A History of the Borg

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In this special episode, take a tour of the history of Star Trek's most intense villains, the Borg, by teasing details out of Trek canon.
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The Best Of Both Worlds, Part 1, TNG, 1990
Star Trek: First Contact, 1996
Collective, VOY, 2000
Star Trek: Generations, 1994
Child’s Play, VOY, 2000
Stone Age hand Axe Shaped By Complex Brain, Emory University KZfaq Channel, 2015
I, Borg, TNG, 1992
Endgame, Parts 1 & 2, VOY, 2001
Blood Fever, VOY, 1997
Dragon’s Teeth, VOY, 1999
The Matrix, 1999
Star Trek: The Motion Picture, 1979
Endgame, Parts 1 & 2, VOY, 2001
The Emperor’s New Cloak, DS9, 1999
The Forge, ENT, 2004
Twilight, ENT, 2003
Exile, ENT, 2003
Think Tank, VOY, 1999
Homestead, VOY, 2001
Hope And Fear, VOY, 1998
Scorpion Part 1, VOY, 1997
Maneuvers, VOY, 1995
Drone, VOY, 1998
Dark Frontier, VOY, 1999
Mortal Coil, VOY, 1997
Survival Instinct, VOY, 1999
The Omega Directive, VOY, 1998
Regeneration, ENT, 2003
Rivals, DS9, 1994
The Raven, VOY, 1997
The Neutral Zone, TNG, 1998
Emissary, DS9, 1993
The Best Of Both Worlds, Part 2, TNG, 1990
Descent, Part 2, TNG, 1993
Unity, VOY, 1997
Unimatrix Zero, Part 2, VOY, 2000
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Threshing of Grain in Ancient Egypt, taken and uploaded by Carlos E. Solivérez, 2006
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Confessin’
John Deley
KZfaq Music
Dubstep Light
Jason Shaw
Rhythm Changes
John Delay and the 41 Players

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@jaanzi4347 4 жыл бұрын

The Borg weren't so bad until they assimilated a Ferengi and learned about the Rules of Acquisition.

@mikiroony 4 жыл бұрын

That'd make for a lousy drone...

@christopherking6246 4 жыл бұрын

@@mikiroony Iunno, Ferengi are very creative, and creative solutions can be helpful to the collective. Plug, they do have large brains, even if not used for the most intellectual pursuits. They do have technology comparable to the Federation, though (albeit, most likely due to trading).

@rsajay6256 4 жыл бұрын

The Rules of Acquisition may have been a contributing factor to the sometimes slow rate of assimilation, as some were quite contradictory. For example Rule 42 iirc states "War is bad for business", but the next rule states "War is also good for business" Way to throw an AI for a loop LOL

@LnPPersonified 4 жыл бұрын

@@rsajay6256 I thought one rule was "War is good for business" and the next was "Peace is good for business". I think the underlying philosophy is that there's never a bad time for business.

@dragonchr15 3 жыл бұрын

@@Mr_Snek a bargain!

@BalooSJ 2 жыл бұрын

The scary thing about the Borg is not that they are the opposite of the Federation. It is that they are a *dark mirror* of them. Both cultures are about meeting others, learning things about them, and ideally incorporating that culture into their own. The Borg are just somewhat more direct about it, and don't give their targets any choice in the matter.

@Trekspertise 2 жыл бұрын

Exactly. Well said.

@stevencoardvenice 11 ай бұрын

The borg seek perfection

@c3920 7 ай бұрын

Nailed it.

@the.youtube.of.sam.gotter 7 ай бұрын

That's really good. Here I was thinking they were just space zombies

@paulhunter6742 7 ай бұрын

You have read my mind, Resistance is futile😊😅

@nolaanderson8770 2 жыл бұрын

the Borg are going to assimilate species logarithmically - slower at first, faster later on as their technology & numbers grow. You cannot estimate their age with straight-line growth. In other words, it probably took over 100 years for the Borg to assimilate their first 3 species, as they started with only their native skills and very small numbers.

@skyletwings5711 2 жыл бұрын

I guess you mean exponential growth. In logarithmic growth, the increment decreases. :-)

@skyletwings5711 2 жыл бұрын

@victor bruun I just pointed at the confusion of the logarithmic and exponential function. For the applicability of the assumption of exponential growth, I most strongly disagree. Their expansion is not comparable to "ideal population growth", which also does not exist in reality, because of limitation of size, resources, political decisions, war, deseases, disasters leading to mass extinctions etc. Why do you even think you can assume an exponential growth for dating, like radioactive decay of isotopes can be used for radiometric dating (which actually describes a logarithmic function)? Why and how should they speed up the assimilation rate, while they have only one ship? I'd assume the rate to be rather constant, before they build a second ship, then it will probably make a jump. And there can be so many reasons why their assimilations may speed up or stagnate, in addition to those of population growth. And all that added to the pure assumption that the species counter really represents a chronologic counter (is not a calculated value), starting from 1, including all assimilated species (not only some or starting later), that was never reset or modified otherwise aso. And they can also have existed a long time before reaching stellar tech and assimilation tech and starting their expansion. There's really NO good reason to date the age of the borg based on some species names with high numbers in them.

@jameswatsonatheistgamer 2 жыл бұрын

It also seems that humans surpassed them. At a faster rate.

@edwardhotchkiss9085 2 жыл бұрын

I is

@MostlyPennyCat 2 жыл бұрын

The rate at which they encounter species will increase at the rate of the square of the distance of to the Borg origin point.

@TroutBoneless 2 жыл бұрын

One minor correction. In VOY we meet a species that has never been assimilated, but Seven still has a numerical designation for that species. So the numerical designations actually represent every species they've encountered, not just the assimilated ones Edit: looks like others have said the same thing in the comments lol

@alpachino468 Жыл бұрын

Yeah, you're correct; Species 8472 have never been assimilated, for instance...

@thekillerbunny Жыл бұрын

2:50 he states that the numerical designation for a species is if they have assimilated OR been in contact with. Why so many people said that when he didn't say that? 🙄

@s0larflare Жыл бұрын

@@thekillerbunny Probably because he based a calculation of x number of species assimilated per year off of the species designation number

@rageforthemachine Жыл бұрын

Yes didn't Seven say the Kazon were never assimilated because they didn't have any valuable traits and that would only detract from perfection.

@riopato2009 Жыл бұрын

Species 8472 were never assimilated because the Borg couldn't assimilate them. They tried and failed.

@TheRantingCabbie 5 жыл бұрын

If the Borg ever come here, I'll just send them a copy of Windows Vista. Every drone will be asking every drone for admin permission before any action is taken. And seeing there's no single admin within the collective, it will just keep going around and around.

@dr.vikyll7466 5 жыл бұрын

Intelligence: 100

@rorodollars 5 жыл бұрын

or that might just bulescreen after 30 minutes from boot up LOL

@darrelljohnson1319 5 жыл бұрын

Windows stupidity would destroy all borg, windows is a virus made by gov spies illogical

@joringedamke5597 5 жыл бұрын

As Mr. Data said, very funny!

@looksirdroids9134 5 жыл бұрын

Not going to work.

@fbe2 4 жыл бұрын

Since this is a history of the Borg, I thought it appropriate that I put in a word for the guy who actually created the Borg. He was a writer for the series "Star Trek, The New Generation" and his name was Michael Piller. He did a bunch of episodes, but that one is special. Michael, I think the Borg was the best Trek creation since Spock. I know you guys who write these episodes keep in the background, but I wanted to give you credit.

@dragonchr15 3 жыл бұрын

So if and when they decide to come up with a canonical backstory for the Borg's origins, he should be the one to write it.

@beeto45 3 жыл бұрын

@@dragonchr15 and the hated writer who created the borg queen, who was it?

@KnowingEyes 3 жыл бұрын

@@dragonchr15 Uh, Piller died in 2005.

@djfitzgerald111 2 жыл бұрын

There has to be someone with access to the official series bible that can shed some more light 9n the Borg.

@infuscolumen 2 жыл бұрын

@@dragonchr15 Dunno if it is cannon, but there's a series of books that describes how Borg came to be and honestly, I like them tremendously. They're written by David Mack and are named DESTINY.

@CptApplestrudl 2 жыл бұрын

Not every species registered has to be assimilated. I remember Seven and Neelix having a short talk about the Borg beeing picky.

@Weffi76 2 жыл бұрын

didnt they only assimilate species that could benefit them, so any species who didnt have any tech or any other traits that where seemed good for the Borg they didnt bother with.

@helmsscotta 2 жыл бұрын

@@Weffi76 : Safety in mediocrity?

@Weffi76 2 жыл бұрын

@@helmsscotta pretty much yes, the crappier you are the safer you are

@jaredharris1970 2 жыл бұрын

They are only after technological knowledge to achieve the perfection they want biological perfection is secondary

@davhot4107 2 жыл бұрын

@@Weffi76 Yes. Theres one episode where the Voyager encounters a medieval civilization that refused to advance in fear of the Borg.

@johnnyrepine937 2 жыл бұрын

But the species designations aren't just for species that they've assimilated, though. There are plenty of species that they've passed up because they were already past the point of anything that species could offer, the Kazon, for example.

@davidjones3165 2 жыл бұрын

If I remember they still had a number designation. They just were not assimilated.

@jgobroho 2 жыл бұрын

@@davidjones3165 that's exactly what he just commented lol.

@comcastjohn 2 жыл бұрын

I would have just assimilated them anyway. That way I get more drones and the resources of the planet. Make them breeding colonies and research outposts. Hehehehe

@johntrevy1 2 жыл бұрын

@@comcastjohn The problem is the Borg still expend energy like any mortal species. A good cash robber typically goes for the big notes and leaves the small notes and change behind. Why? Time is crucial during a robbery, it would take a lot more time to get a whole mountain bunch of 1's and 5's than a few wads of 100's. Put simply, the Kazon are a waste of resources.

@2wongsdontmakearice588 2 жыл бұрын

agreed. And species 8472 was also another species they couldn't assimilate.

@thenewpav543 5 жыл бұрын

Actually, we don't know that the Borg assimilated at least 10,000 species, only that they have encountered that many. They do not consider all species worthy of assimilation. Seven has mentioned this in an episode of Voyager.

@CanuckGod 5 жыл бұрын

That was my slight quibble with the video. Seven was referring to the Kazon, I believe.

@TeslaMaster2 5 жыл бұрын

I agree, I think the best example is species 8472, which the Borg encountered, but haven't been able to assimilate.

@PerplexiaX 5 жыл бұрын

@@TeslaMaster2 Yeah, Fluidic Space is a bitch to navigate! lol Plus, 8472 puts up a good fight! :-)

@TheAvathari 5 жыл бұрын

Came here to refresh my memory on borg history and that stood out to me too. For an example: the Borg had been trying to assimilate species 116 for ages but only was able to do so after they defeated species 8472 with the help of the Voyager. Also about the age of the Borg. I would they are much older than assumed on the video. The Borg originate (or at least immigrated) in Delta Quadrant, which we can assume is pretty much one 4th of the galaxy. Milky way has somewhere between 100 and 400 billion star systems, so assuming delta quadrant would have somewhere between 25 billion and 100 billion star systems. But how many of them actually have M-class planets (or other kind of planets that suit another kind of life) and how many actually developed life, and more significantly, intelligent life capable of space travel. The Borg wouldn't just go searching for life from one planet to another as that's ineffective, but rather spread out and search for those who actually are capable of space travel so that they can add "biological and technological distinctiveness" (of said species) to their own. And again, when it comes to the memory fragmentation, there are more possibilities than basically "getting old and forgetting about what happen". That's false assumption on the basis of what we have seen of the Borg. They regenerate on daily basis, and discard only unuseful information, but keep the useful information. The narrator in this video suggested that it was due to large amount of borg being killed in a short period of time that caused this, which is plausible, but I don't believe it was because the borg were a young species but just that there was another race that proved worthy opponent to them (which was probably assimilated).

@PerplexiaX 5 жыл бұрын

@@TheAvathari One can assume anything, but IF we're going to talk about Canon, then we can only talk about what we know from all the various shows... books and short stories would not apply. One of the things that is accepted is how many people in the Galaxy are very Humanesque... Highly unlikely, first of all, unless we throw Panspermia into the mix, which was done in a Next Gen episode, so we have to accept that as Canon! Realistically, though, Highly doubtful... and it provides a feasible explanation as to why many species would not be able to be integrated into the Collective... No matter how long the Borg timeline has existed, there would still be a limited amount of species that they COULD assimilate! They wouldn't want or couldn't use creatures similar to elephants or whales, or even Humanesque creatures in a stone-age developmental stage... there's no technological distinctiveness there, and if there are only ten thousand in their catalogue so far, they ARE either very young as a Race, or they mean Humanesque creatures. Well, Panspermia has already been established in Canon, so we have to assume that they DO mean Human-like creatures, otherwise, they would have a lot more in their catalogue, and many that they could not assimilate, like the Voth, who are probably millions of years more advanced... Unless the Borg got lucky, of course! LOL But I'm not an Expert on Star Trek! Just a very grateful fan! Have a nice day! :-)

@fernandocaballero9830 4 жыл бұрын

I'd make a history of the Ferengi, but they'd charge me royalties for it.

@jamespurcer3730 4 жыл бұрын

LOL!

@polygon4399 4 жыл бұрын

those greedy butts

@Dsynyster24 4 жыл бұрын

Ferengi freak me out lol

@VaultWeasel 4 жыл бұрын

That race makes me wonder about what their Clothing catalogs for women are. Also if they think we're lewd because we let women cloth themselves. They should stay far away from the Middle East XD

@charlespeterson348 4 жыл бұрын

Space Jews

@Audioholics 2 жыл бұрын

Good synopsis on the Borg. Sadly the Federation has now faced a much greater threat to its existence than the Borg..... Alex Kurtzman.

@lyreamoonchild2024 2 жыл бұрын

Lower your shields. We are the secret base.

@dbsthumper 2 жыл бұрын

LOL!!!

@dracobruhma 2 жыл бұрын

I read that as kuntzman...

@TwoTardTop 2 жыл бұрын

amen

@Bajaos 2 жыл бұрын

hajaj i knew is going to be him.

@scottkfilgo 2 жыл бұрын

Annie Wersching, who plays a Borg Queen in Picard this season says her role prep research included not only a review of all borg episodes on TNG and VGR but also watching a fan-made online History of the Borg as part of her prep for the role (re: Wil Wheaton's Picard aftershow). Pretty sure she meant your's!! Grats guys for providing a bit of inspiration to a very nice performance by Wersching.

@Trekspertise Жыл бұрын

Wait, what?!? Where can we confirm this?

@schattenseele66 Жыл бұрын

may she rest in peace

@TorbenRudgaard 8 жыл бұрын

THE BORG - My absolute favorite villain!! Who here would like to watch a movie about how the borg came to be?

@TorbenRudgaard 8 жыл бұрын

my second favorite villains are the Replicators from Stargate SG1

@builder396 8 жыл бұрын

+Torben Rudgaard Replicators vs. Borg. Wonder how that will end.

@christoffelmiddel6663 8 жыл бұрын

+Torben Rudgaard Jem' Hadar, are the best.

@randomguy4379 8 жыл бұрын

everyone

@phlarb6505 8 жыл бұрын

+Torben Rudgaard I wouldn't. It seems like the more people that get their hands on the Borg, the worse they get. I have my own thoughts on how the Borg came into existence. The last thing I want is to even take the chance of another writer that doesn't give 2 shits about cannon or common sense to take a crack at that topic. Be careful what you wish for, you may not like the results. Sometimes, it's best(and more fun) to just use your imagination and speculate.

@alwayswondering4051 4 жыл бұрын

As a kid, no adversary freaked me out as much as the Borg.

@noneone8726 2 жыл бұрын

The chances of people from hundreds of different galaxies and planets all being able to use the exact same gravity and the exact same breathing atmosphere are a trillion to one. Every species uses speech to communicate, eyes to see with? Everyone has two eyes, two arms, two ears, two legs. Yeah, that's highly likely. Rather than use CGI to create logically credible aliens, let's treat the audience as if they were retarded children, and make every alien into a humanoid. Just slap on some cheap rubber bullshit mask and a dollar store halloween costume, no one will notice! After all, we are stupid, lazy, greedy and disrespectful. The only important rule in Hollywood is GET PAID--- so we can snort more co>caine while fuck>ing little boys up the as>shole. Why create SF that reflects LOGIC? It is all about the MONEY, so we can take more dr>ugs, and ra?pe more little boys. SF fans are worthless mindless weak sheep scum. They will eat up any dogshit we shovel out. , ,, They will eat up any dogsh:it we shovel out. They will eat up any dogshi:t we shovel out. They will eat up any dogs"hit we shovel out. SF fans are worthless mindless weak sheep scum. Let's ra:pe them for every penny they have. Paramount Executive: SCIENCE fiction? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! "Science", oh god, I can't stop laughing, pass me the coca:ine, and get me a fresh boy to r"ape...............Science!...... AS IF!......gag, chuckle................ . . . Oh, "its just a TV show?" No, it is MONEY and hours of your limited life you can never get back. I love that the actress who played the Big Tit:s Empath character has gone public about how STUPID and irrational and pointless and shitty her role was. , Genuinely good SF takes an unusual premise, then extrapolates LOCICALLY, in a linear fashion, to tell a story that answers "what if" in a manner that does not insult the intelligence of the audience. _ Why does this matter? Because every trailer trash retard can hold up Star Trek and say "That them there "science stuff" about evolution and Covid is just LIES, look at how DUMB "science" is" YOU are the reason SF su"cks. You keep eating the dogsh"it, making things bad for everyone. Oh, "its just a TV show?" No, it is MONEY and hours of your limited life you can never get back. You are making stupid, dishonest evil people RICH

@anonymousanonymity2815 2 жыл бұрын

@@noneone8726 uh you ok man?

@farmlyfe5859 2 жыл бұрын

@@noneone8726 Lay off the crack dude... get some therapy.

@MrPr1nglz 2 жыл бұрын

@@noneone8726 Most of the major species we see were seeded by a precursor race which is why so many similar bipeds exist. There are also numerous different species in the Star Trek universe that are unique as well. Your entire comment was just a long winded admittance to your complete ignorance on the subject. Lay off the pipe, dude.

@jamesbizs 2 жыл бұрын

@@noneone8726 what is wrong with you?

@ukdnbmarsh 2 жыл бұрын

The Borg Wars, now THAT is a storyline i would watch

@angelusumbra5741 2 жыл бұрын

The Borg are fascinating. They're not exactly evil since they're not malicious, but like a machine they are cold and without empathy. If they could be controlled and evolve to know and accept empathy, and offered joining the Borg rather than forcing assimilation, I think it would be mutually beneficial. There would always be those willing to join them, and so offer their own uniqueness to the collective helping them evolve as they want to, while also not terrorizing other species.

@mbukukanyau 2 жыл бұрын

The queen has proven to be evil, cold and calculating, CE

@angelusumbra5741 2 жыл бұрын

@@mbukukanyau I'm talking about the collective and drones before she was a thing. They just assimilate. There is no mortality or pity, but no malice or excessive cruelty. Just cold force.

@jamesbizs 2 жыл бұрын

@@angelusumbra5741 before she was a thing? When was that?

@Saif-zf9vb 2 жыл бұрын

@@jamesbizs “Origin The Borg Queen was assimilated to the Collective from Species 125 around the age of 7-8, along with her parents, and was already present in 2354. (VOY: "Unimatrix Zero, Part II")”

@matthewbittenbender9191 Жыл бұрын

The real fear of the Borg is losing your freedom and identity. At the time TNG was created We still were in the Cold War with communistic USSR. This series pitted The Federation (analogous to democratic NATO) and the Borg (analogous to the USSR). One is membership by choice retaining their individuality and sovereignty while the other is a forced collective making all worlds equals and cared for but it's peoples existence serve the collective because it has decided it is the best thing for all humanoid life. In the case of the Borg and the USSR, they are all technically and more closely to being democratic due to their hive mind. A vote would be directly from an individual and could be registered instantaneously from all across their entire empire. The will of the people is served BUT membership is not optional. So, to someone living in the United States today the Borg philosophy appears "evil" for stomping on individual freedoms just as a person living in the US from the 1950s-80s Would have thought about the USSR. Yet elsewhere Western society is considered cruel and darwinistic in that many people are marginalized (aka living in poverty) without purpose (no employment opportunity) and given no voice in governance (little power in voting). It's a classic Star Trek exposition of ideology.

@OMEGATHENIETZCHIAN 8 жыл бұрын

I've always wished Star Trek would do a Borg War series that explores the Borg history and requires an alliance of species between the species of the various quadrants to finally overcome. If anything the Borg provide a perfect shared threat for a unification event.

@JACCO20082012 8 жыл бұрын

Shawn McRoberts They already did the alliance thing with the Dominion. It would just be the same thing. Now, the legit Dominion and not it's puppets against the Borg would be something worth watching. The Alpha Quadrant wouldn't survive that.

@nessunday 8 жыл бұрын

Their is, there's a whole trilogy novel that explains the origins of the Borg and their ultimately their fate

@NeilJDaniels 8 жыл бұрын

nessunday Overton to which novels are you reffering? The Destiny series?

@christosvoskresye 8 жыл бұрын

nessunday Overton That makes a more interesting premise for a series of movies than an alternate-timeline / parallel universe reboot of the original series.

@OMEGATHENIETZCHIAN 8 жыл бұрын

christosvoskresye Anything is better than a reboot. A show centered on a group of tribbles would be better than a reboot lol

@kylew.3031 4 жыл бұрын

"The danger of the past was that men became slaves. The danger of the future is that men may become robots." Erich Fromm, German sociologist and psychoanalyst

@cmdrtianyilin8107 4 жыл бұрын

Those sociologists are irrelevant. They should be quarantined and eradicated. We should not waste our time listening to those pointless "ethical and moral" words for they tend to slow down scientific and technological advancement. The Borg is the best thing ever in any science fiction franchise. *Resistance is futile*

@burtonrivera5253 4 жыл бұрын

Erich Fromm is worth reading. A person can learn bits and pieces from others, you re still you

@gwenwalravens8030 4 жыл бұрын

I understood the feelings of Seven: the Borg being efficient, possessing knowledge and acquiring it. Working as one but each performing a single task. It must be fascinating however being disposable by the millions isn't really appealing. For some very weird reason, the Borg never seemed to assimilate the strategy of war, assimilating species by brute force and huge losses.

@stuartwalker341 4 жыл бұрын

Isn't robot another word that means slave?

@Beardiums 3 жыл бұрын

it also means "To not think" Ergo,, it has already happened.

@MNanme1z4xs Жыл бұрын

Borg is basically super intelligent space zombie, it is possible they started as a weapon during a conflict which the fragments memory refers. It later lost control and consumed both conflicting factions

@kdawg52781 2 жыл бұрын

The beginnings of the Borg is explored in the Destiny series of novels, short answer, they came into existence in 4527 BCE making them just shy of 7000 years old during the events of TNG.

@michiganspencer6920 Жыл бұрын

Destiny series...is that considered Star Trek Canon???

@matthewbittenbender9191 Жыл бұрын

@@michiganspencer6920 who cares. It was a great series and I'm tired of Disney deciding what is canon 15 years after I read it. The books are as important but because they're a visual media company they think that that is all diehard fans care about. Shortsighted and out of touch. It was a sad day when they bought both Star Wars and Star Trek franchises.

@Dreqan Жыл бұрын

@@matthewbittenbender9191 Disney doesn't own Star Trek, CBS/Paramount does.

@matthewbittenbender9191 Жыл бұрын

@@Dreqan ok. My bad. Still hate what Disney did to the last Star Wars trilogy and not very thrilled with what Paramount has done in the STU either.

@risenfallacy3197 Жыл бұрын

@@matthewbittenbender9191 you do realize this is star TREK and not star wars right? Or are you so mad about star wars and disney that u intentionally kept ranting about it anyways?

@izzytrekker8095 4 жыл бұрын

Borg Origin movie would be awesome. Star trek The First Assimulation

@rossmullett2998 4 жыл бұрын

Love it. Great title.

@jhines0 4 жыл бұрын

Perhaps, the new Picard show will cover this. I hope.

@Ralphieboy 4 жыл бұрын

Borigins

@rossmullett2998 4 жыл бұрын

@@Ralphieboy or the borginning

@batgurrl 4 жыл бұрын

Paul Kachur GOOD one

@thereliky 7 жыл бұрын

the book series Star Trek Destiny was written as official Canon of at least the next Generation universe and it goes into quite Exquisite detail on the origins of the Borg and how they came about as well as their eventual downfall

@Trekspertise 7 жыл бұрын

The books are, sadly, not canon. A shame, because many of them are very good.

@RATSS396 7 жыл бұрын

Star Trek Vendetta comes to mind.....

@animeslam7951 7 жыл бұрын

The canon of the books are... Questionable, at best.

@TheNeil62 7 жыл бұрын

I think Star Trek (the original series): Doomsday Machine could be interpreted that way. Spock spoke of a war from long ago, that both parties no longer exist, but a war of innumerable distances works equally well. A war between Borg and the makers of the Doomsday Machine.

@SciFiFan2012 7 жыл бұрын

Justin H it's a novel, not canon. Anything CBS/Paramount decided to do with the Borg now can change the origin story. Reference books, novels, and tech manuals aren't canon, they're licensed for the companies to produce Trek merchandise.

@michaelgabriel7919 2 жыл бұрын

I seem to remember in a Star Trek novel, the story of how the Borg were initially created. Humans from the 22nd century are taken back in time and far away by an advanced xenophobic civilization. The move ends up being a disaster and the survivors are forcibly changed into cybernetic hybrids (the Borg) to survive.

@peterwade9008 2 жыл бұрын

You may be thinking of the Star Trek Destiny novels. If I remember it rightly it wasn't humans but the xenophobic race who were sent back in time accidentally during a battle. At the end of the series the ones who weren't sent back make contact with the Borg and persuade them to change their ways and stop assimilating people.

@ManBearPig1968 2 жыл бұрын

your spot on, 3 part book series, and the species your thinking of are the Caeliar. Great story👍💯

@callmequaz9052 2 жыл бұрын

I like how ambiguous the Borg origins are. There is nothing we fear more than that we do not understand, and having the Borg being such an ambiguous thing that we know little about makes them that much more terrifying.

@chiffmonkey 8 жыл бұрын

The exponential nature of the borg's growth makes sense considering that their power is augmented by every new species assimilated.

@22steve5150 8 жыл бұрын

chiffmonkey Also, gaining transwarp capability and then recently gaining rapid implantation technology (remember early on individual drones did not carry implantation tubes, captives were taken to implantation rooms inside the cube) were probably huge aids in their rapid expansion in the few decades before Unimatrix one was destroyed.

@chiffmonkey 8 жыл бұрын

22steve5150 I uh... clearly am not a trekkie.

@fishi4296 8 жыл бұрын

+chiffmonkey lol, i wasn't either until i watched voyager, you should watch the first episode because as someone who doesn't like watching enterprise episodes i found voyager to be very entertaining

@chiffmonkey 8 жыл бұрын

Kirito SAO I really really dislike Voyager. For me: TOS - Good cheesy fun. TNG - Mixed Good and Bad, tries to be serious but doesn't always pull it off. +1 for Picard. -1 for Wesley. DS9 - Amazing, to me this is what star trek should be. Avery Brooks can't act but the rest of the cast make up for it. Voyager - Horrible, bad writing, bad technobabble, bad twists, bad use of the holodeck for drivelly plots... Enterprise - Mixed Amazing and Horrible, Archer is a grade A dick holding back an otherwise fantastic series. Oh and space nazis was stupid. Then again what do I know, I think TMP was the best film :P

@PluckySmurf 8 жыл бұрын

Hugh Janus I'm with you. I like all of the incarnations, with the acknowledgement that each series produced (and couldn't not produce) it's fair share of stinkers. Purists who feel the need to defend TOS or TNG solely, are pretty tiresome (to me).

@Bless-the-Name 4 жыл бұрын

7of9: Resistance is futile. Me: Who's resisting?

@TheEcono 4 жыл бұрын

💯😂

@MrRar66 4 жыл бұрын

Her..Resistance is futile.... Me..I'm in...

@lespaul5628 4 жыл бұрын

@@MrRar66 and everything not compliant is irrelevant.

@SantiagoTM1 3 жыл бұрын

ROFLMFAO!! Who would, with that gorgeous ASS of 7 of 9...

@manofbeard 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah boi

@roderickwilliams5484 2 жыл бұрын

Just FYI...I have read hundreds and hundreds of Star Trek novels. The Borg, according to one of the novels I read initially were a forced combination of a sentinent machine race known as the Cailiar. At one point the NX-02 under the command of Erika Hernandez were thrown through some anomaly (I don’t recall exactly what) back in time to the Cailiars home planet, where they crashed. The met up with the machine race folks and found out they were dying off. The cailiar were desperate and one faction of them forced some kind of combination between themselves and a few members of the crew of the NX-02. And the borg were born...there is a lot more to the story, and I looked briefly for the novels to reference for you, but I have to many and gave up looking. If I find in the future I will let you know for your own reference.

@Trekspertise 2 жыл бұрын

It's the Destiny novels. Oh yes, very aware :)

@Baddaby 8 ай бұрын

Seven's statement that their memory from 900 years ago is fragmentary means that it is split up, not tightly organized etc. Which just implies that too old memories are not as clear to the collective. Which makes sense, if you make an analogy of if the drones are our neurons, their regeneration is sleep, and the collective is a whole brain. Not everything is preserved

@mdurwin 4 жыл бұрын

I’m glad ST:TMP was mentioned. I always thought that Vjer, who met a machine race, actually met the original, non-organic, Borg. When Ilea and Decker merged, they created the current semi-biological form.

@jameswatsonatheistgamer 2 жыл бұрын

V'ger

@cindycampbell3761 2 жыл бұрын

Ooh that is an interesting theory actually

@christianeaster2776 2 жыл бұрын

Interesting idea. From the history in this post that would not be the case.

@cherubin7th 2 жыл бұрын

This happened too recently.

@jeffjr84 2 жыл бұрын

In the return they postulate something very similar, in star trek online borg unimatrix vessels look like vger also. Iilea was also added to sto recently.

@brettcooper3893 4 жыл бұрын

I always found the Borg played upon the same fears that were explored in especially the first Terminator. "They can't be reasoned with, they can't be bargained with, they feel no remorse or pity."

@ukbusman 3 жыл бұрын

Just like the Daleks. The Daleks were conceived by science-fiction writer Terry Nation and first appeared in the 1963 Doctor Who serial The Daleks

@mawdeeps7691 2 жыл бұрын

they were explored before that with any zombie flick you can mention

@billboth6572 Жыл бұрын

Guinan was alive with Mark Twain in the late 1800's and early 1900's. I believe in that episode, she mentions to Picard about the Borg.

@drakekay6577 2 жыл бұрын

A birthday and a home town. So perfectly phrased!!!!!

@uncletaylorify 5 жыл бұрын

I had always hoped that the Borg had started out in a not so scary way. Such as some small world in the Delta Quadrant had started experimenting with cybernetic parts. Such as replacing an eye with some type of better vision mechanical parts. Or a chip in the brain to store things or to understand different languages. And over time it got out of hand or some AI/computer virus took over and created the more machine driven Borg.

@richbruno7840 5 жыл бұрын

Uncle: That is an excellent premise for a Borg movie. And it is quite possible that the Borg were peaceful at one time. Recall the Borg Queen telling Data, "I bring order to Chaos". What if the Borg Queen is not actually Borg, but used and perverted the Borg into a predator species for her own agenda. Like Hillary Clinton highjacking the Democratic party for her own ambitions.

@christobanistan8887 5 жыл бұрын

I think some cult or authoritarian nation-state like North Korea, China, or Russia used it to control their population. The "Queens" were just cloned, lieutenants to the leader at the time. Eventually the leader dies off or is killed off, leaving nothing but the hive.

@HartmutJagerArt 5 жыл бұрын

Just give it time, with the fast rise of Artificial Intelligence and Genetic Engineering we will get there soon enough - To Become The Borg ! Just count the many artificial implants, like the heart, we have already ! Resistance to Becoming Borg is Futile !

@interracial2564 5 жыл бұрын

yes yes down with Killary !!!

@bombercountyblues 5 жыл бұрын

That would be far too scarier premise as it seems to be the way we're currently heading.

@bartonlightguy 7 жыл бұрын

species 8472 was never assimilated. the nano probes would not work in them. so your theory that the species numbers are species they have assimilated is wrong. it is the order of the species they have encountered. other than that fact it was really good.

@OzPiggy87 7 жыл бұрын

I thought it was said in the episode "Scorpion" that Species 8472 was the first species they'd failed to assimilate? (Don't quote me on that)

@eisvisage1459 7 жыл бұрын

+Lady Piggy But if designation numbers would equal assimilated civilisations, why should they ever give a number to 8472? You're right though, 8472 were the first (and, as far as we know, the only ones) they could not assimilate.

@Tiberius11111111 7 жыл бұрын

Species 8472 is the 8472 specie that borg encounterd they number every species.

@fatceaserdagreat241 7 жыл бұрын

you are so right! Seems like i wasn't the only one!

@Kittani1977 7 жыл бұрын

"worthy" of assimilation. i bet they really really wanted to.

@julie.1081 Жыл бұрын

I almost skipped watching this video but I'm glad I didn't! Great research & the way you described everything was spot on.Thanks for putting in the work to show us this!

@alittax 2 жыл бұрын

I might be missing something, but at 2:14 Guinan said that the Borg "...are made up of organic AND artificial life which has been developing for 1000s of centuries", so she doesn't just refer to the components of the Borg but to their current combination (because the Borg = organic + artificial life, and this combination (which is the Borg themselves) has has been developing for 1000s of centuries). Why do you say that she doesn't technically refer to the Borg? I'm not questioning the other evidence that you've presented, only this interpretation of Guinan's statement. Could you please clarify? Thank you.

@MrJoshcc600 2 жыл бұрын

I agree "they" are too big to follow comment sections let alone answer like it's a customer service job. "They" make videos and get paid per view&time watched.

@coloradoing9172 Жыл бұрын

"they" are all around us, and control our lives

@void_presence 4 жыл бұрын

The # of assimilated species doesn't necessarily correspond with their age, at least not 1:1; not all species they've encountered have been worth assimilating, they only assimilate if they find something unique that would be beneficial to the Borg.

@dracoslayer16 4 жыл бұрын

Right. In one episode, seven talks about species 116 where she comments that 116 was never assimilated...yet. They seem to simply give any species they encounter a number to designate them instead of a full name. They probably have far less than 10,000 assimilated species especially since they only assimilate what they find useful.

@martinbertilsson1654 4 жыл бұрын

Also.. There has to be a great number of species in the univserse... Pending on what theory one have regarding life in universe even 10.000 seems like a lot.... And as you said... it has to be benefits for assimilation

@warpspeed8305 4 жыл бұрын

@@martinbertilsson1654 not all species must be intelligent. Animals on earth are species too. I guess it depends on system architecture. It may differ how some species have effect on a system. It maybe on different levels as hierarchy. Or it maybe dynamic graph depending on circumstances.

@katsukibakugou9730 3 жыл бұрын

they only consider humanoid species for assimilation, and only number them as such. any humanoid species they encounter, they give a number, see if they are worth assimilating, move on if not, try to assimilate them all if they show technological or physiological advantages or something along those lines. For example, if they went on earth and went for a hike or whatever and found all the wildlife here, my guess is they might label them as 5618-1, 5618-2, 5618-3, and so on for each creature they find. i doubt they would hike around and take note of species and see if any could be assimilated, because they would be assimilating and destroying earth. btw, species 5618 is human, if you forgot. but man, a bord centipede would be scary as h311. please remember, this is my guess and theory, but if you cant disprove it, please dont try to argue with me, i came here to learn more, we all probably did. so if this adds to your theory, cool! if not, okay!

@katsukibakugou9730 3 жыл бұрын

@@warpspeed8305 they might only consider sentient species for assimilation as well as semi-humanoid. that makes sense.

@schitlipz 7 жыл бұрын

Nice work. Very detailed. Somewhere around 8:16 you say the El-Aurians didn't get to earth till something like 2293 (because the Borg scattered them), though Guinan was on earth in 19th century San Fransisco, in that TNG episode Time's Arrow.

@feenix566 7 жыл бұрын

Wasn't she in the old west when Data travelled back in time too?

@ericdodson3630 7 жыл бұрын

Fist full of data's took place on the holodeck

@schitlipz 7 жыл бұрын

Oh, was that the shoot out with Warf? I was hoping they'd have Warf sport the cowbow hat in other episodes... maybe have his bro make fun of it or something :)

@schitlipz 7 жыл бұрын

Warf could enter a meeting, Troy and Riker exchanging a look with that knowing smile. Then Picard clears his throat and pretends nothing is weird. Or maybe a mission on a desert planet, and aproaching the transporter platform Picard stops Warf with a look. Warf explains, "Sun protection, sir." Picard replies, "Ah yes, of course. Carry on." I dunno. Lot's of funny scenes that can be imagined with Warf.

@RyNoDisTaNT 7 жыл бұрын

schitlipz It's not 'Warf.' It's 'Worf.'

@ryanbillmeier6444 2 жыл бұрын

One of the best narrated videos I have ever watched about the subject keep up the good work

@majalisaavery6635 2 ай бұрын

This has been the most comprehensive & in-depth history of the Borg I've seen... I've been watching Star Trek ever since I can remember my Dad watching it. Nicely done!

@Connection-Lost 2 ай бұрын

This is going to blow your mind, but.... they aren't even real. Someone made it all up!

@atomicdeath10 8 жыл бұрын

If you love the Borg, read the Star Trek: Destiny book. It is a collection of 3 books, that explain the Borg, and brings all the different shows together. Star Trek Enterprise (Different Ship, same era), TNG, DS9, and Voyager. Its a wonderful book.

@kevlare-7324 8 жыл бұрын

great book

@SciFiFan2012 7 жыл бұрын

atomicdeath10 yup, great story but not officially canon.

@L0LWTF1337 9 жыл бұрын

History of the borg: In the beginning they were cool and threating... but then they made the borg queen to have someone Janeway could mud wrestle with. And from then all goes to shit.

@Trekspertise 9 жыл бұрын

L0LWTF1337 I am of the mind that the Borg Queen kind of watered down the Borg a bit. But the Unimatrix issue, the war with 8472...I think some of the post-First Contact Borg elements made them a little more interesting, yes?

@Fiercesoulking 9 жыл бұрын

Tin Watchman This was Voyager the only time the Borg became look weak was at the last episode where they used technology from the future. The rest of the time they used tricks to fight them because of this Borgs called human cunning. The true is even after this episode the federation wasn't strong enough to push back a full invasion, so buying time is still the best strategy.

@Tr4newreck 9 жыл бұрын

L0LWTF1337 i think the queen is fine...werent the borg chaotic before they assimilated the species that the queen is from, which has a unique telepathic ability capable of sorting through many minds and thoughts, which gave them the cohesion they have...or is that memory beta canon, i forget

@RoosterMontgomery 9 жыл бұрын

L0LWTF1337 Janeway and Borg Queen mud wrestling? I would pay to see that!

@bbbabrock 8 жыл бұрын

Tr4newreck I always assumed t borgs minds were all cyberneticly linked due to mere mechanical means like via radio waves or like how my phone is connected to Utube. Surely they can do this. They do have enuf mechanical parts.

@MichaelMcBride58 2 жыл бұрын

You should include books in your research of Star Trek “canon.” David Mack’s “Destiny” trilogy covers the beginnings of the Borg all the way to the Borg’s absorption by a higher species.

@pwnmeisterage 2 жыл бұрын

_Destiny_ contradicts and is contraindicated by on-screen canon. A lengthy trilogy, with some good narrative and interesting characterization. But overall it's a juvenile exaggeration of too many things in too many ways, written to read like a Hollywood script of a bad superhero comicbook.

@commandersheperd2199 2 жыл бұрын

Ill take book cannon over tv/movie cannon for anything generally. The borg and mass effects reapers would get along nicely.

@robertfergusson5367 2 жыл бұрын

Jump forward to 2381 in the Books and you have the end of the Borg at the hands of the Caeliar who also unwittingly had a hand in their creation. Of course the new Star Trek: Picard ignores all that and instead follows up on what Voyager and Future Janeway did.

@johngill704 2 жыл бұрын

That would the Caeliar who inadvertently created the Borg almost a thousand years ago. With a little tweaking, the series COULD fall within the established canon.

@johngill704 2 жыл бұрын

@@pwnmeisterage With a little tweaking, the series COULD become canon.

@davidgudlaugson528 2 жыл бұрын

While the Borg is fictional, I have absolutely no doubt the challenge of a Borg type civilisation is a very dynamic and real threat to human civilisation.

@SciHeartJourney 3 жыл бұрын

In my opinion the story origin of the Borg is the original series episode Return of the Archons. Everyone on this planet obeyed the will of Landru, a centralized computer consciousness (like the Queen) controlling the hive (the "body").

@markwoodford5801 7 жыл бұрын

One of the most well thought out analysis of the Borg. Well Done.

@Trekspertise 7 жыл бұрын

Thank you! By chance, how did you find us here?

@SilentZombie 7 жыл бұрын

Is it just me? or would anyone else like to have seen even one Borg cube go up against the Jem'Hadar? :)

@arthurdotson9579 7 жыл бұрын

Hello. You may wish to know that the Borg's origins were already explained in the expanded universe novels that were published after Star Trek Nemesis. Because Nemesis underperformed, novels were written to continue the setting, and there were a lot of them. These novels eventually culminate in a final showdown between the Borg and the united forced of the Alpha/Beta Quadrants. During these novels, the Borg's origin was told, and it links back to the Enterprise era. Go ahead and look up these novels, there were some good stories there, and they took EVERYTHING and brought it all together for some great storytelling!

@SciFiFan2012 7 жыл бұрын

Arthur Dotson yet not canon, just great stories.

@commentsedited 3 ай бұрын

One of the better videos related to the series. Right on. Good job 👏

@joaoboggan1975 2 жыл бұрын

For me the borgs are a way of Star Trek to say I love you to doctor who, as cybermen are one of the many villains in this British TV series, and they are very similar

@jonathonwhitington402 8 жыл бұрын

I'd like to add that just because a species has a designation number, doesn't mean that species was necessarily assimilated. Case in point: Species 8472 there's been no evidence that any of that species was assimilated (quite the contrary actually) yet they have a designation number. Other than that, great video and my girl rolled her eyes at me while I watched it.

@cdevil9488 5 жыл бұрын

Actually, since there's never been a definitive explanation of the Borg species designation system, it's possible the Borg only give numbers to species worthy of it's attention. In the video Seven of Nine mentions a primitive species that was assimilated solely for it having legends about a potential weapon. While Species 8472 was never assimilated, its military and technological power obviously made it a species the Borg WANTED to assimilate. It's entirely possible the Borg have encountered and wiped out entire species without giving them a designation because they had nothing the Borg found valuable. These species wouldn't have been given a designation because, from the Borg perspective, they were irrelevant.

@Terminator484 5 жыл бұрын

@@cdevil9488 The Borg would just ignore irrelevant species. You might get swatted aside if you physically get in the path of a Borg ship... but other than that, you simply aren't a threat, aren't of any use, and thus aren't worth the time to even think about. There'd have to be a good reason to wipe them out.

@stephendevore 5 жыл бұрын

@@cdevil9488 Didn't the species that they found unworthy of assimilation have a number?

@AsianTheDomination 5 жыл бұрын

Dump her

@CanuckGod 5 жыл бұрын

@@stephendevore That was the Kazon, and they did have a number, so CDevil's assumption doesn't necessarily ring true.

@robchissy 7 жыл бұрын

I have a theory(and it is only that), that species 001 would have used tech on themselves to try to live longer, but as time went on the tech took over more of the brain power and craved more information, so while on a scouting mission, they met species 002, they would not share the knowledge or the tech, so 001 captured some of 002 fitted them up with file transfer tech, took the knowledge from them, and felt that was making them stronger, move on a few and somewhere down the line maybe by 010 they acquired nano tech, thus creating the ability to assimilate with ease and so the story continues as they gain mow knowledge and power they grow stronger by the time they get to species 100 they are now looking for perfection and resistance is futile.

@stylis666 7 жыл бұрын

The nanotechnology could have been the source. Maybe the queen was a just a scientist who strived for perfection and immortality in an even more perverted way than the chinese do and she invented and programmed the nanobots, starting the hive all on her own, inspired on both nature and technology. To me that seems the simplest and most obvious solution, explaining the most.

@dariofuentes1544 7 жыл бұрын

And see, THAT is a Star Trek Anthology type story that I would love to see or read. Let's see the fucked up DC Comics Lobo type character that lobotomized her entire species simply for the goal of turning them into cultural acquisition zombies for the purpose of Imperialism. Borgs are basically the absolute Imperialist ideal. Visit far away places. See exotic peoples. Carve out their insides and turn their skin a homogenous grey. Ignore their rights and individuality. Make them "stronger" and use the entire population to propagate and repeat. It's Imperialism perfected. Nothing about the newly encountered culture is respected or retained. Previous culture is wiped out. The doctrine of the dominant species is the only thing considered to be of any value. My question is: "To what ultimate end?" Say the Borg actually absorb every other species in the galaxy. Or fuck it. Say the universe. What's the point? Are they just trying to build the best star map ever? Who is going to use it? Why would they bother when everything looks the same? Are they trying to survive the eventual collapse of the universe into another? Is there some religious belief about GOD simply being the state of all beings in a universe being of one mind? Is there some greater prophesy of an enemy from another reality or dimension that will destroy us unless we are all united? Did the Borg assimilate the mind of God and determine that the world was Nihilistic nightmare that required all things to struggle and die in order to bring significance to existence in the first place? I am dyyyyyyyying to know. Shit. Maybe I should write it.

@carltononeal6022 7 жыл бұрын

if species 001 used technology to extend life cycles,then the alpha quadrant specie which attempted steal the starfleet starship flag vessal enterprise D,in 2364,for urgent survival needs,but eventually helped ,by federation ,for repair of planet wide cyborg(electronic-technology-organic) computer network,would have been as powerful as the borg artificial consciousness,which was transformed into revolutionary utilization of fusional use of combination of artificial borg attributes(program consciousness with electronic technology),melted assimilation with organic attributes,(advanced technology;desired organic physical features of discovered species,such as long lifespans,etc.;and advanced organic brain features,such as telekinesis,telepathy,etc.)the borg consciousness,from over 1000 years ago,needed an organic specie for creation!

@carltononeal6022 7 жыл бұрын

official canon states that the queen was a multiple copies of an assimilated specie ,which extremely advanced,but the females of that specie was excellent exceptionally mental superior,from any previous species which the borg had pre contacted,therefore,the ,(unintentionally corrupted by android civilization after accidental trap through wormhole ---),earth human probe v'ger(voyager),which occured a short time span before corrupted human probe voyager decided to return to earth.these artificial multicopies of the chosen assimilated advanced specie's female,would serve as physical primary field generals(or versatile links ,such as starbases,deep space stations,and interstallar trade routes,were united federation of planets)the earth human probe NOMAD,in 1960s' tos star trek was corrupted accidentally,with nomad's programming being changed from exploration,into extermination of "diseases" which was trillions of humanoid life,and genocidal path back to earth,before nomad corrupted probe was destroyed,but corrupted VOYAGER,(V'GER),PROGRAMMING WAS FORCED ASSIMILATION OF TECHNOLOGY,WITH ORGANIC ASSIMILATION OF ALL ORGANIC HUMANIOD LIFEFORMS,PRACTICALLY,GENOCIDE ,OF CULTURE,TECHNOLOGY,AND LIVING DEATH OF AN ENTIRE SPECIE,

@carltononeal6022 7 жыл бұрын

therefore,the borg collective would have the power attempt continued assimilation of parallel universes,mirror universes,alternate universes,then ,possibly ,anti matter negative universes.if any of the one universe monolithic gods,within each other limitless universes,decided not to stop the borg collective,or if a multiverse entity,such as anti monitor,celestials,the darkness,star wars' abalox,or marvel's one above all,etc.!why has not the q continium stopped the criminal damage of q's created contact of the borg with the federation,before borg was suppose to contact federation,because earth human created probe corrupted voyager decided to return back star trek earth,after solidly programming borg collective mandate,for continued assimilation,in first feature film for star trek ,in 1980.Q showed starfleet captain picard that he could prevent humanity's existence,in 1994 star trek tng series' finale,by physically taking picard back 4 billion years into earth's past,to stop organic natural development of earth's lifeforms---dinosaurs,then post meteorite strike apocalypse allowance of mammal lifeform development,which eventually evolved into sub human then modern human,etc.!the q continium could violate their own law to finally stop the borg collective.if no other powerful lifeform,(cosmic origin,celestial origin,or whatever),takes action to protect the positive multiverse from the borg collective,assimilation of the positive matter omniverse(universes).

@timcoyle50 2 жыл бұрын

I've seen some other explanations of the origins of the Borg and yours seems to be the best one!

@Trogdor390 2 жыл бұрын

I don't think species designations represent order of species assimilated but rather the order in which they have simply been encountered or became aware of, given that the Borg were likely unable to assimilate an individual belonging to Species 5973 (particle lifeforms) and 8472, which of course gave them so much trouble. If we include lesser/non-canon Star Trek works*, we could additionally include Species 29 (the long-dead Iconians) and 1732 (the Q), which would also not reasonably be able to be assimilated. * Including the non-canon works introduces other issues such as Species 775 (dogs have a lower species number than humans?) and 95012 (the Pakleds with a ridiculously high number).

@pieceofgosa 7 жыл бұрын

Would it be a fair comment that the Borg don't actually annihilate the species they assimilate ? Does the collective change and evolve as new species and cultures are "added to our own" ? If so, has the recent assimilation of multiple humans/alpha quadrant species changed the collective to the extent that they are quantitatively different from the Borg that Picard and 1701d first encountered ?

@Talladarr 7 жыл бұрын

Not really, no. The Borg change by assimilating new drones the same way the ocean changes by you adding a few cups of water Yeah, you do it enough and the sea levels might rise, but the ocean is the ocean, it doesn't matter how much fresh water you dump in it.

@pieceofgosa 7 жыл бұрын

"but the ocean is the ocean, it doesn't matter how much fresh water you dump in it" That's just not true is it. If you put enough of anything into anything then you change it's nature. I take your point, it might take a lot to produce the change but eventually the change will occur.

@Flaris 7 жыл бұрын

Hard to say. I mean by the video the Borg have assimilated over 10,000 species. Which is pretty insane when you think about it. Would assimilating a handful of Alpha Quadrant species change them in any significant way? Are those species distinct enough from the rest to inspire much of any change? The more species that are assimilated the less change I'd expect to see. The collective as it exists when Picard first encountered it should be pretty hard to shake up by a few additional species. Think the biggest changes would have occurred early on when they only had a few hundred species in the collective.

@pieceofgosa 7 жыл бұрын

FlareKnight good answer, thankyou

@Talladarr 7 жыл бұрын

John Alexander A very fair point, I misspoke; enough fresh water would, inevitable, change the ocean's nature eventually. One thing I would like to point out however, is one thing that Trekspertise actually got wrong in the video. The species designation, "Species 1138", "Species 3525", "Species 8472" does not denote the order in which they were assimilated, but the order in which they were encountered, for example, Species 8472 has never(and actually can never be assimilated with current 24th century Borg technology) and yet they are up to at least Species 10,024 if I remember the video correctly.

@1wisestein 3 жыл бұрын

I really loved how much personality they gave to the Cardassians as the the show went on, even though they were supposed to be the bad guys. Furthermore, the entire realpolitik theme of this show made it very compelling.

@cometasporelcielo 2 жыл бұрын

This was awesome!

@elise205 2 жыл бұрын

Worth noting: The thing that motivated me to watch Star Trek in the first place was a Doctor Who crossover comic series that played on the similarities between the Borg and the Cybermen. It was amazing seeing how these very rich, very detailed characters interacted with Amy, Rory, and The Doctor. And so I watched all the TNG films, and First Contact is what encouraged me to watch the TNG show, and I have been utterly in love with Star Trek since! Ironically, Data is my favourite character, and he is sorta the opposite of the Borg, because the Borg seek to become perfect and uniform, whereas Data seeks to become more flawed and to have a rich human personality.

@jrm48220 5 жыл бұрын

Just a minor flaw in your thinking: just because the borg had only assimilated a handful of systems in the vaadwar's time doesn't mean they weren't around far longer. Assimilation is basically a military campaign. The borg could have been spreading without assimilating before then.

@mainsource8030 5 жыл бұрын

plus guinan literally says they have been around thousands of centuries, how could he misinterpret that

@EricRounds 7 жыл бұрын

Amazing job you did ! Thanks for stitching this all together

@rebelyell2741 2 жыл бұрын

Thankyou for briefly throwing in the V ger scenario

@PCSAWICK829 2 жыл бұрын

there was a star trek novel and it basically had the origin of the borg in it. i can't recall the title right now and the book is packed somewhere, but it was basically a civilization sick from disease and pollution. they were replacing body parts, etc to try and stay alive but they were on their way to extinction. they ended up using some sort of network/a.i. or something and yah, it was implied this was the origin of the borg. i did a shit job of explaining this, so if i find the book again, i'll edit this with the title. was really good.

@CrimsonWlf 4 жыл бұрын

and with borg being mentioned in star trek:picard your video becomes EVEN more relevant

@mijnkampvuur 6 жыл бұрын

Very nice analysis! Some of my thoughts. First the growth rate is most likely exponential as this holds for most growth processes (e.g. human population) And second not all encountered species were assimilated.

@duckwhistle 6 жыл бұрын

True, but we know intelligent species can receive a designation before being assimilated. I do have issue with the designation numbers being used to date the Borg, as I see the Collective as a cultural feature that could post date the early existence of the Borg civilization. Species designation numbers could have started at the time of the Borg's loss of history, as a way of cataloguing what humamoid species they knew. That means up to 90% of previously known species would not be part of that system.

@thehungrylittlenihilist Жыл бұрын

Also, the species designations do not necessarily indicate that the species were assimilated, only that they were encountered. They never assimilated the Undine, for example, but did keep counting past them.

@simony2801 2 жыл бұрын

Seven of nine was the closest the Borg ever got to perfection. 😋

@tubularguynine 2 жыл бұрын

I heard THAT! 😍

@jennifernadwairski8840 2 жыл бұрын

And she is going to be the new queen..

@noneone8726 2 жыл бұрын

If something is worth doing at all, it is worth doing correctly. The chances of species from hundreds of different galaxies and planets all being able to use the exact same gravity and the exact same breathing atmosphere are a trillion to one. Every species uses speech to communicate, eyes to see with? Everyone has two eyes, two arms, two ears, two legs. Yeah, that's highly likely. Rather than use CGI to create logically credible aliens, let's treat the audience as if they were retarded children, and make every alien into a humanoid. Just slap on some cheap rubber bullshit mask and a dollar store halloween costume, no one will notice! After all, we are stupid, lazy, greedy and disrespectful. The only important rule in Hollywood is GET PAID--- so we can snort more co>caine while fuck>ing little boys up the as>shole. Why create SF that reflects LOGIC? It is all about the MONEY, so we can take more dr>ugs, and ra?pe more little boys. SF fans are worthless mindless weak sheep scum. They will eat up any dogshit we shovel out. , ,, They will eat up any dogsh:it we shovel out. They will eat up any dogshi:t we shovel out. They will eat up any dogs"hit we shovel out. SF fans are worthless mindless weak sheep scum. Let's ra:pe them for every penny they have. Paramount Executive: SCIENCE fiction? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! "Science", oh god, I can't stop laughing, pass me the coca:ine, and get me a fresh boy to r"ape...............Science!...... AS IF!......gag, chuckle................ . . . Oh, "its just a TV show?" No, it is MONEY and hours of your limited life you can never get back. I love that the actress who played the Big Tit:s Empath character has gone public about how STUPID and irrational and pointless and shitty her role was. , Genuinely good SF takes an unusual premise, then extrapolates LOCICALLY, in a linear fashion, to tell a story that answers "what if" in a manner that does not insult the intelligence of the audience. _ Why does this matter? Because every trailer trash retard can hold up Star Trek and say "That them there "science stuff" about evolution and Covid is just LIES, look at how DUMB "science" is" YOU are the reason SF su"cks. You keep eating the dogsh"it, making things bad for everyone. Oh, "its just a TV show?" No, it is MONEY and hours of your limited life you can never get back. You are making stupid, dishonest evil people RICH

@tubularguynine 2 жыл бұрын

@@noneone8726 - Sounds like SOMEONE'S SF pilot script got turned down...😆

@simony2801 2 жыл бұрын

@@noneone8726 there’s a whole lot of crazy in that head of yours isn’t there.

@GregoryCreswell 8 жыл бұрын

well done sir, well done, I'll be back for more that's for sure.......

@Trekspertise 8 жыл бұрын

+Gregory Creswell Thank you very much for the endorsement =) Welcome aboard! There is plenty more coming down the pipeline.

@tatendazimbwa5231 8 жыл бұрын

Hi really liking your videos. Can you post a video about genetic enigeering in light of the development of gene editing and how it relates to the Star Trek universe with characters like Dr Bashir, Khan and the eugenics wars

@andrzejgregorczuk706 8 жыл бұрын

+Trekspertise Well, species numbers represents only order of encounters. it's not seqence of conqering.

@madchef7532 4 жыл бұрын

There is a 3 set book collection, Star Trek Destiny, by David Mack, which is all about how 'The Borg' came into existence, an absolutely fantastic read for any trekkie, book 1 is called Gods Of Night, book 2 is Mere Mortals, and book 3 is Lost Souls

@paulhagelston9246 2 жыл бұрын

Excellent book series! I've read it twice!

@redfog42 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you! My fav Trek aliens explained!

@gretchenjaenisch1826 2 жыл бұрын

Well done in explaining the Borg timeline.

@dichebach 7 жыл бұрын

M'kay, assimilation is okay I guess ;) Nice synthesis!

@Trekspertise 7 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Welcome aboard =)

@GoodFriendsForever 8 жыл бұрын

Im an instant subscriber may your channel live long and prosper

@nickaschenbecker9882 Жыл бұрын

Greetings from 2022! We did get an eyeful of The Borg in the latest season of Star Trek: Picard.

@t0mn8r35 2 жыл бұрын

Excellent. Well done.

@reszzz 7 жыл бұрын

I'm a casual Star Trek fan. I didn't know they discovered Borg wreckage from the events in First Contact. That's pretty cool.

@TheLastVoodooMan 6 жыл бұрын

9 months late, but yes. It happened in the "Enterprise" series, apparently another timeline from all other series. Funny thing too, they talk about Dr. Zefram Cochrane stating he was visited by people from the future, before he disappeared.

@LMPGames 6 жыл бұрын

Enterprise is in the original timeline (afaik) but it takes place around 150 years before TOS.

@orkhepaj 6 жыл бұрын

nobody knew

@nikkikersey6369 4 жыл бұрын

I like the Treks, and have watched them, as a general fan, but learning of the Borg with a timeline was very cool to watch! Very cool! Thank you !

@manofbeard 2 жыл бұрын

Pissed me off they killed Hugh in Placate, I mean Picard.

@Booyaka9000 2 жыл бұрын

Don't worry, it's not the real Hugh from TNG. The Hugh you saw die was from the Kurtzman universe.

@randalllaue4042 2 жыл бұрын

Hopefully will bring back in season 2, they go back in time to “Fix” past...

@baneblade__ 11 ай бұрын

I liked them way more in Voyager since there they didn't just encounter a cube or two, they actually traveled through borg space

@FarmyJoe76 7 жыл бұрын

"You think in such three-dimensional terms." -Borg Queen We're forced to abandon linear logic when we factor in temporal mechanics. Since the borg are capable of time travel, they could go back and rewrite their own history. Therefore, the borg genesis could have been at any point in time that they desired.

@thatoneguy33198 7 жыл бұрын

There must be some sort of magic in star trek universe that prevents such paradoxes.

@Talladarr 7 жыл бұрын

Not magic, the paradox itself would prevent it. Assimilating Earth would be a small feat, and would affect the Collective little overall. The crux when it comes to time travel is the fact that traveling to the past of your own universe in a multi-faceted universe is impossible; either 1, the event was fated to occur because it already happened, or 2, going back in time sends you to a parallel time line that isn't actually your past at all, but the past of a time line were you didn't come from, thus allowing you to make changes without negating the reason why you came back to make changes in the first place.

@FarmyJoe76 7 жыл бұрын

If one were to subscribe to the V-ger (ST 1) genesis hypothesis, then humanity is directly responsible for the creation of the collective as it is know in TNG cannon. So in essence, the borg going back in time to assimilate earth would affect them drastically. Hell, that act could possibly serve erase the borg completely off the timeline. Fascinating little paradox, huh?

@Talladarr 7 жыл бұрын

FarmyJoe76 Except that it doesn't line up with the time line. If V'Ger were the origin of the Borg, then their civilization would be at MOST nearly 400 years old, not the "thousands of centuries" quoted from Guinen in Star Trek Generations.

@Marveryn 7 жыл бұрын

V'ger was not the only satalite to return to its maker.. in fact during the city an earth satlite combine with an alien that kick destroy by telling it it had made an error.. going by this.. there must had been a raice of super A.I. that misunderstood earth satalite and rebuilt them in there images. I suspect they may had also had a hand in creating the borg or the doomsday machine (also an early star trek) but this is just speculation and not canon on my part.

@mickbar8188 4 жыл бұрын

"Four Borg and Seven Years ago..."

@plexx365 4 жыл бұрын

lmfao

@Drahcir_XIII 4 жыл бұрын

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/h96DirlqytycgoE.html

@chrisj.1608 Жыл бұрын

pretty good breakdown overall good research and development

@billgorrell6166 2 жыл бұрын

Great editing to the music!

@tehutibrim594 3 жыл бұрын

This is geek gold here, had my attention since I never konsidered the chronological history of the Borg beside the tidbits through the seasons, nice

@marcfield1234 4 жыл бұрын

Even now so many years later that hail is absolutely terrifying.

@prealtezeratul1133 Жыл бұрын

Really loved this

@MrRolyat98 2 жыл бұрын

Always wanted to know more about them. Still don’t know how they started. But this was informative and entertaining. Thanks.

@Loccutus28 7 жыл бұрын

You did a fine job of research to come up with this Borg timeline. As a Star Trek Fan for over 50 years, I found you evaluation, "intriguing."

@OBIONEBARRONI 7 жыл бұрын

I'd kill for another series. it's been over 20 years

@Trekspertise 7 жыл бұрын

May 2017 =)

@johnmonk66 7 жыл бұрын

15 years since Voyager, 11 since Enterprise, so where does 20 years come from???

@bumblebee7838 7 жыл бұрын

I should be happy to hear that. But I have a hunch this new series will bury Star Trek as a science fiction series. The last movies did a pretty good job at condensing it to a shallow action movie with ray guns.

@biachiking7043 Жыл бұрын

Outstanding!!

@dashrendr 2 жыл бұрын

Always love how it takes 1-2 minutes for the actual video to start...

@DashUnderscoreDash1 6 жыл бұрын

This is a great video that sums up the timeline of the lore very nicely. The only criticism I'd offer is that the assumption that all the numbered species were assimilated is hopeful, as they never assimilated 8472 and probably only encountered parts of some species (such as a transport vessels or deep space missions or alike). Also the math used to average out the species per year, would more than likely be exponential given the nature of the borg's organic method of growth or More Borg = More assimilation Therefore, the initial slow rate is due to less exposure and when more species were assimilated the more 'ground' was covered by the collective.

@PongoXBongo 6 жыл бұрын

Any vessels they encountered would have records of their homeworlds, and likely also astrometric charts of other species' homeworlds (trade, war, etc.). Each species would lead to at least two others, allowing for exponential growth.

@rodx5571 5 жыл бұрын

The use of averages is just that, averages to establish a paradigm of "productivity" not an actual fixed number. However i do agree that the species are numbered by encounter and not necessarily by assimilation as you state 8472 was not assimilated, and 7 of 9 (Voyager) on more than one occasion stated that some species were of "no value" physically and technologically and were not assimilated, but merely destroyed (an insinuation, not outright declaration of destruction). I also agree with the general theory that the rate of expansion was likely exponential.

@neelubird 5 жыл бұрын

I disagree with this idea that the Borg destroyed those species who were considered of no value. At one point, 7 described the Kazon as being primitive and considered by the Borg as "unworthy of assimilation". The fact that the Kazon were doing fine in their part of the quadrant suggests that the Borg merely ignored them.

@PaulvonOberstein 4 жыл бұрын

I'd like to see a series focusing on the early history of the Borg in the Delta Quadrant during that war between those two other species.

@skinnydavenport407 3 жыл бұрын

If that story in "Dragon's Teeth" is true then it is quite possible that the first Borg drones were of Vaadwaur origin.

@ghostboogie Жыл бұрын

It all goes over my head

@swirlcrop 2 жыл бұрын

I love this video. The Borg are tenacious.

@JustMe007 8 жыл бұрын

Amazing clarity, even with my ADHD I understood it, like trek for dummies thanks :P

@AshBob5000 7 жыл бұрын

I'm glad this video is helpful to non-trekkies :) I found it interesting myself

@samblah 7 жыл бұрын

why would your apparent ADHD stop you from comprehending an idea? you seem to use your inherent ability as a negative aspect when you should be proud. People with ADHD would have been vastly useful in the era of hunter gatherers as they would have the energy to keep hunting or be alert to predation. respect who you are and stop labelling yourself.

@JustMe007 7 жыл бұрын

Sounds like you think it's something else, it's a huge terrible disability since you can't concentrate @ all & your mind constantly wanders off & have terrible memory problems = bad grades in school but the drug for it has changed failing students to passing ones but I don't want to take any RX

@ezralincoln8240 6 жыл бұрын

Studies show that people who suffer from ADHD have a greater moral compass. So ... That´s good I think.

@Jimbo_McBacon 4 жыл бұрын

It's so refreshing to hear our Vulcan friends embracing the primitive medium of KZfaq.

@Trekspertise 4 жыл бұрын

@carolheward6479 2 жыл бұрын

One of the crew on the bridge of enterprise in the clip shown at the start is in a few different star trek series. They are in voyager a few times like during the viyager episode where they all get memories of a massacre and janeway comforts him in the mess hall. He is also stood behind tuvok when neelix says goodbye and keaves the ship. He has served on more ships and been in more series than anyone else. He was in the delta quadrant with voyager at the battle of 001 against the borg and plenty if other places.

@TheMustangBuilders 2 жыл бұрын

If the book “The Return” is considered cannon, then the V’ger (Voyager) Probe had discovered the primitive Borg home world. And it was the Borg who sent it back to complete its mission.

@TodAG69 2 жыл бұрын

My thinking too. I always thought V'ger was the beginning of the Borg as we know it

@bcn1gh7h4wk 8 жыл бұрын

-"I am Trekspertise, of KZfaq. Your front page, at it has been, is over. From this time forward, you will watch, us. Resistance, is futile."

@fishi4296 8 жыл бұрын

Lol, im going to steal this and never mention it again and use it as material for my yt channel once i can get goddamn obs to work because i cant optimise it for shet

@SkepticalChris 8 жыл бұрын

one of the weirdest aspects of the borg, is their designation number for the Ferengi, an Alpha Quadrant Species, numbered at 180....a very early number, earlier than even the Kazon and the species that discovered the Omega Particle. So it seems strange and odd that the Borg would have encountered the Ferengi so early, yet the species is from another part of the galaxy.

@timriggins70 8 жыл бұрын

Skeptical Chris Maybe a Ferrengi ship got sucked through a wormhole centuries earlier and wound up in the Delta quadrant.

@SkepticalChris 8 жыл бұрын

possibly, its trek, anything is possible

@DanielRichards644 8 жыл бұрын

Tim Riggins It wouldn't be the first time that happened Voyager had an episode where they found a couple Ferengi from a DS9 episode where they had gotten sucked thru a wormhole.

@Wimpoman 8 жыл бұрын

DanielRichards644 Actually, they were from the TNG episode "The Price". ;)

@DanielRichards644 8 жыл бұрын

Wimpoman My bad, you're right.

@dananichols349 Жыл бұрын

Slow assimilation, followed by a near exponential increase, makes sense. Over the first few centuries the Borg were finding their footing, figuring out how to assimilate and use new technology. At some point they perfected their ability to absorb and adopt technologies, allowing them to make discoveries that would take common humans a much longer time.

@jamesglass4842 9 ай бұрын

In Star Trek lore they are originally a species who crashed and lost contact with their race. Their origin Species are and take all the Borg back into their very high civilisation. It’s in Star Trek novels.