I agree. Monica in 1995/96 was as strong as in 1991/92 if not stronger. She didn't win a lot only because upon the return to the competitiones she found Steffi really Super.

If she had her lost 2 1/2 years, she too would of uped her game. These matches would be on the same timeline.

@@danherrick5785 With her eating disorder problems and a father dying from cancer Seles would not have upped her game.

@carrerau7138 Give her back her two years and she would of turned into a monster. Her eating disorder was most likely a coping thing from the depression from the stabbing. The bottom line, nobody knows anything. Except the German Justice system is corrput from not punishing the stabber. That's all we learned for sure. And am I right, are you using her fathers cancer against her? Again, we only know more about Germany...

@@danherrick5785 I‘m not using Pa Seles‘s cancer “against her“. It is a valid excuse for Monica. Same as her eating disorder problems which started in 1990 according to her. To suggest that Seles would have been able to fend off a resurgent Steffi Graf in 1993-96 if it weren’t for that minor stab wound is asinine.

Ilya Kuryakin yea Navratilova Graf had great matches as did Navratilova evert

The rivalry was not allowed to develop naturally. The main point to note these days is that 1 of these great players still maintains a relationship with the WTA, whereas the other one has no interest in doing so. Funny that.

@@Smudgeroon74 Imagine if Monica did not lose her 2 1/2 years what skills she would of had during this year. This year would of been very different.

@@danherrick5785 No, Seles would have become fat anyway due to her eating disorder. And her dad would have been diagnosed with cancer in 1993 and died from it in 1998 anyway. I don't see how Seles could have stopped Steffi in the mid-90s. Simply would not have happened.

@@carrerau7138 She developed the eating disorder because of the depression because of the stabbing. I cannot deny the skill of Steffi, and If you really watch Monica, you also could not deny her talent. We will never know what could have been.

@@danherrick5785 The stabbing happened later, in spring 1993. The eating disorder problems started in 1990.

No, Monica is the best

@@craftypromise7814 We are talking about tennis.

@@carrerau7138 Monica was flying 8 grand slams . She wasn’t even 20 years old . If she didn’t get attacked in 1993 . She would be the only one in tennis.

@@craftypromise7814 But Monica won those slams when Steffi was in a slump. Don't believe me? 1) In the 1987-96 decade (= 120 months) Steffi missed only 7 slam finals. But 5 of them within 22 months between July 1990 and September 1992. 2) Steffi is 11-1 against Sabatini, 10-1 against Novotna, 4-1 against Garrison in slams. Her losses occurred in Wimbledon 90 (Garrison), at the USO 90 (Sabatini) and at the AO 91 (Novotna). 3) By far her worst loss at a slam was a 06 26 destruction at the hands of Sanchez. At the FO 91. 4) Steffi won 23 tournaments but lost in 24 tournaments between May 90 (begin blackmailing scandal) and April 93 (stabbing). But won 71 tournaments and lost only in 19 tournaments in the rest of the 1987-96 decade. 5) Steffi was 86-2 win/loss in 1989. But only 65-8 in 1991. And 80-2 again in the first 12 months after the Seles stabbing. Why can't you admit that Seles won her slams in the early 90s when Steffi played far below her usual top level? Why is that so difficult? And do you have any stats which show that woman players who won many slams in a 3-year period came even close to that success in the next 3 years? Why don't you come up with such stats to bolster your claims? So I just have to assume that you are a rabid Steffi hater, maybe because she German. Which is truly sad.

@@jebclar8859 wow. she won 10 slams after seles stabbing in 3 years.if seles was in prime she may get 3 and seles 7.with seles leading 15-14 at end of 1996.3 more years untill hingis serena arrival.seles would be tied with novak on 23 and graf forgotten at 16

@@stephenrdoc Which slams would Steffi not have won, you clown?

My Favourite is Steffi

​Steffi Is My Favorite Also! The GOAT! Steffi Is Simply The Best#

I love Monica: she is fantastic, but Steffi is Steffi.

Steffi won 79 against Monica's 66 points. 13 points more but only 3 games more. Yes, indeed this 79-66 sounds more like a 64 63 win.

? Did Margaret Court play ?

Sorry, I don’t care very much for Serena, but there is absolutely no doubt she is the greatest. I love Steffi but she’s a notch below Serena.

@@Jonmyers89 Seles was 2-3 vs Graf during her 91-early 93 dominace, didnt win a single match in straight sets, had a loss on every surface including 2 blowouts, and lost a Wimbledon final 6-2, 6-1. Yeah some thorough dominance of Graf, LOL! Seles nutters are crazier than Fed fanatics (and unlike Fed fanatics they dont even have that much to be cocky about)

@Illya Kuryakin Yes most Selesian nutters are probably Trump fans.

@@Jonmyers89 100% correct. Monica had Graf's number

Yes, incredible. Most people thought that Steffi easily would break Court's 24 slam record.

Barbara Potters' tennis analysis is the female equivalent of Johnny McEnroe...

Potter was an idiot of a commentator in this match. Her bias was as vicious as her own tennis play was utterly lackluster.

@@anthonydecastro6938 when I started watching womens tennis in 1995, I had no idea what was going on, but was loving watching it anyways. Especially Sabatini. And then of course the Seles drama. Potters commentary was to me, gave a nice background storyline and made the whole affair into somewhat of a soap opera. She was obviously impactful enough to cause irritation 29 years later. Never saw her play. But she sounded less ridiculous than others. Again, to my fledgling tennis ears if 1995. Xx

Federer never had a winning record against Nadal. Steffi is 10-5 against Seles.

Peak Steffi was always superior to peak Seles. Heck, even agains below-part Steffi Seles struggled a lot (was 2-3 H2H against Steffi in 1991-93!).

Luuana02 M. Steffi!

Luuana02 M. I fucking love Steffi. She is and will always be the greatest

Thanks to Gunter.

​@@chrato74 thanks to Gunter Graf didn´t have the opportunity to get more revenges

@@chrato74 Thanks to Gunter Seles laid back expecting the world to feel sorry for her when she came back and that would give her more motivation. Sorry but not sorry.

@@rolandgreen7484 Nah. The Williams' brought a taught, instructed, coached, screaming and howling to their game ONLY TO frustrate and distract their apposition. And, it worked. Without that, they would Not have won a handful (each) of their early wins. That can Not make Serena the goat.

@@markuse3472 Please the grunting trend started long before the Williams hit their primes.

John First I agree 1000%

Sorry correction required....GOAT is monica seles

iam rips Sorry due to what happened to her she isn’t even in the conversation.

@@Munkyjoe1 ya she always will be...You don't belong to that group who feels she should be. But that's not reality..

iam rips Nope sorry. It’s not only me, but none of the experts have her as the GOAT, none. She is one of the game’s greats, but not the GOAT. Good try though

Lost on many of her nuttier fans is the fact that, like her grunting, fitness is one thing Seles had 100% control over, and decided not to get in better shape.

@@broncoguy4862 who's your favourite female tennis player from the 1990's...

Boo hoo hoo, pity me. Oh I’m so overweight boo hoo hoo. Oh I love butter.

@@markjames1127 Boo hoo hoo, pity me. Oh I suck so much that one of my fans had to try to kill my main rival so that I can dominate again... boo hoo hoo.

@@whfan007 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭 I only got 9 cause I wasn’t fit 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭pass me the butter.

Busily preparing for an interview with Elvis Pressley.

Steffi was bettter than Monica in 96 no doubt ..but Monica in 93 would be a much tougher opponent for Steffi as Monica was always the more mentally tough player

@@bryguy0111 absolutely right....I just wanna forget Seles' comeback matches...she was so so accurate...

Sure---she was better after Monica had a knife jabbed in her back during a typical change over. Wonder how Steffi would have rebounded from that mental mind fuck.

@Max E I don't rate Seles graf matches post stabbing....overweighing Seles was a bad sight for me....conclusion is ...half effort of steffi was quite dominating in world tennis...likewise half fit Seles was obviously an easy prey to graf....if stabbing not done....both would have won 16 GMs each....just a guess

@Max E Try to understand....I am not young tm understand... I watched live 1988 wimbledon final...where martina had no clue...playing steffi to her forehand. Do I get sth with lying? Seles was smart enough to play to her weak backhand...One thing is astonishing....Steffi could not analyse why she kept loosing to Seles....she kept playing the same way....almost struggled in all final victories.... Is stabbing not done what would be ur GM tally of both great women ?

@Max E first of all at any cost I don't count the encounters post stabbing.... Other thing....winning a Grandslam final is 25 times superior than winning GERMAN OPEN....When chips are down Seles was up there....count the Grandslam final encounters pre stabbing. Stop comparing Italian open, German open to GRANDSLAM events....Sorry bro...don't feel bad. This s just a healthy debate...take it cool...

@Max E Hitting more winners is not as important as the outcome......I'm a big fan of steffi... Always wanted to see her through against Seles... Steffi to be frank far more superior player than Seles...Why she lost 3 slams is ....she puts only 60% effort on court...that 60% was almost matching Seles.... Try to get my point...when u can do sth ...why don't you?? Net attack, backhand drive are the things to put pressure on opponent...but Steffi not doing that...so i frustrated. One big positive between the two is...Steffi can adjust to any surface....unlike Seles. I'm just trying to figure out some weak points of Steffi....most of the times complacency killed her....Now tell me one thing....Why Martina lost 1988, 1989 wimbledon finals.....??????????

@Max E 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 No man....simple logic !!!!!! Martina played to Steffi's strength (strongest forehand) Seles played to Steffi's weakness (lacklustre backhand) This is called mind game....talent is the not only thing that put you high....use your brain to excel....😍

Steffi was playing far better in the USO 96 final than a year before. She said so herself.

@Max E Read her book and you might understand. Her physical wound was the last of her problems to come back

@Max E Again, the stabbing cost her more than a physical wound

@Max E whatever you say! ✌🏼

No, Sanchez and later Serena were the main beneficiaries. Seles would have peaked in 1999-2005 at age 25-31 and taken away multiple slams from Serena.

@@goodfellacr Seles of course emphasized this minor stabbing a lot to discredit Steffi's achievements. And almost doesn't mention the impact her dad's terminal disease must have had. And admitted only years later that her binge eating disorder started already in 1990 and was NOT caused this stabbing.

Chris evert also always was against graf

BiasED not bias. bias is a noun, not an adjective

Tracy Austin always unbiased while commentating....

@@sujanyadebnath4622 Seles, Potter, Evert all were represented by the IMG marketing agency (if I remember correctly).

Jeb Clem Graf is clearly the best. 😉 You omitted Graf’s tennis golden year - 1988, where she won all GS tournaments and the Olympic medal at the same calendar year. Note that up until now, no other tennis player man or woman has achieved the same feat. Not Seles, not even Serena. If you’re comparing who’s the better player between the two, you should base it on their head to head match ups. In GS matches, Graf leads 6-4. All matches, it was 10-5, for the great Steffi Graf. 😀👌 When Seles became number one, it was Graf who was leading their head to head 3-2, for the great Steffi Graf. Half of Graf’s 22 GS titles were achieved in her mid to late 20s. Graf’s last GS French Open ‘99, was achieved when she was almost 30 years. Seles’ last GS title, Aussie ‘96 was achieved when she was 22 years old. After that, Seles stopped winning any GS tournament. A number one Seles couldn’t win Wimbledon. A number one Seles couldn’t achieve the Golden Slam. A number one Seles couldn’t dominate Graf. It was 3-2, for the great Graf. Including their co-number one rankings, head to head was 5-2, still for the only Golden Slam achiever, the great Steffi Graf. 🤫👍

Steffi improved all aspect of her game, while Seles is busy building BAGEL around her waist and rely only in her two fisted forehand and and backhand, not to mention her grunt!, her grunt is tolerable compared to todays players who grunt so loud, some sound like shes having orgasm🤣🤣🤣🤣

I am a huge fan of Graf. And I am a huge fan of Seles. You are failing to grasp the full measure of what the sport of tennis lost because of the attack on Monica. Before the attack, teen Monica accomplished more than any teen in history and was on a trajectory all her own. She seemed destined to be the unquestionable GOAT. This is not to tarnish the phenomenal athleticism, power, grace and finesse of Graf, who is extraordinary in her own right and undeniably a champion, by any measure. But to compare the records of these two stars and ignore the reality of what Monica survived, and the reality of her accomplishments and her trajectory before the attack is wrong-headed. Don’t do it. Just accept the fact that the attack impacted our sport-it is what it is. Monica’s tenacity, mental strength, and sheer force of will of before the attack is simply unmatched, by Graf or any of the stars that followed.

In the 95 and 96 USO finals Seles's PTSD suddenly raised it ugly head again (after Monica had breezed to the early rounds).

Speak for yourself

In what? Munching most Big Macs within 60 minutes?

Sealed wasn't fit here, but Steffi was far better than she was in the early 90s. People seem to remember it that Sealed was beating Steffi all the time and took the No1 spot from her, but the truth is that she was losing to a lot of players (ones she was beating consistently most of the time) and Selena was just the best of the rest.

Seles not sealed, bloody autocorrect

gaaah Seles not Selena either!!

@Illya Kuryakin No I can't, or I would have done it, the edit function is no longer showing on Google Chrome, and I couldn't be bothered to try and find the video in the app to edit. What business is it of yours, are you the KZfaq police?

@Illya Kuryakin 🤣🤣🤣 Thanks

Seles could have broken all the tennis records. Remember this game, Monica should have won the first set; terrible call by the officials

Matt Liechty I was extremely happy too. Steffi played amazing here!

But then it gives bitter nutty Seles fans more to bitch about...at which they excel.

Comment truly sleazy.

If the world were flat.

144 points played, 28 unforced errors by Seles (19.4 %). Compare that to the famous 92 FO final - 238 points played, 66 unforced errors by Steffi (27.7 %).

@@carrerau7138 Yep. Graf beat herself, despite it being a very close match...unlike the one featured in this video where Graf wins in straight sets again.

@@broncoguy4862 But the lies by Selestial nutters never stop.

@Illya Kuryakin Steffi garbage graf got everything as gift from.the GOAT seles

@Illya Kuryakin again same post again and again LOL

@Illya Kuryakin hahaha sure watch that LOSERS incredibly crap achievement in an incredibly poor era Enjoy it son 😁😁😁

@Illya Kuryakin your comments doesn't deserve a reply. It's rather hilarious 😂😂

Not sure it was an ace. The replays seemed to show it was out. It's be interesting though if someone was to use today's technology to revisit controversial line calls. Monica lost that match because she wasn't fit enough to play that kind of intense match.

The last final Graf Seles, before Hingis break their domination in tennis.😊

Where did u see an ace in set point? See seles’ s face, it was clearly wide…

You r crazy

The better player still won. In straight sets.

Steffi herself said that this final was one of her best matches ever.

Yeah because people who commit violent acts always think rationally...

The stabber thought that Seles was better. He was obviously a lunatic.

@Illya Kuryakin Had Monica not been stabbed Steffi would have gone into oblivion long back. LOL

@Illya Kuryakin hahaha seles would have murdered Steffi if that stabbing didn't take place. She was extremely lucky. Really lucky. It's like running 100 meter race . Getting an obstacle for a short time and then somebody removes the obstacle and then running without any hindrance again. Hahahaha Steffi was a player without any opponent.

@Illya Kuryakin Hahaha LMAO. Steffi 10-5 against seles. But she won most of the matches when seles just came to the scene. The gap was reducing very fast. Within another couple of years Seles would have definitely turned the table upside down. Steffi is one of the luckiest player to have ever played the game.

@Illya Kuryakin oh surely... seles was only 19 when she was a multiple GS champion......At that age Steffi never dreamt of becoming a GS champ . Seles surely would have stomped Steffi mercilessly on every occasion. Seles would have beaten steffi everywhere

@Illya Kuryakin ya beating crap and amateur players my sweetheart

Yes, that‘s why #1-ranked Seles is 2-5 win/loss against Steffi, you clown.

Monica Milosevic Slobodan Seles was a fat cow. She was one dimensional and only had 9 😂

Yeah,Gunther parche will whipped your behind😂😂😂😂

@@jamesng6929But aren’t you ashamed? It’s nice you hold up your favourite athlete, but your comment of a unique squalor.

Sore loser that you are!

And the lies never stop. Parche spent about 6 months in jail, you maroon....

Nazi Graff.

Steffi was and is the most popular female tennis player of all time.

What a terrible delusion of grandeur and funny one at that😅😅😅😅😅😅😅fool

Same with Martina Hingis who had won 3 slams at age 16 and won her 5th shortly after her 18th birthday. Would have won at least 25 slams.

Seles was on track to get fatter due to her eating disorder. That the guy claimed he stabbed Seles to help Steffi is evidence that the hit was ordered by the Seles family. They just wanted her money. Seles would have peaked again after her dad‘s death and taken away most of Serena‘s slams in 1999-2005.

yes.graff seems happy seles got stabbed

@@stephenrdoc No, she was sad that the Serbian Screamer survived.

Hahahaha but of course Graf is nothing Monica is thee ultimate ..............God you Seles fans give Steffi credit for nothing just sad but everyone has there own opinion to me both great players i could see either beating the other .

Graff's Slams amount includes the help of a stabbing.

Zoharrah De Guzman You Seles fans are pathetic. You guys are poisoned by this resentment. You guys should be upset at Monica Seles for taking so long to come back from a minor little scratch. It wasn’t really a stabbing, it was nothing. If she didn’t want Steffi to dominate and she wanted to be the greatest ever she should have been back by Wimbledon 1993.

GeorgeHenryThomas when Federer passes Graf, we will forget her forevwr

It’s hard to watch this . Monica wasn’t half the player she was before the stabbing.