Are the 24-25 San Jose Sharks Tanking?
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Revisiting the Timo Meier Trade
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@seng6297
@seng6297 8 сағат бұрын
what we doing with pickles
@professorhockey
@professorhockey 5 сағат бұрын
Waiting for his contract to run out
@MrVisde
@MrVisde Күн бұрын
Hoffman gets an F from me for last year. Coasted all year long and got a lot of opportunities from Quinn/Grier. Stole a spot from Gushchin/Bordeleau by taking up a roster spot. He played so poorly nobody was even interested in him at the trade deadline. Hasn’t signed with another team this offseason. Really questionable roster management having him on the team last year. I’ll chalk it up to Quinn vouching for him and one of the reasons he was fired this offseason.
@emac5738
@emac5738 Күн бұрын
No. They’re not.
@gordanpulley8082
@gordanpulley8082 2 күн бұрын
Go Utah
@nickross1002
@nickross1002 2 күн бұрын
I feel like Hoffman knew his effort level didn't particularly matter, so he just coasted a lot. For a "sniper" he hasnt done much sniping
@ponyboy9765
@ponyboy9765 2 күн бұрын
Surprisingly lenient grade. I probably would have gone C- D+ but I mean he served his role in helping us tank, so that’s a win right?
@professorhockey
@professorhockey 2 күн бұрын
I think it’s a case where my expectations for him were low, so even though he wasn’t good, the grade is ok.
@nickross1002
@nickross1002 2 күн бұрын
I was always surprised we brought in Hoffman after the Karlsson drama with their wives.
@davidpercival1395
@davidpercival1395 2 күн бұрын
Hoffman essentially replacing Erik Karlsson during the trade will never not be absolutely bizarre. We never should have taken him out of respect for Karlsson if nothing else.
@speedybure
@speedybure 2 күн бұрын
Couture is coming back this season, expected mid-late Sept. Colin Graf will be in the lineup, only reason why he chose SJS over all the other teams interested in him, opportunity to play. Likely to be 3RW.
@speedybure
@speedybure 2 күн бұрын
Grade should be D-, defensive liability, slow, can only produce on the PP, garbage.
@speedybure
@speedybure 2 күн бұрын
Hoffman Blows, he was terrible for the last 3 seasons, why waste any time on him?
@professorhockey
@professorhockey Күн бұрын
There might be a lot of players I review over the next month that you will say that about haha.
@prosperfireson
@prosperfireson 2 күн бұрын
Hey Professor, Actually...I got nothing. Zero. Zip. Nada. Negatory. hehe Pete Clovis, CA
@professorhockey
@professorhockey Күн бұрын
Yeah that’s not surprising, he’s a pretty nothing player
@prosperfireson
@prosperfireson Күн бұрын
@@professorhockey its tough to see any athlete at the end of their career when they are near the end. I remember when the Sharks acquired Bernie Nichols. Bernie had played during the run and gun 80's and had scored over 70 goals in a season in his prime. When the Sharks had him he was a shadow of that player and was basically an average at best 3-4th liner. Sound familiar?
@tacocruiser4238
@tacocruiser4238 3 күн бұрын
You will know the Sharks are no longer tanking when Grier starts going after top-tier free agents and handing out 7-8 year contracts. Right now, they are still dumpster-diving so the tank is not over yet.
@FutureConsiderations
@FutureConsiderations 3 күн бұрын
Seeing the roster build for this offseason. Especially the D. Some improvements but really nothing that’s gonna add many wins at this time. But lots of positives none the less. I’m all for it, similar to last year but with Wallman will put players into better positions. Moves everyone down one spot. Man I’m so for this build. Good insolation to the youth. But not tipping the scales. Or pulling a Detroit throwing lots of money to character/role players messing up the future needs. Imo shows good roster understanding and poise. Dont rush, like last year. You supplemented the youth and players like eklund, zetterlund, thrun, emberson. Showed noticeable improvement. Not all flourished, but as far as unfortunates. It was to me just zadina and Addison. Low price, higher value shots that didn’t work out. Not a big loss. But could have been big wins. Love the plays, even though they didn’t work out. As of today, little negatives to those moves. Keep it going. I’d take another shot when available on a boom or bust D they like. Or goalies like askarov if price is right. Or another whose place is blocked you can get for cheap. Just personal opinion, you can for most part purposely tank for some years. This year was an outlier. We were rock bottom. Just say we took the “tanking route next couple years”. But with the knowledge of how Grier’s worked so far. You’re getting very exciting top prospects. You’re getting good depth to guide the youth. To me, that is a recipe for success. Id expect big progressions as the youth enters the line up. Can’t say that now. As only Eklund on the team regularly of the expected next core. Not fair to judge longer term tanking with so little of your own future in the line up yet. Can’t tell me next year Mack and will won’t bring fans. Then Sam and others adding to the hype as years go on. Attendance should start to rebuild as the hype continues to grow.
@wakejood
@wakejood 4 күн бұрын
Great video again, good points all around. I am a newer hockey fan and watching your videos the past couple years has really helped get me into the sport as a sharks fan, thanks for making these! I am excited for next season!
@professorhockey
@professorhockey 4 күн бұрын
Glad you are enjoying them! I share your excitement for the next season
@aaronthompson2329
@aaronthompson2329 5 күн бұрын
Well said Professor. No way you want your top two prospects to start their careers in a losing culture.
@MattHockeyGuy
@MattHockeyGuy 5 күн бұрын
I said during a livestream of locked on sharks that I would rather have Hagens than Celebrini. Just saying, if they're just the right level of bad this season, the could have BOTH
@MattHockeyGuy
@MattHockeyGuy 5 күн бұрын
Altho Landon Dupont is a defenseman with exceptional status....
@professorhockey
@professorhockey 5 күн бұрын
Bold call, maybe they can win the lottery anyway
@melissarohwer9770
@melissarohwer9770 5 күн бұрын
They’re not going to have so many blowouts losses like 10-1 scores or losing by 6+ goals more than 10 times per 82 games.
@operasinger2126
@operasinger2126 5 күн бұрын
One or two more high draft picks could really round out this young core.
@TastyPotty
@TastyPotty 5 күн бұрын
Get a better mic, homie, damn.
@professorhockey
@professorhockey 5 күн бұрын
Working on it
@melissarohwer9770
@melissarohwer9770 5 күн бұрын
When the sharks will be a better team again like climbing up out of the bottom of the nhl standings (the basement)?
@-Lee-0312
@-Lee-0312 6 күн бұрын
We have to remember guys like Smith, Celebrini, Dickinson when he comes over. These guys are natural winners. Winning culture is so important I think it’s tempting to get worse but for the sake of development and morale it makes sense to get a bit better over time. The sharks already won the lottery once, they don’t necessarily need to again in order to build a serious threatening team down the line
@prosperfireson
@prosperfireson 6 күн бұрын
Hey Professor, Very good question man. I think you hit the nail on the head. The only thing I would add is the delicate balancing act that Mike Grier has to do. As you correctly pointed out we need top tier prospects to rebuild the team but, if the team is lack luster and falls flat again it could cost Grier his job. Somehow Grier has to do a two step and keep the Sharks in contention for a high pick yet provide hope and excitement right now. Tough balancing act but, I think you nailed it. Pete Clovis, CA
@DominicR-19
@DominicR-19 6 күн бұрын
It is going to get better from here I know that for a fact CELEBRINI
@aidanlongley8718
@aidanlongley8718 6 күн бұрын
Love your videos man. Despite it being a pretty rough half decade. You’ve kept me engaged as a fan. Can’t thank you enough. Go sharks!!
@TradingFeline
@TradingFeline 6 күн бұрын
Yeah there are zero reasons to tank again.
@melissarohwer9770
@melissarohwer9770 5 күн бұрын
I don’t think that the sharks nhl team is not going to be as horribly bad historically than they were in 2023-2024 nhl season
@melissarohwer9770
@melissarohwer9770 5 күн бұрын
Like less than 50 pts in 82 games for a 2nd season in a row. During that season they’re going to get blown out 10 or more times by 6+ goals including losing by a 10-1 or 10-0 score in one of those blowout losses
@zachhaist6426
@zachhaist6426 6 күн бұрын
If theyre smart they will be. Another top 5 pick is what they need. No need to rudh the rebuikd
@stevenvicijan4338
@stevenvicijan4338 6 күн бұрын
Intense start with that gusto. Immediately brings me back to all the years, bringing classroom experiences over the formative years: " Nuerduo ue te "
@swen1208
@swen1208 6 күн бұрын
They kinda have to in order to get rid of those trash contracts that they have but it'll be less blowouts compared to last year.
@salvadorreynozo504
@salvadorreynozo504 6 күн бұрын
Sorry you watched all 82 games. But, I appreciate your insights on the team that I love.
@damonmusha6504
@damonmusha6504 6 күн бұрын
I look at this from the lens of “who would we beat in the overall standings?” We will assuredly improve upon last year’s putrid team- but it almost feels inevitable that SJ, Chi, Ana, Phi and CGY will be the worst in the league with SJ probably at the bottom unless the kids light it up from day one and another team gets ravaged by injuries. I like Utah to make the biggest progression. Their young talent has enough experience to know how to win games and playing in a new city is gonna help their cause. I could see WSH and Vegas slip considerably. Vegas’ cap situation gives them no flexibility and they had a poor offseason. Considering that the Sharks have their #1 pick, hopefully it’s in the top 15.
@professorhockey
@professorhockey 6 күн бұрын
I agree with you on Utah, they showed some flashes last year (as Arizona) and they’ve made some big moves this offseason. Dark horse team there. Also agree on Washington, I thought they were a worse team than the standings indicated, and I was not surprised to see them swept in the first round. They’re currently giving me San Jose vibes with how they are hanging on to that mediocrity. If there is one thing I’ve learned over the years about Vegas, is to not count them out. When we consider the weak pacific division, as you mentioned with SJ, ANA and CGY, they could certainly still be a playoff team.
@damonmusha6504
@damonmusha6504 5 күн бұрын
@@professorhockey the seem to be determined to make Ovi a Capital for life which is ultimately going to tank them longer term. Pittsburgh could also be on that same trajectory. Vegas is the anti-Washington. They have had no problems sending out their vets and while it’s worked for them I suspect their streak of good fortune may be coming to an end. To compound their situation, they traded away their 25 and 26 first round picks! They may make the playoffs again but I see the regression beginning for them.
@ponyboy9765
@ponyboy9765 6 күн бұрын
What I’m hoping for is another year somewhat near the bottom for another good top pick, but hoping the team looks much more competitive. No 10-1 blowouts. Some nice tight 1 goal games and good effort. I think we’re still going to win our fair share of games with this group. Also don’t forget we have Vegas first round pick as well. They’re not nearly as deep as they were last season so if stone or eichle gets hurt they could bomb this season which would be veeerrrryyyy good for us. Just need to keep building gradually for long term success.
@professorhockey
@professorhockey 6 күн бұрын
You and me both! And the Vegas pick is also unprotected if I’m not mistaken, so who knows
@previnsnaidu1
@previnsnaidu1 6 күн бұрын
We are definitely going to be a bottom 10 team and probably a bottom 5 team but we will be a lot more fun to watch and I won’t be rooting for losses this year like the last 2
@lv42daze
@lv42daze 6 күн бұрын
folks just don't remember those cow palace days and link gaetz. they did a similar thing in late 90s
@kenjackson6256
@kenjackson6256 5 күн бұрын
LOL, I have a framed autographed photo of Jeff Odgers at the Cow Palace on my wall in front of me...
@metalmario1267
@metalmario1267 6 күн бұрын
Omg sir! 🥵
@seanhardin7220
@seanhardin7220 6 күн бұрын
Burns wasn't traded for us to fail. It was to help Burns potentially win a cup
@professorhockey
@professorhockey 6 күн бұрын
I think it was a win win in general. Burns gets a chance at the cup, Sharks clear up that contract + can tank easier.
@camc9225
@camc9225 6 күн бұрын
You've quickly become my favorite Sharks analyst. I am including those on TV 😅
@AlexanderRodriguez-oc2wf
@AlexanderRodriguez-oc2wf 6 күн бұрын
Proff is legit.
@hoochiemantwinkletoes
@hoochiemantwinkletoes 6 күн бұрын
Hey Prof, which pieces do you think will be part of the D-core in our competitive window (say 5 years from now)? You think Emberson, Thrun, Muk, and Dickenson would be a legit top 4? I know 3 are lefties and we haven’t seen Dickenson yet (or Muk much), but you think they can be counted on, or we’ll need to bring another piece?
@kenjackson6256
@kenjackson6256 6 күн бұрын
Excellent analysis once again, Prof. With that current defense behind you, the Sharks will be in the running for the most goals scored against next season...
@professorhockey
@professorhockey 6 күн бұрын
They led the league in goals against by far last year, they will compete for that title again for sure
@408vonripper
@408vonripper 6 күн бұрын
Next year draft suckz!!! so win baby!!!!
@408vonripper
@408vonripper 6 күн бұрын
The Swedz line is gonna dominate!!!! Playoffz!!! Playoffz? Yez Playoffz!!!! Go Sharks Go:)
@mukkman22
@mukkman22 6 күн бұрын
Great stuff as always! Last year was rock bottom, it's time to improve moving forward.
@jerryboss68
@jerryboss68 6 күн бұрын
Class dismissed Professor!
@kellenfoster7893
@kellenfoster7893 7 күн бұрын
I'm debating on if Smith and Celebrini get their 8-10 games in the NHL and then get put into the AHL. Letting their contracts slide for one season. I think it's one more season at the bottom before of the pacific before becoming contenders for a playoff push. So many 1 year contracts and short term-small cap hit contracts. I expect some trade moves and a signing or two for 25-26 playoff run. Someone like Kyle Connor, Alex Tuch, Rasmus Anderson, I like the Lund line together(ek-gran-zetter) Which puts toffoli-wennberg-bords(idk there) then on too kunin-sturm-dellandrea 4th line- PK klim-goodrow-bailey Love the content. Thank you for all you do.
@professorhockey
@professorhockey 7 күн бұрын
I would be surprised if that was the direction they took with either of those players. I imagine they wouldn’t have bothered signing with the Sharks if that were the case, and instead would have stayed another year in the NCAA
@SfGiantsRants
@SfGiantsRants 7 күн бұрын
More of the skill/points-obsessed analyst sharks fans overrating Thomas Bordeleau, who is an unmitigated disaster defensively. Defensive disasters like him need to be possession monsters to hide their poor d-zone play. Is that Bordeleau? No. He sucks. He's been overrated by the same faction of the fanbase ever since he's been drafted. He isnt good enough for a top 6 role and hed be hilariously bad in a bottom 6 role. Please learn how to scout. Kunin should never be in the top 6(and only was because of how bad the roster was last year) but if you think Bordeleau would be better than him on the 4th line you just don't know the game of hockey. Grier has had to purge all of Doug JR's useless small boi picks and Bordeleau will be the last one.
@MrVisde
@MrVisde 8 күн бұрын
Last year the Sharks insisted on giving Hoffman and Labanc a lot of opportunities in the lineup even though they were not going to fit into the bigger picture. Maybe that was a David Quinn thing?? I wonder what that means for the defense this year. Will the Sharks still give a lot of playing time to Rutta and Benning to possibly move them later at the deadline? Vlasic should be waived. He’s been checked out for years. Everyone knows it. Teams aren’t even calling about him because it isn’t worth the effort to clear cap space…he’s lost the fire to compete as a professional.
@professorhockey
@professorhockey 9 күн бұрын
Gonna leave a pinned comment here since many have pointed this out to me. Jan Rutta is a right-handed defenseman, not left-handed like I said in the video. That’s on me for not confirming that piece of info, and it does make it more likely that he plays over someone like Mukhamadullin. Lines might look something closer to: Ferraro-Emberson Walman-Benning Thrun-Rutta
@JasonMandell
@JasonMandell 9 күн бұрын
Rutta is a RHD. Interestingly, JD made the same error.
@professorhockey
@professorhockey 9 күн бұрын
Maybe it was said somewhere that he was a lefty and we both just ran with it without verifying
@Yojeytz14
@Yojeytz14 9 күн бұрын
Looks to much Like the Hockey Guy
@kellyactormosgoog
@kellyactormosgoog 9 күн бұрын
Jan Rutta is not a lefty. Rutta shoots right. He is a right handed shot. Mukhamadullin or Thrun will likely start in the AHL and be a call up just due to the plethora of left shots, and it would be better to give either 24 minutes of ahl time than 17 minutes of nhl time. Rutta will definitely be in the starting lineup if healthy, though.
@professorhockey
@professorhockey 9 күн бұрын
Yeah I address that mistake in a reply elsewhere. Considering that, you are probably right about Rutta playing, and it would almost certainly be Thrun > Mukhamadullin in terms of lineup choice.
@kellyactormosgoog
@kellyactormosgoog 9 күн бұрын
@professorhockey I think Muka is the better player, but I also think that's why he gets top pairing ahl minutes over bottom pairing nhl minutes. Similar to Bystedt or Musty, giving them top end minutes in lower leagues will be better for their development then low minutes in top leagues. Unless, of course, Musty makes it impossible to send him back to juniors
@gbruins
@gbruins 9 күн бұрын
Great analysis and did not pull any punches. Subscribed
@TheZenomeProject
@TheZenomeProject 9 күн бұрын
Correction: Rutta is, in fact, right-handed, so it is possible to run three pairings with a RHD on them.
@professorhockey
@professorhockey 9 күн бұрын
Huh, you’re right. I felt like I checked that at some point last year and saw he was a lefty who could play both sides, but maybe it was the opposite. That’s on me, my bad.