I just realized that Loki’s throwaway line about how Thor came to earth explains where Himdal’s powers came from in Infinity Wars

Explain this one: In Captain America The Winter Soldier when we are shown Steves list, one of the items on the list is Star Wars. But if he actually watched all the Star Wars movies wouldn't he be a bit confused when he sees Mace Windu?

Additionally... 10 - Also, Whiplash's whips weren't just electricity. They were channeled plasma weapons. The suit was being burned. 9 - Rocket also might just not have cared. 6 - Thanos actually stands to gain 2 Infinity Stones, possibly 3. He probably knows the Eye of Agamoto is on earth and that the Aether can be accessed from there. Seems like a pretty good gamble-- other than trusting Loki, which never works. 3 - Technically, Tony just says he "fixes" Pepper. She might actually still have powers, but still, Extremis is dangerous stuff. Rhody is probably not cool with being injected with explosive nanites, particularly not immediately after the event when he still thinks physical therapy and non invasive technology might do the job. 1 - Bruce could actually control his powers in the second Hulk movie, just imperfectly. He can unleash the Hulk whenever he wants. He just can't AVOID unleashing the Hulk when something makes him lose his cool.

And also for number 7, in the first Thor movie, when Loki reveals Heimdall he snuck the Frost Giants into Asgard, he hints he managed it without the bifrost because there's more than one way between the realms, the Bifrost is presumably just the safe and most straightforward route. Besides if Loki could survive that goddamn fall into the ether and then in the next movie be on earth right as rain, I think we can accept that there's more than one path to earth.

Banner having full control of his hulk powers was shown at the end of The Incredible Hulk

Here's one I always hear people bring up, "Iron Man's suit can take a blow from Thor's Hammer in "The Avengers" but is broken into a million pieces when hit by a truck in "Iron Man 3".": Ignoring that these are, in fact, 2 different suits one has to remember that the ultimate purpose of the suits is to protect Tony in battle while also providing him with weapons and flight. When Thor brings the hammer down in "The Avengers" Tony is IN the suit, thus why it held strong to protect him. In "Iron Man 3" the suit is empty when it's hit by a semi. It stands to reason that without Tony inside the suit's main priority would be to reduce damage to itself. By breaking down into smaller pieces upon impact the suit would ultimately reduce the damage sustained by it's collision with the truck (also it wouldn't mess the truck up nearly as bad either, which goes along with Tony's preference of *not murdering* innocent people with his inventions).

For the plot holes about not being enough super heroes, you could've also mentioned how Ant-Man was a hero back in the 1980s, showing that, while he may have not been active, there's still potential of other superhero people. And for the one about Tony Stark detaching himself from his costume, this is echoed back again in Spiderman Homecoming, where he's trying to teach Peter Parker to become a better superhero and to not rely on his costume in the movie.

You forgot that Ant Man and Wasp were also active in the 60s

You know if you look at some of the evil plans villains had in classic Marvel, Zemos plan is pretty solid in comparison.

I know people tend to look at The Incredible Hulk as the black sheep of the MCU, but it is still canon. If you remember correctly, Bruce was went into hiding in Brazil and, while he was there, he was learning to meditate and control his aggressions. That, in turn, would allow him to control the Hulk. By the last shot of that film, I always assumed that he was able To control his rage and could transform into the Hulk at will.

The hulk "plot hole" was disproven in the Incredible Hulk when he is training to control the powers. The plot hole I want answered is in Age of Ultron, why does he suddenly need Natasha to calm him down when he has control over his powers!?! UPDATE: never mind, Ragnarok explained it!

Zemo's plan made perfect sense. I think the only problem is that in trusting in the intelligence of the audience, which the Russo brothers have always done, they forgot that some people just suck at thinking past two-three step plans. It's the plan of a man who was in a sort of special ops division, it's calculated and complex and relies on psychology as much as cause/effect and even if it hadn't worked out the way it did in the film, as the video said, he would have had a boatload of contingency plans to back it up. I'm pretty sure he just showed the tape right then to give himself a chance to escape, but if that hadn't happened, showing it to the public and essentially preventing Bucky from ever being free again, thereby discrediting Captain America to the general public for defending a cold blooded murderer, and breaking the Avengers apart anyway. Because it's one thing to know he was an assassin, it's another thing to see it on video.

Wasn't Banner able to control Hulk (sort of) at the end of the Norton film? He was meditating with flashy hulky rawr rawr eyes in the last scene.

another thing with Bruce "suddenly" being able to control the Hulk is that people forget The incredible Hulk with Edward Norton is actually canon. Even though they did an actor switch it is the same Hulk as Mark Ruffalo's Hulk. He learns to control it by the end of The Incredible Hulk.

People have addressed most of these but you missed the conversation that Tony has in Civil War that directly addresses him giving up being Iron Man in IM3. When he tells Cap that he and Pepper are "taking a break" because after he trashed all of his suits he was needed to help mop up Hydra... "...and then and then and then, I never stopped... 'cause truth is, I don't want to stop."

The Banner one gets on my nerves whenever I hear it. You have a character who's entire development is based around an effort to get his transformations under control but when that happens, people are unwilling to accept it because it is "Out of nowhere".

The iron man suit argument is easy, that was an auxiliary emergency suit at the start of 2. Thanos could have taken the stones from Loki at any time after he's knows Loki has them secured.

The real Civil War plot hole was the scene where Ross is browbeating the avengers and no one points out that in 2/3 cases, the government was the root of the problem.

I always saw the suitcase (Ironman) suit as a throwaway, not built as good as the other's. KInd of like the glove in civilwar.

For Whiplash's whips it's not really electricity anyway. They channel the arc reactor energy into them so they're basically just the same energy as Iron Man's repulsor blasts. As for other superheroes there's a *VERY* obvious pair missed out- Hank Pym and Janet van Dyne. Him as Ant-Man and Janet as the Wasp were shown to be part of S.H.I.E.L.D. and also the fact that S.H.I.E.L.D. was formed by the same people who worked on creating Captain America so superheroes were basically the whole reason the organisation exists.

I can't believe you missed it with Nick Fury "how could he know?" the biggest one. CAPTAIN AMERICA. Captain American had been around 60 years before.

Extremis shows up in Agents of SHIELD a fair bit, but it's dangerous as all hell and tends to make people go a bit crazy, not something you'd want to be relying on, methinks.

As an addendum to that last one, the final shot of Banner in The Incredible Hulk tells us that he is capable of controlling his power

Fury's comment about other heroes could also include Ant-Man as Hank Pym would have retired but he'd still have been around and he did work for SHIELD in the 80's... also anybody who only watches the movies might think the Avengers just happening to know where Hydra was keeping Loki's scepter and Fury & Hill miraculously showing up in Sokovia with a freaking Helicarrier ( both from Age of Utron ) could be plot holes but both are explained within Agents of Shield

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Just want to say I knew who Pollock was at age 8. I would guess that since his mother had cancer and seemed to be stuck in bed and in hospitals a lot she did things with her son that she could actually do. Such as listen and share music with him. It would not be a stretch for her to share art with him as well. I know some hospitals actually do have art magazines in waiting rooms and sometimes in rooms themselves to keep people occupied. After seeing the first Captain America film and the Original Human Torch Easter Egg. Retroactively I sort of wonder if Nick Fury wasn't also talking about Jim Hammond/Human Torch and Toro.

I just realised. Thanos wouldn't have had 2 infinity stones, if he took Earth.... He'd have had 4. Mind Stone Space Stone AND.... REALITY AND TIME STONES. Nowhere in the films does it say Thanos hasn't already had information on where most if not all of the stones are. He knows where they are. What if, this invasion coming in Infinity War, isn't his first, but his SECOND. What if, he intented in Avengers, to have Loki invade Earth, so that he can then take both the Mind Stone and the Space Stone, and THEN, he'd go and hunt down the Time Stone/Eye of Agamotto, and defeat the Ancient One, before entering the alternate dimension in which the Reality Stone is being kept and stealing that. He sent Ronan to get the Power Stone, so that's how he's going to get that, and as such the only other stone missing is the Soul Stone, which we have no idea where it is. And then, what if, Loki actually wanted to STOP Thanos. Hence why he wanted to bring the Avengers together. He always said he wanted the approval of Odin and Thor, and he wanted to prove he would be a good king. What could be more proof, than secretly infiltrating Thanos' crew, him being the biggest baddie in the universe, stealing his Infinity Stones, bringing together a group of heroes, and stopping Thanos from taking the universe. His manipulative cunning abilities, would have been shown to be what is necessary to take down the most evil guy in the universe, he would have been shown to have shown leadership, doing what is necessary to end Thanos, even if that meant acting like a Tyrant himself, and even if it meant the death of millions, (insert AoU omelette joke) and therefore he'd have proven himself to be more worthy of the crown than either Thor or Odin. Odin rejected war, even when it seemed the only option, simply delaying the inevitable, Thor on the other hand COURTED war to a point where when it wasn't necessary, he wanted it anyway. Loki would have shown to have used all and any means to protect everybody, and the universe. However, he was taken captive, and then sent back home. Not only that but Thanos moved faster than he anticipated to fix his mess. That's the only explanation I can give for why Loki wanted to bring together the Avengers. And I think it might finally be resolved in Infinity War. I mean, why else would he ALWAYS end up helping Thor, even when it seems like he's doing something against his character? This entire plan, seems to be the most Loki plan ever.

Also about the "Banner in control of Hulk" thing...remember The Incredible Hulk? At the very end, Banner meditates and willingly begins to transform into the Hulk(as evidenced by the bright green eyes and the smile before the cut to black). So Bruce Banner could control his actions as the Hulk waaaaay before The Avengers even began.

I think you can kinda see throughout the guardians of the galaxy movies that Earth pop culture makes it into many aspects of universal life. I always liked to think this was just a matter of different MCU aliens visiting earth and traveling back with goods. Even a less evolved civilization would produce some unique inventions sure to capture the attention of advanced cultures in space. I mean when humans "discover" a group of other humans who have remained isolated from the larger part of society we are always interested in what they do and how they live as well. I think its just the nature of thinking beings in general to be curious.

also Nick Fury knows abotu CAPTAIN AMERICA by that point, probably, especially since we don't know really know at what point Steve is unforzen

Also on the Tony Quits Iron Man thread, he breaks it down for Steve in CIVIL WAR. "I almost lost Pepper. So I quit. Then Hydra came back, then Ultron showed up, and then and then and then.... I can't quit, because the truth is I don't really want to." It was the whole reason he's not with Pepper anymore.

re: Nick Fury's "You think you're the only superhero?": There was also Ant-Man & the Wasp in the 80s.

There are a WHOLE LOT of implications that Loki was in fact .. under the mind stone's power, Thanos having used it on Loki, who was resisting it, and thus snuck it into the scepter as a means to perform constant control. The psychic guy is implied to have a connection to hte mind stone-similar to Wanda later and that is how he can abruptly call and cut off the call to loki as he pleases, as well as cause issues over long distances to loki. Looking at Loki's characterization in Avengers, vs his character in... every other apparence. He is so much more dull in Avengers, seemingly can not use any real magic that he could before or after. and.. as soon as he loses the scepter, and sustains a strong impact (hulk) he gives up and.. is all to happy to never ever work with Thanos again. or even see im again. More evidence by the fact he didn't send Thanos the Tesseract when he was Odin for 1-2 years and loki had absolutely no reason to really go after Earth in the first place either. We also know that Loki.. simply sees no point in trying to explain his side of things. He was named successor in the first Thor. right and proper. in Thor 2, he actually seemed rather content, and was quite willing ot help his brother-and for Odin honestly just seemed to want to know what his father truly thought of it him. Thor 3 he pretty willingly helps with it all. sans that one moment-which later speaking pretty clearly shows they both were kinda just going through the motions as siblings. and his stuff in Infinity War. Honestly.. its only in Avengers that he actually acts as a true villain or even as a murderer. Same as Hawkeye when under control. Skills were lessened, dullard persaonlity, regained themselves after impact. all of that implies that Thanos saw Loki as a strong pawn, but one that he didn't want to make into his family. but saw great opporutnity given Loki's memories of Earth and such.

It’s not a ‘plot hole’ but there is certainly a gap in the continuity between Loki falling from the Byfrost and him appearing in the Avengers

Great video. Refreshing to see someone using and stretching the facts in favor of the fictional plotlines instead of against. Would love to see more.

There's even more to Zemo's plan. He's actually a quite resourceful guy because of his former job as a squad commander, which explains how he knew to assemble the EMP bomb and that the Bucky prosthetic mask and flights around Europe probably came from former allies from the past, like people from the Sokovian government owning him favors. Also, Zemo predicting the Avengers screwing up and the Sokovia Accords isn't as unbelievable as people make it out to be - for starters, he didn't have to predict anything at all. The Avengers had already been causing collateral damage multiple times since 2012 as Ross points out in the movie itself, and it was very easy to figure out that after being directly responsible for the creation of a robot who destroyed an entire city, it wouldn't take long for the UN to go after these guys. That bubble would burst in three years max and sooner or later the government would step up to try to have better control over the Avengers. All Zemo needed to do was being ready for when it happened.

not going to lie I never knew/realized about Banner being able to control himself or that the infinity stone was the mind stone so thanks for the info

And captain America was set in the past, that’s another fury would know

people should make more video like this, very inspiring. I like how you explain how each of these movie are great, and how other misinterpreted the story. Thank you for this.

Anybody remember towards the end of the Ed Norton Hulk movie where due to his learnings from his breathing training in Brazil, he could already control his powers?

5: You people act as if the UNIVERSE just starts at Iron Man?! Like nothing happened before until it’s shown? That’s like saying, in THE Marvel Universe, Captain America didn’t fight in WW1 because there wasn’t a movie about it yet. Of COURSE Fury knew about prior hero’s because Iron Man was never actually the first. I seriously hope someone is smart enough to follow this.

This helped explain some confusion I had thx

This cleared a lot up for me, thanks!

But you will never be able to explain why Tony didn't remove the shrapnel in iron man 2 when he knew he was dying

The Iron man one is still a plot hole. He told a villain where his house is and his first decision was not to turn on the house party protocol?

I dont think anyone is stupid enough to think there aren't any other superheroes in the world before iron man. He's the first in a series of Avengers being introduced but this is the marvel universe being adapted pretty accurately with a few creative changes where hundreds of heroes exist well before iron man, Captain marvel for example. Ive never heard of anyone thinking this was a plot hole

Some of these plot holes bugged me for years so I'm glad you guys cleared all these up for us. Now I can watch the movies all over again with this new info about the films.

What I really like, is that the "I am Iron Man" thread continues into Spiderman Homecoming! Tony realized throughout his movies that he actually is Iron Man with or without the suit. (meaning he is a hero regardless of wether he has the suit or not). This is exactly what Tony wants to teach Peter in Homecoming, that even though Tony can give him a fancy suit with a bunch of gagdets and gizmos, its still Peter who has to be the hero at the end of the day. I love how brilliantly these movies are put together in a cohesive and logic way.

There was the original Ant Man, and the Wasp operating in the 80's, according to Ant Man too

Plus, Ant Man, Goliath and the Wasp has been around since the 80's and in contact with SHIELD. Fury would have been aware of them as well at the time of the first Avengers mention.

Hold up, if Banner can control his hulk powers and transformations then why does he need black widow to sexy talk him into calming down? Or can he only control turning into the hulk and once he's the hulk his control is limited?

For number 1, we also see Bruce apparently able to see him "activate" his Hulk ability at the end of the Incredible Hulk film, which the events of that film are canon.

Why did tony wait so long to remove the shrapnel from his chest? It seems like that could have been done a long time ago

Too many of these are releted to Iron Man 3.

Those explanations were great especially the Hulk stuff with Banner controlling his powers in one movie and then seeming to lose control in the next, but as you say this is down to circumstance and the infinity stone influencing his behavior, it is a shame these kinds of explanations can't be better told in the story as it is so frustrating to have these burning questions during the film when you just want to sit and take it all in, but hey it is what it is, and it always a good thing having these video channels to clear the air as it was not that long ago before the internet us simple folk would just have to sit and wait for news via a magazine or special comic release... LONG LIVE THE MCU!!!!

Thanks for clearing up the Iron Man 3 “retirement” one I’d wondered about that for a while now

Zemo’s plan totally made sense ,..what fucked it up was that letter from Capt. to Tony at the end of the movie... basically negating all of the stakes of Civil War.. I am hoping that at that time, both Tony and Capt. were aliens ala Secret Invasion... however ,if that’s not the case; then that was a bad way to end that film , which was a perfect film before that UPS letter scene.... which because of that mistake...means the film for moi goes from an A+ to an A- maybe even more so a B+.

Zemo's plan makes more sense than the Joker's plan in Dark Knight. Yeah. I said it.

Great vid, learned a lot

Zemo's plan was brilliant and I consider he's one of the best MCU villain playing by one of a very good actor.

If Thanos knows / can sense the stones Earth is the perfect target. As of Doctor Strange we know that at least 2 stones have been on Earth a long time. The tesseract and the Eye of Agamotto (the time stone). So for the loan of one, don't think for a second he'd let Loki keep it, he may get access to 3 (the scepter and the 2 others.). Some have also pointed out that the battle was before the convergence in Thor 2, meaning an Earth under his boot may have made it easier to get another stone in a year or so.

The problem with the Extremis plothole is that it's hinted that Tony Stark solved the "people blowing up" problem. That whole throwaway line of "I almost solved this drunk 20 years ago" was specifically added in for this. Basically, Tony perfected Extremis, and it's never used again. That is the plothole.

I never actually thought about the Hulk plot hole like that. Makes perfect sense now that you explained it

Strange was mentioned in Winter Soldier too :)

Based on The Sokovia Accords, Spider-Man should've been arrested when he decided not to join The Avengers.

I got grounded by this video because she asked me what my favorite holiday was i was to busy watch this and said 911

I know this video is old but for anyone who may be wondering. Zemo intentionally calls the hotel maid lady and has her enter the room. Zemos intention was obviously for her to find the body of the psychiatrist, which leads to there being a news report on it for tony to see.

Finally I can say you guys did a good job

First time being first!

Uh oh here come the "marvel is for kids" silent minority.

I watch old Ben Potter videos to hear his catchphrase. I thought it was good times honestly. I dig "growth" and the new thing you do at the start of your videos with the echo voice tho. That's fun

Great list. Finally someone on the internet with a brain and that has actually been paying attention to the movies. I want to add to the last last spot on the list that we are also shown in that "Sort of Hulk movie" (2008) that Banner finally through meditation and what-not learned to bring out (and possibly control) the beast at will, furthering the point that he can in fact control it through-out all of Avengers 1 and 2. The only exceptions are the time in Avengers 1 and then again in Avengers 2 where outside forces are affecting his mind (Loki's scepter and Scarlet Witch) which forces him to lose control and transform into a mindless beast.

This channel = Marvel apologists and Dc haters

what culture be like:" plot holes on DC: DC sucks, burn Zack Snyder." "plot holes on Marvel: they are not plot holes, it's on purpose, Marvel the best"

General comment about Iron Man 3: the movie is basically a framed narrative, told in past tense by Tony Stark to Bruce Banner. Therefore, you could technically discount any of it as being non-continuity, because it's Tony telling a story, instead of us seeing events unfold in real time.

Thank you for this video🙏

Thank you so much plot holes keep me up at night lmao

I hope the movies explain that Odin and Asgard is the reason Thanos didn't act until they were gone. 1, that's why he sent Loki to Earth instead of going himself as sending an Asgardian like a recently fallen prince would likely avoid the full military response of Asgard. 2, he couldn't go to Nidalvalier until it lost the protection of Asgard. 3, he waited until after Hela destroyed the entire Asgardian army, Thor lost his hammer, and Odin and Hela died. 4, Xandar was not part of Asgardian protection so he went there first in order to overpower the remains of Asgard with the Power Stone so that he can aquire the Space Stone allowing him free instant travel to the remaining stones. I also like to think Tony blew up Thanos's first ship when he threw that nuke at the Chitari in Avengers 1 this delaying his actions and proving Earth was a tougher job and required a larger force and or more powerful force to conquer it, which is why he seeks it out in a full on assault last. The attempted to relcaim the Mind Stone and to also claim the Time Stone were both done in small groups as surprise attacks.

I’ve literally gone head to head with anyone who tried to say there are plotholes in these movies, it’s so simple to correct them.

The whole 'Banner controlling his powers' bit was also covered in the Incredible Hulk where Banner (Ed Norton's version) is seen beginning a transformation while meditating with a smile at the end of the film

A theory I heard was that the Hulk doesn't only appear when Banner is angry, It appears when his life is threatened he even says "I put a bullet in my mouth and the other guy spit it out". The reason he lost control on the Heli-carrier is he was taken by surprise whereas later he controls his transformation and keeps his rationality

Hulk learning to control his powers was also a teased thing at the end of Incredible Hulk when Edward Norton is shown throughout the film learning how to meditate and control his aggression.

This is what makes what Tony says to Peter in Spider Man: Homecoming even more powerful " If you are nothing without the suit you shouldn't have it."

1. It was also shown in the post credit scene of the Hulk with Edward Norton, which is official given the addition of Thunder Bolt Ross in Civil War, he was meditating and his eyes glowed green with a smile, showing he has had control for a decent time

The house party protocol not being active before tony house got destroyed was that Tony had gotten arrogant and did not expect that the ten rings(actually AIM) would dare to attack his house so quickly.

Also, in the Incredible Hulk movie, in the post credit scene, you can see Banner (Edward Norton) meditating. His eyes suddenly become green, meaning he was actually meditating to learn how to control his power, and succeeded.

2. Tony said in Civil War that he blew his suits up, but started again with building the suits because he didn't want to stop. It caused a rift between him and Pepper and it was the reason why Tony wanted to sign the accoords too. He said that when speaking to Steve Rogers. However in Spider-Man Homecoming they announce their engagement (since Spider-Man refused the offer to join the Avengers).

I always saw it as Banner may not be able to always prevent himself from turning into the Hulk. But at the end of Ed Norton's movie, it is shown that he can turn into the Hulk at will whenever he wants.

Too many people think they are geniuses and think they've outsmarted the writers. This is a good video.

The part where Fury tells Tony that he isn't the only superhero in the world, he could also be counting Captain America. While the movie itself came out much later, it must also be remembered that it takes place in WW2 and that Fury is a former Howling Commando. While he may have never worked with Steve himself, he would have heard the stories. Fury may not have known that Steve was still alive, (if frozen in ice) but it still would have been a point that it shows that there have been superheroes before Tony became Iron Man that Fury knew about.

Honestly love this video

I didn't even know why number 1 was ever considered a plot hole. It was pretty much explained throughout the movie. The constant questioning of hulk and his ability to change by natasha and tony was setting up the big reveal at the end that his secret was that he has control over his powers, and has done since the incredible hulk (which even implies at the end that he full control anyway).

Another aspect on point #4: Zemo wanted to destroy all the other Winter Soldiers - it wasn't just about destroying Stark and the Avengers, but making sure there were no more 'enhanced' individuals.

I think the "Dark Energy" thing also had a mention in Thor: The Dark World - the Dark Energy is apparently a thing from Malekith's world/realm and the fact that Odin used it to send Thor to Earth to bring back Loki gave Malekith his chance to break into Asgard and get revenge on the Asgardians. Kinda makes you wonder just how desperate Odin and Thor were to get Loki back if their best option was using an evil power that would end up giving them another problem.

3:08 it is also explained in detail in one of the tie in comics. I think it’s the Thor: The Dark World Prelude.

Thanks for making this vid. People are too quick to call everything a plot hole when there's usually an explanation.

No. 9. Quill's knowledge of Jackson Pollack's work is easy to explain. Awesome Mix Volume 1 (and later Volume 2) were Meredith Quill's way of sharing the music that she loved with her son. It is plausible that she shared more than just music with him, she probable also shared the art and artists that she liked, such as Jackson Pollack.

The plot hole is that rocket understands the Jackson pollock reference, but in reality he doesnt. Wow great job on that find

Also, the Hulk one makes sense for other reasons. The Hulk is always bubbling under the surface. Banner is at the point where he just lets it out. When he says "I'm always angry", he's not lying. Ruffalo is pretty much seething in every scene he's in.

Good video. Gave a decent explanation for Tony’s retirement issue between Iron Man 3 and Avengers 2. But there’s a better one. Hydra. When It was uncovered that Hydra infiltrated SHIELD, Tony came out of retirement. He says so in Civil War (I think it’s in civil war)