Retroactively I think a simple disclaimer would have been enough to make it clear that "these are manufacturer claims and not independently verified, so take it with a grain of salt... but if what they say is true, it's a very impressive lock!"

@gary7vn 3 ай бұрын

Metal thickness is only one variable, what kind of "metal" is critical too.

@bikelockwiki 3 ай бұрын

Absolutely, couldn’t agree more. This is why since releasing this video our lock testing has become much more thorough. Stay tuned, more to come 🚲 🔒 💥

@PersonGamma 2 жыл бұрын

01:57 The position of that nut splitter looks suspiciously low to me, tbh

@bikelockwiki 2 жыл бұрын

In hindsight, I should have included more of the nut splitter video. I'll be carrying out an independent destruction test soon to verify Seatylock's claims.

@PersonGamma 2 жыл бұрын

@@bikelockwiki that would be really good to see!

@Spurdospaerde692 Жыл бұрын

So Seatylock says their tests show their lock is secure. Doesn't ABUS say the same? I'd either do my own test of both locks, or rely on an independent tester of both locks, before making a video which "establishes" that one product is more secure than another similar one. 1 mm difference in plate thickness doesn't say much per se, it's the number of seconds with an angle grinder that counts. Both locks are due to their shared design type equally resistant to bolt cutters (provided that the steel quality is similar, which we don't know). An objective comparison using nut-splitters would be interesting, even though that's a rare tool in even the professional bike thief's arsenal. It took LPL a whole 2 minutes to break a Bordo 6500 with a nut-splitter, and that was with the lock in a vise, and not counting the time required to cut away the tough plastic in order to get access for the tool.

@bikelockwiki Жыл бұрын

I agree, more testing is definitely required here. At the time of shooting this video, I had limited access to tools and a suitable space for destructive testing. However, as you'll see from my recent videos, I've invested in both of the above to increase video quality and provide more information for anyone watching. I've had several others ask for a more detailed destructive test of the 6500 & Forever, and I'll be working on it shortly. Thanks for taking the time to leave feedback, it's very helpful! James

@jeoxenx Жыл бұрын

Feels very biased. Many informations are from the manufacturer himself and obviously generally prefering the Foldylock - without any evidence to support any claim. I have no preference for either, but I don't like biased videos anyways. ...and I'm wondering if the people commenting below, that are supposedly changing their buying decision based on this video, are any more substantiated or unbiased than this video.

@bikelockwiki Жыл бұрын

Thanks for your feedback, at the time of producing this video I was unable to complete destruction testing in-house, but have begun in-house destruction testing in my new videos, which helps to clearly display the strengths and weaknesses of the products I test. When it comes to being biased, It may sound like it. However, I have access to the top folding locks on the market and I choose to use the Foldylock Forever and Seatylock Mason 140 to secure my bike each time I go for a ride. I Appreciate your feedback and will use it to increase the quality of the content I'm producing moving forwards.

@diggler2002 2 жыл бұрын

If you remove the wheel skewers, the thief will get a nasty surprise when they ride away.

@bikelockwiki 2 жыл бұрын

That's definetely one approach! I've also seen a video of people tying their bike to an immovable object, I wouldn't recommend this, but it seemed somewhat effective.

@Reboot12345678910 2 жыл бұрын

@@bikelockwiki "tying their bike to an immovable object, I wouldn't recommend this, but it seemed somewhat effective", isn't that what you are suppose to do with a bike and a lock?! Or was that satire?

@bikelockwiki 2 жыл бұрын

@@Reboot12345678910 Search bike bait prank and you'll see what I'm referring to here. I don't recommend doing this with your bike however!

@Reboot12345678910 2 жыл бұрын

@@bikelockwiki Ok so I'm glad it's satire... lol... just never know nowadays. ...those videos are clickbait fake but yes, "effective" for those involved... lol

@ricko3k 2 жыл бұрын

Very biased. How does "putting more metal between the thief and your bike make it more secure" , if the locks poor then it doesn't matter how thick the metal is. The Abus storage pouch looks much better, a strap that simply clicks into place that doesn't allow the lock to bounce out. Noisier? They are both made from the same materials. Sponsored and very biased. Abus for me. The online test on the Abus was very open and honest, you could actually see it being done, it damaged the nut splitter and it wasn't "easy". All we saw of the Foldylock was still pictures, very misleading.

@amightysailingman 2 жыл бұрын

If a lock is good, then more metal is always more secure. Otherwise, why would Kryptonite make beefier and heavier chains and locks like the Fuhgeddaboutit? The Foldylock can't bounce out. It's not held in by gravity. Notice the curved lip that hooks over the ends of the inner links. Personally, I would prefer that to a rubber strap that will harden and get brittle with age and UV exposure. What still pictures are you talking about? I saw short video clips, but no stills. Sounds like you have an axe to grind. Very biased indeed.

@Nizmor 3 ай бұрын

I thoght to buy Abus 6500, but then learned about Foldylock. Gladly don't bought Abus, cause all their Bordo family sucks. Foldylock the best.

@bikelockwiki 3 ай бұрын

The ABUS range are good quality locks, just not quite as secure as the Foldylock Forever!

@KiliGraphics Жыл бұрын

The keyhole seems to be easily defeated with a cordless drill

@bikelockwiki Жыл бұрын

First I’ve heard of this, where did you find this out? I’ll be using a cordless drill in my testing moving forwards, so we’ll have a better idea of cylinder security.

@KiliGraphics Жыл бұрын

@@bikelockwiki It was just a guess because of the looks from the keyhole. But maybe they added protection. Worth finding out. Other looks get tested on this as well, because it happened. Because if not this would be a solid lock as it seems, at least for a folding lock. I am also highly engaged when the topic is bicycle security, for notice.

@user-yu6ne6qb1c Ай бұрын

99% of bike locks are easily pickable, so CRAP! Don't waste $200 on a lock! There are plenty of $50-100 ones that are bolt-cutter safe, and it's more likely that a thief carries a lock-picking tool than a grinder, because it doesn't attract any attention, and it's pocketable. It's only a matter of time before thieves discover lock-picking tools and realise it doesn't attract attention, compared to a bolt-cutter or grinder... With a $30 tool, you can pick a lock in 20 seconds, and no bystander would look at you unsuspecting... from a distance it looks the same as if you were to unlock it with a key, or combo.

@bikelockwiki 29 күн бұрын

This sounds like it could be true, but hardly any thieves use lockpicks on the street. It's easy to watch lockpicking videos and say, "These locks are easily pickable", but you've probably been watching professionals or people with many, many hours of picking experience and practice, a sacrifice bike thieves aren't typically willing to make. Power tools are quicker and require only two brain cells to operate.