Lionel O-Gauge Train Lubrication
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@lfbejaranoc
@lfbejaranoc 2 ай бұрын
Could someone please help me? I have a Lionel Polar electric locomotive. Last Christmas the locomotive was stopped on its rails and from one moment to the next it started moving very quickly by itself. It stopped after a turn and from there it did not move forward again, not even with the remote control. Only the front light bulb is blinking. seems to be short. How can I solve this? thank you.
@ChooChooVille
@ChooChooVille Ай бұрын
This popular train set was first sold in 2016 and features a hand-held remote control, as you have noted. The problem could be with the locomotive itself, or a malfunctioning control. Perhaps someone reading your request is more experienced with how the various components interact, on this 21st century version train set.
@Crosley-1520
@Crosley-1520 2 ай бұрын
My first set was a #2201WS from 1954, plus a 3620 search light, all of which I still have. I recently restored the 665 locomotive to its former glory (needed a repaint and e-unit rebuild) and still runs like the first day... excellent quality indeed! Still gives me get that "magical feeling" that I felt the first day I got it running on the tracks.
@ChooChooVille
@ChooChooVille Ай бұрын
Thank you for your encouraging comment. Hopefully there are myriads of other vintage layouts still running well or waiting to be brought back to life.
@Deadbuck73
@Deadbuck73 2 ай бұрын
I’m so thrilled to see this! I have my Dads boyhood Lionel train and with a 2055. I still have the 4x8 table that a neighbor made for my dad back in the day. I’m thinking it was early to mid 50’s. It’s part of the “out of my cold hands” collection! 😂
@ChooChooVille
@ChooChooVille Ай бұрын
Thank you for your comment. Possibly you will find the time and space to get dad’s outfit running again! We are always willing to provide thoughts and suggestions about operating a Vintage Lionel Layout.
@Deadbuck73
@Deadbuck73 Ай бұрын
@@ChooChooVille oh she’s running! Thank you 🙏 I definitely need more room!
@jamesdenny4734
@jamesdenny4734 2 ай бұрын
Didn't see the ping marks, it wasnt in picture fram!?
@ChooChooVille
@ChooChooVille Ай бұрын
After reviewing the video, I agree that the ping marks did not show, although you can see that I did apply the spring-loaded center punch to the axle. Trust me, it happened, and it truly was necessary to prevent the wheel from slipping. The steel in these axles is soft and is easily dimpled with an ordinary center punch.
@jamesdenny4734
@jamesdenny4734 2 ай бұрын
Hello, I hope your still monitoring your old videos, but how do I find the field coil? All those wires are confusing. Thank you for responding. 😊
@ChooChooVille
@ChooChooVille Ай бұрын
I briefly pointed to the field coil with my screwdriver. It is the only coil of wire remaining in the motor frame after the armature has been removed. One side of this coil is internally connected to the frame, while the other end connects via a wire to the reversing switch. When checking continuity of the field coil, it should be noted that resistance is typically about 1 ohm (not to be confused with a short circuit in the wiring). We recently created a video dealing with the wiring of vintage Lionel motors. Perhaps this will also provide some insight on identifying the origin of all those black usually distressed wires. The KZfaq reference for this "Lionel Prewar Motors and How They are Wired" tutorial is: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/lZaGd5mdzMicmIk.htmlfeature=shared
@rperlberg
@rperlberg 5 ай бұрын
How does the termination of current make the pendulum reverser move?
@ChooChooVille
@ChooChooVille 5 ай бұрын
The pendulum reverse assembly contains a contact sub-assembly that hovers above the top surface of the motor field laminations. When power is applied to the motor, the resulting magnetic field will pull the moving portion downward, and the contacts will open. When power is interrupted and then re-applied, the contacts will close and activate a solenoid that moves a set of pendulum-like contacts which reverse the direction of current flow to the armature, thus reversing direction of rotation. Some assemblies are also wired to activate the proper headlight associated with direction of travel.
@rperlberg
@rperlberg 5 ай бұрын
@@ChooChooVille - Thank you.
@danny117hd
@danny117hd 5 ай бұрын
Those are great experiments. Im wondering how much power the eunit would use with no filter capacitor. And if the vibro stuff would work correctly.
@ChooChooVille
@ChooChooVille 5 ай бұрын
I measured the resistance of the E-unit on a Lionel steam locomotive to be about 13 ohms. A locomotive such as this one takes about 10 volts when run on DC power, as shown in the video "Running Vintage Lionel O-Gauge Trains on DC Power". The power consumed by the E-unit alone would then be 10*10/13, or about 7.5 watts. It will become quite hot in a short time, although it will operate. Another consideration is whether it will eventually acquire some permanent magnetization and not continue to release properly. Lionel accessories that are designed to vibrate will only work with 60 Hz power applied, as they actually vibrate at 60 Hz. Some of these accessories are mentioned in the referenced video.
@cameraotter5666
@cameraotter5666 6 ай бұрын
New to O Gauge here. My father has been having them for years and I am getting into a phase in my life that I am picking up my grandfather's knack for tinkering. I have seen other restoration videos, but yours seems be a lot more informative. I also see that you have been working on this same locomotive for a while. I am looking forward to watching your other videos and learning on how to maintain my father's trains, which I may inherit one day.
@ChooChooVille
@ChooChooVille 6 ай бұрын
Welcome aboard! Thank you for your gracious comment.
@GG1man
@GG1man 7 ай бұрын
Thank you for the instructional video. I recently acquired two #8E locos that are in need of new wheels. One suggestion, if I may. Try putting the C clamp in the bench vise. This way you won't have to wish you had three hands.
@raysrails2164
@raysrails2164 8 ай бұрын
Awesome idea .
@ChooChooVille
@ChooChooVille 6 ай бұрын
Thank you.
@Crosley-1520
@Crosley-1520 8 ай бұрын
One could use the microcontroller to e.g. generate a 60Hz square wave output feeding a four-MOSFET, or four Solid-State relay ICs, H-bridge, turning the DC into AC. That complicates the circuit a bit, but would solve the problem of the E-unit becoming magnetized. If the 60Hz signal is in addition PWM-ed, then the train speed could be controlled. And by changing the duty-cycle slightly, a small DC offset could be introduced to control the whistle.
@Crosley-1520
@Crosley-1520 8 ай бұрын
Very clever idea of powering the tracks from a car!
@Crosley-1520
@Crosley-1520 8 ай бұрын
Good idea! Gotta do something like that with my postwar Lionel.
@sergeselr1687
@sergeselr1687 9 ай бұрын
This is great I wish I saw it before I got my wits screwed up on my Lionel # 10 Thanks so much !!
@ChooChooVille
@ChooChooVille 8 ай бұрын
Thank you for viewing!
@raysrails2164
@raysrails2164 9 ай бұрын
👍👍
@ChooChooVille
@ChooChooVille 9 ай бұрын
Thank you.
@johnknippenberg-LandmarkYards
@johnknippenberg-LandmarkYards 10 ай бұрын
Very cool idea!
@ChooChooVille
@ChooChooVille 10 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@scpvrr
@scpvrr 10 ай бұрын
Good info. The final drawing was exactly what I need for my basket case 33.
@ChooChooVille
@ChooChooVille 10 ай бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@genemanno1533
@genemanno1533 Жыл бұрын
I realize this is a year old but I had to laugh with the ZW powering the 8 piece curve track circle. LOL😊
@raysrails2164
@raysrails2164 Жыл бұрын
You did it !
@charlesbuck4233
@charlesbuck4233 Жыл бұрын
Well done, I am sure Harry Ives would be pleased.
@ChooChooVille
@ChooChooVille Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@jmbm6464
@jmbm6464 Жыл бұрын
can you tell me the Lionel number for the switch controller? I need to purchase two as I got two switch tracks at a show. Thanks!!
@ChooChooVille
@ChooChooVille Жыл бұрын
Lionel switches came with their own controller. I am not aware of controllers being sold separately. With that in mind, it is relatively easy to make your own controller, as shown in our you-tube video - kzfaq.info/get/bejne/fLOldNmn3LO3cok.html If you decide to build your own controller, it will need only a momentary electrical connection to change a switch position. A prolonged connection uses a lot of power and can overheat the switch internal solenoids.
@jmbm6464
@jmbm6464 Жыл бұрын
@@ChooChooVille Thank You!!!
@georgebenson6036
@georgebenson6036 Жыл бұрын
Well done. Thanks for sharing.
@ChooChooVille
@ChooChooVille Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@flatheadfred28
@flatheadfred28 Жыл бұрын
Very informational and applicable to other brands. After watching your video especially the commentary, I changed an early Flyer motor to full power to the field and the brushes and just like magic, it will start from a dead stop every time. Before, wired the other way 50% of the time it would require a push to start. Thank you so much.
@plunkervillerr1529
@plunkervillerr1529 Жыл бұрын
Marx guy here, I have my dad`s Lionel 1946 224. I have no trouble servicing the motor, but I fear there will be parts left over on reassembling.
@tinplatedave
@tinplatedave Жыл бұрын
Your advice is excellent and true. This is a very informative video which will help people who are learning these locos. Your older videos of the Pendulum Reverse have helped me immensely.
@mootsym
@mootsym Жыл бұрын
Looks like you’re using oil on the gears. I usually use the thicker white lube. Have I been using the wrong stuff all this time?
@ChooChooVille
@ChooChooVille Жыл бұрын
I do not see anything wrong with using the white lube. The oil is just my personal preference because it tends to stay on the gear tooth surface more than the white lube, which tends to push away.
@mootsym
@mootsym Жыл бұрын
@@ChooChooVille I guess I always viewed oil and lube as different things with different purposes- lube for where the gears contact each other, and oil for things like bushings or wheels or whatever.. something that would squeak vs something that would grind haha
@rxw5520
@rxw5520 6 ай бұрын
Oil may not last as long as grease but they both reduce wear on the gears. You’ll see people swear by grease only on gears, but cmon this isn’t heavy machinery and it’s not gonna be running thousands of miles, so any difference is probably theoretical.
@rubenvillanueva4847
@rubenvillanueva4847 Жыл бұрын
Ur layout is very nice 👍🍻
@ChooChooVille
@ChooChooVille Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much!
@paulbervid1610
@paulbervid1610 Жыл бұрын
Very cool
@ChooChooVille
@ChooChooVille Жыл бұрын
Thank you.
@mikepedian8272
@mikepedian8272 Жыл бұрын
If you lock E unit to forward postion by moving lever will that eliminate powe to coil and save E unit from burning or getting magnetized ?Thanks for any help . Sone of my standard gauge do like DC it seems.
@ChooChooVille
@ChooChooVille Жыл бұрын
Your observations are all correct. My goal in making this video was one of curiosity rather than an actual requirement. I heard decades ago from a Lionel dealer that his Standard Gauge #402 could be modified to run on DC and performed very well. I have also read a number of publications noting that Lionel's motors were typically of the universal type, able to run on either AC or DC. In the recent video of my O-27 set, I elected to activate the E-unit so that I could stop the train to unload the milk car. I also noted that my #2025 would run well on 10 volts DC, while requiring 12 volts AC to achieve the same speeds, thus decreasing the power dissipated in the E-unit while running on DC. One could consider periodically reversing the positions of the DC wires to the track to lessen the possibility of permanent magnetization of the E-unit. One last point. If you choose to run a Standard Gauge locomotive on DC, then the field coil and the armature should be wired in series to prevent excess armature heating. Motors made in the late 1930's and having E-units were wired in this manner, but E-unit overheating might be a huge issue if run on DC without disabling the E-unit.
@paulbervid1610
@paulbervid1610 Жыл бұрын
Very cool
@scottk.6005
@scottk.6005 Жыл бұрын
How long did you soak everything in the Simple Green before rinsing with water? And, did you dilute the Simple Green or use it all full concentration?
@ChooChooVille
@ChooChooVille Жыл бұрын
I use a one-to-ten-part solution of Simple Green to water, for approximately one minute, for paint clean-up. For surfaces with heavy grease and whose paint is not of a concern (locomotive motors), then Simple Green may be used at full strength. Hopefully this answers your question.
@scottk.6005
@scottk.6005 Жыл бұрын
@@ChooChooVille Thanks. For the older locomotives where it is impossible to remove the motor (armature) from the metal housing, is it safe to soak the whole thing in a tub of full strength Simple Green? I really just need to clean the old smelly grease off of the gears and axles, but it is impossible without getting some on the motor armature. If it is safe, how long do you recommend I soak it for before rinsing it off and drying it? Thanks!
@ChooChooVille
@ChooChooVille Жыл бұрын
I have placed my entire armature in full strength solution for approximately 15 seconds, continually moving the motor through the solution. I would not submerge the E-unit in the full strength solution. You will need to determine the risk factor for you.
@mdeange3
@mdeange3 Жыл бұрын
Is this layout roughly 3' x 4' ?
@ChooChooVille
@ChooChooVille Жыл бұрын
The layout is approximately 4' x 5'.
@mdeange3
@mdeange3 Жыл бұрын
@@ChooChooVille Thank you and good to know. I was also reviewing your books on the subject. Take care.
@mikepedian8272
@mikepedian8272 Жыл бұрын
Can you explain Why you need the capacitors and not just the rectifier ?
@ChooChooVille
@ChooChooVille Жыл бұрын
I wanted to simulate as closely as possible, a commercial DC Power Supply, having minimal ripple voltage.
@mdeange3
@mdeange3 Жыл бұрын
Your layout system is fantastic, and this is the first time that I have seen an operation of this kind. I enjoyed watching the interchange of trains between the track switches and loops.Thanks for making Postwar trains fun.
@ChooChooVille
@ChooChooVille Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@raysrails2164
@raysrails2164 Жыл бұрын
Nice
@ChooChooVille
@ChooChooVille Жыл бұрын
Thanks
@michaelquinones-lx6ks
@michaelquinones-lx6ks Жыл бұрын
What year did AF stopped making 'standard gauge'
@ChooChooVille
@ChooChooVille Жыл бұрын
Approximately 1935.
@michaelquinones-lx6ks
@michaelquinones-lx6ks Жыл бұрын
@@ChooChooVille Four years before Lionel discontinued their Standard gauge in 1939 and, thank you for taking the time in reading my comment.
@michaelquinones-lx6ks
@michaelquinones-lx6ks Жыл бұрын
A beautiful piece of machinery 'MADE IN USA' NOT CHINA! American workmanship at it's finest!
@EzraMann-xo3vm
@EzraMann-xo3vm Жыл бұрын
I have a left and right switchers hooked together to make a loop. The switchers are attached to track with 3 metal pins each and the switchers are attached with 3 metal pins. The controller does not work very well. Can you tell me where to place neutral pins to make the controller work?
@ChooChooVille
@ChooChooVille Жыл бұрын
If the switches are a non-derailing type, such as the Lionel #0-22, they will not work properly if all the pins are metal. The innermost rails of non-derailing switches need to have insulating pins on both the curved and straight track pieces. When the correct pins are installed, the controller must be connected with its center wire to the center binding post of the switch. The two outer controller wires need to be placed on their binding posts such that the green/red positions of the controller and the actual switch position correspond. The center binding post of all Lionel electric switches is always internally wired to common, which electrically is the outside rails of track and the corresponding binding post on the transformer.
@EzraMann-xo3vm
@EzraMann-xo3vm Жыл бұрын
@@ChooChooVille Thanks! I have followed your directions and it is working well. Thanks!
@jeffcarlisle135
@jeffcarlisle135 Жыл бұрын
Would you be able to provide more information about wiring the switch? It's difficult to see. And that's exactly where I'm stuck. Great videos. Extremely I informational. Thank you so much.
@ChooChooVille
@ChooChooVille Жыл бұрын
Thank you for your request. We released a new video, Lionel Prewar Motors and How They are Wired, that should help with your question.
@rbeaver5257
@rbeaver5257 Жыл бұрын
Great video! I was wondering if you knew if that motor you repaired would fit the Lionel 260e locomotive?
@ChooChooVille
@ChooChooVille Жыл бұрын
The motors in the 260E's are larger and more powerful than those of the 262, and while they look similar, they cannot be readily interchanged. The 260 has a drive wheel placement that is slightly farther apart than that of the 262. This being said, the value gear of the 260E will not properly span and operate with the smaller motor in place. Also, to be noted is that the drive wheels of a 260E have valve gear cross rod mounting screws located farther from the wheel's center.
@rbeaver5257
@rbeaver5257 Жыл бұрын
@@ChooChooVille Thanks for the response! Happy New Year!
@paulstrains91
@paulstrains91 Жыл бұрын
Is that 027 curves
@ChooChooVille
@ChooChooVille Жыл бұрын
Yes, 027 track.
@raysrails2164
@raysrails2164 Жыл бұрын
Great video very helpful ty !
@ChooChooVille
@ChooChooVille Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@davidoyler83
@davidoyler83 Жыл бұрын
What is your setup to test it?
@ChooChooVille
@ChooChooVille Жыл бұрын
American Flyer trains made after World War II were designed to run on 2-rail track which has about 1 inch spacing between rails (known as 3/16” scale). To power motorized units such as this handcar, American Flyer used AC transformers producing approximately the same voltages as ones from Lionel. Their design also employed a track clip which sent power to each of the rails, voltage common to one side and variable voltage to the other. In order to test an American Flyer motor without track, I used a pair of clip leads connected to a Lionel transformer set to produce about 12 volts. One clip lead was clipped to a drive wheel that was not driven, as it was resting on a nylon bushing. The other clip lead touched a wheel on the opposite (driven) side. Note that the non-driven wheels are connected by a piece of phosphor-bronze sheet metal which in turn connects to one side of the motor.
@kennethward8732
@kennethward8732 Жыл бұрын
Is the Cascade you use Cascade Complete powder? I want to be sure before I buy. Love your videos!! Have watched the whole restoration. Thanks!!!
@ChooChooVille
@ChooChooVille Жыл бұрын
Yes, I do use Cascade Complete powder. Thank you for your gracious comments!
@kennethward8732
@kennethward8732 Жыл бұрын
@@ChooChooVille thanks for the reply. I have a big box ordered. Still catching up on your other videos!
@OgaugeTrainsplusslotCars
@OgaugeTrainsplusslotCars Жыл бұрын
Nice run is that 027 track♐️👍
@ChooChooVille
@ChooChooVille Жыл бұрын
Yes it is!
@soundman1950s
@soundman1950s Жыл бұрын
Another thing viewers should consider is the use of the automatic non-derailing switches. When the train runs over one of these switches, a solenoid is automatically activated and the additional current drawn can drop the voltage from the transformer by a half of volt. Multiple switches can cause increased voltage drops.
@ChooChooVille
@ChooChooVille Жыл бұрын
Thank you for your comment. I did find the O-27 non-derailing Switches did not transit as smoothly with the Prewar Tinplate Trains.
@paulterry5115
@paulterry5115 Жыл бұрын
I have one of these to sell. Would you have any suggestions on how to do that?
@ChooChooVille
@ChooChooVille Жыл бұрын
The condition of the engine will help determine the selling options. Does the engine and tender have all the original parts, good paint and runs well? There are several popular online auction sites that are available. Another option is to take the engine to a local train meet or flea market to discuss selling it to a dealer. If you are looking for a charitable tax deduction, a donation could work for you.
@northpennvalleysteamrailroad
@northpennvalleysteamrailroad Жыл бұрын
Cool 😎
@raysrails2164
@raysrails2164 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@lionelprewar-postwara-aron8630
@lionelprewar-postwara-aron8630 2 жыл бұрын
I love my 275 watt. I’m having issues with only my prewar whistle tenders able to work properly but my postwar whistle tenders do not whistle for some reason. Any idea what may be causing this issue?
@ChooChooVille
@ChooChooVille 2 жыл бұрын
From a personal perspective, I have not had a problem with the whistle on any vintage of Lionel Tender. Here are a couple of things I would review in troubleshooting: 1. Try the whistle control on the other side of your ZW in case one side is marginal in the DC portion of output voltage (about 1/2 to 1 volt). 2. Remove the cover from your postwar tender and observe the DC relay to determine if it closes or attempts to close. If you can see the relay's flat armature move when you call for the whistle, then perhaps the contacts need some burnishing. 3. Manually close the contacts on the DC relay and see if the impeller tries to turn. Perhaps the brushes are dirty or its armature is frozen. Note that you should use an insulated/wooden tool when poking around inside the whistle.
@lionelprewar-postwara-aron8630
@lionelprewar-postwara-aron8630 2 жыл бұрын
@@ChooChooVille found it! The wires were broken off at the trucks and I never noticed. 😩🤦🏻‍♂️ ended up both tenders I had, had the same issue. Now they work decent.