Amen

Omg😭I thought I was crazy for needing therapy bc of the local churches

@@pink_flamingoo7634 it messed me up pretty badly. I've realized I really need to relearn how to read some passages of the bible.

Hmm obviously you weren't that open by the sounds of it

What church did you belong to? you can marry outside the church??you don't have to go to the full time training??I have lots if natural friends..morning revival it's good to touch the word in the morning..and people choose to give up careers for the church life..what's wrong with that? You sound very miserable..hopefully you will find what ever your looking for..we have a merciful God...

This is not a Local church.

I so relate to this!! thank you for sharing! glad to know that other ex-members have heard the true gospel and still love the Lord. 4 out of 5 of my peers that I was baptized with have left the local church. Although we are in a non-denominational church now my mom still holds some of the teachings like the overcomers, calling on the Lord, not following pastors etc; even after we were shunned lol. And how hypocritical to say that they don't have pastors or presbyteries when there is a clear hierarchy. A lot of the feared-based doctrines always seemed like salvation through works which is a false doctrine. I remember a leader of the church that was leading the Friday meeting for families/children told us to not study the bible "We don't study the bible like denominations". "we are not religious" but have set practices and religious teachings. So many contradictions.

The Lords Recovery is the One Unique Church in the whole Universe, its the UNITY of all the people and nations in all languages spoken wd translation is the Annointing of the Holy Spirit wdin the human spirit of man, the conscience. Thats y u can feel the Holy Spirit presence when the brothers n sisters pray together in one accord. Those who turn back frm the Lords Recovery are NOT THE CHOSEN PEOPLE OF GOD, BUT FALSE PEOPLE and Gentile unbeliever. There are only two kinds of people the BELIEVER AND UNBELIEVER. Four (4) kinds of Life, plant life, animal life, human life, the last is God’s LIFE WC IS ETERNAL N EVRLASTING, the ZOE LIFE. If a person is not regenerated frm the Life of Spirit of God in Jesus, he will remain in his human life only but to death, soul will go to hell. Bcos those who had been born again and regenerated has the life of God,” John 3:3-5 Truly Truly i say to you unless a man be born anew or be born again of the Spirit of God he cannot see and cannot enter the Kingdom of God. And unless he was baptized in water wc signify his old nature to be buried in water by immersion he cannot experience the washing of the water and cleansing of it by the Blood of Jesus Christ who died for our sins. Amen.. contact me if u need to know something. And pastor means to function and not a title, but not to be the head in the Church, there is only ONE HEAD JESUSCHRIST. All the saints who believe can prophesy one by one for the building up of the Body of Christ. Many members but ONE BODY, The Church, Christ is the HEAD. Thats the Local Church, One Church in ONE CITY, like the 7 Churches in the Book of Revelation. Any further question im in the Church in Torrance, Lomita, Narbonne Ave.

I relate a lot. My parents are into this 30 years since, more or less, so I grew up in that place. I sensed something funny around there, so I never was into that. Now, by personal research, I decided to become catholic and soon will be baptized. God bless you.

@@urselmein wasn’t your baptism trinitarian? Catholic Church recognizes baptisms from other faiths as long as it was trinitarian (In the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit). I would like to ask you what led you to Catholicism? I know the Local Church is sooooo antiCatholic so got me curious. Thank you 😊

no sigo a witnees lee pero te digo q muchisimos pastores dan asco y eso nadie me lo puede negar se creen las eminencias de las congregaciones pero lo siento todos somos iguales

Christmas and Easter have nothing to do with Jesus but have everything to do with pagan deities, so, yes, you are worshiping what's of the Satan.

All I ask of you. Please read your Bible brother. Keep seeking Jesus. Because He is coming brother. Stop trying to please your will. God is Love. The more Love we get. The more His body will be One. We serve the same God. JESUS CHRIST OUR SAVIOR, PASTOR AND KING. He will bring Us to this Reality one day. There's only One Church in the Universe.

They say "OH, we believe all Christians are one body". Then you ask, "Why do not call Lutherans, Catholics, Mennonites or Baptists saints". They tell you "oh, they're in religion". It's one big mind game. It took me like half a year to get a straight answer on the name of the church. My wife joined and I barely knew what they believed. They were NOT at all forthcoming with any of their beliefs. I had to play detective.

@user-op7uc6jb9k "in religion" a.k.a. "fallen Christianity". I'd heard one of them who was raised as a "church kid" genuinely believe that she has "no religion". Does she know that Christianity IS a religion? One of the most annoying/frustrating things about then is their entirely unique catchphrases and lingo as I'd listed in my original comment.

That fact you believe that anyone is going to heaven exposes your total lack of biblical knowledge or understanding

Amen

May I ask: r u the king/absolute head/God's deputy authority at home?

@SavageFrnd_LoveCruel When I exercise my spirit Christ is the head, The King. But when I'm in the flesh I'm the head. This has been my experience and I'm in need of much grace. My hope is to eventually gain Christ that He may have the preeminence in all aspects and decisions for both myself and my household. That He will remain King and have absolute authority!

@@dontqwit I used to attend LSM services. I read your entire comment, my friend. Literally everything you said is typical of someone wholly immersed within their sub-culture. It's probably quite useless picking apart your comment, so I'll just say I am much happier having left LSM, now loving Christ in "degraded Christianity" and I never regret having left the Recovery.

@jeremygarvey2189 thank you for your sincere comment brother. Grace be with your spirit.

Mi padre fue "hermano responsable" de esa secta y por 10 años yo nada quise saber de Dios a causa de la vida que llevábamos, mi hermano terminó volviéndose ateo.

The cultish practices may not have affected your life in ways that you’re able to see right now, and perhaps you escaped suffering. Still, when hundreds and thousands of people talk about the harmful practices and how they have been hurt by them it’s good to look into what those practices are. We know how to identify problematic groups. Look up the BITE model, Steve Hassan. The practices fall under “destructive undue influence.” It’s a big deal bc these practices have proven to be harmful in all high-control groups. I’m glad you haven’t had negative experiences…but the pee is in the pool even if you can’t see it. People have gotten sick and if anyone feels sad, it’s not just you. We are saying this bc life is on the other side of that control. I’ve talked to so many people like you, and many eventually saw. What are you afraid of? Being poisoned? Who told you to be afraid? Why would they use fear to control you? Shouldn’t truth be able to stand up to scrutiny? Yes or no? Also, if you have kids you’re raising in this group- chances are high they will confront you about this one day. We know what makes a group a cult or high control group- it’s not beliefs. It’s the practices. Don’t want to be in a group that’s labeled high-control/cult? Then demand the unhealthy practices stop. Except you can’t, can you? You can make zero changes bc it’s a high control group. There is a systemic and strategic plan they’re living. They won’t change- even when cult experts list out cult criteria. What does that tell you?

I’m thinking about honestly, maybe making a ministry to go into the Recovery and trying to show people where it goes wrong. The Recovery is nothing but a bunch of man’s teaching, and while it shares some aspects with Christianity, it lacks the power of God.

Also my Dad is still in it, and the way he’s trying to get us back into the Recovery proves it’s a cult. He’s so abusive mentally and emotionally, I never knew I’d face so much persecution for my faith from someone close to me. Jesus said to love first, to show and be a light to others, but instead all I’ve seen is wrath and anger. I don’t care who you are, there is no excuse for that if your supposed to be a Christian.

It also shows how the Recovery is governed by a darker power 100%. How else could do many people be deceived by all their lies?! Also based on experience with my Dad he never has joy or peace or true happiness. The fruits of the Spirit will show up in your life if your actually having a good relationship with God. Also I just graduated from highschool. If Im barely an adult and I can see how the Recovery does not line up with the Bible, shouldn’t that prove that the Recovery is not right?

Exacto, por eso será que mis padres quienes antes eran cristianos pentecostales dejaron de lado la comunión con Dios y solo se limitaban a leer los libros que tienen la living stream y el árvoŕe da vida. La concupiscencia ingresó a mi casa, mi padre que era un "hermano responsable" fue muy violento con nosotros sus hijos, mi madre igual. Mi mamá fue más allá y estuvo con varios hombres en adulterio. La única que se quedó en esa secta es mi mamá, mi papá salió antes de partir con el Señor, mi hermano por el momento se volvió ateo, yo me acerqué a Dios escuchando videos en youtube acerca de pastores cristianos que están en otro nivel. He avanzado bastabte desde que salí de ese lugar, mi relación con Dios es más cercana, lo he experimentado como mi Médico, Proveedor, mi Alegría. Ahora Cristo es todo para mí.

poisoning. don't listen her

I was in Austin for several years. I’m no longer there. Please email me ritzsticks@yahoo.com

My son was saved in this church.At 1st I was worried thinking that I had lost himbutctoday I am so grateful to this church for who they are.There is no forcing anyone to do anything that they don't like to do whether to work in the church or to get a job.We believe in not correcting anyone but to be led by the Spirit to come to a decision.I have never seen any corruption or adultery as I see in a lot of churches.There are no rules to say do this or that.Since when is it wrong to love and to eat together.Callingceach other saints is very biblical.What I think happens is that people see Asian people so they assume that it's an Asian church but no it's the church of God.I found these people to be loving.The matter is one can go to a church where they feel peace and somewhere where people are not wanting to enrich themselves .There is no hierarchy here.We don't uplift anyone and we certainly dot uplift witness Lee or watchman Nee and we consider them as brothers in the church.I see absolutely nothing that they do wrong.Criticising other churches is no encouraged in this church although some people may do this.

You need help to do what exacly?.You just want him to attend your church is that it?You want to control a relationship between him and God!Is he an adult or not.My son did not marry someone from the church and I haven't heard about this rule!It's common sense that shared values are good for marriage so if a person would marry inside the church that's okay.Inorder to understand this church you really need to know what it's about based on your experience over a period of time.These people are just really normal and they eat the word a lot more than other churches that I have been to. but is that a crime!Are we not supposed to come to the full knowledge of God and don't we all need to arrive here!The recovery is a continuation of the work of recovery of the truth that has been lost over the ages.It isn't to give you a different gospel.I encourage young people to choose wisely and I sincerely believe in the honesty and humble way that the brothers hold themselves.May the Lord 's shining continue to shine brightly in this church unto the lord's coming back!There are many many churches who are absolutely fallen I know and also many unsaved people.My desire is that all of us who are saved and have a heart for the Lord would go out to these dear ones to preach the gospel in the way we live and also speak thextruth to a hungry world than criticising each other.Prayers your way my dear parents who are concerned.Worry more about your child going to do drugs and alcohol than one who loves the Lord and chooses where to fellowship.

@@Love_Cruelty no they married her to somebody whose parents are elders at one of the local churches. She probably knew him for 6 months before getting married.

@@Love_Cruelty just like you said I showed the video to my mom because I follow a lot of ex-members on the internet and follow their stories. I really wish I could find out more about how the money operates. I know living stream ministry makes money off the books I'm sure and I'm sure the training in Anaheim cost money. I'm sure the buildings in Anaheim are paid off so they only have to pay taxes on the real estate which I'm sure as a religious group is small if anything. I'm sure all the trainees pay to go to the training in Anaheim california.

Then you may enjoy the world.

Yes this happened to me. I was in the church in Cambridge, England

What's LSM lifestyle?

@@davidschmidt270it’s how OP described it. Strict, controlling, cult like, shaming, guilt driven, heavily regulated.

@@davidschmidt270LSM = Living Stream Ministry

@@Love_Cruelty stop shouting straw man. Are you serving Jesus Christ as Lord and savior or not?

@@Love_Cruelty so the post is about someone leaving a ministry with cult like tendencies. Are you even in the Christian ballpark or in a different field altogether? Judging by the way you answered my question.......

@@Love_Cruelty your kind of proving my point....

Those who commited suicide are not for the Lord, they are captured, their soul by Satan and deceived by Satan, Satan came to steal, kill and destroy lives of the people. So dont blame any Christian group or believers in Christ, like Eve and Adam had been deceived all Mankind had been poisoned and deceived by Satan in the form of Snake in Genesis, now in Revelation is a DRAGON. Waaaaaa beware of your soul and spirit. Repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus so that your sin will be forgiven and wash away and you will received the gift of the Holy Spirit and your name will be written in the Book of Life. Mark 16:16 Acts 2:38 Rev 20:14-15

Why Miss@lizgoudie8069- you join the group just for dating and not knowing Jesus your Savior who died and wash away your sin. And give you eternal life. Your short of Christ and understanding narrow mind. Im so sorry for you. You still have time to be renewed in your mind and be transformed. You love to find your date. But you did not find Jesus as your FIRST LOVE, like Mary Magdalene who was forgiven, wipe Jesus feet wd her hair and annoint it wd alabaster perfume. Wash it wd her tears of joy in seeing and knowing Jesus. But you just joint the group and search for a man, what a wretch soul you have?????

No one had committed suicide. When you are in Christ you will be contented , happy and at peace. What this poor lady is saying about the church in recovery are all mis understanding. You may join the meetings to find out. You will have mis understandings if you have not seen Gods vision of divine eternal economy. And you will remain in the world if you will remain or choose not to get your mind renewed everyday. It is only God who works unto us. Set God’s faith into us. It is God’s grace upon us that the truths about him is revealed to us.

@@francesescobin7964 I personally know 3 people born and raised in the local churches that have committed suicide. Two were the children of elders.

@@francesescobin7964 Those have committed suicide because satins like you, no saints choose to believe those wounded. The wounded ones were intrinsically easily believe people in the church. I myself and my family were serving for the saints and have been knowing a lot of abnormal things. The "normals" they have blind eyes to not believe that some brothers or sisters have weaknesses in controlling themselves in sexual stuff. I was like you firstly not believe it, but as things go further yes I started to believe. Because the sister was too simple to believe the leading brother's word and got pregnant.🤰She thought brothers in this church were all trustworthy. Ok, so afterward no one took the responsibility of it just because everything is covered-up. See how dangerous cover-ups are.

I’ve shared some quotes from the ministry of The Lord’s Recovery here in this comments section. I’m curious to see what you think of them.

I wouldn’t recommend it, they hate the Catholic Church. In their one video trainings, one of their elders ranted about what he called, “The Apostate Catholic Church”. This is quite common once you get to know them better.

Don't my sister got wrapped in 6 years ago at college now we never see her hardly

@@gunnarlindenmusic When I was there they definitely didn’t hide the fact that their emphasis was on outreach toward college age young people, especially in the Bible belt where it’s “easier” to talk about God and the Bible.

@@Bicyclechris yes all these similar groups prey on The Young and vulnerable. My sister was away at college without family support I'm sure she was lonely and the rest is history it just stinks. I just make sure she knows she can communicate with us and I made my opinion clear when I first heard of the group she was getting involved with because I did my research. I do not add confrontational about it though because I know they are trained to be defensive towards any accusations of cult like behavior. Cognitively I could tell she was at odds when I questioned her about a statement. She knew it was wrong what he said but she couldn't come to grips that he could be wrong. It was in reference to people being saved just by calling on the Lord three times. 99% of Bible believers will say that you have to believe in your heart it's not an act to be saved just by speaking words.

En ese lugar puedes estar bien si es que no vienes de familias complicadas, ya que su ayuda es bastante limitada para temas de drogadicción o de adulterio. Mueren de cáncer o de enfermedades incurables con gran facilidad porque no están capacitados para lidiar con las tinieblas. Lo veo más como un club social y no como el Cuerpo de Cristo en la tierra.

That’s good for you, I believe you. Are you willing to address the abuses of power that have hurt so many? Do you want the elders to make amends? Or do you turn a blind eye out of fear? Think about it.

That is beautiful. I am an ex Mormon and I have heard the same exact thing from so many members in the LDS Church. I noticed you did not mention the gospel but rather the firm community you feel it gave you.

I Cor 2:6-10 But we speak God’s wisdom in a mystery, the wisdom wc has been hidden, wc God predestined b4 the ages of our glory, wc none of the rulers of this age have known, for if they have known, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory; “ But as it is written, “ Things wc eye has not seen and ear has not heard and wc has not come up in man’s heart, things wc God has prepared for those who love Him.” But to us God had revealed them tru the Spirit, for the Spirit reaches all things even the depths of God.

@@priscilamoraleda3851this verse is speaking of those who have been born again. Clear and not confusing or complex. Eyes are only opened when reborn, not through anything of the flesh.

@@priscilamoraleda3851 this is your response? A verse?

@@Love_Cruelty ???

@@Love_Cruelty do you agree with this? “This is from Book 7 in Elders Training The Lord seemingly tolerated Judas because as the Son, the Lord managed and administered God's household according to outward rule. This is the reason He never exposed Judas's stealing. If we judged this according to our knowledge, we would call this a political, not a Christian, move. A man in the world becomes wise and experienced when he reaches fifty; he no longer does anything foolish. He becomes shrewd and cunning. He never falls prey to anything. But this is the way of the world. No Christian should become shrewd and cunning through the knowledge he has gained of other men. If we deal with the brothers and sisters according to knowledge, we can spare ourselves many crosses and headaches by relying on our shrewdness. Today our knowledge about the brothers and sisters is limited. After a few years, this knowledge will increase. Then we will know the brothers as soon as we talk with them, and it will be hard for us to love them. Yet this should not happen among us. If we deal with the brothers according to knowledge, we will become shrewd and cunning. This is not growth, but degradation.” So when abuse happens, play dumb. When people are being hurt, play dumb. Don’t have real relationships with people, only superficial ones. Do you really think God wants people to act this way??

It’s a place called The Lord’s Recovery (a.k.a. “The Local Churches). It was founded and led by a man named Witness Lee. He’s been dead for decades, but his teachings are still strictly reinforced in their churches.

@@Peanut9527 the church I was going to has exactly have the same rules. It was very controlling

@@jenniferindo2420 Yeah… I’ve heard of icoc/icc. There’s a lot of nonsense going on in the churches around the world 😞

The Universal Church is the One tru Body of Christ, The Local Churches wc is His BODY AND HE IS THE HEAD , CHRIST.

@@priscilamoraleda3851That is nowhere in the Bible. There is no distinction between local and universal churches, the Body/Church of Christ is one Spirit. “But he that is joined unto the Lord is one Spirit.”-1Cor. 6:17

This is not true. In fact, the Lord recovery is the only genuine local church in my opinion, no added tradition that ppl mostly like, and local church won't sugar coat any verse in order to please people. I may have some misunderstanding with some of the saints or i may have experienced something that offended me in the loacl church but still i have to say the doctrine and the teaching are above any domination. But as the church consist of mere human that still live in the flesh, they can still sin and they can make a lot of mistake toward saints.

Please do a documentary warning people of who this deceiving group is.

I am a part of the church, and I find all this strange. I've never actually seen any rules in the ministry, but hey, maybe it's just the Church of Chicago@@Momma5000

When does it come out

Omg where can I watch it????

Yes, exactly. You can’t question things without red flags being raised and before you know it the elders are in your home.🤦🏻‍♀️

You are so correct! You basically have to use very specific verbiage and words. When talking about other groups it could never really be in a positive light. They basically only recognize themselves as true Christians.

Yep. This was how it was. I got that pushback once I started analyzing church history and comparing it to Witness Lee's theology and they weren't lining up. I eventually became Roman Catholic and the reaction was pretty bad to say the least

Good. Praise the Lord that you have not been harmed as many others have been. Let's hope that the ones who are not hurt by this group will be willing to reach out to the ones who are and provide them with the healing they need. That you are willing to comment on here is surely a step forward in this process. Coming here and commenting on videos like this is already against what the leaders of The Lord's Recovery have instructed their followers to do. "Avoid the poison" is such a common phrase when they see the testimonies of those who have been hurt and choose to speak up. May the Lord be so merciful as to shut the mouths of such men who try to silence the broken and downtrodden rather than shepherding them as they should.

Have you read their ministry?? This is from their elders training. What a hotbed for abuse! They are literally asking to breed abuse with ideas like this! “The Lord seemingly tolerated Judas because as the Son, the Lord managed and administered God's household according to outward rule. This is the reason He never exposed Judas's stealing. If we judged this according to our knowledge, we would call this a political, not a Christian, move. A man in the world becomes wise and experienced when he reaches fifty; he no longer does anything foolish. He becomes shrewd and cunning. He never falls prey to anything. But this is the way of the world. No Christian should become shrewd and cunning through the knowledge he has gained of other men. If we deal with the brothers and sisters according to knowledge, we can spare ourselves many crosses and headaches by relying on our shrewdness. Today our knowledge about the brothers and sisters is limited. After a few years, this knowledge will increase. Then we will know the brothers as soon as we talk with them, and it will be hard for us to love them. Yet this should not happen among us. If we deal with the brothers according to knowledge, we will become shrewd and cunning. This is not growth, but degradation.” Elders Training, Book 7

@@heatherprock8205 Not only are the elders discouraged from learning and growing and applying their knowledge as they should under God’s guidance, those who have concerns are encouraged to remain silent lest they be bringers of “death.” … “We saw in the last rebellion that even co-workers can be deadened. We should not think that anyone is immune. One among those with whom we serve could be in death. If we then maintain our relationship with him by natural affection, we will allow his death to pass to us. As a result, we will become deadened, and we will even become death. For example, that person may be in the realm of right and wrong. Everything we pass through related to death is from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. He may be reasoning about things, complaining about how the brothers are treating him, criticizing the brothers for being wrong, and justifying himself for being right. If we receive that kind of reasoning out of our natural affection for that one, we ourselves will eventually be in the realm of right and wrong and in death.” (69) “Time and time again we have observed the negative results of personal relationships out of natural affection. We need to be on guard to be separated from the natural affection. Instead, we should have Christ as our affection for others.” (71) “We should especially learn to submit to God’s deputy authority. In the past rebellion some were saying that there is no deputy authority. This is absurd… The deputy authorities in the church are the elders. Without elders there would be anarchy. We must obey God’s deputy authority, whoever or whatever they are.” (74) “Related to the matter of death, we need to realize that in the same way that there is a trash can in every home, there are negative elements in every church. The ‘trash can’ is the gossip, murmurings, and criticisms, regardless of whether they are true or not. Whether it is false trash or true trash, it is still trash.” (76) “When we are with a person, we need to consider whether we feel enlivened, encouraged, bright, and happy or whether we feel depressed, discouraged, and deadened. If the latter, it shows that we have been receiving trash. We must refuse death and accept life.” (77) (The Ministry of the Word, Vol. 16, No. 12, December 2012. The Overcomers. Message 11:The Overcomers in Sardis (2) Overcoming the Deadness of Sardis. Pages 69, 71, 74, 76, and 77. Published by Living Stream Ministry) … Let me now tell you the secret to being solidly perfected to be a strong pillar for the Lord’s move. Certain brothers have been perfected because they have had no concepts of their own. Recently, one brother declared strongly that he only knows to follow the ministry of Brother Lee and to absorb everything of this ministry. There have been others among us who were quite opinionated. They often said, “Brother Lee says such-and-such. Is this right? Is the church right? Just a week ago, I learned about a mistake made by the church.” None of these opinionated ones has yet been perfected. But those who have been perfected to be pillars are not like this. Even when they see certain mistakes, they forget about them, having no time to waste discussing them. They only desire to soak in all the positive things. According to God’s principle in His creation, in order for anything to grow there is the need for a negative side. Take the example of a chicken. We all appreciate chicken eggs, breasts, and legs, but we certainly do not care for chicken dung, feathers, and bones. Nevertheless, without dung, feathers, and bones, a chicken cannot grow. In order for a chicken to be a chicken, it must have these things. But it is not our portion to eat them. We should enjoy the eggs, the breasts, and the legs, and forget the dung, the feathers, and the bones. If we concentrate on the positive aspects of the chicken, we shall receive much nourishment. I admit that the church in Los Angeles has made certain mistakes, and I confess that I have made mistakes. The elders can testify of this. Everybody makes mistakes. No one can deny this. I have had to make mistakes in order to grow. These mistakes are my “dung.” If you eat this, you are foolish. I also admit that I have “feathers.” The church in Los Angeles also has had a certain amount of “feathers” and “bones.” However, without these “feathers,” “bones,” and “dung,” neither the church in Los Angeles nor my ministry would be able to exist. Do you intend to gather up the “feathers” and say, “Look! This is the church in Los Angeles. Look! This is what Brother Lee has done. See all these awful ‘feathers.’” If you do this, you will not damage the church in Los Angeles or my ministry, but you will surely damage yourself. To do this is not wise. These who have been perfected to be pillars, who surely are not less intelligent than you, are wise. Their eyes are much clearer than yours. But they refuse to devote their attention to the negative things. They would say, “Although Brother Lee has some ‘dung,’ he has a great many eggs. I don’t care for the ‘dung’ issuing out of his ministry-I want to eat all the ‘eggs,’ ‘breasts,’ and ‘legs.’ I have no time to hear about ‘feathers’ and ‘bones.’” Let us follow the example of such brothers to forget the negative things and to feast upon the “eggs,” “breasts,” and “legs.” This is my burden in this message. Are you in Anaheim as a spy, investigating whether or not Witness Lee has any “dung”? I cannot live without “dung.” To be sure, both “feathers” and “bones” can be found here in Anaheim. The elders have made many “bones.” But I would stand, even dance, upon all the “bones” they have made; I would not be so foolish as to eat them. Three or four of us knew Brother Nee very intimately. He fully opened himself to us, and we knew his imperfections. But we realized that these imperfections were the “dung” that enabled him to exist. Unlike others, we would not cling to his “feathers,” nor to the “bones” of the “chicken” in Shanghai. If we had done this, we would have sacrificed ourselves. I never suffered such self-inflicted damage. Rather, I enjoyed the fresh, nourishing “eggs,” “breasts,” and “legs” of Brother Nee’s ministry. When a great turmoil was aroused against his ministry, I was not ashamed to say that I was an absolute follower of Brother Nee. I did not care what others said about his mistakes. I only knew how grateful I was to him for the perfection he had rendered to me. I knew the nourishment I had received from him. Even when we are in the New Jerusalem, I shall be able to say that the Lord used Brother Nee to perfect me. Apart from his ministry, I would never be the person I am today. How foolish it would be for anyone in the church to devote his time to finding “dung” or stuffing his pockets with “feathers,” saying, “This is a ‘feather’ from that ‘chicken’ Witness Lee, and these are the ‘bones’ of the church in Anaheim. Don’t you know that the church in Anaheim has made mistakes?” If this is your intention, you are wasting your time. You are in the wrong place. Neither Witness Lee nor the church in Anaheim would pay you for exposing them. But do not think that we are afraid of being exposed. Whatever Witness Lee is, he is what he is. Whether the church is genuine or not, the church is what the church is. Neither the church in Anaheim nor my ministry is afraid of exposure. On the contrary, we appreciate it. But what will you gain by exposing us? (Life-study of Genesis, Witness Lee, Chapter 88, pp. 1136 - 1139, published by Living Stream Ministry in 1987).

As a former Mormon I would not say habits are "odd". They certainly are unique but personally that is neither here nor there. The parts I find disturbing are the control I have seen so much control over people such as guilt or people correcting each other in prayer. Also, how Witness Lee is mentioned more than Jesus.

Yep! Thank you! It did feel so normal living it then, but thankfully the longer I’m out the more I realize the insanity it all was.

Sister,it seems you didn't understand God's economy

She did that’s why she left 😂😂 The recovery is nothing more then a cult that speaks about having a relationship with Jesus but never actually having or showing how to have a relationship with Jesus. It’s all talk and no actions. So if anything your the one who doesn’t understand Gods economy 😊

Sister you are on the wrong tree. You should be on the tree of life. You are damaging the Lord's work......

Well there ain’t no Lords work being done in the Recovery I can tell you that much 😊 If the words of God aren’t more important then man’s words nothing spiritual can be done in that church

You just did.

Well said 🙌🏻

You don't need to know such things to hear her testimony. You either accept it or you don't, and you've made it clear that you don't. There's absolutely no point in you digging for her personal information.

Just some questions for you, since you’ve clearly put a lot of time and effort into commenting on my video. Have you tried convincing your fiancée to be in the group? Or have you spoken to other members in private about how you wish he could “see the truth”? Or have you accepted him and his beliefs as he is and you don’t care if he ever joins? How would you feel if he saw this video? If you’ve tried to make him come into the group, or have schemed with other “saints” about how to get him to “see”, then you MAY be in a cult. Just sayin 🤷🏻‍♀️

@@ritzsticks12 it seems to me like you have a strict mental dichotomy that says someone is either “in the group” or “not in the group” and that isn’t really reflective of the experience I have. As you know there are many meetings throughout the week, not just on Sundays, and I have invited my fiancée to come along to the ones that work with my schedule for that week; sometimes he says yes, sometimes no, and either way is always fine! He is a very independent person and doesn’t like going along with anything just because everyone else is doing it so it would be impossible to pressure him even if I wanted to. He chooses to come or stay home as he wants to and there’s no problem. He has even gone by himself without me before. When he does come, he has told me he thinks the saints are cool people and he enjoys what we read. We have even talked about some of the points that Nee/Lee makes that we don’t agree with but that has never made us not want to continue meeting with the saints in the future. He and I are both free to come and go as we please. I’m really sorry that it doesn’t seem to have been that way for you. That is the love of God: to love unconditionally, whether I come to a meeting or not. And I’m curious, you have said repeatedly the phrase “see the truth” or “see…” can you explicitly state what you think the church is trying to get people to see, other than the love of God and His intention for our lives as the church? I’m also wondering if you’ve since left the faith or if you’re still a believer. I hope your bad experience with that locality hasn’t turned you away from the love of Jesus which makes us sisters in Him. Just to share a little about myself, I was a hardcore atheist most of my life, I hated God and religious people. I had a dynamic encounter with Jesus three years ago and I privately followed Him for about a year or two because I didn’t trust church people. I found a church in my hometown (not LSM) that I was comfortable in but I was always at arms length because of my trust issues with churches and organized religion. I had a very special relationship with Jesus that I didn’t want tainted by religion. Then I moved to San Diego to attend university and after searching for community, I came across the LSM campus group and the biggest thing I felt from them was total freedom and total love. Anytime I said no to an event or Bible study the love was the same as when I said yes. It took a while before I settled into any kind of routine with them and I’ve really enjoyed this community more than the traditional church style. I’m not at all trying to say what you experienced isn’t real and it sounds like it really disturbed your peace which breaks my heart. I’m sorry sister. I just worry that the way you gave your testimony is absolutist and not reflective of the heart of this body of believers, and it could lead lost sheep astray. I am grateful to God every day that I wandered into this flock and I hope others find the treasure I found here. But ultimately God is the Shepherd and He will lead others where they are meant to be; that’s how the saints in my locality feel, that’s why they don’t care whether someone comes to the Lord’s table or a home meeting, they just want people built up in Christ.

@@la_palomita I know you may think I’m the only one who’s experienced this.. but you may want to read the hundreds of comments on these videos of people that agree with what I’m saying. That speaks volumes.

@@Love_Cruelty your comment is really ignorant and assumptive; you have no idea how familiar I am with the satanic or the false religiosity of doctrine. I have tasted and seen what is of God and what is not, and as a sister or brother in Christ your words should be for the building up of those who hear them. Your condescension is ungodly and I pray you turn to the Lord for purification. All saints are sinners, you should know that well. We are always in a constant battle between putting forth God or putting forth Satan. Don’t think that just because you gave your life to Christ it doesn’t mean you can’t be used by Satan. He came to kill, steal and destroy; Christ came to have life and have it more abundantly. Your words reek of death. God bless you and keep you, and I mean that.

Really? You've met sinners like, Joseph's brothers, or Job's friends, or Laban, Jacob's father-in-law, or Saul, King David's predecessor, or Amnon, Tamar's brother, or in Queen Esther's situation, or Lot, struggling at the border of Sodom, etc.?

There have been, but the Local Church movement is litigious. They have sued authors in the past and won.

There is one I have - it's a book about cults - and one chapter is on the local church. I had to take it off my book shelves b/c a family member is in the cult and stayed in my spare bedroom a few times. I didn't want her to see it and get angry. Now I don't know where I hid the book.

Nope:(

Former Elder John Ingalls wrote a book titled “Speaking the Truth in Love” Former elder John Myer wrote a book titled “A Future and a Hope” Former elder Steve Isitt wrote a ton of little books on Amazon Former member Jane Anderson wrote a book titled “Thread of Gold” A woman named Lily Hsu wrote a book about Witness Lee’s mentor, Watchman Nee.

We follow Jesus Christ not man.

To have persecutions is normal, it shows that you are on the right track

Thank you ❤ I hope so too. So many kids get swept into it.😢

@@ritzsticks12 I see what’s going on at my local university with the club and I can’t think about it for long because it makes me feel physically ill. So heartbreaking and deceptive to prey on a vulnerable population. I was one of them.

@@riseabove1256 Im so sorry to hear about your experience. If you ever want to talk, feel free to email me!💛

@@riseabove1256 , I don't know if the practice still exists, but when I was a young adult the campus work focused heavily on incoming college freshman and not 21-22 age group. In the locality where my parents live, the focus was on international students.

@@riseabove1256 it is so deceiving! We are fighting to get our daughter out of this group that she got involved last fall as a freshman. They are good at lies and deception !

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The Recovery has churches around Europe I know there are some in Poland, Russia, and probably in France and Germany too

@@andrewtibbetts2695 I know im looking for exmembers

Hi, I am an ex-member. In which City are you.

@@chanteynk7324 from which country are you? I`m from Germany.

Not all people are chosen

Narrow but multifarious Grace & diversities. Christ is the reality of every positive thing, depends on how u understand this. Can u see God's beauty in ppl & things? How about all things cohere in Him? Or does religion train u to adopt a judgemental/condemning attitude? Homothumadon is unity in essentials, liberty in non-essentials & love in all things. LR is a reminder that God recovers & LR desperately needs God's recovery & the way to that is repentance...

The importance of this is not so much the experience in the local church, it’s the false doctrine that is more concerning. Jesus Christ does not need anything or anyone. (Overcomers).

@@bewaretheLamb808 What about Rev. 12: 7?

@@matthewhearne7200Revelation 12:7…“And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,” ‭‭There is nothing here stating anything about Jesus needing over comers. This is about the Archangel, Michael, and his angels fighting Satan and his angels. This leads to Satan and his fallen, deceived angels being thrown out of heaven and to earth. “and prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.” ‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12‬:‭8‬-‭9‬ ‭KJV‬ God does not need His angels, He is using this battle for His Glory by allowing Satan and fallen angels to carry out His Will on earth as it is in heaven. Remember, God alone knows the end from the beginning and is working all things out for His good pleasure, not out of need. As born again believers, we have no part in any wars between angels or when Christ returns to earth. We simply follow Him to Armageddon and witness Jesus defeat everyone gathered against Him for war. Jesus only speaks and destroys them all with the Sword (Word) He speaks. The Saints do no fighting. “And out of His mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it He should smite the nations: and He shall rule them with a rod of iron: and He treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.” ‭‭Revelation‬ ‭19‬:‭15‬ ‭KJV‬‬ “having made known unto us the mystery of His will, according to His good pleasure which He hath purposed in Himself.” Ephesians‬ ‭1‬:‭9‬ ‭KJV‬‬ “neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though He needed any thing, seeing He giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;” ‭‭Acts‬ ‭17‬:‭25‬ ‭KJV‬‬ “He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?” ‭‭Micah‬ ‭6‬:‭8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Peter is not the Rock, Jesus Christ is. Jesus called Peter a rock (petra/feminine). Jesus is The Rock (sela/masculine), a fortress or stronghold.

@@bewaretheLamb808 yes, JesusChrist is the Rock, the corner Stone, and everything. We also bcame a small stone a rock for the building up of the BODY OF CHRSIT. Its like a building wall that had been joined together knit together tru every joint of the rich supply of JesusChrist.

According to your little god by the name of Lee, the church was actually lost and defeated, that’s what he wrote. So someone must be lying, and I’m pretty sure it’s not Jesus in that verse. The whole “recovery movement”, is based and build on a lie! They recovered absolutely nothing!

@@thetruetruth6474 Back off Satan, and all your devilish thoughts, mind, and work. Prepare yourself to Hades and the Lake of fire. You have little time left. Where O death is your victory, where O death is your sting. The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. But thanks be to God who always give us truimph and victory in ChristJesus our Lord. Who had been risen frm the death, resurrected and ascended in the heavenlies and now sitted on the Right hand of God in the heavenlies far above all rule and power, and authorities and Lordship and every name that is name not only in this age but also in that wc is to come. That every Knee should bow and evry tongue should confess those who are in the heaven and on earth and under neath the earth that Jesus is Lord for the Glory of God the Father. Amen. I Cor 15:55-57 Ephesians 1:21-22,23, Phils 2:10-11 “And HE SUBJECTED all things under His Feet and gave Him to be the HEAD over all things to the Church, Which is HIS BODY, the fullness of the ONE who fills all in all.

@@thetruetruth6474 Amen!

The false doctrine is in their teaching. That is not a locality issue. Jesus Christ does not need over comers.

I am not in the local church, but please read Revelation 2 and 3, and you will see that Christ is looking for overcomers and encouraging you to be one.

@@KomitasKhosrovian the doctrine goes far beyond my acceptance because it says Christ “needs.” Christ is in no way in need of anything. This idea strips Him of His deity. It’s not complicated. Heresy! I rebuke that.

I understand what you mean. To say Jesus needs it seems we touch Christ's divinity. But in reality, this is a translational issue from Mandarin to English. Jesus is looking for or searching for overcomers. He encourages the churches to overcome. He does not need in the sense that if there are no overcomers, He cannot exist. Here, "need" means the desire to have to accomplish His plan. He wants overcomers that through them, the body of Christ can be built up. They do not teach that Christ needs something that He can live or exist. Overcomers are actually normal Christians who conquer the enemy. This is in the New Testament all over the place. So, that is not doctrinal; rather, it is language technicality. Like we do not have a proper words to describe "God head" Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are all one but separate from one another. The language always come short to describe spiritual things. Without Christians overcoming sin, satan, and the world through Him and His blood, there is no way the body of Christ, the church, can be established on earth. So to overcome it simply means to be what Jesus desires for His plan. If He desires that means He wants, if He wants you can say He needs. But not need means He cannot exist without that. No He is God and does not need anything to exist. But to accomplish His eternal plan, He needs me and you to become overcomers.

@@KomitasKhosrovian Amen

Do you remember what the college group was named?

The “rules” are so obvious looking back now.. then it just felt like a way of life.

Amen brother!

I was in a local church and what she is saying is the truth. If you have not experienced this, some “rules” may vary location to location. I was dejected to learn after a year of learning under Witness Lee’s teaching that they believe “God needs the overcomers,” a song they would sing and a doctrine taught in their life study of Ezekiel. I questioned a number of elders about this blatant heresy. I was patronized and talked down to. I left this cult as a result as they never could explain why they believe that God needs the church to fulfill His Will. I was also pressured to marry a woman in this cult. The “Recovery Version” Bible they use is also a red flag as Witness Lee’s interpretation is in the “notes” and outweighs what the Bible (KJV) says.

@@bewaretheLamb808… Hope you still believe this in the Lord brother!

@@dejonketchup definitely still believe and trust Jesus Christ, all glory and honor and power to Him alone who saves! Thanks for asking. I lost faith in the local church, not The Lord. Happily attending Calvary Chapel Kaneohe. My faith and dedication to God has never been stronger. God bless you! ❤️🙏⏰⬆️☁️

Things of the world are following a man’s teaching of his interpretation of the Word that is isolated from other Bible teachings by other pastors.

Bottom line My sheep hear My voice and they will not follow or hear others.

Those are solid doctrines you bring up. What about the doctrine that is taught by LSM of God needs over comers? “God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that He is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though He needed any thing, seeing He giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;” ‭‭Acts‬ ‭17‬:‭24‬-‭25‬ ‭

Get out of that cult. You've been deceived by their trickery and twisting Scripture.

I know three people born and raised in the church who committed suicide. Two were children of elders. You haven’t heard bc they don’t talk about the spiritual abuse and resulting trauma from the local church practices

@heatherprock8205 What is the rate of suicide in the general population.Just because a person has ill children with problems does not reflect on the church.Peiple are ill inside and outside churches.Noone is perfect,we are not perfect neither are you.Suicides are common these days.Do you know how many people commit suicide in other churches!

and the reason of suicide is because of the church?​@@heatherprock8205

@@mariakatsande704 I don’t know what the rate is. I just know I haven’t been involved in the local churches in many years. Ive personally known only 4 ppl in my life that have committed suicide. All 4 were involved in the local churches, 2 of them were children of elders. I’m 41 now. Does that answer your question?

I know of a few.. but they are looked down upon by the elders..

I’ve never met one

I still struggle when I talk about the group. It was my whole life for so long. I’m just glad I was able to see it for what it is.

Every church has something people won’t like, but that does not mean we should not call out false teachings and abuses within our churches.

Yes pray for her Ritz is a demon possessed. Want profit for her channel.

You may have missed the point. It’s not all about the experience, it’s more about the false doctrine and following a man’s interpretation of the Bible.

@@bewaretheLamb808 It’s about the experience. I’ve found videos like this from all Christian backgrounds. People who share with the world their bad experiences here and there, and many thinking they know what’s going on because of a brief video on KZfaq.

@@raphtube75I went to a local church. For about a year. My experience was very similar, pressure to marry a woman I hardly knew, others looking down on me when I had something to share that was not in line with the footnotes in the Recovery version Bible and being guilt tripped when not attending a conference or doing the morning revival. The doctrine is heretical and the experience is oppressive. Period. It’s a blatant cult.

Amen

When the complaints are valid, it shows our commitment to holding our fellow believers accountable for their actions. Paul often called out the churches for their shortcomings because he knew the Lord would lead them to be better. Many abuses have taken place within The Lord’s Recovery and they’ve done a poor job caring for those who are suffering under their care. If they will not care for their sheep properly, they have no right to complain when those sheep cry out from pain or hunger. True weakness is trying to silence the poor and oppressed when they call for help and trying to guilt-trip for making their troubles known publicly. You’re just trying to cover up your mistakes and your mess. If you don’t like this, then deal with your churches wisely and care for your sheep. Fix your mistakes and clean up your mess. But rather The Lord’s Recovery has only sought to beat them down and starve them. Is this your “growth in life”? If keeping silent when the church is abusing and neglecting its members is “growth in life,” then you can keep your rotten life to yourself and fester in it while calling on the Lord. Meanwhile, we will continue to give a voice to those that Lee and his denomination has tried to silence. This is what the Lord commands of us.

*Ezekiel 34:1-16* *1* The word of the Lord came to me: *2* “Son of man, prophesy against the shepherds of Israel; prophesy and say to them: ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: Woe to you shepherds of Israel who only take care of yourselves! Should not shepherds take care of the flock? *3* You eat the curds, clothe yourselves with the wool and slaughter the choice animals, but you do not take care of the flock. *4* You have not strengthened the weak or healed the sick or bound up the injured. You have not brought back the strays or searched for the lost. You have ruled them harshly and brutally. *5* So they were scattered because there was no shepherd, and when they were scattered they became food for all the wild animals. *6* My sheep wandered over all the mountains and on every high hill. They were scattered over the whole earth, and no one searched or looked for them. *7* “‘Therefore, you shepherds, hear the word of the Lord: *8* As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign Lord, because my flock lacks a shepherd and so has been plundered and has become food for all the wild animals, and because my shepherds did not search for my flock but cared for themselves rather than for my flock, *9* therefore, you shepherds, hear the word of the Lord: *10* This is what the Sovereign Lord says: I am against the shepherds and will hold them accountable for my flock. I will remove them from tending the flock so that the shepherds can no longer feed themselves. I will rescue my flock from their mouths, and it will no longer be food for them. *11* “‘For this is what the Sovereign Lord says: I myself will search for my sheep and look after them. *12* As a shepherd looks after his scattered flock when he is with them, so will I look after my sheep. I will rescue them from all the places where they were scattered on a day of clouds and darkness. *13* I will bring them out from the nations and gather them from the countries, and I will bring them into their own land. I will pasture them on the mountains of Israel, in the ravines and in all the settlements in the land. *14* I will tend them in a good pasture, and the mountain heights of Israel will be their grazing land. There they will lie down in good grazing land, and there they will feed in a rich pasture on the mountains of Israel. *15* I myself will tend my sheep and have them lie down, declares the Sovereign Lord. *16* I will search for the lost and bring back the strays. I will bind up the injured and strengthen the weak, but the sleek and the strong I will destroy. I will shepherd the flock with justice.

Do you have a problem with this? From Elders Training, Book 7 “The Lord seemingly tolerated Judas because as the Son, the Lord managed and administered God's household according to outward rule. This is the reason He never exposed Judas's stealing. If we judged this according to our knowledge, we would call this a political, not a Christian, move. A man in the world becomes wise and experienced when he reaches fifty; he no longer does anything foolish. He becomes shrewd and cunning. He never falls prey to anything. But this is the way of the world. No Christian should become shrewd and cunning through the knowledge he has gained of other men. If we deal with the brothers and sisters according to knowledge, we can spare ourselves many crosses and headaches by relying on our shrewdness. Today our knowledge about the brothers and sisters is limited. After a few years, this knowledge will increase. Then we will know the brothers as soon as we talk with them, and it will be hard for us to love them. Yet this should not happen among us. If we deal with the brothers according to knowledge, we will become shrewd and cunning. This is not growth, but degradation.”

How about maybe God uses everything to speak to you including satan, w/ his unique function to attacking your weak spots to cause you pain & alarm, that you'd rise up to repent & be fortified by God? To disregard & deny the signs overtime would cloud your conscience & turn weaknesses into falsehood...

I met with The Lord’s Recovery for nearly ten years, and I can testify that they are what she’s described. There are hundreds of others who can testify to the same and more.

Sounds like you got me all figured out.😉 Actually, how did I not see this before? You must be a great judge of character. I guess the other hundreds of comments that agree must also be fallen souls of some sort. 🧐

⁠@@ritzsticks12 If someone stands against The Lord’s Recovery, nothing else matters. Keeping in line with The Lord’s Recovery takes precedence even over the scriptures. It is a large part of why so many ex-members, Christian or not, can be so casually dismissed as those who “did not have the controlling vision.” As Witness Lee wrote to the elders: _We are here for the Lord’s recovery. I am not doing my own work, and you are not doing your own work. We all are bearing one testimony; we all have our shoulders under the “poles” of the “Ark.” Since we are all bearing the one testimony, we all should speak the same thing (1 Cor. 1:10). But the speaking in certain places is leading the saints in a direction that is away from the Lord’s recovery. Such speaking may not be wrong or unscriptural. It may be right and scriptural, but eventually it will lead the saints in a wrong direction._ _If we go in a straight line, we will reach a proper goal. But if our direction is off, eventually we will reach a goal that is not the goal of the Lord’s recovery. Even after a short period of time, trouble may come to the recovery through your way of speaking scriptural things, that is, through your speaking of good messages. Although there is nothing wrong with your speaking, it may lead others in a wrong direction. If so, eventually that will become a problem to the whole recovery._ _The recovery is not merely a local matter. Although the recovery is in your local church, the recovery is universal. If you lead those in your locality in a direction that is off from the recovery, then there will be two directions-the direction in the recovery as a whole and the direction in your locality. If you teach in a way that leads others in a different direction, some may receive your teaching, but many of those in the Lord’s recovery will reject it. They will not “swallow” your teaching._ _From experience we know that the one who teaches differently is the first one to be sacrificed. This means that if you teach differently, you run the risk not of sacrificing the recovery but of sacrificing yourself. We all need to practice Paul’s word to Timothy: “Even as I exhorted you, when I was going into Macedonia, to remain in Ephesus in order that you might charge certain ones not to teach different things” (1 Tim. 1:3). Instead of teaching differently, we should all speak the same thing._ *(Elders’ Training, Book 3: The Way to Carry Out the Vision, from the Collected Works of Witness Lee, 1984, Volume 2, Chapter 12, p. 343)* Their main priority is not binding people to the word of God, but rather the word of Lee.

Please refrain from statement like this. You need to tell this to the elders who discourages people from pursing certain spiritual growth. She never said she’s going to abandon her faith neither. Those who left are only trusting the Lord not the church. Think about those who left before you say anything next time.

Amen I love God but never this place ,glad I went in the end

If you get Jesus Christ wrong, it’s all meaningless. Christ does not need over comers.

Were you in the church.

@@Love_Cruelty I would say it is certainly a reflection of the church culture in The Lord’s Recovery. Anything that tarnishes their perfect image of Witness Lee and his teachings puts many of them on edge.

In order to love the Lord you need to have your own personal relationship with the Lord. Privately. That involves reading the Bible, meditating on HIS Word, and prayer. The Recovery never encouraged or promoted that. If you don’t love and promote the Bible above MANS TEACHING, you can NEVER truly love God. Now you can’t be a superhuman without the Holy Spirit, this is true, but you have to make a choice. God isn’t just going to make you all in for him just because you ask him or go all in for him once. God doesn’t gain us (except for the part that when we are born again and become his child), we gain him. That’s like saying 5-3 = 3-5. Answer: it doesn’t. God is already perfect and doesn’t need anyone. That’s why the Recovery is wrong. They just say, “Jesus take the wheel.” Every. Single. Time. They make their problems Gods problems. No accountability or responsibility

@@andrewtibbetts2695the local churches absolutely promote studying and meditation on the word. why you think they don’t is very mysterious because I’ve been in the recovery since around 2005 and it is heavily promoted that we need to read, meditate, and pray read the word in a spiritual way to digest it

⁠@@Love_CrueltyI guess the hundreds of ex-members who have testified here and elsewhere are all just liars… even though most of them are bringing up the same concerns. Of course, it’s easier to just dismiss them as “negative speakers.” Don’t listen to the negative things. Just listen to the positive things. Of course… if you’re speaking negative things… *you’re the problem.* Sounds like toxic positivity to me.

@@Peanut9527😂 sometimes people tend to ignore /don't wanna deal with real life when the negativity doesn't affect them but are glad that they're spared, which is natural but is called selfishness & stamped sin in the Bible or 'the old man's weaknesses' as bro Lee call it~but im just a rando, so don't count on me for bible/church accuracy😅

@@Love_Cruelty A hard word, but a true word.