props to that STI not blowing up for the review.

I love my 2020 Subaru WRX STI. It just feels so old school in a good way. Not too many newer cars provide such driving engagement.

Spot on for your review, I like both the WRX and STI but when WRX owners say they just have to increase their power and its same as STI is completely missing the point of STi, the handling. Not surprised you immediately noticed the huge improvement in handling between STI and WRX, the STI has front LSD and rear LSD and dccd for center diff, the WRX doesn't have any of that.

I owe a 22 BRZ and just recently purchased a 20 STI. Both cars are fun but very different. I will always prefer the light weight rear wheel drive car but really appreciate and dig the STI. Nice review!

Moved over from a 2020 STI to a 2023 BRZ and I think your review is spot on. STI is more fit for a daily, BRZ is better in most cases if you have other vehicles (or a partner's vehicle to borrow occasionally haha).

Correct, composure and grip = STI. I have a C6 and an STI, would not trade either one. Both just as enjoyable.

Personally, id pick the sti over the gr corolla

that sti sounds healthy. looks well taken care of. they are reliable when taken care of properly despite the reputation.

I’d really recommend giving the 2022+ WRX a shot. It’s a lot more car than most folks give it credit for.

Good review! I have both - my daily is a 2016 STi and my track car is a 2014 BRZ. They're in their own league for sure, and are both equally satisfying to drive. Very spot on about the shifting. The STi definitely doesn't like fast/quick shifts compared to the BRZ.

10:55 - I have an '05 STI, and shifting it requires a certain "feel". I really don't know how to describe it. But, it likes to be shifted in a specific way. If you do it right, everything falls into place effortlessly and quickly. If you do it wrong, it will punish you. That said, when you do get the right feel for it, it's very rewarding.

IIRC Subaru's longitudinal layout combined with the H4's short profile means it's less front-heavy than comparable transverse i4 systems like the Evo, Golf R, and GR Corolla. I used to have a WRX and I found it felt more balanced and natural to me than comparable transverse i4 cars.

After mostly ignoring the new VB WRX, I rented one on Turo and loved it. I've been craving content, especially ones comparing the VA STi and GR Corolla to the new VB WRX, so both of your video ideas of VA STi vs VB WRX and STi (or VB WRX) vs GRC would be awesome! I guess you can find VA STis for similar prices to a new VB WRX, so that's another argument to make for a comparison. Thanks for another awesome comparison video!

Great review BTW. I appreciate the spontaneity and honesty of the STI impression.

Had a 2013 and 2015 STI. Both stock power, no engine mods. I blew both of them up doing many track days. I have a 2023 BRZ now, have done half a dozen track days, hopefully nothing blows up! LOL.

Had a 2017 STi for a year as my daily, got annoyed with the ride, the factory Si drive settings, the fuel economy, and the seating position. Sold it for a MK7 GTI, which made for a way better daily, then sold that for my GR86 when I had my third kid and needed a real family hauler for daily duties. Now? I wish I had the STi back. Could haul a kid or two, more engaging motor, just swap in a Recaro seat, do some coilovers and a remote/pro tune and I'd definitely prefer that to the 86.

The STI used to be my dream car when I was a student still, now my preferences changed (I loved the 2006 STI, but the current ones I don't find as appealing) and I went for the GR86/BRZ as my new dream car which I should get pretty soon. But admittedly one point where the this STI is much nicer than the GR86/BRZ is the sound... Sounds really so much better. I guess it's a lot to do with the newer regulations that newer cars tend to sound more silent and worse, but still, I feel like they could have used that active sound to an advantage by producing a nicer sound, rather than emphasizing it's natural sound like they kinda tried to do now.

I’m a bit like you where I get to drive everyone’s car (although it’s to work on them not report on them), and often times I realise I hit the same terminal speeds in the same streets. My wife’s second car is a first gen 86 auto and it generally hits the same speed as cars with a lot more power, much like what you said about the STI. The real world speed difference isn’t necessarily that high.

Love that that in my STI i was able to have fun driving around by myself on Friday and the next day load the family up (with a baby seat in the backseat and all of our luggage) for a beach trip.

I got a 2020 Subaru WRX STI because of the markups and waitlist for a GR86. I got mine $4.3k under KBB, that had 1 owner before me and all service records. It is my first non-Toyota in over 15 years. Previously I had a wannabe Celica GT-Four (not awd), 2 Toyota MR2 Turbos, a Toyota MR2 Spyder, and then a 4Runner. My 2020 Subaru WRX STI is a target for many cars looking to prove their dominance. So far I have not lost to a single mustang. The last one which was my most recent race, was with a new 5.0. I beat him on the street from a dig and then at a 30mph roll. We stopped around 85mph since we were on a street and approaching an overpass. His nose stayed at my front tire the entire time and his car was very loud and sounded menacing. The next light we both rolled out window down to say great race, but he was really in shock and praised my car. I was shocked too but I didn't know what to say. He asked if it was stick which it is, and makes me wonder if his was or automatic. He was a younger guy maybe in his 20s. I am now 41yrs old. Anyway, I want to believe my Subaru is stock, but I wonder if something was done to it, as I only get 12mpg and it has under 50k miles. I heat of E85 tunes and they still get more mpg than me. So it makes me curious. All I can see mine has is an exhaust and it isn't even catback, but axle back.

Cross shopped both and bought my BRZ with 5k miles in November at 34k. Not terrible. Still cheaper than all the STIs

Just stumble upon this channel, oddly satisfying review because I also own and daily my 2016 STI since 0 miles and just hit 80K miles last weekend lol. Still on original engine, some bolt-ons and dyno tuned, nothing blew up yet haha For track day duty, I added oil cooler, replaced oil pick-up and it has been reliable ever since. I took it to Laguna Seca 1 weekend, then gone straight to Tahoe for snowoarding next week, then took my grandma grocery shopping the week after. Only changed oil and tires after. I am not a hardcore track driver, but it's kinda awesome enough for me to have fun all seasons year round....

GRC/STI comparison video would be great. I've owned an Evo 8 and 9, and my current car is a 21 STI. I look back fondly upon the Evo's, I don't think I've ever liked a car as much as I have those. They had a sharpness and directness to them that I haven't experienced since. I didn't even modify them as the handling was great bone-stock. The STI by comparison is a bit softer and more stable - adding coilovers and rear sway bar has done wonders for the handling, but I still don't think it matches the connected feel of the Evo. Maybe it's a case of nostalgia clouding my memory though.

I suspect the STI does not have a roll center kit installed. Steering center is affected after lowering on that car.

Glad you're still loving the brz. I'm surprised you daily it with that exhaust setup. is it the AWE touring?

The STI feels pretty good and the brz as well I think you would enjoy a legacy 2005-2008 3.0r spec b if you have them in the USA but a automatic 5 speed is super fun as well would be a good comparison to the STI

Have you taken the oil pan down

Recently traded my 2016 STi for a 2022 GR86 I owned a 2013 frs prior to the STi and the lightweight rwd formula is just much more enjoyable for me to drive daily. I live in the south so no need for awd. Great review I agree with a lot of the points you made, especially about being able to shift quickly.

Where are you getting 240hp from for the BRZ. Maybe i live under a rock but ive never heard that before.

Subaru brz for reliability but soon as you mod it might aswell go the sti route..the brz front suspension and lack of torque turns me down even my lexus gs300 daily driver has double wishbone setup

I test drove a sti about a month ago i didnt like the seating position but other than that its an awesome car

i have a 2017,and 2019 STI.Just bought a GR86 two months ago.All great cars!The STI's were a steal when I bought them!I have a 2008 Corvete Z06 that i bought new for 65,000.The STI's were half the price!

Moved over from an evo10 to new brz, everything except power and daily is better.

10:30 that’s literally what you want for a sports car. A wheel wanting to return to center for more tight cornering…

Where I'm from an abused 2013 STI will resale for 25k glad I got into my 18' when I did 28k 14,000km no collisions been an awesome car

What is your opinion on a s2000 vs 1st gen 86/brz as an engaging track car. Is the F20C much better than the brz, chassis more nimble?

dang wish you could have tested my sti! got some coilovers, track brake pads, killer bee oil baffle & pick-up, 200 tw ad09 tires, and bucket seats. Still on stock motor and turbo (untuned). Super on the canyons and still getting a feel for it on track. Better than my old fr-s and brz for canyon work. heh

Pretty good review man great work

I'd like to see the new WRX and how you felt it compared to either car

Either his guns are from turning all the time or he's been hitting the gym

Zygrene - hire someone to work on your title screens, it will help with your views.

Drove a, 2018 and newer with the new electronic center differential big difference. And the six piston front brakes.

Hey bro where are you at in the vid? I wanna take my WRX and have fun with those turns! That's for the entertaining video!

That COBB OTS tune should be good for more HP than that. Should see quite a bit of torque especially around 4k. My 2018 STI Type-RA when I had it showed a ton of torque with just a tune, but I wassn't really a fan of the power band being so much in the middle and not much at the top or bottom of the rev range.

This is gonna be good!

Bro track mode homie

Funny that they’re the exact same speed

Are you planning on getting a full exhaust on the car? SME seems to have a really good 4-2-1 header that doesn’t drop top end performance. It is rather pricey, and shipping from Australia isn’t cheap either. But it seems like those are the best headers for the 86/BRZ on the market.

Been wanting for this one!

Why not test it against a 2022 wrx? It’s sad how slept on and purposely ignored the new wrx is considering how well it’s been doing. We get videos of Elantra N vs STI as if they’re in the same class which is a joke, meanwhile the VB wrx is gapping the same STI’s BuT tHE ClaDdiNg

Interesting comparison, but probably good to remember the STI new would have been at least 10k more than a BRZ. The GR Corolla Morizo looks like the closest thing to the last generation of STI, for more $$, but probably more reliable, if less utility (2-seater ). Toyota site showing more cargo space in GR Corolla than STI, which does not compute, but maybe because it's a hatch? Meanwhile, I just went state 2 on my '21 WRX and couldn't be happier! Ignorance is bliss!

NICE! Two cars I''m interested in for fun!

Showing bias but I've never been a fan of the WRX sti. Combination of sound and design strokes me the wrong way.

Damn right. "I'm just happy this car exists" - couldnt have said it better. The miata might get another re-skin, but nobodys redesigning these things from scratch. I put my money where my mouth is, my 23 BRZ delivers Thursday. Unless something dramatic changes, I will pay off and keep this car forever. One last, REAL, Japanese, RWD, manual, NA sportscars sub 3000 lbs. If you can find one for sale in 10-15 years (that isnt overpriced AF) I'll eat my hat

10:25 it’s because of the diffs.

What road is this? Great Video

Please make a vb video comparing the brz vs vb or sti vs vb

Is this a battle to see what engine blows first?

I wish you were in socal ! I have a 2022 wrx. Interested in what you think of the new platform from a driving point of view.

Why not compare the new WRX which is kind of a better car than the old Sti?

How does your BRZ rank as a driving experience vs your other cars like the NSX?

the sti is typically in 1-2 classes above the brz and should be faster mod for mod. track layout can definitely change things

Not in northeast brz dealers asking 10 to 20 over

STI are the mountain climbing kings.

BRZ plz

Can anyone let me know how you can put 17 inch wheels on the brz. Isn’t it 18 inches from the factory?

5:25 you act like you can’t add Hp yourself lol. Simple upgrades.

1:39 i dont get what these excuses for, just turn the goddamn wipers on. it's not bothering anyone though to be that meticulous.

I'm surprised the STI still hasn't blown up yet........😄

surprised the sti didnt blow up

Sti is great on gravel and snow. Tarmac not so much

Sti would be cool if it wasn’t 30k without a warranty then it’ll blow

No way the sti is better to drive unless you are on a loose surface

I have a 2019 STI. I changed to 18” forged titan7 wheels and FA500 coil-overs. Those two things made the car lighter and improved the ride quality a ton. The stock 19” STI wheels are trash. They are heavy and impossible to clean with all the spokes (the spokes make it very hard to clean the calipers too). I added an AOS, cylinder 4 cooling mod and a front strut tower brace and thats all. I never tuned it because I have faster cars to drive and the stock tune doesn’t bother me enough to spend money on an access port. I really enjoy driving the STI. It’s quick, roomy and handles like cars twice it’s price. It’s not perfect but it’s so unique compared to todays cars I’ll probably never part with it.