Noob here, in looking at warcrier for ironjawz where are you seeing that the charge gives a double attack. I might be miss reading or not seeing something. Thanks.
@acs882723 сағат бұрын
You might not be a fan of Toughness buffs, but hear me out. The Bonesplitterz' _Beast-Spirit Ju-ju_ is a double, and serves to bring members of your warband past two important thresholds. First, it brings your non-Hero damage dealers (including the man himself) from T3 to T4; second, it turns your henchmen into T5 15W true meatshields. This can put the whole warband on another level. In the list in the video, one would have to forego the second blessing and find 5 points somewhere else (leader/blessing) in order to upgrade that Morboy into the Totem Bearer that has the ability -- a little pricey, but he has the same damage output on a 3" reach. If you're willing to give up the pig (who can wind up overextended -- in danger and unable to provide _Waaagh!_ for the team), you can trade it for a fighty foot hero and a bunch of blessings, or another shield and a Wurrgog, whose triple can combine with the double to make a fleshy green castle for a crucial round or two. And because you can fish for better results with your Battle Trait, you've got a better chance to pull it all off.
@generallybadgamers79656 сағат бұрын
Beast Spirit Ju-ju has been super good for me, for the reasons you listed. I don't take a Bonesplitterz list without at least one of the Totem Bearer, because it almost always makes a difference as an easy to use ability.
@stevenbean297Күн бұрын
Great exploration! I'm bummed that none of the battle traits really change the landscape for my favorite warbands, though...
@thesaltyseagames23 сағат бұрын
Thanks! bumskies about not getting one of the good ones. I was hoping Scions would get a good one and theirs is terrible.
@femmecactus4630Күн бұрын
Battle traits enabled the dumbest (best) way to build 1-box Rotmire Creed where you drop 1 carrion catcher, build all the little guys with shield and buff up everyone (except leader who gets +1A and the catcher) up to T5. Then in game you gang up on enemies so they can't disengage because of your trait and counter them to death. Not good but very funny
@thesaltyseagames23 сағат бұрын
Lol I have an unbuilt Rotmire box I wish was set up for trying this.
@joaquindelcarpio3506Күн бұрын
Try proxying the tree-revenant with waypipes as Karthaen for that Sylvaneth list! That way your whole warband stays on theme and you can tell which one has the instrument.
@thesaltyseagamesКүн бұрын
Wow that's an amazing idea, mostly bc my Waypiper is painted and my Karthaen isn't even built lol
@omnimingКүн бұрын
I see Fyreslayers i press like. :D I see Ironjawz too, and i press like again then i press like again, ehehehe
@thesaltyseagamesКүн бұрын
Hah! very thankful for the third press lol.
@ShalickxКүн бұрын
Idk what it is about Sylvaneth, but I have so much fun theory crafting lists for them and their new battle trait makes it even more fun. What are you thoughts on Skaeth? Is he generally worth it over a kurnoth with gs? I love the model, but have trouble fitting him into lists
@thesaltyseagamesКүн бұрын
I have trouble fitting him in too. His minions are wonderful but with only two dice it's tough to use him. I liked him better way back in first edition when you could shoot into combat.
@DaronSchmitКүн бұрын
The biggest tip for NH for me is the Wielder charge into 2 attacks Otherwise sequencing is so huge and playing scared/projecting power across the board is the big thing for NH in my experience. Its what you can kill (most of the time) Its what you can get to and what you can orevent your opponent frkm getting to. I think NH are going to struggle bug time if they arent the ones setting the tempo.
@jakew5115Күн бұрын
Does the bringing the Flameseekers flame puppy back with a triple add much value?
@ShalickxКүн бұрын
I was trying to make a "beast master" list with them. Ally in the blade born Idoneth for the crab/octopus for some other beasts. I couldn't get it work though points wise though
@omnimingКүн бұрын
@@Shalickx how about trying out Hexbane Hunter's doggies?
@DreadnobКүн бұрын
I don't think so. You already have great uses for your dice. Resurrecting the worst fighter in your warband, at the cost of not taking any allies, seems hardly worth it. I'd even say, if the flameseekers would've had this ability innately, it still would've never been used.
@thesaltyseagames23 сағат бұрын
It's definitely good. One of VFS' strengths is how well whippy dwarf combines with big scary allies though. So a bit of a tradeoff.
@warrenconnell46122 күн бұрын
Appreciate the stuff for the sweatlords and math nerds
@thesaltyseagamesКүн бұрын
I love a bit of math...
@arturr82772 күн бұрын
Clanrats from Skaventide leave so much space for kitbashing. It's really easy to convert regular rats to packmasters (I used hobgrot banners and slaneesh whips) or just greenstuff something. In AoS, weapon loadout realy doesn't matter, so it's also good to make some spear skaven from the ones that hold weapons in 2 hands.
@thesaltyseagamesКүн бұрын
That's a great reminder! Yeah you could probably convert your skaventide clanrats into both Packmasters and Krowch't
@TimPoultney2 күн бұрын
That Nighthaunt list is VERY tempting.
@thesaltyseagames2 күн бұрын
I think it's cool how the faction has completely changed over the last 6 months.
@DaronSchmit2 күн бұрын
Love these new battle traits ❤
@DaronSchmit2 күн бұрын
Also.... BONESPLITTERZ
@thesaltyseagames2 күн бұрын
Getting to re-roll initiatives is so unique. I don't know how it didn't set the internet on fire when it came out.
@armoire_enthusiast72 күн бұрын
@@thesaltyseagamesit was hidden in the last place people were ever going to check lolol
@thesaltyseagames2 күн бұрын
@@armoire_enthusiast7 Brutal. Cunning. Savage.
@WladcaPodziemia2 күн бұрын
So which book do i get to get those new campain rules now?
@thesaltyseagames2 күн бұрын
The Core Book has them, but with just a year in the new edition, you might be able to cobble everything you need together from Warcrier.com
@nicklaslundstrom79244 күн бұрын
Wohooo! Really fun. Will use them, I primarily play against casual opponents, and balanced missions are often even more important in such more irregular play. I Appriciate the bars so that we dont play anything they will auto loose too!
@thesaltyseagames2 күн бұрын
Glad to hear it. I agree that more balance is important when you can't just re-rack and play a whole bunch.
@acs88274 күн бұрын
The concerns of the quest for "fun" recall the plight of the social climber who hits her late 30s and wonders where the "success" and "happiness" she sought are. If you do not define the condition in advance, it cannot be achieved. Know exactly what you want from a game. I am loath to invoke generational generalizations, but this also speaks to the divide between the classic wargamer, who is looking for a game that will enable the players to model the actions of people in conflict to a dramatic degree, and the modern 'net-gamer, who just needs to feel like he is winning even though winning doesn't mean anything. Trying to please the latter palate is what gives us the much-maligned "standing in circles and pushing buttons" -- highly functional for the purposes of designing a game with close scoring, but utterly bizarre in the context of a fight. Extensive "lore" may be silly and burdensome, but when you divorce yourself entirely from the background, and every faction is just numbers and rules, players go through all the potential interactions and then become bored. The shine of gimmickry wears off quickly. _Enfeebling Wave_ or _Arcane Might_ or such a battleplan may be neat, but it's a gameshow. _Cursed Relic_ may be lousy from a win-lose standpoint, but it's given me many of the most cinematic moments -- the falling guards, the closing horde, the desperate breakout -- of my time in Warcry. You won't remember your W-L record, but you will remember the times your tabletop game played out like a scene from an action movie. This is not to say that I don't appreciate the effort that goes in to making these plans and packs. It's great. It would be nice if there were as much attention to other types of material, and not just appeasing the squeaky wheel. The beast fed on novelty chews it all up and moves on; it's a poor work-to-payoff ratio for the creator. Anyhow, some things that jump out at first glance: 1. Is there text somewhere that defines what to do when players are tied for "fewest Victory Points" at a decision moment? This could have bearing for certain missions, notably _Slay & Scatter_ , where at the beginning of the first round, both players will have the fewest points, and thus be placing objectives -- presumably unintentional. 2. _Passage Home_ lists two different rules for major/minor margins. 3. Handful of typos, at least three cases of "it's" instead of "its." Minor stuff. 4. _Killing Fields_ . . . I recognize that it's very hip and irreverent and postmodern-nihilistic and whatever, but an off-handed, referential genocide joke is unearned. As a professional comedian, I maintain that _everything_ is open to humor if you do it right, but this also means that I despise low-effort callouts that just aim to be cutesy and naughty. Maybe it was unintentional. Keep up the good work. Look forward to playing these and the narrative wackiness to come.
@CoeurDeColibri6 күн бұрын
Is the Arbalester not a consideration in Wildercorps gunline lists? It seems like a pretty strong artillery piece to me -- easier to disrupt than a Slaan, but very high range and a somewhat comparable damage output
@andrewmorris5505 күн бұрын
So the Slann has bonus move/attack on a kill, it has no minimum range so it can't be charged down very easily, and it's far less squishy than an arbalester . An arbalester can still do work, for sure
@DaronSchmit7 күн бұрын
I really appreciate these! I'm probably gonna make some piratey packs out of them! With some creative liberties, you could twist these into a fun narrative arc, especially Loot and pillage and Harvest Moon. If you invert Harvest Moon to start with treasure that you have to bury and protect, you can use those locations as the objectives for Pillage and loot, then repeat the cycle. Additionally, if you had a mission where you got to the hoard, you could play that mission out, then hook it into passage home as a "get to the choppa!" Mission, maybe with treasures and stuff for extra points
@codyscharf93807 күн бұрын
Great video, I'm excited to get in games on all of these!
@haroldkeearns34978 күн бұрын
Glad to see new videos bud. They're keeping occupied while in the hospital recovering from a stroke
@thesaltyseagames8 күн бұрын
Oh my god I'm sorry to hear that. Best wishes on a full recovery!
@machinamawatcher9 күн бұрын
I've been singing the praises of the Slann since 2nd edition dropped, glad to see it get some recognition here!
@thesaltyseagames2 күн бұрын
I've been playing it a bit since the video came out. It can really help you jump ahead early by blasting away chaff, but can be tough if it comes in R2 and the opponent has already locked you into combat so it can't shoot anything. Still really good though.
@Obbies11 күн бұрын
I’m a super boob but can someone explain how adding a slaughter priest means you can add blessings? I thought blessings were an optional rule that always work as long as the tournament or your opponent is cool with using them…?
@machinamawatcher9 күн бұрын
What he means is the Slaughterpriest is cheaper so that list has more leftover points to spend on blessings.
@thesaltyseagames2 күн бұрын
Yeah I should have clarified. Slaughterpriest is just cheap enough it gives you more flexibility.
@RandyTheSavage515014 күн бұрын
Spam those Harpoons...Rip it out each turn is fun times!
@thesaltyseagames14 күн бұрын
They're so good. Also when you have multiples, it makes it feel less of a problem when you miss some. the more you do, the more they lean towards the average, which is devastating.
@armoire_enthusiast715 күн бұрын
Great video! It helped solidify an idea that I frequently use in list building but never took the time to tangibly explain or directly lay out. Hopefully it helps generate even more great list innovation from the community!
@thesaltyseagames2 күн бұрын
Yeah we might see Vexmor in all sorts of new contexts!
@kidzurag15 күн бұрын
I'm surprised Seraphon aren't putting up more results - they have the best shooting piece in the game, the best offensive melee ability in the game, a good defensive reaction, fast moving chaff - they have everything you could want, all in faction
@combo55415 күн бұрын
I'm with you, they seem to dominate in my local (albeit casual) play.
@armoire_enthusiast715 күн бұрын
From my experience trying to build with them they feel a step off from the top level stuff right now. The points are just awkward enough to make them feels like they are missing something but they are definitely close and can win tourneys for sure with some luck on matchups and dice!
@thesaltyseagames14 күн бұрын
Like what Armoire said, they are very good, but they're just a step below the very tippity top stuff. The pieces are all individually good but they don't fit together with as much internal synergy as you see in the scariest archetypes imo.
@kidzurag14 күн бұрын
I'm curious what kind of lists you're building and what you're losing to - we play casually, but tend to be a fairly spiky group - we've played most of the archetypes listed in this video, and Seraphon has always felt like it had an advantageous, or at worst neutral matchup
@andrewmorris5505 күн бұрын
You can see a lot of the TTS league lists people have been brewing on wartally, but they seem to have encompassed most of the obvious combinations of Krox, Slann and so on out there.
@jakew511515 күн бұрын
Thank god a video came out today! My Salt levels were dangerously low. I was such a cranky pants.
@earthenavenger15 күн бұрын
So Dan are Battle traits going to be used at major tournaments just like the divine blessings?
@thesaltyseagames15 күн бұрын
I'd be shocked if not. People seem pretty excited about them.
@DaronSchmit15 күн бұрын
Truly Death is the redheaded stepchild of competitive warcry 😉
@warrenconnell461216 күн бұрын
Slaughterpriest is love Slaughterpriest is life
@codyscharf938016 күн бұрын
Dan did not want want me to win our last game of warcry. . .
@christianfejer718816 күн бұрын
Good build for ironjawz and strategi?
@christianfejer718816 күн бұрын
Best seraphon build?😅
@Ketiseb20 күн бұрын
Hi, firstly thanks for what you do, and secondly, you do mention some alternatives to the GW miniatures and all, do you bring them to the tournament and everything is being considered okay, no sideglances, nothing at all, nobody cares about it being non-official miniatures? Asking because my local group seem to be very stern in that regards and even proxying a generic vampire lord with shield with another without shield is a big no-no. Do you guys have the different attitude to it all?
@thesaltyseagames16 күн бұрын
Interesting. I think it's best practice for proxies to be pretty similar in vibe to whatever they're standing in for, but locally we've never had problems with people being unaccepting or with people bringing proxies that are too much of a stretch.
@guillaumeneve910523 күн бұрын
I'd like to thank you for the advices and the great work !!
@thomasschmitt695125 күн бұрын
A big thank you for all the information, insights and out of the box thinking you give in your videos. It helped me to improve my gameplay alot. As a casual player, aiming to play in some local tournaments in the near future, I am a bit overwhelmed about what to pick for a more competitive and well rounded list and what to keep in mind while building it. It would be incredibly helpful for alot of players if you could maybe do a video in which you build a list from scratch, give your thoughts about what and why you include certain things and the playstyle you are aiming for. I know that this is asked a lot, especially with all the variations like "pure", "no oop UW", casual/competitive etc. in mind, but maybe you find the time and energy sometime in the future. Thank you.
@JRC239727 күн бұрын
I just wanna say thank you for continuing to post these videos Dan. My friend and I recently started playing Warcry and your videos have really helped me start to understand how to build a list and what to pick up and play. I have been a fan of Warhammer for years, but this has made me actually get out and play.
@machinamawatcher27 күн бұрын
Is there any merit to just not playing with the optional divine blessings rules so this kind of thing is kept more in check? I feel like the intention of divine blessings was to allow people to buff their underperforming pet units but in practice they mainly get used to do some very broken things.
@arturr8277Ай бұрын
Hey Dan, you are talking about finding the perfect Lumineth list, here it is: 1 x High Sentinel 14 x Auralan Wardens 1000 points, 15 models, full Warhammer Fantasy regiment You are welcome. (this is of course a joke list, but I'm gonna try it someday)
@thesaltyseagamesАй бұрын
Yo sometimes those 15 model joke lists work decently well just by overwhelming the enemy. If I had more than 5 Wardens I might try it.
@ZacLaundrieАй бұрын
Thanks for the shoutout! FWIW I would probably swap two skinks for a wounds blessed raptadon if I had the model.
@thesaltyseagamesАй бұрын
Good to know! Good luck finishing out the league.
@bastionwargaming7965Ай бұрын
WOW! To think I went with Daughters of Khaine. :)
@thesaltyseagamesАй бұрын
You'll be alright, the pendulum always swings eventually. You'll be so jazzed when they end up on top.
@killastutzАй бұрын
I just play casually with friends, but have been using: Brute Boss w/ Choppa Gore Grunta w/ Jagged Hacka Brute with Gore Choppa x3 Does everyone think this list is bad due to the low model count?
@majespectorkuro8630Ай бұрын
Hi! Watching this in 2024, did they just up the point cost of ALL monsters? I was theory crafting a Gitz list of oops all spiders and the monster is almost 500 points 😵💫
@thesaltyseagamesАй бұрын
They did. Monsters were winning everything so they added 80-120pts to all of them.
@spiegel487Ай бұрын
I've been trying to get into Wildcorps but I cannot seem to figure them out. Any tricks from the group? Also, is there an American Discord server to try and play over tabletop simulator like our boys across the pond have?
@heinzd5502Ай бұрын
You mention you brewing with the Flameseeker here and there, is there a place to some of those thoughts, or is that nothing for the public eye yet?
@thesaltyseagamesАй бұрын
I want to do a flameseeker video some time.
@heinzd5502Ай бұрын
@@thesaltyseagames That would be awesome, i adore that faction and would love to hear your in depth thoughts on them
@thesaltyseagamesАй бұрын
@@heinzd5502 I'm currently playing a local league with them, and will do the video after that's done.
@ianfalzonmoonАй бұрын
I love the Wildercorps asthetic but game play (crossbow list) proved tasteless for me :/ Back to the Untamed it is😂
@thesaltyseagamesАй бұрын
maybe the doggy build is for you? The doggy build is pretty competitive even if it's not quite as busted as the crossbow plan.
@kidzuragАй бұрын
What do you think is good in Gloomspite? I agree they're better than some other factions, but seeing them up next to Seraphon surprised me 😅
@thesaltyseagamesАй бұрын
I think Boggleyes, Boingrot Bosses, and their ally choices are all good. If you bring in scary ogors and other friends to do your damage, GSG can focus on what they do, which is fly around and throw nets on things.
@kidzuragАй бұрын
@@thesaltyseagames it's possible my perception of them has been warped by two of the four people in my playgroup running Seraphon and KO, so goblin chaff don't exist long enough to do much - I have enjoyed damage buffed bounder boss, but they're pretty expensive - 6 wound goblins don't feel great at 55 points - especially when Kruleboyz gets them for 45 😅
@stevenbean297Ай бұрын
This was analysis gold the whole time, all the way through to the warband size finish!
@thesaltyseagamesАй бұрын
Thank you! Glad it was helpful.
@BlablaBla-sk2wkАй бұрын
I do not fully understand the charm of Vexmore. Vexmore has a very swingy profile. A blessed Vexmore without onslaught still has an 11% chance of whiffing. However if you are lucky you do 20 dmg. Because the damage and strength look so cool lots of people take Vexmore and he will have a high impact. When played a lot there will be one person who is statistically lucky and has an overperforming Vexmore.
@Coolduff.Ай бұрын
New to warcry and working with my AOS sylvaneth models right now. They are definitely hard to wrap your brain around. What has your experience been?
@thesaltyseagamesАй бұрын
I like to focus on Kurnoths and revenants. Just some big dummies who fight and don't think, and then some little guys who think and don't fight.
@DaronSchmitАй бұрын
I think your "B-" tier feels like where a lot of faction die-hard hipsters sit, which is also why tournament winners can be there. They KNOW the faction in and out and if there's a favorable tournament pack, they're probably gonna deliver.