So you have to compromise your drive to maintain a range. What a waste of time and money owning one of these cars

​@@wokeybrokey8006isn't that true of any car......

Can add that ive driven it in -15 degree in 80km/h, and get around 150-160km of range.

​@@wokeybrokey8006​Yes, I got a lift in one once and I got Warts 🥴

TC is off you can see @ 17:02

Only if you have the traction control turned off as Harry did most of the time

It´s on Bridgestone tyres from the 70´s! They were sounding like that under Toyotas.

I was thinking thesame

What I do is sometimes get a tin of soup, heat it up, poach an egg in it, serve that with a pork pie sausage roll.

Spot on.

As an owner of a BMW i3S for almost 2 years, who doesn’t live in the city, I can tell you after the novelty wares off, you will soon understand the chore of charging, particularly as more electric cars are on the road and your looking for a place to charge. A range of 100 miles may well be fine if your in the city, but its a bare minimum, now add the cold weather of the winter where you need heater, lights etc and its reduced even more.

I just ordered one. I am hoping that we don’t need to install a level 2 charger. I am thinking of full charge in public charger then hope my mom won’t drive too much so that it can be topped up daily just on 100V plug

@ATS599 even if you do, go cross country and the regeneration will probably pile the miles back on.

Excellent, I'm pleased to hear it. Which is why I made the point at the end of the video that if a 100mile range isn't a problem for you, then you'll love this car. It's just where I live, a 100mile range would be too limiting for the type of trips we regularly do. Hence why this isn't the car for me.

@@harrysgarage I'm not calling you a liar harryy, but is that actually the case? you regularily need to drive more than 90 miles a day in what is clearly a second car? From your house it's 20 miles to oxford, 20 miles to swindon, 30 miles to gloucester. So you could so all those journeys there and back about twice in the 'lecy mini? My biggest "learning" after 4 years of short range ev ownership is that cars are like watches. Sure we want a watch waterproof to 1000meters, but actually we swim in the local swimming pool a few times a year and snorkled greece back in 2004... ie, despite owning a car that can do just 60 miles, that's actually MORE than enough ! ;-) Also worth saying that as workplace and destination charging facilities improve (and they have markedly in the 4 years i've had my i3) if you drive to oxford to go shopping, while you shop, your car will charge, so that journey is significantly negated For local trips even a boggo 7kW charger is more than good enough for this (45 min scooting around sainsburys adds 20 miles)

Best comment on here, exactly correct about range, people are obsessed with range and the makers are having to produce stupid big heavy batteries in EVs to offer customers what they THINK they need. What you actually want in an EV is the smallest battery that covers what you do in a day most days. Mini SE is an absolute gem of a car.

try test driving one. they're pretty fun to drive

Watch EV Puzzle he has driven one for a year and had 170 miles on it.

Totally agree - neither fish nor fowl, but it did drive in good manner on back roads, but it's not got range to use as log hauler and it's too big to nip in and out of small spaces in town - We had one for a week and yes we also got 78 mile worst day range. So we decided instead on a smart 4/2 electric 70 mile range £17000 incl grant, and a secondhand £22000 year old GTE golf hybrid 28 miles plus long range on petrol if you need it to go 100 miles + as the daily workhorses as we don't need a big 4x4 or Estate. Both are ace at the job they are expected to do.

CCD’s

Well looks like a Mini. I don't think it good or bad thing. The range however on paper is bad. Really bad. However Minis aren't really more than commuters/city cars so there the range doesn't really matter that much. If you can charge it home. Still it's really a stylish second car for someone who can afford one. As only car it doesn't make any sense. Just like any 3 door mini.

It feels like they are just testing the market. The current gen Mini has been out quite a while, and will be up for replacement soon. I expect the next one will be like the Pug 208 & Corsa designed from the outset to accommodate both ICE & EV giving more room for the battery.

@@philallen7626 But this isn't some radical new concept. Which market are they testing by converting a 20 year old design into a low spec electric vehicle and then burdening it with a high price tag? They've produced a car that no sane person would buy.

What you've still got a job .......

I'd have a problem with the £30,000. bit.

I have a problem with the no vroom and tire noise bit.

I have a problem with the electric cars bit.

Such a shame, it's freaking 2020. No expensive BEV should be less than 180 miles. A proper one would be slight over 200 miles.

@@levelcrossing150 I have a problem with your comment. That's the best thing about this Mini. The weight distribution and power makes the car more fun.

You are lucky to have so many EV options. I love the new Zoe interior. Too bad no Zoe in NA. Ordered the Mini SE. Hope that it works out for my family.

Get a second hand BMW i3 s much better package

And he got the charging infrastructure right, too! Teslas success is well earned. Edit, and power storage as well!

@@VolkerHett Absolutely and Harry did an episode that highlighted that being the case in the UK too.

The way that I have been looking at it is this. Now... it has HORRIBLE range, their is no getting around that. Something that Harry doesn't mention is that this car has the same engine as the BMW i3.... which was also bad. That said, when starting out... range is a horrible problem, but give it about 5 years or so. The Mini has about the same range as the second generation Kia e-Soul or the first generation of VW's e-Up. Both cars has improved nicely as they aged up (no seriously, the third generation e-Soul is pushing about 250 miles or so in range, that is pretty good for the expected use case). So long as BMW continues with the i-line of car's, the generation improvements will be bigger as the tech gets more refined. A second generation Mini Electric is looking to be interesting. I would not suggest the Mini Electric at this point if you are looking at the range, it doesn't have it and for now, that will not change. That said, an icon is in the market.... those badges do mean something to most of the market, and I don't think that BMW group is going to abandon EV's at this point, they have put too much money as it stands to not get some pay out of it. So watch the Mini Electric as it ages, because if history is a guide... this Cooper is going to do so with some grace.

@Dee Jay So if John is a Tesla Fanboy does this grumpy comment make you a Tesla Troll. :-). Not everyone gets the facts right all the time mate. I think the crux of what John was saying could probably be better explained by the battery management platform / system (BMS) and vehicle operating system. This is where Tesla has gone all out and developed in house, whereas most EV companies outsource this. This has given them a number of advantages including future vehicle to grid, charging platforms, remote management, data acquisition etc. I think the development of their own silicon probably helps with this as well. Add to this that the real battery nirvana is likely to be the first to nail commercially viable solid state chemistry. Tech aside, what Tesla really need to do is sort out build quality and service issues if they want to nail direct to market..

@Dee Jay Tut, tut...do keep your your hair piece on. Whilst what you say may be true, what is also true is that Tesla is building battery "giga factories" in numerous locations globally. But there is something more important behind this and much as I think Musk an utter twat, as a business they are not content to just make cars, they have thought it through and realised that they needed to invest in battery production, the most expensive part of the car and the recharge points. If you look at Harry's video on the Jaguar iPace and when he stops at High Wycombe you see the array of Tesla fast charging points there, impressive. Actually I am not a Tesla fan boy and wouldn't want one even if offered it but it is childish to spit and hiss as you have, do cheer up.

It's BMW parts bin. MK2 i3 pack and drivetrain but FWD

Just 100 miles range puts me off too, but a 25 year old internet Kid living in the big city? Maybe they would jump at this sort of car. Specially if they get a cheap 3 year lease as few people actually buy new cars anymore, most are rented.

@@ouethojlkjn 3 year leases are cheap?

But living in the city means access to a charging point which has to be at a charging station or in a private garage facility. An apartment dweller may not have either

Most superminis of the 1970s and 1989s had a petrol range of 150miles when driven like this. I3 is similar but much quicker than old Fiat 127 Sport. But like fat MINI not as good on narrow roads.

@@Ijusthopeitsquick I guess any lease cost is subjective but it is a favoured option over buying a £30k+ vehicle outright in cash.

@@johnsayer116 so what? 😂 You wouldn't buy one because your insecure about how you'd be seen as a BMW driver? Oh please... Didn't you see the part when he said the base car was 24k? That's still a fairly well specced car.

Wow. What a bargain

@@jamesbaggaley1460 Nice try at Trolling, but no cigar. I actually already drive a BMW (3 series touring) with no insecurities whatsoever thanks. I just fail to see how cars this limited can firstly be a viable alternative, and secondly justify £24k, let alone £30k+

I'm with you, that's less than two days commute for me. And it's a hell of a lot of money for weekend shopping Grandma

It's nothing but a second car for people who can afford a car they only use for a short commute - i.e. it's not the answer to any environmental question because building extra cars is not environmentally friendly. What this car does do is make the owner feel like they're 'doing their bit'.

It ain't small though!

It'd be a lot better for the environment if you bought 5 fewer Minis and kept the first one, no matter how much more efficient the newer ones were.

@@Pandamasque my carbon footprint is tiny so as much as you're right, I'm not concerned.

lol never noticed first time round hehe

It'll be heavier and use more energy. Unlikely to get more than new i3 42kWh

90 Miles range is unacceptable for an EV nowadays. I own a Tesla MS and M3, both are the 200+ as base models.

Alan Kingsley-Dobson both are bigger cars. Plus it depends on your individual circumstances. If you have a 10 mile commute to work then the range is fine.

@@michaelturnbull3981 Agree with that, but the efficiency of the Mini is poor. To put it in context I have a 28kWh Hyundai Ioniq BEV (same battery capacity as the Mini) and I can comfortably do a 220 km (136 miles) round trip to work on a single charge, with 80% on motorway (i.e not ideal for range). It has a lot of space for carrying kids and gear. The Ioniq isn't nearly as much fun to drive but realistically I couldn't use the Mini.

@@alankingsley-dobson4676 yes but they are both gigantic by comparison as well as massively more expensive

@@mddah01 well i do 180km trip in this car just fine avg 110km/h

the kona is great and the price is also reasonable

It's as though Mini ignored the number 1 barrier to electric car ownership i.e. low range, while the Koreans took notes.

@@bloccoaspirale1867 The Koreans understandably ignored the number 1 reason to buy a MINI: Fun.

@@insightman There's no fun in range anxiety.

F54 JCW 309hp is way more fun for the same price, no range anxiety. Each to their own I suppose

I've seen a few studies saying PHEVs are more expensive than ICE Or BEV to own over the life of the car. 2 power plants to service and the weight of both to drive around with.

Outlandish phib SUV claimed 148mpg real world excluding energy guzzled from grid. Reality was 28mpg real world plus electric power. Phevs neither fish nor fowel either engine burns fuel dragging unused heavy dead pack or pack hauls heavy ICE set up. Now dealerships not taking phevs in part exchange due pack failure (no proper charging regime or temperature control during charging degrades pack) #greenwash #addlightness #improveaero #fightvehicleobesity

Luke W A pure EV is dragging around battery dead weight 100% of the time, weather battery is full or empty. The weight of the motor pales compared to the weight of battery. A PHEV will always weigh less than a similar pure EV. The big reason that PHEV is the best spec is the availability of batteries. The world can build 10 PHEV for every 1 pure EV given today’s battery manufacturing capacity. So the world could, in theory, replace 10 ICE cars with PHEVs, dramatically decreasing global pollution compared to replacing 1 ICE car with 1 pure EV.

kWh/100km is normal for EU market as they use litres per 100km instead of mpg also useful energy comparison as 10kWh is 1litre of diesel approx for cost of public charging v fuel prices

@Dee Jay You didn't watch Harry's video, obviously.

BMW trials in USA and older smaller Mini E did similar tests before i3 launch but neither had much range. Especially in winter.

Regrettably, the Auto Industry would love EVs to just disappear altogether hence they do the absolute minimum to greenwash but their heart isn't really in it. their wallet certainly isn't.

The only way to sell EVs for less than £20K would be to mass produce battery cells (Economies of Scale) and so far only Tesla is mass producing Li-Ion 18650 cells in a partnership with Matsushita Corporation (Panasonic) and some state-owned Chinese company which has a benefit of producing batteries at a lower cost but all the other automakers have not commited to such a production line (Except for VW Group) because of the chicken and egg problem because all their cars are (BEVs that is) are uncool and are nowhere near as good as Tesla Autos which has streamlined production and now makes a profit on every car sold unlike everyone else who looses money on every EV sold and so they care not to invest in batteries and will continue to greenwash their customers into buying crap EVs with cells from LG Chemicals or unreliable piston cars that can only attain 20mpg. Eventually though Tesla will sell an EV for

@Howard Hamlin It was never about the carbon taxes or climate change/"global warming" it was about trying to make everyone poor and so far the UN has succeded in doing this across Africa and they were successful at doing it across Asia until the IMF forced India to deregulate the economy and other ASEAN countries followed suit (countries who are members of ASEAN that is). Global warming and carbon taxes were just a scapegoat in order to come up with an idea of new government controls since breaking the constitution wasn't politically possible in some countries

EVs will never be at the same price point as cheap cars now. The batteries will always be more expensive as a fuel tank. The extra weight also adds cost to the car. If we all move to electric cars, the people with less money will be the losers. They will simply not be able to afford a car anymore. I think a lot of politicians think they are saving the planet by this move, but in reality they are immobilizing the people which cannot afford much.

@@aDaWaN I suggest you research the price of batteries over the last 10 years, they are coming down in price and up in storage capacity. Volkswagen say their new id3 will cost the same as an equivalent spec golf.

Yes it was early on and 1345kg from memory!