*Hew-mons, lol

joe I actually thought that would be the scene they were going to use. Sci-fi is not about the aliens, it is about how humans behave in alien environments and situations and along those lines, I thought Quark's accurate observation was classic trek darkness.

@@jasoncrane1928 it was the most accurate description of humanity and it wasn’t made by a captain or Q.

@@joen0411 Eh, it kinda WAS made by a Q: Q...uuuuark.

@@Sephiroth144 I stand corrected :)

Best episode of the series imo

The most important part of that whole quote is what he didn't say, or rather, he didn't do: he didn't drink to it.

Computer, delete log entry!

@@Revz8bit best episode of star trek period.

@@yougosquishnow yeah, I'd agree with that also. 👍

Meanwhile Garak is there to put things in perspective after Kira immediately expresses regret for saying that: "Damar has a certain... romanticism about the past. He could use a dose of cold water. [...] If he's the man to lead a new Cardassia, if he's the man we all hope him to be, then the pain of this news made him more receptive to what you said, not less."

Yup, that episode is my favourite. It truly catches one of the main themes of DS9: can a society truly change past its mistakes? Which is quite a meta question considering that what is truly being questioned is if Humanity can truly evolve into the humans we see in Star Trek or if it will be stuck looking more like cardassians, ferengies, bajorans or romulans

​@@TheYakusoku It was definitely the right move for them to put Garak there. It allowed Kira to say the harsh truth, and then apologize but have Garak reinforce it.. If she hadn't apologized.. she comes off as a reprehensible person (Taking a dig at someone about their family dieing? yikes). But, if she does apologize and there isn't a third party to reinforce the statement, it looses it's impact.

@@jemal999 j

Life imitating great art. Remember that for the majority of neutral Ukrainians the war started in 2022 - not 2014.

The Kai committing suicide like that as a message really showed DS9 was different than TNG or TOS.

Actually, really good points. Occasionally, they do make a part 2 to their videos.

I agree, I winced on a recent rewatch as I forgot that happened

That one physically hurt me.

It's definitely up there. I'd say him breaking down talking to Vic in "It's Only a Paper Moon" would beat that moment though.

The thing is, we'd heard that high pitch scream before. We'd heard both Quark and Rom make screams just like it, but any time they did it, it was treated as a joke, just more silly Ferengi Hijinks. This time, it was a young man, barely an adult, with his whole life in front of him, just saw two people shot dead in front of him and a hole blasted through his leg. Suddenly, that scream wasn't so funny any more.

@@weldonwin This! This is why it hit so hard! It's the double subversion of something that's supposed to be a humorous mockery of a real cry of pain, but in this setting it's just a REAL cry of pain.

Dawg...

Not mine, he was raised by a cat, and thinks he is a cat.

That's harsh! DS9 had loads of lighter episodes and moments.

@@ianwilliams2696 i get that, there were tons and tons of great episodes full of humor and lighthearted content... But on the same token i feel (personally) that the dark was darker and the heavy was heavier. And when compared to the rest of the other shows, DS9 was far and away more geared in that direction. Not so much a criticism as it was a humorous observation. Or not. Maybe im bad at humor. No way to tell, really.

It's like asking "How many Communists does it take to change a light bulb. Answer? All of them, they lack the imagination to do anything independently!"

One reason is usually enough for me to just plow through all seven seasons AGAIN lmao

She should!

Make it so.

Agreed. I remember writing it off as a kid because it was on a space station, and not a ship. Finally watched it in my 20s and after the 3rd season, I was hooked. It became my favorite st series.

Brilliant!

Of course, if he had allowed the events to run out as planned the Dominion would almost certainly have destroyed the federation without The Sisko around to talk the prophets into cutting off reinforcements.

Yeah that ending fucked me up a bit lol, usually I just go on to the next episode but that one made me call it a night and I had to sit and think on it lol

Well the only good part is that it wasn't our Odo. He would probably do that too, but the Odo directly responsible died.

One of the people who did worse was that alien in TNG who removed an entire species from existence, but in a way it doesn't feel worse because we have no emotional attachment to that character. Things hurt worse when someone we care about does it.

Oh that's just VILE! I love it!

Nurse Rached lives!!! 😳

@@christopherkraft1327 There are many times during DS9 when I expected the next line of dialog from Kai Winn would be: "Conductant".

Nurse Ratched? Love it!

And it would be then Brother Benny would have put that nurse in a chokehold (like Jack Nicholson did) and calmly ask, "Who's "colored" now?"

A literal narcissist. They are frightening to see in real life, and just as utterly certain of their own goodness.

That one broke me down!! You nailed that one!

She was right.

You knew it was bad because he took his baseball out of his office.

This is what I expected to be in the top 2

Yeah that should have been on the list. That and nob losing his leg and gul ducat starting a cult on empach nor and knocking up one of his followers then throwing her out an airlock to hide it

@@yougosquishnow Let's not forget his attempts to "Jonestown" that cult.

*coffee, double strong, double sweet*

Whiskey, single malt, from the highlands...

Ah, so true. 🥺😢😖

Even in the baseball episode, an episode that was supposed to just be everyone having some fun, O'Brien must suffer!

@@qwilliams1539 I mean, they didn't cut the O'Brien nutshot... they were trying to give him a break.

He definitely has been Blessed with a God-like voice.

There was a comparison I ran across once that compared Star Trek and STNG to Wagon Train, and DS9 to Gunsmoke.

There is also an episode that shows the early enthusiasm of war that I found great. Nor heroes, nor villains, just different cultures feeling that adrenalin rush in different ways. I remember Damar saying something like: "first we reclaim Terok Nor, and then, off to Bajor" in that episode

SO should have been the federations reaction to it

How else do you think he became the most important person in Starfleet history? Clearly he became a staunch advocate for rigorous mental health support, eventually revolutionizing quality of life throughout the quadrant!

O'Brien already had PTSD from the Cardassian war

@@robinstigator So the question is how does PTSD stack? Is it double PTSD or is it PTSD squared?

@@PamIsley314 probably squared! exponential trauma!

I could watch a whole show about garak and bashir

@@yougosquishnow for me it would be Garak in his Obsidian Order days. They could have at least given us a flashback episode.

Garak giving advice to Kira while they were behind enemy lines during season 7 are some of my favorite moments in that season.

Vic Fontaine was one of the best sci- fi characters ever . A combination lounge singer and therapist holodeck creation.

but thank god it had a happy ending and someone who actually cared for him enough to help him get back on his feet so to speak. Thing is with the O'Brien episode is that he got an unfair trial, without getting a word in, imprisoned despite being innocent and then causing his prison friends death and worst of all is that no one can understand or sympathise with him becuz not a day has passed and his memories and PTSD of living 20 years in hell will always remain. Its not just that he went through hell but that his experiences are completely undermined by the fact that they're implants, there's no physical evidence what he went through. I just have to think in my mind he eventually got a memory wipe which shows how he's back to normal the rest of the series.

What TOOK you so long?

@@DMSProduktions Too many other shows.😂

@@MikefromTexas1 OK!

Gul Dukat did nothing wrong

I remember Garak going nuts on the other cardassian station with the salvage crew. That, and I think you're talking about his withdrawal with Bashir, and fights with him and has a seizure? Anyways I love Garak. Character was too well that I got spoiled.

Andrew Robinson was fantastic in every scene throughout the whole show!

@@sarahkinsey5434 No other show in the franchise gave every last member of the cast an opportunity to put on a master class in acting.

​@@badladyami Even Morn? Specially Morn!

"I hate Ferengi."

GUL DUKAT DID NOTHING WRONG

Moments too dark for a darkest ds9 moments video

". . . [T]he depths to which even the good guys will sink to in order to achieve victory." This mistaken in a vital sense. Suppose you are a soldier (or a civilian for that matter) and you are faced with making existential decisions, not just about yourself, but which can damage or kill every one around you and threaten even your nation's very existence. Survival and victory are profoundly different things. For example, at the moment Russia is striving for "victory" in Ukraine, while Ukraine is struggling for survival. The purposes, and "victory conditions" are profoundly different for the two sides. Even within a particular constrain you can encounter scales of necessity defined by personal stances. One contrast you can make is between Garak and Sisko here. Garak is unabashedly pragmatic, driven primarily by his own survival, and a realistic evaluation of how the Federation, Bajora, and Cardassia would treat him. Critically, he must protect DS9 simply because of all the refuges available, only DS9 will accept him with few questions. So, he is absolutely on the side of DS9 "within limits." He's neither brave nor heroic in any epic sense, but like Odysseus, he is a cunning man and does whatever he must to maintain things as best he can. Sisko, has a far greater responsibility he has accepted. He is first, a Star Fleet officer, sworn to up hold what ever it is Star Fleet officers are supposed to owe duty to - presumably the Federation. Second, he is in absolute charge of a space station and the welfare of every one on it. He does not have the latitude of stepping back and saying, "that would not be right/moral/ethical. We'll all just have to die." He cannot. like Socrates, stick to his personal principles and suffer the consequences, and even Socrates made the choice between his principles nailed to the mast and his family's welfare. Socrates' choice did affect others. But where Garrak would not think twice about taking actions we would consider questionable, Sisko is faced with the sharp divide between upbringing and ideals, and duty. He concludes he can live with it, but Garrak never even would have to think about this.

Top Ten Times O'Brien was figuratively kicked in the nuts.

Which ones were they then? Not trollin', genuinely asking - as a DS9 fan :)

I agree, because DS9 overall dark & war tone didn't click with me. War never does, some current war movies catch my interest only because of the relatability as a veteran. But to focus on the darkness of space (I know it's their but TV is a escape for me, not to watch dramatic events that are personal triggers) and lean heavily into it... I see why people love DS9, however the tech was meh (I do love the holosuite that knows it's a holosuite) and I'm more a fan of tech & exploration

Title would be "The Only Three Uplifting/Inspiring moments in Deep Space Nine"

@@JaredLS10 😂😂😂 Does that include the Baseball episode?

Do a video on 10 best Odo episodes

Absolutely - I second this request whole-heartedly :)

Pff Bashir and Garak is where its at. Apparently Garak actually played the character as having feelings towards Bashir so it would be very appropriate for the list!

Garak and Bashir... wait, you said NON-romantic?

I'd like to add Paris and Kim.

McCoy and Spock....yes I said it.

with Sisko punching Q for seasoning...

Sure, but Garak's desire to return to *his* people was why he agreed to do it at all. This common ground created a charming but severely messed up bond between them.

True, but Garak kept that to him afterwards

In Sisko's defense he told Edington exactly what he was going to do before he did it. The Maquis just assumed he was bluffing.

@@Walexander3243 True, but he still did the deed and made that planet uninhabitable for years all for a personal grudge. How he got away with it without StarFleet taking any notice is beyond me, I'm pretty sure they're complacent with his actions.

Science fiction is rarely supposed to be realistic. And calling Star Trek as a setting realistic is rather laughable. Often science fiction is about what we want to happen, what may happen if we work hard enough. A-holes in space was certainly NOT what I ever watched any fiction for. I want good or at least good-ish guys, not shades of greys like modern politicians. As amazing as the writing was for DS9, that is why I could not rewatch it.

Socialism/communism can only be a utopia if you have replicators.

It wasn't just revenge, Eddington was using bioweapons to make Cardassian colonies uninhabitable by said species. But everyone else on the Defiant looking around like "wait....we're REALLY going to do it?" was pretty rough.

it wasn't really dark. Just harsh. he didn't hurt anyone. he made it so they couldn't stay on that planet anymore.

@@Bwleon7 There would have been people who refused to move "because it's their home", there would have been people who couldn't evacuate in time, rest assured, Sisko murdered innocent people in that episode.

@@Torquemadia They were nomads before, no one would have done any of that. You try too hard

@@OhNoTheFace I'm guessing you have not met many people.

Tony Todd in another great ST performance.

I always tell people about this episode when I want to point out really good writing. It was mesmerizing to watch.

Epiphany* Your point is good, but god damn it, you're on the fucking internet. Spell check.

The conclusion is certainly ambiguous but the fact that you can't see the ep ending beyond face-value really is worrying

Specially after, you know, 2003.

Except doesn't Duet's story rather conflict with that?

especially when Dax points out to him that he is arrogant if he thinks he can find a cure in a week.

@@amandamills4133 the moment he realised he couldn't help is crushing television. But good

Meh, less dependant on Ketracel white than being genetically-engineered to obey (DS9 S4/E04 - Hippocratic Oath)

Kira was really, really bad at her job.

I've got nothing against Seán, but I would honestly like Adam Clery to narrate most parts of my day lol

The Surfshark ad that started up recently has Adam explaining he's working behind the scenes of WhatCulture and their partnership with Surfshark is a part of that, leaving him little time to get in front of the camera (though he recently did the video on the new Star Trek movie).

Would like to see more of Marcus in these. Variety is good for basically watching clips of a show we have all seen dozens of times.

@@ViroVV Agree. Sean has improved, he came off as somewhat emotionless in his earlier videos, but even now when he's better, it's still nice to have other voices. Especially since Sean is doing pretty much all the WhoCulture videos and some WhatComics videos as well.