How does the 250 2stroke compare to the 250f? Does the 250 2stoke have any engine braking? None at all? Or Same as the 250f? Or very little? Please reply

@@jcg66 similar but way different. The engine braking in two strokes is very litle.

So the power on the enduro bike (TE250) is not like overkill compared to the 250 4 stroke? I don’t want a killer machine that want’s to throw me off all the time.

Yes around here a few years ago most people were in 300's, I think it's evening out a bit now.

Do you think this applies to the XCW aswell? I have a deposit on a 250, but I'm not sure

If your 300 feels like its yanking your arms off just hange the power valve spring, it takes 2 minutes. The green spring will make the power come on slower, yellow is what comes stock, and red "the demon spring" is the fastest. Just search "KTM power valve spring" you can also adjust them in and out from the outside of the bike, tighten for less power, loosen for more.

@@DM-qp7do yep I did that when i get my Te250. I had red at first i changed to yellow and now I'm back at red

The 17 and up bikes are game changers with the counterbalanced motors for sure. Nothing wrong with the carb models once you dial them in but they are a dying breed.

I had a 1998 300mxc with PDS

I'm coming from a 500exc bike and the 300 feels pretty tame. I tested the 300 and 250 back to back and found the 250 was more suitable if you ride on the pipe more, it certainly rev'd faster. I was used to lugging a four stroke and endless torque.and the 300 felt more familiar and similar to that experience. If I grew up riding two strokes I might have preferred the 250. I did buy the xc-w and in hindsight might have chosen the xc or a Husky version. KTM Xplor forks have been a bit of a let down with a lack of adjustability for certain terrain. Nothing that can't be solved with some tuning and re-valve work. So far no issue with the TPI set up.

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Thanks man!

Yes it's all about preference of how each performs. I will never get to a skill level where I can't do something on a 250 that I could on a 300.

@Martin H I had that kickstand bolt come off on the 2018 demo tpi KTM loaned me last year as well. Never lost one on my bikes yet though. I did however have a very important bolt come off this new bike which I'll cover this in a video soon.

@@PNWEnduro Seems like they aren't joking about checking bolts regularly in the manual! Also my spokes are still settling after 25 hours on the bike. I check them after every ride.

This is the death of me my 2019 xc keeps doing this I put the strongest lock tight I could and still screws its self out! My flew off about the second ride. Found all the parts I thought maybe I missing this washer you speak of!? Ha

Yes a 250 can do everything a 300 can for 99% of us. I'm fully on the 300 bandwagon now but I still love the playful feeling of the 250's a lot.

@Spencer Carlson, I don't like to post locations publicly but you can email me or send me a msg on FB or Instagram for info.

Yes, planning on riding that area sometime this season for sure.

Seriously? I'm the same size and have been debating 250 vs 300. What type of riding do you do?

Josh Owens if your not from the UK then look up cowm leisure and also tong (parkwood off-road Centre) that’s the kind of riding we do. Sometimes head out into the hills and valleys. We do it all bud. That bike is more then I will ever need.

300 better

@@apostate4apostate494 then why did you watch this video? 😂 obviously you have some doubts of the 300

At first only adjusted air pressure in forks and set the sag. First ride went two clicks softer on compression on the forks and that’s it. Now I have over 100 hours the forks are getting harsh and need some work but new it was great.

PeteoBurrito euro 4 and can ride higher,here where i ride the Altitude is 980m and where we go about 1870+meters

@CdnX690 Thanks for sharing. I use a GoPro Hero 7 Black settings are 1080P 60fps superview.

PNW Enduro not sure if you edit anything in post but I found it helps a lot if you drop the sharpening and make colors flat.

@Daniel Bennett Yeah, love the 300 but have been away from it for much of this year. I've been rockin a Te250i for most of the year and although it doesn't have the same torque I'm really enjoying the liveliness of the 250 motor, revs a bit more freely. The 300 feels the most like a 4T. What year is your 500? Maybe update the map or have the dealer adjust the TPS to add a little more voltage. My 500 (2015) has the end cap screen removed and I adjust the TPS with a wee bit more voltage and it made the bike run noticeably stronger. I had to adjust the idle as well to once I adjusted the TPS. The 300 will feel a lot lighter in the woods for sure.

Thanks dude!

A bit, but it's not significant imo.

Nice to have the option of either one in the garage!

Mark I bought a used 250 kit for my 18 300 last year off ebay. The guy upgraded to a 300 kit and sold off all his 250 stuff. I'm going to give it a try to see what I like more. For the $450 I paid I don't think I could go wrong.

Good question actually. From what I understand the FI bikes need to run at a higher temperature to achieve peak performance. So when the bike is cold at the start of the day you need to give it time to get up to operating temperature.

PNW Enduro Oh I understand how a carbureted bike Has to warm up, Also how an old Chevy 350 with a carburetor Hass to warm up. My new Chevy with fuel injection and a computer keeping track of air pressure air temperature and fuel flow runs perfect as soon as I turn the key. I’m being serious that I would think the new bikes being computer controlled, should run as soon as you push the button. Maybe if they get rid of the button and you had to spend more time kicking the heat you generate from your body could transfer To the bike and help warm it up, just an idea.he he he

@@mrlarrybobjr I think it's because they run leaner, that's why they run hotter, less fuel/oil makes it need to be warmed up more?

@@samuelyeet6006 who knows, I just think that being computer controlled with all the sensors it would run proper from the start.

@@mrlarrybobjr it's a performance bike, any fuel injected motorcycle I've had needs warmed up too, because they are built for performance, the thresholds for every little factor in that ECU is much thinner then none performance machines, they are built to run as good as possible at optimal temperature and conditions. atleast that's how I see it, I'm not an expert, but just noticing the same thing goes for any crotch rocket I've owned lol

Maybe, but once you’re above a walking pace, the W is sort of worthless. I never used 1st on my XCW or 300RR unless I was stuck on something. It’s even better to go up on the CS sprocket so you don’t blow through the power band so quickly.

I've only been on the 2020 150xc-w but I found the suspension was very good. I still prefer linkage and air forks but I think both models have great suspension now.

@@PNWEnduro What is it that you like better about the linkage and air fork?

I feel like the linkage shock soaks up bumps better, also the bike sits a bit lower than the pds bikes so that helps me. The air forks work well and are very easy to tune to the rider, mine are completely stock and I see no need for a re-valve on them.

@@PNWEnduro great info man!! do you think power is any different between the two? Im just wondering if I should go XC also...something about the xcw keep attracting me to it, but nervous I will hate how it handles after having a 18 300xc..Or will will I like it more!? Our trails are single track, fast flowing, whooped, roots, some rocks, lots of sand. Nothing crazy...its In michigan.

I thought the 2020 150xc-w handled great and from what I hear the 250/300 xc-w's are much better than the 18/19's. I have a buddy with a new 250xc-w but I have not had a chance to try his out yet. Hopefully I can compare them soon. Honestly the biggest reason I ride an xc over an xc-w is the transmission. I just never was comfortable with the gap between 2nd and 3rd on the xc-w's. This is a factor on our slow technical trails, more open stuff it would not matter much.

In North America we have the xc with linkage and the xcw (exc) with pds.

@@PNWEnduro oh thanks , so is omologate to ride in the road or no?!

Well, I'm well under the 200lb mark lol.

@@PNWEnduro Before or after gear? Lol

Not yet, but I'd love to try either! I will have a chance to try the 2020 Betas coming up as well.

@@PNWEnduro I've had a bunch of motocross bikes that I've messed with suspensions and regeared to ride in the mountains of Colorado...kx250, yz250, cr250 and a kx450f. I've been wanting to go to KTM, Beta or Sherco but forgot about GasGas. Well I went to a dealership to get my Ohv stickers and saw a leftover 2018 GasGas xc250. I picked it up for $6500 brand new and its original MSRP is $8899. Its electric start and kickstart, has KYB AOS, FMF exhaust and Vforce reeds, oversize tank and Excel rims, hydraulic clutch! This bike is so smooth through the mountains and has alot of power. This thing doesn't die and keeps lugging up hills and im blown away. It has all the goodies and it's light and quick. Need to do a review on these GasGas bikes please

I ride the 2021 gasgas ec 250, pretty novice rider but have a few videos on my channel.

The 250 tpi is easier to ride.

Thomas Krehbiel just comes down to if you like to rev your bike out more they make the same hp on the dyno just come on in different spots. 300 makes the power low to mid then signs off a little early leaving you feeling like your short shifting a little I know I have a 2019 xc300 still love it just don’t use 1st gear much, and the 250 makes its power mid to top! I would like to try a new 250 just don’t want to regret getting my 300 haha

Best to ride both as the numbers are deceiving.

Suspension is much better on the 2020's. The power is a bit smoother with the TPI.

@@PNWEnduro more or less bottom end?

I'd have to ride them back to back, too close to tell.

PNW Enduro cool thank you ! I’m in Montana and season is a couple weeks away I ride a 250 XC 2018 with the smart carb ! can’t bring myself to these TPIs just yet because my bike has been running so good!

Yeah if your 2018 is still in good shape no real need to upgrade.

Haven't been on a 250xcf for a long time, most four stroke guys around here have KTM/Husky 350's or Yamaha 250f's. I'd like to try a current model for sure though.

Nick Fiorante I had a 2018 Ktm 250 xcf and this year I got a 2020 Ktm 250 xc tpi. They are both amazing bikes but I do like the 250 xc tpi quite a bit more you can be more lazy on it which helps for racing harescrambles. But the 250 xcf was really good too. I actually liked it better when I would ride a motocross track. But if you ride woods majority of the time I would go with the 250 xc tpi

No. I don't think it's recommended but some people say it's okay. I know guys with 150+ hours on the original piston on tpi's with no issues. I can see where some of those upgrades may help but are they really necessary? You will notice every time a new model bike comes out the same companies come out with all sorts of "must have" upgrades for them.

@@PNWEnduro ya I probably shouldn't let it bother me lol and just ride it

Proshot chin mount.

Yellow, TPI bikes only come with the yellow and they say not to adjust them.

I have a 19 xc300 power is way more linear with the yellow spring the red just spins tire and I feel less planted not really what you want on a two stroke.. haha

I don’t post locations publicly for several reasons I’ve explained this many times and I’m not going to change the way I feel about it. Watch this video for a full explanation. Where Are You Riding? - Episode 50 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jr2mnrpnq9-5k5s.html

@Reno 1960 do you think this still applies to FI bikes?

PNW Enduro No experience with FI 2 strokes so all bets off there. Could be a whole new paradigm. Overall I would prefer a 250 over a 300 for all the reasons you have stated if I could get the grunt needed at elevation.

@@PNWEnduro What elevation do you normally ride at? Our mountain trails start at 6,000' (1,800 meters) and go up from there.

Fall/winter 1000-3000' spring/summer 3000-7000'.

EnduroOzVic X you’re kidding right?