2024's Reference 4K Transfer! DUNE Part 2 4K UHD Review

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Shane Lee

Shane Lee

Ай бұрын

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@Eva01-jy2qu7pu9r
@Eva01-jy2qu7pu9r Ай бұрын
The sound design and visuals are definitely the highlights of this movie. If you wanna show off how good your home theater is, this is the movie for you.
@HossLUK
@HossLUK Ай бұрын
I had never felt those dolby cinema seats shake as violently as the did during the worm riding scene. It genuinely left me speechless how impactful it made the entire sequence and it made me immediately want to add some shakers to my own seats at home just to prepare for this movie when i buy it.
@TIMMAYY7
@TIMMAYY7 Ай бұрын
It was a cinematic experience of a lifetime!
@thejman3489
@thejman3489 Ай бұрын
I saw it in IMAX. At times it felt like the seats were going to come unbolted from the floor.
@Xxx-hk6mk
@Xxx-hk6mk Ай бұрын
Rip imax aspect ratio
@robertrobitaille320
@robertrobitaille320 Ай бұрын
Some one need to fired at Warner Bros.
@yungfolks2525
@yungfolks2525 Ай бұрын
I guess the imax ratio exclusive only in cinema. But i really hope they will released it later :')
@KonohasYeIlowFlash
@KonohasYeIlowFlash Ай бұрын
⁠@@yungfolks2525Nolan’s films from Warner Bros. get expanded aspect ratios, and the Marvel films on Disney+ have IMAX Enhanced versions as well. I don’t think this is an IMAX decision nor a director’s decision-I think it’s a Warner Bros. decision. They might release it on Max in a larger aspect ratio or release a trilogy box set down the line with an expanded aspect ratio. Considering the whole film could be presented in 1.90:1, they could have used that aspect ratio with minimal letterboxing.
@Xxx-hk6mk
@Xxx-hk6mk Ай бұрын
I find it funny that you guys in the comments are agreeing with me you are making me a proud dad moment
@wadimek116
@wadimek116 Ай бұрын
I don't think it was filmed with that in mind, shoots composition falls apart in imax format.
@Spawn005
@Spawn005 Ай бұрын
Amazing, if only WB would have blessed us those IMAX UHD, I can only wonder how it would've looked.
@510maddog
@510maddog Ай бұрын
If Shane says it's reference, IT'S REFERENCE!!!
@Jay37_tech
@Jay37_tech Ай бұрын
Yup
@lloydgalatas4533
@lloydgalatas4533 Ай бұрын
Is this the first 10/10 audio video rating for a movie on the channel?
@Antimonkat
@Antimonkat Ай бұрын
first I've caught, but I havent watched every review, I was wondering
@dannyhe8281
@dannyhe8281 Ай бұрын
also for blade runner 2049,another Dennis film
@cafiveohsrockbandremix9254
@cafiveohsrockbandremix9254 Ай бұрын
I think he may have given a 10 to the first Dune and Pacific Rim as well
@kilroy4103
@kilroy4103 Ай бұрын
This was a first for me as well. After the first 10 for video and I thought he was going to say 9 for audio let alone 10. So this was a perfect 10 for Shane.
@patrickwilliams1801
@patrickwilliams1801 Ай бұрын
Where have you been Shane? You have missed tons of 4K movie releases over the last 6 months. We miss you. Give us more 4K UHD reviews please!!!!
@patrickwilliams1801
@patrickwilliams1801 Ай бұрын
There is First Level Media, Steelbook Obessed and In Search of Physical Media all with their physical medial forums. And then you with the actual video and audio presentation of it.
@operator8380
@operator8380 Ай бұрын
We’re back baby!!
@garyharper2943
@garyharper2943 Ай бұрын
Preordered the 4K, can’t wait!
@bigben9056
@bigben9056 Ай бұрын
yeah,must buy.sadly its not a blockbuster,so im not sure if we will get 3rd movie.its not a general audience movie,but im still mad it didnt do that 1bln.nah,fuck streaming and studios that kill cinemas by rushing premieres on streaming to gain subs .other thing they make today mostly trash.this movie is just on another level
@jdx4174
@jdx4174 Ай бұрын
The third movie is already confirmed and is supposed to air in 2027. The second one made over 600M on the global box office, which was enough.
@TheCrucialQ
@TheCrucialQ Ай бұрын
Thank you! Shane I really miss your sound and picture quality reviews on new releases.
@IOSALive
@IOSALive Ай бұрын
Shane Lee, I can't get enough of your content, so I subscribed!
@Jay37_tech
@Jay37_tech Ай бұрын
Please keep doing reviews Shane, You’re the best 🙏
@stevea6054
@stevea6054 Ай бұрын
Tried to hit like on this review at least a few times! Can’t wait for this flick and many more reviews! Glad you’re back Shane!
@darealestwon
@darealestwon Ай бұрын
When I saw this in IMAX, my first thought was to the grandfather sand worm scene, and how it had more bass than any movie scene I’ve ever heard, and how it will sound at home.
@CarlosJimenez-mr7lh
@CarlosJimenez-mr7lh Ай бұрын
(From Guadalajara, Mexico)... Thank you very much Shane for getting back to reviewing 4K movies... You have been my guide for buying every single 4K disk I own... and also the motivation for buying the cinema equipment to enjoy them... my next purchase will be for sure Dune part 2 based on your ratings... Thanks again, and wish you the best.
@datdudeinred
@datdudeinred Ай бұрын
Lol when asked why dune part 1 wasn't released in imax ratio Denis said there is atleast 1 imax physical media print out there. There's none. Once again dune part 2 despite being entirely shot in imax ratios still doesn't even have same aspect ratios in physical media what a disgrace. Heck no one's asking for full imax 1.43 ratio but atleast give the 1.98:1 aka16:8 ish aspect ratio of imax in Blu-ray. All hail the Chris Nolan. ❤
@shinedown54
@shinedown54 Ай бұрын
Missed your 4K reviews!
@Paranimal86
@Paranimal86 Ай бұрын
Yeah this channel is great but I don’t care for the 3 hour drunk live stream conversations about high end audio that cost as much as my 1/2 million dollar house like it’s something people are looking for…. And I like my booze just miss videos like this. This channel should seek more moderate budget talks and how they are mostly on par with insane products if they want more views. I just don’t care to watch 2 hour round tables about products that cost as much as car anymore…. It’s really not impressive and when you break most of those products down they aren’t ground breaking and prey on the OCDs of rich guys with endless amounts of money.
@darealestwon
@darealestwon Ай бұрын
I’m so glad you’re doing reviews again I used your affiliate link to buy my preorder. I’ve been not so patiently waiting for you to get the theater reassembled so you can do disc reviews
@Mowglibaloo2
@Mowglibaloo2 Ай бұрын
Is this the 4k bluray you are reviewing or a digital stream?
@thejman3489
@thejman3489 Күн бұрын
I had a problem with the audio balance. I got the standard Blu-Ray and a samsung soundbar/sub with no surround sound speakers. The problem I had was dialogue was too loud. It made most music and sound effects seem like background noise in comparison. For example when they shot down the helicopter and it came crashing into the ground it sounded great. However the next scene with them taking in the tent is noticeably louder. When you adjust the volume for the dialogue, then the helicopter crashing scene is so quiet that it has no impact. The whole movie just seemed dull because of the dialogue being so loud. Did I get a bad copy? Do I need a souround sound system to fix the audio balance issues? I suspect that maybe the dialogue is in the center channel and sound effect/music is in souround speakers which I don't have.
@ants9574
@ants9574 Ай бұрын
Can’t wait!!! Going to see this in Dual Laser 1.43 IMAX this weekend!
@whitecrowuk575
@whitecrowuk575 Ай бұрын
Can you already get UHD? Can’t see in Uk yet
@Bluboy30
@Bluboy30 Ай бұрын
This is my favorite movie of the year so far. Saw it twice in theater, once at Dolby Cinema and the second time at Screen X with DTS: X. To the DTX: X fanboys/girls out there, the Atmos track outshined DTS for this movie. The DTS: X didn't sound bad, in fact, it was very good. But the bass was lacking compare to the Atmos track. I can't wait to watch it again on my home theater.
@AuggieG
@AuggieG Ай бұрын
Shame that there’s no IMAX aspect ratio on the home release. Wonder if they’ll ever release a collector’s edition with the IMAX scenes.
@jamesc1760
@jamesc1760 Ай бұрын
Glad to see you’re back reviewing 4Ks Shane! 😊 Are we going to get an Oppenheimer review soon? (Pls I hope so)
@vikramsv5656
@vikramsv5656 Ай бұрын
Watched @ IMAX,like you mentioned the sound was phenomenal my seats were literally shaking @ times as well the great visuals in IMAX..... waiting for the Bluray
@rogerhalt3991
@rogerhalt3991 Ай бұрын
The only movie that has made me feel I want to treat myself to a decent sub. Incredible mix and visuals to boot.
@leouddhav1
@leouddhav1 Ай бұрын
Is there somewhere a consolidated list of the movies that Shane has reviewed with their respective audio and video scores?
@peveglp
@peveglp Ай бұрын
Thank you, Shane
@guillermomartin8248
@guillermomartin8248 14 күн бұрын
which model of theater seats are those? Thanks!
@therealshanelee
@therealshanelee 14 күн бұрын
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@keepingupwiththejones2933
@keepingupwiththejones2933 Ай бұрын
Loved this movie in the theater. Even better than the first film IMHO. I really hope we get part 3.
@jamesc1760
@jamesc1760 Ай бұрын
Shane between Blade Runner 2049 and Dune Part 2 which would you pick as a demo disc for both audio and video? Or would you say they’re both even?
@rosstee
@rosstee Ай бұрын
Both 10s, amazing films with exceptional AV.
@WoLShiverify
@WoLShiverify Ай бұрын
I havent seen part two yet, but the opening music ln your video sounds like the same keys from zimmer on BvS.
@wendellwendellb339
@wendellwendellb339 Ай бұрын
Wow Shane, a dbl 10 review! You gonna do a review of G x K: The New Empire? I would think there is a lot of demo scenes in that movie.
@victorfontaine5552
@victorfontaine5552 Ай бұрын
Shane, what is the size of the Kaleidoscape file?? Wondering if it is more than a 100Gb disc.
@Krrish85
@Krrish85 Ай бұрын
At 4:00 it says 89.3 Gb I think
@Tidbitkid
@Tidbitkid Ай бұрын
​​@@Krrish85Kaleidescape currently doesn't have Dolby Vision support Codec so probably a bit more in file size when on Disc. Also Extras too.
@kaiwilliams500
@kaiwilliams500 Ай бұрын
Shane, can you do a review on Gran Tusismo. It was amazing
@leapingtortoise
@leapingtortoise Ай бұрын
Already got my steelbook pre-ordered
@jeremyj.
@jeremyj. Ай бұрын
Finally! Must feel nice to be settling into your theatre. You might have to do a re-Watch of some of your top scoring movies to compare with your new setup.
@davidrivera2165
@davidrivera2165 Ай бұрын
I am eagerly waiting for my copy to be delivered on May 14th. Loved it in Dolby Cinema theater. I know I will have to bring down the gain on my subs, otherwise the house might just collapse on us ( I usually go above 100 dbs).
@MarquezDaniel
@MarquezDaniel Ай бұрын
I had to turn down my sub and I just have a basic klipsch sub lol the bass is indeed house rumbling 😅
@hababacon
@hababacon 25 күн бұрын
Thanks for the review. I didn't care for the first one but I'll probably pick this version up.
@charlesarringtonjr.8109
@charlesarringtonjr.8109 Ай бұрын
Wow! Perfect Score! I expected nothing less! Exhaustive review! Thanks, Shane! Looking forward to checking it out this weekend!
@therealshanelee
@therealshanelee Ай бұрын
Let me know what you think.
@anthonyalvarado1635
@anthonyalvarado1635 Ай бұрын
Wow.10 10 Impressive. I loved the first one in 4k blu ray it has some demo worthy scenes as well.
@Darthbishop
@Darthbishop 28 күн бұрын
Ok, so I have a copy of the UHD disc of Dune Part 2. It comes in at close to 70GB. I am not sure how KScape is getting 90gb. They must be adding multiple ATMOS tracks and DD+ tracks for different languages.
@therealshanelee
@therealshanelee 28 күн бұрын
They use less compression.
@top6ear
@top6ear Ай бұрын
Saw it in theatres and home theatre. I probably had the worst seat for sound but the sound seemed pretty epic
@PochisMovies
@PochisMovies Ай бұрын
have you tested aquaman 2 in 4kbluray im wondering how good it is
@conflicto7575
@conflicto7575 Ай бұрын
Visually is good but the movie is for kids
@jeshuruncarlos6649
@jeshuruncarlos6649 Ай бұрын
10/10 for both Audio And Video !!!
@cheekster777
@cheekster777 Ай бұрын
Thanks Shane.
@MrCtmcclain
@MrCtmcclain Ай бұрын
this is good to know since I've already pre-ordered this on amazon. I still have "The Crow" coming out the week before (...if I'm correct). I saw this is IMAX (in IMAX) ...but I am okay with this shown in scope for 4k UHD. I did love the mix for this movie and Part 1 one more than "Blade Runner: 2049"'s dolby atmos mix which was just noise in my book ( I told the AMC theater at the time that my ears were ringing from that mix). Dune Part 1 and 2 were loud in all the right ways and just better mixed in my book. The presentation visual for Dune ( outside of the truly stunning Feyd area sequence) in IMAX was fine in my book...but it was no "The Dark Knight" or "Dunkirk" in my book.
@jimmyb2655
@jimmyb2655 25 күн бұрын
Not putting in the Imax ratio feels icky. I feel like there will be another release so they can double or triple dip on this masterpiece. I'm holding off until I see a boxset with part 1 & 2, with the imax ratio.
@joseismelreyes3879
@joseismelreyes3879 Ай бұрын
Perfect!10+10🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿I missed 4k Dolby Atmos reviews......
@pooter4e552
@pooter4e552 Ай бұрын
Just watched this with dual Arendal 1723 S2 and it was rockin.
@bryantbowie
@bryantbowie Ай бұрын
Double 10! I think I’ll watch it this weekend
@balacisco
@balacisco Ай бұрын
dont understand kaleidascope is 2.39:1. Streaming in superior 1.90:1, understood Kscope has more bitrate High quality, but why not 1.90:1
@cafiveohsrockbandremix9254
@cafiveohsrockbandremix9254 Ай бұрын
Thanks for the review Shane! The Dune Pt. 1 disc audio mix is tough to beat so I’m happy to hear this one has a killer audio mix with earth shaking bass as well. Neighbors be damned once I get my copy because I’m cranking it up!
@peppersmith
@peppersmith Ай бұрын
Wait, What. Is this the First 10 for Audio🤯😮AWEsome, Now i can't wait to get it....👍
@danielwander605
@danielwander605 Ай бұрын
I’ve been sitting the first Dune 4k Blu Ray for a long time now. Guess it’s time to give it watch so I can download Part 2 and see what all the hype is about.
@DarkoFitCoach
@DarkoFitCoach Ай бұрын
Not seeing dune 2 in cinema or even imax is a disgrace
@danielwander605
@danielwander605 Ай бұрын
@@DarkoFitCoach hey man, I saw Ghostbusters: Frozen Empire opening weekend, so I’ll wait for your apology.
@DarkoFitCoach
@DarkoFitCoach Ай бұрын
@@danielwander605 Apology denied, capt. Needa (all in Darth Vader voice)
@rosstee
@rosstee Ай бұрын
​@@danielwander605 You decided to go and see Ghostbusters: Frozen Empire on the big screen but not Dune part 2? Oof.
@danielwander605
@danielwander605 Ай бұрын
​@@rosstee Yep. I wasn't going to see Dune 2 without seeing the first one. Just haven't been able to get motivated to watch it for whatever reason. Also, more often than not Im happy to save the experience for the home theater. Ghostbusters gets an exemption though, so back off man, Im a s scientist.
@coyley72
@coyley72 Ай бұрын
Whoa!! a 10/10 .. I'm so pleased. Can't wait to watch this masterpiece again at home.
@ronvitale
@ronvitale 20 күн бұрын
Now that the UHD is out I see that it’s 65.9 GB-seems that WB decided to put some special features and the movie all on one disc. I’m wondering what you think of the UHD disc’s quality. Reference?
@victorjohnson8374
@victorjohnson8374 Ай бұрын
I can’t wait to own this movie.
@naderzein2435
@naderzein2435 Ай бұрын
Two 10's!!!! Shane doesn't just give those away, must be a great disc!
@rsolsjo
@rsolsjo Ай бұрын
I do wonder if you want to consider adding Kaleidescape to the titles? It's not exactly the same thing as reviewing the UHD disc.
@Nytewolf718
@Nytewolf718 Ай бұрын
Is Dune 2 getting a 3D release?
@skr1b
@skr1b Ай бұрын
Why are they not doing imax scenes on the blu ray?? blasphemy !
@AeroDude73
@AeroDude73 Ай бұрын
No IMAX scenes??!! wtf 😳 🤨🤦‍♂️🤷‍♂️🙄
@tigerblue42
@tigerblue42 19 күн бұрын
If the kaleiderscape file sizes are anything to go by then the movie needs around 90GB for this level of quality but some people are saying it's less than 70GB on the 4K Blu-ray, that's a significantly smaller file and hugely disappointing ? Sounds like WB have put lots of extras on the 4K disk and reduced the file size to get away with making it a single disk release ? If it was a 4K disk just for the movie with included Blu-ray for movie/extras then I would snap it up but now I'm less inclined to pay full price 😞Will you be reviewing the 4K Blu-ray version Shane ? Would love to hear your thoughts on that.
@tigerblue42
@tigerblue42 17 күн бұрын
In another comment, someone posted that the total size of all the extras is only about 6GB so it's even more confusing why the movie on the 4K disk is less than 70GB if the kaleiderscape uses 90GB. Oh well, in any case everyone seems to be giving the video on the 4K disk extreme praise so maybe it's not an issue.
@UBAID001
@UBAID001 Ай бұрын
This is for the Kaleidescape version. But how does the digital pvod/streaming version compare? Particularly in regards to sound/bass response?
@lovish9999
@lovish9999 Ай бұрын
very bassy and muddy on digital atleast....doesnt felt like an atmos movie to me.
@jigga3349
@jigga3349 Ай бұрын
6 minute disc review? That's a good sign this is a killer disc
@Hossmcpizza
@Hossmcpizza Ай бұрын
Shame kaleidescape doesn’t do Dolby vision this disc will though!
@joedirt6222
@joedirt6222 Ай бұрын
Wow, good to hear it's a worthy tranfer.
@Ethantaj
@Ethantaj Ай бұрын
Movie reviews are back let’s gooooo
@marvinabugov4579
@marvinabugov4579 Ай бұрын
Nicely done! Who new? My Marantz cinema50 will be working overtime (a 7.3 workout) when I view it on a streaming platform when the rental price becomes - much more reasonable! (I am a patient person a quite prepared to wait.) 😄👏🥳👍
@TerminatorJuice
@TerminatorJuice Ай бұрын
Are you sitting in your new home theater? If so, I didn't think you were that far along with the build...
@kellenfleener
@kellenfleener Ай бұрын
Couldn’t agree more, 10/10 🎉 this is the best movie for home theater in the past 5 years 🚨🚨
@samuelrivera8046
@samuelrivera8046 Ай бұрын
10 & 10 ??!! “As written”
@HOTWADOFMEAT
@HOTWADOFMEAT Ай бұрын
10 and 10?!?! LISAN AL GALIB
@xavierweaver605
@xavierweaver605 Ай бұрын
And this is just the digital version. The 4K disc is gonna be another must-own.
@keepingupwiththejones2933
@keepingupwiththejones2933 Ай бұрын
Not a digital version. Kaleidescape isn't streaming/digital. The Kaleidescape might actually be better. The 4K disc will likely match Kaleidescape but the disc will not be better.
@Hossmcpizza
@Hossmcpizza Ай бұрын
@@keepingupwiththejones2933 actually the disc will probably be better since kaleidescape doesn’t do Dolby vision and full movie will be able to fit on the disc
@Hossmcpizza
@Hossmcpizza Ай бұрын
@@keepingupwiththejones2933 actually the disc will probably be better since kaleidescape doesn’t do Dolby vision and the disc will be able to fit the whole movie
@giggsy42
@giggsy42 Ай бұрын
What is kaliedascape
@therealshanelee
@therealshanelee Ай бұрын
kzfaq.infoxSp3_cFypqM?feature=share
@giggsy42
@giggsy42 Ай бұрын
@@therealshanelee thanks man
@tg614
@tg614 Ай бұрын
I agree!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@kilroy4103
@kilroy4103 Ай бұрын
Shane, can you please tell me what Max CLL and Max FALL is and what it means?
@gelmera
@gelmera Ай бұрын
Is this already out on UHD I thought release date was May
@tommyboy049
@tommyboy049 Ай бұрын
on digital today
@sohailanjum7
@sohailanjum7 Ай бұрын
I take it this is the digital 4K, could be wrong.
@88detour
@88detour Ай бұрын
The physical will be released in May.
@balacisco
@balacisco Ай бұрын
Does dennis doesn't know he can even release films in larger aspect ratio than 2.39:1 while releasing dune 1?? I was expecting dune 1 in 1.90:1 or 16:9 when they released, but just now only they understood it seems, dune 2 in 1.90:1 in both apple and prime
@HomeCinemaJunkie
@HomeCinemaJunkie Ай бұрын
Scope aspect ratio!!❤🎉🎉
@kman9387
@kman9387 Ай бұрын
Wow! Double 10s!
@FormulaProg
@FormulaProg 5 күн бұрын
No blu ray in the box is a very worrying sign
@masterazlan6999
@masterazlan6999 Ай бұрын
Yup sonically...n the storyboards.. Peace!
@MrX-zz2vk
@MrX-zz2vk Ай бұрын
"It does not get too much better than this." Gives it a 10. So what would fit in that "too much better" category, Shane? An 8K to 8K transfer from a Todd(?) AO scanner? Real life on a desert alien planet? Other?
@MrX-zz2vk
@MrX-zz2vk Ай бұрын
Well, I guess, to answer my own question, the experience of seeing it again on an IMAX screen in 70mm. Maybe some billionaires and A list film directors have their own personal IMAX home theaters, but the rest of us don't.
@johndoe6036
@johndoe6036 Ай бұрын
10 / 10 🎉 😀
@jennifergala
@jennifergala Ай бұрын
On Apple TV Dune 2 the picture is not 10. The color is very muted not vibrant at all. Is only vibrant on explosion. Also they shouldn't have transferred the digital to film and back to digital. Not satisfied with the picture at all. Dolby Atmos is magnificent. Best Atmos release ever. Demo. 20/10 for Atmos. Picture is a 6.
@techsamurai11
@techsamurai11 Ай бұрын
What a movie!
@tihomirmikle17
@tihomirmikle17 Ай бұрын
10/10
@Scifi4life
@Scifi4life 18 күн бұрын
Best film of the year
@mananagarwal7002
@mananagarwal7002 Ай бұрын
Once again they disappointed us without giving IMAX ratio
@SSJ4Vegiito
@SSJ4Vegiito Ай бұрын
The IMAX ratio is overrated
@mananagarwal7002
@mananagarwal7002 Ай бұрын
@@SSJ4Vegiito Nah it's not especially if you have a screen equivalent to a wall. I've a 150 inch curved screen and watching 21:9 and 16:9/1.9:1 makes a hell lot of difference
@rig-zag
@rig-zag Ай бұрын
This was probably the loudest movie I've ever experienced in the theater. So much rumbling my soda went flat. Still salty they didn't release a 3D version like they did for pt 1.
@Hyper-M
@Hyper-M Ай бұрын
LISAN AL GAIB
@rickguenther1013
@rickguenther1013 Ай бұрын
Its actually part 3 or the 3rd movie. I know the first 1 is in the early 80s but it still counts as 1 of all of them 😂 Lol
@Solidariity
@Solidariity Ай бұрын
Yurrrrrrrrrr
@craigosterberg5045
@craigosterberg5045 Ай бұрын
Haven’t seen it but sounds good.
@Scifi4life
@Scifi4life 18 күн бұрын
Best film of the year.
@normrubio
@normrubio Ай бұрын
10?!?! come on man....
@lordcrunk4790
@lordcrunk4790 Ай бұрын
Why was Irulan's name never spoken once in the film?
@liutungwei5160
@liutungwei5160 Ай бұрын
Does it sound better than Dune Part One?
@rosstee
@rosstee Ай бұрын
Both sound amazing but Part 2 has more action so that's the main reason people prefer it I think.
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