what a ramshack of a classroom from this pov. Good to know he's upgraded exponentially over the years!

55:37 A Moment of Performative Contradiction: Jordan Peterson says, "You shouldn't pick problems that are bigger than the ones that you can solve." And John Vervaeke, noticing this performative contradiction, replies, "I disagree with you on that; we are doing it right now!"

Hey man! These theories might be an insight to such people who don’t get what they want but they are never the solution. People who don’t get what they want just need to stop wanting. I’ve never ever in my entire life got anything g thing that I wanted. I just don’t try to want anything anymore because the moment I want it I wouldn’t get it. It’s kind of a curse

Hey man! These theories might be an insight to such people who don’t get what they want but they are never the solution. People who don’t get what they want just need to stop wanting. I’ve never ever in my entire life got anything g thing that I wanted. I just don’t try to want anything anymore because the moment I want it I wouldn’t get it. It’s kind of a curse

I was curious to see, on this feast day of St. George (23 April), whether I could find video footage of Jordan Peterson blithering semi-coherently about St. George, and I was not disappointed. Good heavens he looks significantly less haggard in this clip than he does now, doesn't he? His propaganda career hasn't been good for his health, not to mention his tranquillizer addiction.

Great conversation. Both have refined these ideas a lot in the last eight years. About 1.5 hours on did JBP start the 4 p’s?

To the person who posts this nonsense… Can you explain to me why you feel the need to present the ramblings of an obvious crank? Jordan Peterson is not a scientist of any stripe, he is not recognized as an expert of any kind even within the field of clinical psychology. His work is not referenced, he is not famous for anything other than lying about a federal bill within Canada. That being established… Why are you presenting his obvious bullshit as some kind of wisdom?

"If you give a man a fish you feed him for a day. If you give a man a rat you satisfy his rat desire" truly thought provoking... thank you mr peterson

John hit a good point 14:58

That last part about everything having a consequence is so dang thought provoking! I can see many examples in my life.

Thanks Mind Matters for posting this! Love him or hate him what he says makes a lot of sense. I like the long form posts for listening while driving. Helps keep me awake and learning.

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Peterson: "Maybe he's not too thrilled about that 'cause he's expecting a big pile of gold" Wikipedia: "The king was so grateful that he offered him treasures as a reward for saving his daughter's life, but George refused it and instead he gave these to the poor"

Excellent discussion thanks. 1:45:50 is essentially Sam Harris' argument.

Mind blowing 🫡🫡🫡🫡

It’s remarkable to me that this guy was given a professorship. But not surprising that the university didn’t want him and that Professor Bernard Schiff had to actually fight for him to get his position. What’s more is good old Bernard was right about Peterson’s lecturing style. It’s more like preaching instead of actually teaching. That’s all he’s doing here. He’s rambling. He’s not a biologist and he’s not an anthropologist and he’s not a very good psychologist either his reliance upon Carl Jung is childish to the point of being pathetic. And it’s interesting that he doesn’t seem to pop out some citations to demonstrate where he gets his information. But then again this is his lecture and it goes the way he wants I just… Find it rather strange that he seems to be… Making things up as he goes along and giving us basically his opinion. I would’ve liked to of taken one of his classes at the University of Toronto. I would’ve hammered him by asking for citations and referencing points for evidence. I’ve had some bad professors in the past, but this guy? He’s basically a well-dressed homeless man shouting at pigeons in the Park. If I recall correctly he was also an alcoholic for quite a long time. Not surprising because he fits the symptoms of being a dry drunk. Then of course there was benzodiazepine addiction which I found rather fascinating because… He being a clinician, you would think he would know how dangerous benzodiazepines can be. Isn’t he an expert? He constantly seems to remind the world that he is. That somehow… The danger of his benzodiazepine use flew over his head. And then of course there was a treatment in Russia. As a clinician, if I recall correctly, his specialty was addiction. Mini addiction experts would say that what he did was not only dangerous but also unethical. Is it possible that he didn’t want to face that he was a man with a weakness? His smug arrogance it’s quite obvious, even before he became known for lying about Bill C 16. That’s what I think is so strange about this man… Why lie about a law? And the years that I’ve been watching Jordan Peterson I’ve come to believe that he is highly mentally unwell. He’s a little more stable in this lecture but in other lectures I’ve seen and other interviews and appearances on television… He looks unbalanced. He can be an interesting man that makes some pretty good observations. But other than that? He would’ve been better off being a literature critic instead of masquerading as a psychologist. The very fact that this man, this man who seems mentally unwell and seems to live in his own head, was a therapist for far too long is disturbing to me. Jordan Peterson who seems to have an overly inflated opinion of himself, while also believing in some really fantastical things doesn’t strike me as someone that is capable of providing psychological care to the distressed. As of anything? He’s the one who needs not only psychological care but I think he needs to be committed.

This meaningful and significant conversation does afford people to participate in their lives in a meaningful manner.

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This is probably THE Most well crafted lecture I’ve ever had the pleasure to ENOY. informative, educational, engaging , captivating, and entertaining! Yes, entertainment; JP is an exquisite comedy writer with the good sense and beauty of timing. This is no small feat, given the complexity, dark nature difficulties of psychological conditions of humanity.

Huh... I came here to learn about St. George but the main thing I learned from this is Perterson used to be full of crap with small a gay mullet.

Vervaeke is the modern Socrates!

I AM FOR LE LIBERTIE OF DRAGONS TO EAT ENY FALSE PLAYBOY BLONDE AN SAVE MENS STATE OF MIND

JV makes JBP think hard and we are all better for it. JV showing his absolute class. Great to see these arguments articulated pre-AFTMC and After Socrates emerged.

I"m gunna have to find out what dressing Jordan puts on his word salad.

Crazy part is... Jordan wasn't fat back then.

WELL, THEN TIME TO GO GET DAD OUT OF THE LEVIATHAN, HUH??!!

SO, DIVINE CREATOR ITSLEF, FIRST STARTED BIRTHING ITSELF AND HAD WORLDS AND WORLDS OF ONLY ITSELF, AND AS I PROVE, THAT IS STILL THE CASE....BUT THEN DIVINE WANTED TO MAKE LIFE CONNECTED, BUT A BIT SEPARATE OF ITSELF SO THAT THE SEPARATED, STILL CONNECTED HAD THE RIGHT TO LEARN AND CHOOSE...MAKING A WORLD FULL OF SELVES AS DIVINE CREATOR IS LIKE PLAYING CHESS WITH YOURSELF, EVENTUAL;LY, IT MASTERED ITSELF EVEN THROUGH ALL ASPECTS OF ITSELF....IT CAPPED OUT AT MASTERY...BUT TO BE CHALLENGED AND ADDED TO BY THE EXPERIENCE OF SOULS MADE BEYOND ITS OWN SELF IS WHY DIVINITY CREATED LIFE PAST ITSELF...IT IS WHY YOU HAVE LIFE....

NO QUESTION, VALID CURIOSITY, IS INVALID....I WOULDN'T BE HERE IN THEI TIME WITH YOU, IF IT WERE NOT IMPORTANT, WHAT IT MEANS TO ME, ISN'T THE ISSUE, WHAT IT MEANS TO YOU, IS THE ISSUE....

SCIENCE OCCURED, BECAUSE THOSE THAT CAME TO VISIT OUR EARTH WHEN THE TIME LINES BEGAN TO COLLAPSE TOGETHER, THERE WERE IGNORANT BEINGS THAT COULDN'T UNDERSTAND THE WISDOM OF THE HINDU AND HEBREW AND NATIVE AMERICANS AND THEIR HISTORIES...GREEKS ABND CELTS AND AFRICANS EITHER.....HENCE THE SLAVERY OF THOSE THAT THEY FELT THREATENED BY.....SO WE HAD TO CREATE THE INSTITUTION OF SCIENCE TO TRY AND TAKE AWAY THE FEAR OF THE WORLD THAT THESE IGNORANT WICKED IDIOTS COULD UNDERSTAND THE WORLD AND NOT FIND IT SCARY, THOUGH OBVIOUSLY EVEN THAT HASN'T HELPED THEM, HUH???

SO, JORDAN PETERSON, I WOULD LIKE YOU TO GATHER THE QUESTIONS YOU WOULD LIKE AND OTHERS WOULD LIKE AS A BOOK, AS EPISODE THEMES....ALSO THERE IS THIS....IM TOLD BY DIVINE THAT I NEED TO SIT IN A GROUP, LIKE YOUR EXODUS GROUP, AS AN INTRODUCTION....I'M TO BE INTRODUCED IN THE TRUE OBJECTIVITY OF THE BIBLE, WITHOUT THE RELIGION SPIRIT INVOLVED, BUT IN A TRUTHFUL AND OBJECTIVITY....AND I TRUST HOW YOU THINK AND UNDERSTAND AND EXPLAIN, SO I FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THIS "OUTING" OF MY PHYSICAL BEING TO THE WORLD....AND I FEEL YOOU CAN BE OBJECTIVE AND ASK ME THE QUESTIONS I NEED ASKED OF ME, WITHOUT FLUFF....I FIND YOU HONRABLE AND FAIR AND IN DEPTH, AND INTELLECTUALLY SOUND...AND I NEED THAT SORT OF THING TO EXPLAIN THE TRUTH....

OH, NOW LOOK, AS I PROVE, I HEAR WHAT YOU ARE SAYING, AND I CAN MULTI-TASK....ALSO...WHAT ABOUT A BOOK, WOULD YOU WANT TO KNOW/// MAYBE THE REASON I HAVEN'T WRITTEN THE BOOK, BOOKS YET IS BECAUSE MAYBE IT NEEDS TO BE A DIALOGUE....LIKE "CONVERSATIONS" WITH HOLY SPIRIT....AND WHAT ARE THE QUESTIONS OF MISUNDERSTANDING THAT NEED CLARIFICATION THAT OTHERS HAVE....AND SOME OF IT IS THAT THE MAIN THEME OF THE BOOK'S BEGINNING, HASN'T QUITE HAPPENED YET, IN ORDER FOR THE BOOK TO TAKE SHAPE, THOUGH WE ARE CLOSE TO IT....THERE IS SOMETHING ABOUT THE CAUSAL EVENT THAT HAS NOT BEEN PLAYED OUT BY BOTH SIDES YET....AND THEN AUTOBIOGRAPHICAL CANNOT OCCUR UNTIL MY COPYCAT HAS BEEN REMOVED....AND THE SEPARATION OF THE TRIBES MUST OCCUR, BEFORE I CAN WRITE MY AUTOBIOGRAPHY....

Cop hater, the cop was conducting an investigation. The uncooperative motorist is a jerk like you… Mr. Miller could have been a pedophile or school shooter.. the police can investigate a complaint by the school…he was driving a car so he should have shown Id. Next time your a crime victim or in an accident don’t call he police jerk…you sovereign jerks are on your own…

Con boy peterson

angry little half baked sociopath

@1:41:10 gave me goosebumps. What a solid way to wrap up a conversation.

Anybody know the novel that Piaget wrote that Peterson mentioned at about 59:50?

STATE OF BEING AND LONGING(DESIRE) 1. blood sugar 2. water 3. carnality/reproductive drive 4. play 5. status 6. friends 7. meaning 8. material wealth 9. spirituality/existential grounding PLAY THE GAME PROPERLY - CONQUEST IS NOT THE OBJECTIVE - BECAUSE IT LEADS TO ALIENATION AND POWER IMBALANCE WHICH HIGHLIGHTS LACK OF RECIPROCITY - You want to be invited to play the largest number of games - Never win a game in such a way that makes you a loser at THE GAME of games (the meta game of life) WHAT SHOULD YOU NOT EXPLORE? ANSWER - the things you've explored before TRANSFORMING THE GAME MASTERING THE DOMINANCE HIERARCHY - WOMEN CHOOSE THE GUY THAT PLAYS THE META GAME BEST - Adapt or die - both psychologically and physically (+ genetically and memetically etc) CONFRONT THE UNKNOWN APPLY FOR THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN CONSISTENTLY AND REPEATEDLY INVENTING NEW RULES MEANS OVERCOMING STAGNATION AND DEATH - IT'S NECESSARY + KEEPS THE DRAGON OF CHAOS AT BAY - BECAUSE ENTROPY CONSTANTLY INCREASING SO YOU NEED TO BUFFER THIS IN A VARIETY OF WAYS "THE EXPLORATORY HERO RULES OVER THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN" - SHOUT IT FROM THE ROOFTOPS! SITTING ON THE FENCE = DEATH NO ONE EVER GETS AWAY WITH ANYTHING DON'T EVER MISTAKE YOUR STAGNATION/LAZINESS/FEAR FOR LOYALTY TO YOUR SELF OR LOYALTY TO EXISTENTIAL/PSYCHOLOGICAL FAMILIARITY - move, adapt, learn, fight, cultivate or die

He's breaking down occult secrets. HERO.

Pertersen can't understand nothing outside of his realm

John, you are an inspiration. Your passion and ability to translate these important topics to the current social and cultural landscape is a great contribution to the improvement of how we experience the world. I have much gratitude for you. Thank you

if you are in a perfect garden, you don't check out the snake. Because you put the meaning into; garden, perfect, snake. Meaning is what our organism metaphors into meaning. No man is an island except the Isle of Man. If you and your comrades are in a room with one seat, that seat is for the king. If you and your comrades are in a room with all the seats, then everyone has a seat.

After watching Peterson speak in many different discussion, I think I now understand why he talks so much. It's his way of assimilating and understanding what his interlocutor is saying. Teaching something is one of the best ways to test your understanding, and he developed a literal reflex based on this. Most people will introspect what they just learned, but he expels outward and his brain registers from the actual words he says. Quite fascinating.

He's Mister Know-it-all 🎶

I know many people will hate me, as good as Jordan's ideas are, but man sometimes I feel he should let people finish their thoughts, he can't resist interrupting (sometimes not always). Jordan is very good with monologues, he gets very deep with them, but John is outstanding at conversation, many of his conversations become a real dance between two or more people if he finds the right conversation partner.

Great thumbnail

yes, Love is the Meaning of Life, thank you for this video

Magnificent, detailed yet easy to digest. Love the functional/almost actionable nature of this talk