10-8 Performance Lab, Episode 56: Staccato 2011 Springs

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3 жыл бұрын

Hilton Yam of 10-8 Performance details the spring rate and maintenance schedule of the Staccato 2011 springs.
Spring Change Intervals: 1:00
Staccato P (2020-): 2:09
Staccato P (2018-19) w/Tool-less Guide Rod: 4:33
Staccato P (2018-19) w/Recoil Master: 5:14
Staccato C2/C: 6:28
Staccato XC: 7:34
Changing the Springs: 8:21
Mainspring: 9:36
Sear Spring: 10:54
Summary: 11:39
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Пікірлер: 61

@jeffshootsstuff 3 жыл бұрын

Don’t have a 2011, don’t have a 9mm 1911, still watch all your videos. No BS, great info, voice of experience. Saving up to try to take a class

@John1911 3 жыл бұрын

This is a useful video. I get questions about Staccato guns and have very little data to provide. I’ll just link them here. Regards, Marky

@jonnsmusich 2 ай бұрын

Thanks. Appreciated.

@russdennis7026 3 жыл бұрын

I would like to say again that I love my C2. Thanks for the video brother!

@pcb8639 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for this video. I just picked up a Staccato P to go with my C2 and was going to order backup replacement springs for both. Great timing. Thanks again.

@JCrew4uthatguntalk 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing this video!

@finalaccuracy7695 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for this. Just stocked up on springs.

@tymarkham3931 2 жыл бұрын

Great video brother thanks for the information 👍

@danduhman1955 3 жыл бұрын

Thx Hilton 👍

@ghostman3344 2 жыл бұрын

I love info...Thank you sir....great video !!

@RidersRange 3 жыл бұрын

It was informative, if not "riveting". I carry a Staccato C and just purchased a Staccato P (I LOVE both guns). I also have several STI 1911s, so this video was valuable. Thanks.

@GIO_RUBBLE 3 жыл бұрын

awesome thanks

@alexaguilar1121 2 жыл бұрын

Great information as usual from Hilton. IMO he is THE authority on 1911/2011 stuff ; whether it be training or all things gunsmithing. This guy is awesome, having bet him and train with him. Listen to what he is talking about and you will gain a wealth of information not available elsewhere.

@chrislowry6061 7 ай бұрын

I have a Staccato XC and I'm currently running the factory 8lb spring. I know that in your previous video on the Staccato XC, you stated that out of the 8lb, 9lb, and 10lb springs, you preferred the 9lb. Can you say what changed your mind from the 9lb to the 10lb?

@genericusernameforme 2 жыл бұрын

Does the inner spring on the 3.9" Recoil Master ever have to be replaced?

@1988victorsolis Жыл бұрын

Cam you post a video how to change the springs with the guide rod

@2011_stac Жыл бұрын

More info … I have a c2 with a cut down 7lb recoil Wolff spring. And just to put it out there, it doesn’t feed jhp, RIP or ultimate ammunition +p rounds well. So if you decide for a light spring I recommend 9lb atleast

@DHexcavation 2 жыл бұрын

What about the smaller secondary spring on the c2 recoil master? Never change it?

@oakwestplayer Жыл бұрын

Needing a recoil, and firing pin spring for a 4.4 staccato 2011. Are you sure the commander 9mm 1911 spring is what I’m after?

@nighthawk9264 6 ай бұрын

Do you know the standard weight for the Staccato R?

@SouthpawActual 3 жыл бұрын

Great content Hilton. Any plans to review the CHPWS plate for the staccato 2011s?

@EQ9962 3 жыл бұрын

Second that

@108Performance 3 жыл бұрын

I can do that. Probably overdue.

@pcp2522 Жыл бұрын

What if I have a C2 supressed? Should I get a 15 lb spring? I've had a few rounds not cycle

@JamesSrBaugh Жыл бұрын

What toolless guide rode assm. Do you recommend for Springfield Prodigy 4.25

@Saint0fPain 3 жыл бұрын

Can you use a commander-length one-piece guide rod as a replacement for the Dawson rod? Have you ever known that little lever to break or tie up the gun?

@108Performance 3 жыл бұрын

No - the reverse plug is a unique size, and that lever isn’t subjected to any stress. The round counts through guns with these systems is extremely high due to agency testing. No factor.

@milspecmike8440 3 жыл бұрын

I have a 2020 P that I’m running 880fps 147 grain ammo through and it started having constant stoppages on the second round of the mag (first round is cycled in manually). That same ammo ran fine in it with all but 2 of my mags last year (figured it was the mags). I have to drop the mag, cycle in a new round and it runs the rest of the mag fine, this happens on mags that were 100% reliable before and measure ok. Should I be swapping the lighter spring in? I’m using the normal spring which has about 1,500 rounds on it (if that).

@108Performance 3 жыл бұрын

Try the lighter spring and see if it makes any difference. Test each mag at full capacity - insert at slide lock, drop via slide stop. Reference the Feedway Testing video in the 2011 playlist here.

@robbie154 2 жыл бұрын

Does running the 10lb spring in the XC affect the reliability with various ammo weights? I love that I can run 115gr with the xc but hit the slide with my thumb and once kept it from returning to battery. Hoping the 10lb can help this.

@108Performance 2 жыл бұрын

Can't say 100% because every gun/ammo combo is unique. XC has an extremely narrow window for ammo/spring/lube/cleanliness.

@wintersguo8048 3 жыл бұрын

How the gun would behave when it's time to change the spring? I lost track of the round count, and I know I'm not close to 4k yet...

@108Performance 3 жыл бұрын

My gun stopped closing with authority and hitched during feeding. If you’re attentive you may also notice spring feels lighter.

@pjbiggleswerth8903 3 жыл бұрын

xtreme defender +p 90g gonna be my carry for the staccP, think the factory 13# spring will be 🤘🏼?

@108Performance 3 жыл бұрын

Try 13, try 15. See what works and feels better.

@WGH-ef5ze 3 жыл бұрын

The Staccato C2- Recoil Master 3.9 light 9mm is what came with the pistol - so NO “after market” recoil spring that allows me to change to a simple single spring without a Recoil Master system? Change 3-5 K, just buy a couple from the factory and keep on hand for the routine maintenance. ? Did I get that right?

@108Performance 3 жыл бұрын

Correct

@WGH-ef5ze 3 жыл бұрын

@@108Performance Much thanks for the info and your efforts in this area.

@ES_Competitive 2 жыл бұрын

@108Performance - are you sure about the 13# commander length spring for the 4.4in Staccato P? I called Dawson and asked about replacement recoil springs, commander length etc. They said the 4.4" Tool-Less Guide Rod uses a proprietary spring length and commander length would not work.

@108Performance 2 жыл бұрын

I'm only as sure as what we agreed to put out when I stood up the LE program at the STI/Staccato factory in 2019. That's the info that was getting put out officially at that time, and if Dawson decides different...then that's up to them. Honestly it's easiest just to buy the springs from Dawson anyway as they'll be 100% the same as what's in your gun.

@informational101 Жыл бұрын

I just checked the staccato website and your right it’s a tool-less guide Rod because I wanted to order one

@clausonmichael Жыл бұрын

Hey Hilton. My PD uses 124+P Winchester Ranger ammo. For practice we use Winchester white box 124. Should I change my recoil spring out for the heavier +P spring? I’m running the stock spring and am about 5-6k rounds in the gun.

@108Performance Жыл бұрын

I recall the white box 124 is stout as ball goes but not needing a 15lb spring. If you shoot the duty ammo in high volume you might want to change to the 15lb. Otherwise if it's occasional use of duty ammo, then you could split the difference and just keep the 13lb (stock) spring very fresh at 3k change intervals.

@dragthatsht 3 жыл бұрын

Do you think Gen 2 ODS Grip modules will ever be available again?

@108Performance 3 жыл бұрын

If the factory ever gets caught up with production, we can hope.

@adamreplogle8227 2 жыл бұрын

I'm probably going to get lampooned for asking this based on the firm tone in video regarding messing with the sear spring, but I'm gonna do it anyway. The trigger pull is a little heavier than I like on the staccato P and I was debating throwing on a cylinder and slide light pull sear spring. Supposedly it reduces pull weight by up to 1.5lbs. On a scale from 1-STUPID, where are we at?

@danielmattera4298 2 жыл бұрын

Depends on your use.. If you want to use it for duty/defense, I would say that's a bad idea, if you want to use it for competition or range use only, I personally don't have an issue. But I'm also not the master who made this video. LOL.

@ACGBLR 3 жыл бұрын

Can a C2 run 9mm with the heavy spring? Thank you for this information!

@108Performance 3 жыл бұрын

Never had a need or desire, haven’t tried. Depends on ammo.

@ACGBLR 3 жыл бұрын

@@108Performance thank you, I was just curious.

@jindrichstariat5821 2 жыл бұрын

Have you ever tried the wilson combat flat wire 4" spring kit, On the 4.15 staccato or the legacy 4" guns?

@108Performance 2 жыл бұрын

I haven't and I don't recommend using anything other than the factory recoil springs on the guns, especially given that the 4.15" is a unique length and there is no reason to change the timing or slide travel as would occur when using flat wire.

@jindrichstariat5821 2 жыл бұрын

@@108Performance Thanks, I don't know about the timing. But I don't think the travel should be necessarily afected. As the Wilson professional models are 4" guns as well, am I wrong on that? Brownells even lists the tactical 4.0 as compatible, and the 9mm spring is 13# also.

@108Performance 2 жыл бұрын

@@jindrichstariat5821 I'm telling you in simple terms - DO NOT USE AFTERMARKET SPRINGS in the Staccato. Flat wire springs offer increased slide travel due to being...flat...which then can affect timing. You don't need to attempt to outsmart the gunsmiths at the factory, just run the gun and replace worn springs. You will NOT gain anything from spring swapping.

@jindrichstariat5821 2 жыл бұрын

@@108Performance I get what you meant now. Thanks a lot.