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@mattvsjapan Жыл бұрын

ツッコミすぎやろ！

@Kaarssteun Жыл бұрын

man decided to rise from the void on a 2 minute dogen video

@dj0- Жыл бұрын

@@Kaarssteun he's been in ice poseidon's streams too

@cr8284 Жыл бұрын

funny and nice video as always

@UzumakiHarutoJP Жыл бұрын

congratulations on getting to japan

@TQz_ Жыл бұрын

More like Matt vs Dogen

@pricerowland Жыл бұрын

It's great that Dogen is raising his daughters bilingual so they can one day get in heated arguments with their peers in English, thus completing the cycle and bringing balance to the universe.

@druegnor1703 Жыл бұрын

Bilingual? You mean Kanto-ben and Kansai-ben?

@spiritsplice Жыл бұрын

Too bad they will be rejected by a society who doesn't see them as Japanese.

@Trails3rdFanboy Жыл бұрын

@@spiritsplice too bad that your family had to leave you for milk my man

@spiritsplice Жыл бұрын

@@Trails3rdFanboy derp derp kid

@Adhjie Жыл бұрын

@@spiritsplice not mentioning rebahan fad and japan declining population, you like yoko taro robot?

@emimchung8595 Ай бұрын

お二人、日本語で漫才されていますね！お二人共レベル高すぎです🌟

@caioellery9117 Жыл бұрын

can't believe i actually thought there'd be japanese tips here. expecting that and suddenly realizing them fighting over the language was truly something

@henryxyz1 Жыл бұрын

Tips: how to make your American friend angry in Japanese

@tacomania7954 Жыл бұрын

You thought there would be actual tips. Until you realized the channel name is Dogen

@Trainfan1055Janathan Жыл бұрын

I've found out that looking up the meaning of Japanese words in a Japanese language dictionary is a great way to learn new words, especially words about how to explain what something is. You may also learn definitions that aren't regularly used by translating apps. Here's an example. In a song I was listening to, the singer said 外野 (gaiya), which a lot of websites simply translate as "outfield," but that didn't seem to match the context. Low and behold, when I look it up in a Japanese language dictionary, the third definition is "a third wheel," and I'm like, "oh, that makes _perfect_ sense in context.

@DoctorLazertron Жыл бұрын

In context (俺は外野の気分) DeepL translator puts it as outsider while ofc Google still says outfield, so if the dictionary can’t help in certain situations then DeepL is pretty good. For “third wheel” it put 三枚目 so it’s not direct but I’m not sure how accurate. But the danger of that is, if I say “I feel like a third wheel” it might think I’m saying that I’m in the mood for another serving of wheel.

@DANGJOS Жыл бұрын

I've been noticing that too. I'm starting to look things up in Japanese now

@silvermaus Жыл бұрын

What kind of dictionary do you use? A physical one?

@DoctorLazertron Жыл бұрын

So I searched 三枚目　and it looks like it refers to a comedic actor, or a funny person generally outside of film. So I’m guessing it took “third wheel” to refer to the “comic relief” which makes sense in a kind of cosmic sense but .. not what I was looking for. The literal meaning is “a third sheet (of whatever flat object you’re counting) so I wonder if there is a third-wheel aspect to a comic relief character between either 2 main actors or between the boke and tsukkomi (This comment is an addendum to my previous one not a reply to the OP. Sorry for spam.)

@UzumakiHarutoJP Жыл бұрын

3 must know japanese tips in the comments

@lailedcat Жыл бұрын

（爆笑）アイルランド人だけど日本語の学習はほとんど関西でやりました。イントネーションが変だったりすれば関西弁の影響のせいにしさえすれば許されます　😅

@anthonynelson6671 Жыл бұрын

I thoroughly enjoy how the humor in these skits is still accessible to those who don't know much. And then the more you do know the more nerdy the humor becomes.

@verylowpoly Жыл бұрын

I always love how increasingly off-the-rails their videos become over these topics 😂 it really highlights the way some people would actually treat it when learning about that

@muffs2007 Жыл бұрын

方言や微妙なアクセントを駆使して会話しているのが高度すぎてw これ日本語学習者の人で理解できてたらすごい事ですよ！

@justarandompally Жыл бұрын

流石に理解出来る人は結構いると思いますが

@pseudotatsuya Жыл бұрын

ここまで日本語出来るようになるの凄すぎるよね。自分は一生このレベルで外国語で話せるようになれないと思う。

@-Raylight Жыл бұрын

I will never tired of Dogen doing banters with Matt others, they're all such good friends xD

@user-je4xg2ok9h Жыл бұрын

I will never get tired of Dogen bantering with Matt*

@user-je4xg2ok9h Жыл бұрын

英語ネイティヴの振りしてる日本人かどっかの国のバカweebかな？

@thelastmotel Жыл бұрын

@@user-je4xg2ok9h Exactly this

@ChronicalV Жыл бұрын

Aaand youre here too. Figures haha

@sumiresaku33039 Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂漫才になってる　ドウゲンさんに突っ込み入れる人もなかなか居ないよね。面白い。マットさんついに関西弁も習得したんだね。凄い。

@darkith52 Жыл бұрын

tip #1 don't scam all of your subscribers

@noppi3451 Ай бұрын

すごい😂！！2人とも日本語うますぎです。

@moomoo_01 Жыл бұрын

いまマットさん大阪に住んでるんですね👏 方言ネタや地域による”イントネーション”の違いネタも出てきて、めちゃ面白かったです😂もっと見たい！

@TheDamianvain17 Жыл бұрын

Agreed!

@XLZBrainfreezeFTW Жыл бұрын

I got scammed by Matt vs Japan before, watch out

@user-hd5vq1my1f Жыл бұрын

次回のM-1に出るための練習ですね。分かります。

@TheMornox Жыл бұрын

Did Matt ever publicly address the uproot scam? With all the controversy that he was the center of a year ago and the toxic comments he made on video, I have reservations about anyone giving him a platform. Did he show any accountability? From what I have seen, he scammed his followers, took their money, evaded the public uproar and tried to silence public dialogue about it.

@Jordan-inJapan Жыл бұрын

Loved that. And when Dogen said he couldn’t just use Japanese all the time since he’s trying to create a bilingual environment at home for his kid I was like, “dude, that’s the excuse I always use!” (Of course in my case, my Japanese is actually bad enough to warrant the excuse. At least according to my kids.😅)

@holliswilliams8426 Жыл бұрын

that can often be an excuse as to why people don't learn the language, like my friend's mum still doesn't speak that much English as insisted only on using Punjabi at home, then you meet other people that speak English perfectly but their children speak very little Punjabi

@user-mz7bh1eh9v Жыл бұрын

@@holliswilliams8426 In Punjabi we have a saying addressing just that "ਹਰ ਬੋਲੀ ਸਿੱਖੋ, ਸਿੱਖਨੀ ਵੀ ਚਾਹੀਦੀ। ਪਰ ਪੱਕੀ ਵੇਖ ਕੇ ਕੱਚੀ ਨਹੀਂ ਢਾਈ ਦੀ।" Which roughly means "Learn every language, learning is great. But don't throw away the raw one (as in something that was with you from a raw, early stage -> mother tongue) for a ripe one (something you just picked up that hasn't been with you since the beginning -> languages that we immigrant children often start learning properly from school age).

@randxalthor Жыл бұрын

I'm dying over here. Gotta be one of your best manzai skits yet.

@hitbos6904 Жыл бұрын

「じゃん」はよく関東エリアで使われていますが神奈川県の方言です。厳密に国営放送NHKのアナウンサーが話している言葉、話し方が標準語といわれています。標準語の元は明治新政府を作った薩摩藩（鹿児島県）、長州藩（山口県）の言葉と新政府が作られた江戸（東京）の言葉を混ぜて標準語ができたと聞いてます。

@gsgs7865 Күн бұрын

「じゃん」は元々、三河地方、静岡県、山梨県の方言です。神奈川発祥ではないですよ。

@aymankhalissi7006 Жыл бұрын

It's always nice to see the both of you together.

@gradate01 Жыл бұрын

「はい、みなさんこんにちは。」からDogenの“しらこい”演技がでちゃってる感じ好きw Oh, sorry for Osaka-ben.

@martinweldner6547 Жыл бұрын

You guys are doing great! So funny, more please!

@pahoopahoo Жыл бұрын

動画の作品についての感想。マット語：この漫才の台本はどちらが作ったかはわかりません。基本的にこのチャンネルでは道元さんが全部、もしくは主導で作っているかと思います。ただ今回は随一の日本語の使い手マットさんとのペアなので、想像ですがマットさんも多少なりとも台本の流れ、もしくは台詞、言葉の選定において作品作りに加わったのではないかと思われます。そこでですが、マットさんの「ついに英語のお出ましか」の部分ですが、ここの特に「お出まし」の部分、これがすごくマットさんっぽい言葉だなと思いました。道元さんがこの台詞を考えた可能性もまた十分にありますが、この「お出まし」は物凄くマットさんの匂いがします。ここはマットさんの意見が採用されたのではないかと邪推しております。(見当違いの可能性もあります) 私は以前も「マットさんの話す日本語は活字を読む人の日本語だ」と書いたことがあります。マットさんの日本語はなにかとある情景や事象を形容するにあたってドロッとした活字性を持たせるという特徴があります。これは昨今よく見かける日本語ペラペラを誇る外国人とは一線を画すものです。相当な日本語の活字を読んでないとなかなかこうはならないと思います。マットさん的にはただ言うより何か色を付けたいと言うところで、そこまで苦労なく瞬時に数パターンの単語や言い回しが浮かぶからそうしているというだけなのでしょうけど。おまえ：道元さんのこの手のコラボ動画を見ていて「おまえ」という言葉を(その回で初めて)使うタイミングが上手いとよく思うのですが、今回は特に秀逸でした。見事な「おまえ」のタイミングです。よく、日本語の人称は多数あって場面によって使い分けているとなどと言われてまたそういう理解がされているように見えるのですが、それは半分当たりで半分外れというか、確かに場面で『ここは「おれ」でいこう/「おれ」が相応しい』もしくは『ここは「◯◯さん」で通そう/「◯◯さん」が相応しい』と、場面を鑑みて人称を定めるというところもあるのですが、日本語母語話者が人称を使う時の感覚としてはそういった決め事というよりもっとその瞬間瞬間に湧き上がった感情によって自ずと出てくる感情語のような側面がかなりあります。例えば1人の男性が動画でモノローグをしているだけでもその時その時で自然と、ほぼ無意識で「僕」と言ったり「俺」と言ったりすることがよくあります。とにかく、私がこの動画で一番感心したのはここの「おまえ」のタイミングかもしれません。これは蛇足ですが、私の素人目線で失礼ながらお二方との普通に漫才が様(サマ)になっていたので、仮にですがタイムボムのニックさんと漫才のコラボなどをしたらどんな感じになるのだろうと考えてしまいました。ニックさんは漫才のプロです。日本語の総合力で言うと道元さん、マットさんのほうがニックさんより多少上かもしれませんが、漫才の能力で言うと当然ですがニックさんのほうが圧倒的に上だと思われるので、これが掛け合わせるとどんな作品になるのかなと想像しました。１つ、今回の漫才は十分に本格的でしたが、youtubeの機能で再生速度1.25倍で再生したらより本物の漫才を聴いている気分になりました。なので、漫才においてはですが日本人相手に本当に肩の力を抜いてもドッと笑わせるというのはここのテンポの部分ではないかと思いました。芸人さんや関西の方が間とかテンポにはものすごく厳しいのもこういうことかもしれません。

@sdgrebjt8598 5 ай бұрын

長すぎだろ

@Kevs602 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for your video🎉

@davem7359 Жыл бұрын

“KI-nou” is a thing in 土佐弁 too. I was wondering why everyone was so obsessed with functionality at first…

@jakerio8 Жыл бұрын

Omg was laughing so much. Dogen at his usual and Matt was a natural!

@thedayspider Жыл бұрын

Dogen always pulls off the role of a nit-picking Japanese grammar nazi so well, that it usually takes me a bit of self-convincing to remember that he's not ACTUALLY that toxic and is just in character.

@Ann-mj4xn Жыл бұрын

He is tho

@addisonparent4289 Жыл бұрын

egos at stalemate. loved it XD. you guys are the best together, thanks for bringing the lightheartedness we need sometimes in the language community.

@Blufall Жыл бұрын

really funny, nice one

@imperialmarchinhumanbowels5726 Жыл бұрын

>Americans localizing じゃん/やん as “bro” rather than as “innit”. “innit” is the correct translation of “じゃん” in almost every context and you know it.

@rurounigaijinn Жыл бұрын

Dogen finally meeting his match. Now have Yabatan and Matt at the same time to finally tip him over the edge.

@enque01 Жыл бұрын

I can totally picture this! 😂

@thorbergson Жыл бұрын

No no we can't lose him, I still need his videos

@funkychickens6166 Жыл бұрын

Ah isn’t this the Matt vs Japan ken Cannon scammer who also screwed his business partner

@user-lk1sn9nn4y Жыл бұрын

ギスギス感のリアルな演出普通にすごい

@Zift_Ylrhavic_Resfear Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the video :)

@user-lu7ff3rn3p Жыл бұрын

面白いやり取り。てか、日本語のアクセント上手い人って最初の一言でわかるの不思議だよね。マットさんも例外なく最初の一言で完璧だってわかった。

@TheDamianvain17 Жыл бұрын

This was an unexpected gift from both of you. I'm American, studying Japanese, and typically stay in Ōsaka when I travel to Japan, so this has raised many questions. Thanks for that and the laughs.

@davespriter 5 ай бұрын

this was so hilarious, thank you

@nesiddo Жыл бұрын

関西弁とかいうイントネーション破壊言語

@lolmenassas Жыл бұрын

I love that dude, especially when we talk about 日本語が上手だよね

@thesyntaxtree2528 Жыл бұрын

2:15 “JapanESe, not JapANese.” I love it, it’s like the clash of the titans.

@tsugaru_solos Жыл бұрын

I loved this too! 😂 bruh 💀

@yuisaito2751 Жыл бұрын

めちゃくちゃおもしろかったです、びっくりしたー！次回のも楽しみにしています。

@Qoo62 Жыл бұрын

そう、日本語で「アクセント」と言うと、ある箇所の強弱みたいな意味になる場合が多いと思います。

@user-ff7sz4ql5p Жыл бұрын

大抵の日本人が言葉のアクセントと言われて連想するのが英語のアクセント(＝強勢アクセント)だからねあるいは音楽のアクセント(強勢記号)かどのみち「強」いか弱いかという連想から抜け出せない

@TheOneAndOnlyNeuromod 5 ай бұрын

I love these!

@Tensaihenokiseki Жыл бұрын

マットさんはボケで、どうげんさんはツッコミ！本当に最高な漫才できるじゃん！

@user-xr9ov1mb3v 9 күн бұрын

できるやん！！

@karakuchi Жыл бұрын

自分の面倒な性格をそのまま笑いに変える天才

@oversavior6892 Жыл бұрын

So how's project Uproot doing?

@isaac10231 Жыл бұрын

Matt transformed from a weeb to a Japanese lumberjack. So proud of you Matt.

@Mikaela_Westmt Жыл бұрын

イヤイヤおもろすぎwww もっと見たいよね Wanna see more

@s47121o Жыл бұрын

The legend

@YumeiieArtt Жыл бұрын

“DUDE SHUT UP” LMFAOOO

@SkyTahir Жыл бұрын

"Oh hey, this'll be helpful!" *why did I expect anything different*

@JiroAzuma Жыл бұрын

I love this

@user-ev6zv1zc9w Жыл бұрын

めっちゃおもろい

@emirumishiokana 10 ай бұрын

この二人、めっちゃ好きやねん

@TeBiDoWil 10 ай бұрын

I have an interesting story… My wife was looking for a bed for my oldest son on Craigslist and she showed one to me to see if I liked it. “Looks good. Nice and minimalist”, I told her. She scheduled a time for us to pick it up. We approach the house and I park by backing up to the front to make it easier to load the new bed. I get out of the van and head back toward the house where the owner is waiting outside. I see him and I freeze…my mind was racing *he looks familiar…where do I know him from…stop staring…this is getting awkward*. My wife chimes in to break the silence, “Do…you know each other?”. “I know him” I replied, implying that he may not know who I am. It was Matt (Matt vs Japan). It was so out of context and unexpected that I couldn’t place where I recognized him from even though I was regularly watching his videos. He was moving to Japan the following week I believe. The odds of that happening are interesting to think about.

@Zenkyuu8921 Жыл бұрын

They finally meet in person 🙏👀

@ZGuitarChannel Жыл бұрын

めっちゃおもろいわ

@user-xt2cv3ui9f Жыл бұрын

めっちゃ面白いです😊

@rosiesaunders7904 Жыл бұрын

"Bilingually", I love the properly formulated adverb in the midst of a pitch/slang war 💚

@nosuikesai1758 Жыл бұрын

英語の勉強をしていたらいつの間にかDogenのチャンネルに迷いついてしまったｗ　面白過ぎるw

@user-xw5wq6tl3h Жыл бұрын

日本語をめちゃくちゃ駆使してますね！凄いです😆😆👏👏👏

@phen-themoogle7651 Жыл бұрын

前代未聞の組み合わせ、最強やん！☆ This is the best collaboration , loved the skit! What were the 3 tips again? lmao

@pahoopahoo Жыл бұрын

これまでのコラボでは漫才風の回が何回か見られましたが、今回のはマイクを真ん中に挟んで2人が並んで立ちボケツッコミを繰り広げるという本式の漫才でしたね。マット先生を相手にこれ以上の機はないと見て意図的にそう作ったと思われます。なぜ英語でアクセントと呼ばれるものが日本語でイントネーションと呼ばれるのかということに対しての私の仮説が以下です。一つはやはり日本語母語話者にとって英単語は雰囲気で採用したり使うので、原語のアクセントという単語の感覚を捉えておらずなあなあになっている。しかしもう一つの私が考える要因があります。私の理解ではイントネーションというのはその話し手の感情や文意に沿って文章に抑揚が付くことで、これは合ってるかと思います。一番わかりやすい例は疑問文の最後が上がる感じですね。これは日本語でも英語でもそうですね(howとかwhatが文頭の時は別だけど)。とにかく疑問を投げかけて相手に問う時の感情で話しかけると、なんかわからないけど文末の音が上がります。逆に上がらないと疑問文っぽくないです。つまりこの上がる部分に意味性がある気がします。そして日本語の各単語にある高低アクセントなるものですが、これもただの高低の配置というよりも日本語母語話者はこの高低の配置にそれぞれ意味性を置いたり感じていると思います。(日本語非母語話者はここの意味性を感じ取れないのでこれに取り組む際丸暗記の作業になってしまう)。この意味性や感情性の部分が頭にあるのでこれをイントネーションと呼ぶに至ったというのが私の仮説です。

@pahoopahoo Жыл бұрын

駄文追記ですが、英語などは話す際toneが重要でさらに多様だと言われます。１つの単語や文章でもtoneの付け方で意味合いが変化し、toneの要素でコミュニケーションをしていたりします。日本語だと助詞等に相当するような役割を英語のtoneが果たしているように見えます。日本語の高低アクセントもそこまで明示的な意味性というわけではないですが、その高低の配置に何かしらの趣が感じられ、多少なりともtone的なものがあるのではないかと思います。 pitch accent と名付けた人は英語話者かと思われ、まずそう定義したからにはaccent family としてaccent の観点からこれを考えるという流れになってしまっていると思うのですが、accent という観点ではなく(その観点はあってもいいが)tone family としてのJapanese pitch toneみたいなものなのかもしれません。

@shigekiyamasaki269 Жыл бұрын

いや～、本当に面白いわ。高度な日本語イントネーション？を使った漫談に惚れ惚れしました。有難うございます

@Kyaro8888Cari 9 ай бұрын

lol... I don't know what this was, but that was hilarious to watch! :D

@mouhou9795 Жыл бұрын

matt vs japan. My favorite con artist.

@lettheworldbeatpeace Жыл бұрын

確かにイントネーションって言うかも笑笑今回漫才みたいだなwww

@user-yd4ty5vn7m Жыл бұрын

英語チャンネルかと思ったら、日本語チャンネルだった🤣

@angelalikesthings Жыл бұрын

As soon as I saw the look Dogen gave to Matt, I knew this was going to become an accent battle. Btw Matt using Kansai-Ben is love.

@currently9143 Жыл бұрын

I love matt

@ochacha_okome Ай бұрын

やばいおもろすぎるｗｗｗ

@treemerryweather Жыл бұрын

you are the GOAT

@bobfranklin2572 Жыл бұрын

Dogen back at it again

@user-ro6kx7so1g Жыл бұрын

日本語がうますぎる！😁

@Josh-sn3py Жыл бұрын

日本人だけどクッソワロタｗｗｗ展開が完璧で惚れ惚れするような面白い動画でした👍

@kamfuku 5 ай бұрын

初めにちょっと怖ったけどそれから「冗談だけだよ」って気付いました😂❤

@forrealamusiclover 11 ай бұрын

I love that「にほ↑んごじゃなくてにほ→んごね」always makes its entrance whenever you'rr talking about intonation 😂

@jarerum3840 Жыл бұрын

That's one of the reason why my Japanese teacher said it's worth my time more to increase the amount of vocabulary rather than to learn pitch accent cause there's so many regional differences and you can say so much more with 'imperfect' pitch (which might even be correct depending on the region), but large vocabulary, but no use having a perfect pitch, but knowing only 20 words 🤔

@kaltaron1284 Жыл бұрын

A cheap trick to increase vocabulary is to learn Katakanago. If you know how Japanese translate foreign words then there's a far higher chance they will understand you.

@Colopty Жыл бұрын

@@kaltaron1284 It's a wonderful hack that must be used carefully, because at some point if you just keep using katakanago every time you don't know a word you will use it for words that aren't actual loan words in Japanese, at which point you're no longer the hip guy using modern Japanese, you're just some ass speaking English in a bad Japanese accent.

@tobindrake2767 Жыл бұрын

The secret is knowing 21 words. That's near fluent.

@kaltaron1284 Жыл бұрын

@@Colopty Although true, this isn't about being hip or modern but being easier to understand for a Japanese speaker. Overreliance will be bad but not being able to communicate is worse.

@contagiousintelligence5007 Жыл бұрын

@@tobindrake2767 Which words?