1971 World Figure Skating Championships Ladies podium

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8 ай бұрын

I umm'd and ahh'd about posting this but as someone pointed out to me, it is a moment that changed skating. The winner of the ladies championship here was Trixi Schuba, despite only finishing 7th in the freeskate. But Trixi was the worlds best ever exponent of compulsory figures in a system that valued figures more than free skating. So when they watched Janet Lynn's mesmeric free skating and saw that, not only had she not won but wasn't even on the podium, the audience showed their disapproval in no small measure.
The tragedy here is that this wasn't Trixi's fault and it pains me that, what should have been a moment of great achievement for her, was spoiled in such a way. She won fair and square, but the audience just didn't get it. Yet this reaction proved to be a catalyst for change and the short program was introduced two years later.
N.B - any discussion of this result and ceremony should respect ALL the skaters involved. Abusive comments will be deleted.

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@skatefan9495 8 ай бұрын

Janet changed the sport when she wasn't on the podium in '71. After the Olympics in '72, the short program was invented for her (even though that will be denied). Ironically, she fell on the short program twice at '73 Worlds and could only manage a silver medal. But as we saw here, the audience demanded a medal for her sublime free skating.

@notnek202 7 ай бұрын

Janet had a lot of bad luck at international competitions. At the 72 Olympics she was forth after figures one of her best performances but of course Trixi was so far ahead even though she placed only 7th in the free skating, performing mostly single jumps she still won the gold. Janet got the bronze winning the free skating even though she fell on a flying sit spin.

@bevinboulder5039 8 ай бұрын

What a famous moment in figure skating history. Schuba gets the European version of booing and Janet Lynn's name is chanted. This was the death knell of figures counting for a majority of the points thank God. Thank you so much for posting this.

@lindaosika7648 8 ай бұрын

I miss figure skating. The Golden Age is gone.

@notnek202 8 ай бұрын

Figure skating was never the same again. But by banning figures & going from one Extreme to another has only in my opinion hurt the sport. Even Janet Lynn was against the ban.

@TroysPop 8 ай бұрын

I remember the chants and cheers for Janet Lynn but I didn’t recall how brutal the French were to Trixie.

@notnek202 8 ай бұрын

The public were outraged Janet won the free skate Trixi finished 7th and she’s on top of the podium. Of course back them it was all about the figures which were 60% of the score and kind of held in secret and Trixi got all 6.0 ridiculous so the public were suspicious it was political.

@Dossen_A 8 ай бұрын

Or maybe not the brutal French, but American and Canadian fans? After all, no one whistled about Holmes’ 2nd place, although she also performed poorly in the free program, taking only 5th place.

@notnek202 8 ай бұрын

@@waynehentley4332 sorry for my mistake. I stand corrected.

@Dossen_A 8 ай бұрын

@@waynehentley4332 each figure had its own coefficient, for example Counter 4, and Paragraph loop 6

@lvxmd 8 ай бұрын

What an awkward situation.

@renel2788 8 ай бұрын

Thank you so much for these wonderful memories of figure skating !!

@bufb 6 ай бұрын

The crowd loves Janet

@Dossen_A 8 ай бұрын

Here the figures were already 50% of the score (as ISU reg. from 1968). But in fact, the weight of the figures was even less, here Trixie had only 45.7%, and Janet Lynn only 40.7% of total score, because in the figures no one put 5.8-5.9, and they put no more than 5.0 -5.1. Trixie received on average 4,6-4.7 for each of their 6 figures (for last figure up to 5,1), Janet approximately 4.0 - the difference is huge.

@notnek202 7 ай бұрын

I don’t understand the scoring for figures back then. It Sounds like it was just a way for the judges to cheat but it backfired spectacularly in this competition. But to totally ban figures was a very bad decision for the future of the sport. Trixie should of gotten no higher then 5.0 for her free skating it was that bad Julie Lynn Holme 5.3 no higher for her pathetic & lackluster free skating.

@Dossen_A 2 ай бұрын

@@notnek202 No, points for figures are calculated very simply; even a primary school student can do this. For example, at this championship you put 4.0 for the “Counter” figure, then multiply by the coefficient 4 and get 4.0x4=16.0. And so on for each of the six figures. It's impossible to be fooled :)

@miloandtock1 8 ай бұрын

Well Trixi was waaay to far ahead to be anything but 1st, even though she was likely overmarked in her free skate, but seeing Julie Lynn Holmes' performance and skate, she should not have been on the podium, Karen Magnussen actually edged her in points but its ordinals that counted then, but Holmes' marks were too high for what she did compared to Janet...so it should have been Trixi, Karen, then Janet third. That might have made the audience more appreciative of the outcome and ceremony.

@waynehentley4332 8 ай бұрын

Julie Lynn's Freescale was definitely subpar!!

@notnek202 7 ай бұрын

Julie Lynn Holmes was a disaster at the 72 Olympics was 2nd after the figures but her free skate was pathetic falling 3 times placed 8th in the FS and 4th overall.

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@floskate 8 ай бұрын

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@bburt6397 5 ай бұрын

Karen looks positively radiannt.

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@notnek202 8 ай бұрын

The scoring system back then was ridiculous wasn’t it like 60% of the score for something that the public never witnessed. But figures should not have been banned.

@Dossen_A 8 ай бұрын

50%

@TroysPop 8 ай бұрын

I think it was a mistake not to cover the school figures portion of the competition better. If one evening had been devoted to figures the fans could have become more involved. Issue a medal to the figures champ, the free skating champ, and then the overall champion, similar to gymnastics.

@michaelvaughn2091 4 ай бұрын

60% for figures, 40% for free skating.

@ElaineSamuela 4 ай бұрын

Michael Vaughn: See "Memories of the 1971 World Figure Skating Championships" 31:01.

@ElaineSamuela 4 ай бұрын

Beatrix Schuba's free skating looked like she was skating compulsory figures from the waist up.

@npe1 8 ай бұрын

Whilst Janet was beautiful, it was unfair of the crowd to boo Trixi. Under the system that existed at the time, Trixi won fair and square and it wasn't her fault that figures counted for so much back then. What we had in the early 1970's was the greatest exponent of compulsory figures versus one of the most delightful free skaters in our sport and it just so happens that Trixi's huge lead in figures wrapped the title up for her on the first day.

@notnek202 7 ай бұрын

It was not fair. Trixi should of received 4.6 to 5.0 for her horrible free skate Julie Lynn Holmes no higher then 5.3. Holes proved what a horrible skater she was in the 72 Olympics 2nd after the figures then a disastrous free skate falling 2-3 times she finished 8th in free skater and thank god didn’t get a medal.

@npe1 7 ай бұрын

@@notnek202 It's universally accepted that Trixi Schuba was the best exponent of compulsory figures not just in her era but of all time. Figures accounted for 50% of the total marks back then and she amassed a massive lead in them., no other skater came close to her. Her free skating was uninspiring and wooden but technically it was not too far off the standard of her time and was not as bad as some people make out. I started skating in 1974, so she was just before my time and I used to hear everything about what a poor free skater she was. Then years later I saw her skate on the internet and it wasn't quite so bad as I was expecting. She used to do a couple of double Lutz's in her programme which was the standard of most women back then - only the outstanding free skaters like Janet, Gaby Seyfert, Karen Magnussen were doing double axels and as for triples only really Sonja Morgenstern was doing them - so Trixie's technical merit marks were average and her artistic impression marks used to drop. It was rude of the crowd to boo her, they could have shown appreciation for Janet without booing Trixie.

@notnek202 7 ай бұрын

@@npe1 Trixie’s free skating was the most pathetic thing I have ever seen & for her to even be on any podium was a total embarrassment for the sport.

@ElaineSamuela 4 ай бұрын

@@notnek202 When she free skated she appeared to be skating compulsory figures from the waist up.

@michaelvaughn2091 4 ай бұрын

@notnek202 How was it an embarrassment for the sport when Schuba excelled at the very component that the sport itself held to be the most important? Figures counted for 60% of the overall score. Not until 1973 was the short program added in an effort to balance the weight given to free skating and figures. Trixie may not have had Lynn's effervescent elegance, or Magnussen's speed and power, but her shortcomings as a freeskater should in no way detract from the accolades due to the greatest exponent of figures the world has ever seen.