I think I understand what you're saying. Looking back, I seem to remember feeling like one of many "pets" that were "adopted" by a woman with BPD. Like one of her cats in a house filled with cats. EDIT: LOL I was talking about cats, and suddenly I just realized my avatar is my cat. I do love cats, but I never wanted to be someone's cat. LOL!

What if I'm okay with that in exchange for a partner, a lover, for beauty, for attraction, etc. ;( and maybe even help us slowly save each other?

@nunyabeezwax6758 then theres a 100% chance you are a simp with no self respect.

​@@nunyabeezwax6758 I dare u to put up with one for long. Actually I don't, just take my advice dont do it u will be confused angry hurt afterwards nd during plus u will be expected to literally mind them like a baby with no thanks. It's exhausting I dont advise it honestly.

Ever put up with a lifetime of celibacy, never able to see a perky natural titty in person because none are available by the time they make it to the titty bar to do that for a living, since they're removed of even the *illusion* of purity? How about a touchless, loveless lifetime, where even animals are a chore/aren't all that affectionate to you... I'm already confused, hurt, angry, sad and tired of being *not good enough* instead of *good enough*. A lifetime of that... if you yearn for goodenoughness or to escape the hive you just get called "vulnerable subtype" "narcissism": personality disease anyway. But why is it a personality disease to prioritize the self? IN a world full of hive minded sheeple, unironically doing the same but claiming to be so... good and moral..such twofaces... It's not like you can read through it... no one can... it's all a big running gag at the expense of those like myself... who just can'tplay the "game" and have never had a good "mask" to wear for the hive or others... And it's so fucking crucifyingly lonely... I don't need a just friend, I don't need a renta friend (therapist) paid more than I get to be a surrogate for the allies I lack in my life walking my road with me for MY best self interest instead of being SELF SACRIFICIAL LAMBS for the SOCIAL MORES AND NORMS.... I'd rather an overgrown "child" who even at 30, 40 was still childlike inside that I understood and that understood me than some mature fucking shrew for the rest of my days who could havfe let me see a boob in college but said no because she was busy with the fraternity jerk or the athlete who genetics handed everything to on a silver platter... I need incentive, that I can not provide myself. I can't provide my own sex organs, my own warm, three dimensional flesh and touch of a female, a smile, a giggle, things to do together, someone to gravitate to. And I don't want to be "independent". I find these types cold, offputting and... irritating to the extreme anyway. So... what's the worst fate one can have if they can never be"mentally healthy" due to lack of looks, money etc... Only "mental illness" and its "treatments' and "therapies" to make OTHERS who are not ME money remain. Just give ME all that $$$ instead, I might not be happier but at least I could afford cosmetic medicine and buying some physical touch beyond just a lapdance from some blown out skank I don't even find pretty...

I just exited after 3 years I'm a mess but same as you don't want her to see her with soneone else

How are you doing now

Feel the same…we fought constantly about her insecurities broke up every week over 2 yrs, there was always something negative happening in her life…she kept accusing me of not loving her as much as I did when we met, but I was just tired of the chaos and fighting not her…didn’t want to see her with someone else either….3 weeks ago I was in her bed. The next day we had a small argument and she decided it was final. A week ago she’s with someone else and today I’m totally discarded. I’m confused and angry. I feel like an idiot to have been accused of doing to her what she just did me…

@The_Rude_French_Canadian I'm five months into the breakup. I miss her, she gave me no closure... 8 years & we broke up over petty sh*t. Stay strong, man. You'll get better. It took me 4 months just to stabilize. Now I don't even understand what happened.

@@Ikecantstop1 8 years no-contact for me. And brother, trust me, your future self thanks you for leaving your BPD ex. I honestly cannot fathom how someone can deal with all of that for 8 years. I suspect you were a co-dependent. But even co-dependents have their limits. In the end, it is you who wins. Let her sort out her own issues. We are not obligated to drown with them. Leaving my long distance BPD ex was one of the best decisions I've made in my life. The moment I found out my ex was trying to seek my replacement (and with the dude she always claimed to hate, but ended up chasing anyway), I lost all sympathy. 2 weeks after no-contact she was seeking my replacement, whereas I remained single for 2 years trying to pick up the pieces of what was left of me. This shows how highly selfish and unstable these people are and that they lack moral integrity. It's all about them. No wonder they are within the same Cluster (B) as narcissists. Next month I'll be celebrating my 5 year anniversary with my loving girlfriend and we are in the process of buying our first house. Whereas my BPD ex is still mirroring others to create a sense of identity.

Good ending. Never let those demons ruin your life. To me a relationship with a BPD girl was very similar to drug addiction or dealing with the devil.

I appreciate your words. I come to understand what you say based off my experience dating a girl diagnosed with bpd. She has problems, but I cannot fix those problems. She is on a self destructive path that I cannot as well walk on. Despite knowing she loves my attention, she is mainly an energy vampire that I should not engage with. I'm trying my best to get her off my mind and off my social media. I'm tired of the blocking games and her trying to make me feel jealous. It's important to first work on one's self before invading other's lives.

Yes, absolutely. I've been in a relationship with an obvious BPD girl (that was stupid and narcicistic enough to negate it) and she was a true sociopath. She would argue about nonsense, shouted at me and played like I was always the bad one, and in the end she cheated on me and just admitted she used me.

Funnily, my wife absolutely refuses to try therapy its easier to blame me for everything under the sun I suppose.

All borderlines are exploitative. Glad Richard managed to differentiate between CPTSD and BPD(an actual cluster b disorder) CPTSD people don't love bomb and they are not emotionally arrested. They are also NOT disordered. Excellent video 👏 They're "victim mindset" narcissists. They "love bomb, gaslight, triangulate, lie" and much much more.

"therapy" is a con that's why EVERYONE comes out with a "disorder" because disorder is a lazy term for something anyone else percieves to be incorrect about thinking and feeling and is based purely on logical fallacy to begin with... Notice all the overlap, etc. comorbidity etc. This shit's all just labels in the end... Ever think it IS just the world around someone/environment sometimes? But again all subjective personal experiences...

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Sounds like we grew up with the same older Sister. Sadly after 37 yrs this has not changed. My Mother sadly, suddenly died and I am in living hell being around her and all her rage and personalities. It has gotten way worse w age and her alcoholism. Best of luck to you. The only way to win with a toxic person is NOT to play...❤

What I find interesting is that my ex gf BPD was the second child out of 5 sisters and I wondered why just her being the second child had BPD see here that there’s a few comments that have experienced the firstborn. Does it got to do with the birth order being so close as the mother tended to the older sister more . For a first born I would think they would get full attention from mother but from what I understand that arrested development can happen in a short window of the babies upbringing. Please share your thoughts. Thank you .

I'm curious why she have borderline and why nobody know why? Borderline is not easy to create and in the meanwhile nobody in the family noticed signs?

@@roygriend5143 Please refrain from asking questions full of judgment. This IS a painful topic.

Same situation the person I am thinking of has all traits

I’m same cptsd but am healing w assistance

NPD gaslighting can make you feel so fkn crazy you go into fits of anger, blow up their phone, or feel rage. Especially if NPD makes a pattern of ghosting or "turning tables" as a form of torture. And NPD will use the ghosting and anger reactions as a weapon. It will definitely look like bpd.

I searched up these videos because I’m experiencing the same thing ! Shows up as cptsd. Crazy !

I found this video because my boyfriend kept suggesting it. My therapist said I didn't.

What type of Bi Polar was he diagnosed with? Bi Polar 1 or Bi Polar 2?

@@Prometheuspredator this was over a decade ago and not termed that way, I was told hyper manic depressive bipolar and and he was on 3 different mood stabilizers. By then we had separated and he threatened to self delete and was diagnosed on an involuntary 72 hour hold. He also has a lot of other behaviors such as mirroring, attention seeking, fear of abandonment etc that lean more to BPD to me.

​@@korie4198 - Even over a decade ago there was never anything called hyper manic depressive disorder. Mania and depression were originally considered separate conditions, but nothing about being hyper. A person who is hyper and/or has an unusually elevated mood may be considered hypomanic rather than manic. Perhaps hyper manic depression = cyclothymia? Cyclothymia is a mood disorder where the person has depression and hypomania in unpredictable cycles. I was misdiagnosed with bipolar type II in 2010 after I had a manic episode. The manic was caused by stopping my SSRIs. I'm not sure who diagnosed your ex, but if the term hyper was used, either they were educated in another country or they made it up. That isn't DSM criteria. Of course.... I no longer agree with the DSM. The way "new mental illnesses" are created is total b.s. bordering on medical fraud. But that is a giant Pandora's Box. Psychiatry is taking a beating, as they should. Eventually, human beings will be done with these horrific labels and we'll accept people the way they are - warts, neurodivergents, and all. FYI - I have a minor in psychology, a handful of classes away from a degree. I'm not pulling stuff outta my a$$. I'm also super insecure (cuz I tend to piss people off a lot, not sure why??), which is why I said that. 😉

I dislike Grande, the least for how he pays YT to shove his videos in your face. Finally got that to stop but it took an effort.

Sounds like something someone guilty of being that label would say. Nice.

​@@xrppornstar9483 BPD is very complex... There are borderliners who do have narcissistic traits and manipulate people on purpose - but not EVERY borderliner is like that! And always being compared to those can be pretty painful for someone who's not like that...

True. Terms like "narcissism" and related ideas are used online now more than ever before, and often the terms are not used correctly. Here is what I do if someone decides to tell me who I am or what I'm like. I simply respond, "When I want your opinion on who I am or what I'm like, I will give it to you." It shuts them up in a hurry.

Linda, you are one of the smartest ones here .

You're correct The abuse made you that label

Personality disorders are treatable. Many live lives with the condition and you’d never know it. DBT is an effective treatment for some. If you mean ‘cure’, there is no ‘cure’ for traumatic events because there is no way of changing the past in which the traumatic events took place. What there are though, is methods of being aware of one’s thoughts and feelings and gradually developing a greater influence over them (rather than them over you). The only reason I have commented on your post is because you were right the first time, and your mind has been changed by this ‘content creator’ that if you look into, does not hold the qualifications or experience he professes. This means you are on the verge of thinking he’s ‘correcting you’, but really he’s misleading you, albeit very convincingly. He often demonises sufferers of personality disorders in order to sell course that protect the vulnerable from such people. But the suffers don’t really exist in the form he describes them as, and the courses do not really protect people the way he says they will. When we have experience personal abuse, the fear is there none the less, and he plays on that to create a cult like following of people that will give him money to protect them from the world in the scary formation that he creates. It’s all a bit grim. No need to take my word for it, research and the truth normally settles the mind when found.

Don't confuse "treatment" with "cure". Personality disorders can be "treated" (managed) if the person has it within them.

​@@danielkaiser8971facts .. you can learn "tricks" and different behavior but you will never cure from Bordeline. I know now that i cant have a love relationship. It will never happen for me. So i learned 2 live "alone". Its a challange ever day. I hate it but i am more stable and i can handle my own life a little bit better

It wasn't your fault or anyone else's fault. You probably already know that, but I hope it helps to hear someone else say it. I pray that you and your family have peace.

this is why i don’t like going on the internet

@@danielkaiser8971 thank you I appreciate your kind words. 😊💐

You LOOK frickin evil maaaaate

🎉🎉🎉🎉 60,000x!!! I think we need to have a national or international organization for collective recovery from toxic pieces of shit, and I am voting Richard as the first president. ❤❤🎉🎉❤❤🎉🎉❤❤

The understandings of any scientific field are constantly evolving, including psychology. The DSM has been updated at least five times over the years. I believe that we are already in a movement as you have mentioned, because ten years ago narcissism wasn't even in the public awareness. Today, even news channels occasionally use psychological terms specific to narcissistic spectrum behaviors, like "projection", "gaslighting", "lack of empathy", "lack of self-awareness", etc., and the comments under such videos all seem to indicate that people have a noteworthy understanding of these types of terms across the globe. As the evolution of understanding continues, we steadily move forward into more correct, accurate and thorough diagnoses.

@Aaron I certainly agree with what you say "lay people with extensive experience".

@@danielkaiser8971 it may be as you say that people are becoming more aware/educated but the section of people gaining some understanding may actually be tiny - a small subsection of people who watch these particular types of presentation or even self-deniers boosting their propensity to play the victim or people dying to diagnose themselves or perhaps more likely their near and dear. I like to consider that mentally ill people don't know they're mentally ill or they would (presumably) change: I really do wonder how many usererous/manipulative people are well aware of their behaviour, and find the 'science' uncertain not least as I've seen several times acts which are blatantly said by science not to happen, happening - from a (well educated) schizophrenic holding a conversation with two imaginary people plus myself at the same time, to a Narcissist in a rage who always denies her extreme rages (and its included manipulations and accusations etc.) suddenly calming when I pull out a phone and tell her I'm videoing it 'so it won't be deniable this time'. I must say I get along with psychopaths as their thought patterns and paths are fascinating and they're not prone to malicious behaviour as Narcissists are without a darned good reason, and association with the former is like watching a good game of chess, as long as one can avoid getting caught up in their games which easily spill over into using people or crime. Sorry spilling into a bit if a rant here but some of your comments interested me.

What difference? He said they’re the same

I so relate to that. That why I have people pleased, cause I couldn't relax unless everyone was happy. Never heard anyone else explain it that way.😮😮😮

I was misdiagnosed with cptsd

Wow, this describes my reason for people pleasing to a tee! Interesting to see it written out in such a way. Unfortunately, I've also had a past of intentionally S.H. to manipulate others to stay or to punish myself/others for saying/doing something that I didn't like. I've also swallowed pills twice so I think I may also have BPD. I'm not sure anymore. I grew up with a narcissistic mom and have gotten BP2, BPD, CPTSD, and "adjustment disorder" since I was 14. I just gave up on psychology/psychiatry... despite getting a degree in it. LOL

That's just awful that your son took his own life and how it affected you and everyone who knew him. I'm so sorry to hear that. I lost my father September 2022. I have also had multiple chronic illnesses since childhood, so I strongly believe you when you say the BPD-histrionic was a nurse. I have gotten a handful of such nurses fired over the many years of my medical appointments. Such professions that automatically bring up positive images (often with status or power as well), such as in health care, religion, law enforcement, etc., are magnets for people with narcissistic-spectrum personality disorders who thrive on undeserved prestige. Fortunately "not all" are that way. But you are absolutely correct, some are. After my dad passed, my half-sister (not related to him) tricked my mother into adding her name to my mother's bank accounts -- because my half-sister wanted full control of the life insurance money my dad left. My half-brother stole my mother's debit card number by writing it down, he forgot the three digits on back, tried to make purchases, and the card was cancelled for fraud. My half-sister, my half-brother and my mother are extremely toxic. My mother had already had my half-sister and her family go through all of my dad's things, taking what they wanted and throwing out the rest, only two days after my dad passed and I never even got to go through my own dad's things -- everything I would have loved was thrown out in the garbage. Mother did it to punish me for keeping a distance from her while keeping contact with my dad for 11 years before his passing. But then she was infuriated with my half-sister because she didn't realize she now had full access to mother's money, so she closed all the accounts, reopened them, and gave me ("pressured me to take") literally all the wall-hangings and kitchen appliances that my half-sister wanted, just to prove to my half-sister that she was the boss; then as expected, my mother used the money to buy herself all brand new replacements of what she gave to me. Thing is, I didn't want them, so I gave them to my half-sister to get back at my mother for using me in her triangulation games... I am so much of a better person when I am not around any of them. Narcissistic-spectrum behaviors become especially cruel and caustic when greed and entitlement are involved. Again, I am so sorry for the loss of your son and his father, I hope you find comfort in knowing that more and more people than ever before are becoming aware of narcissistic behaviors online with help from videos like this one. May your son rest in peace.

@@danielkaiser8971 whoa - such a lot to have to navigate to find clear pathways for you. Much care & yes an understanding of dangerous people is being awakened through sharing. My dear son had a mild disability & so vulnerable. Much care for your healing.

Friend, personality disorders like BPD are only diagnosed based on BEHAVIOR. You can’t truly have a “quiet” version of a personality disorder that you don’t act on & is all internal. In that situation, what you have is some sort of negative thoughts & mood disorder. Or, you’re simply an emotionally healthy person who sometimes gets triggered & feels tempted to behave erratically, but you don’t. If you are struggling with what you consider “internalized BPD” then please see a clinician because you’re likely experiencing depression or another highly treatable mood disorder. 1 negative aspect of the availability of psych info online is that people can fall down rabbit holes & overly complicate matters that should be simple. Emotional struggles are largely treatable in 2023, & if healthcare is available to you, it’s far better to take the step of a seeing a professional than trying to figure it out online alone. It’s concerning to see a number of young folks now self-diagnosing with “quiet BPD” & I think they’re getting it from misguided TikTok & YT shorts.

With autism and ADHD, which are neurodevelopmental disorders impairing the executive-function portion of the brain & BOTH, frequently comorbid. Add the stigma of CPTSD, and ALL three, which I have, cause incurable emotional dysregulation. There ARE no 'qualified' therapists.. (No, I'm not 'entitled' manipulative, but I'm ALWAYS being misdiagnosed with BPD within 5 minutes of meeting a 'therapist'/'mental-heath' practitioner with 'emotional dysegulation' & RE-traumatizing me with DBT, i.e., GASLIGHTING. Because if telling me ALL my thoughts are errroneous actually HELPED, I wouldn't have CPTSD to start with!!! But NONE of them have ever heard of CPTSD!!!

This is my current reality. I'm "officially " diagnosed with BPD but having a 22 Yr old son with high functioning Autism. I'm sick of labels but paradoxically I'm yearning to have an identity. I would have not but for my son's late diagnosis have had any clue about neuro diversion. I just want to be a healthy ish not wankery human. Thanks as always for the lessons n mentoring Richard.

@@mooncove see I have that to so I don’t know what’s going on with me

Borderline and narcissist are really only facades anyway. This facade can be cast aside if necessary to expose the wounded, screaming child underneath, and in both people this core is the same. The core of every type of narcissism is a huge, poisonous and defective ego. This ego demands acknowledgement and it demands punishment when it is wronged. In this regard, there is no difference at all.

Bordeline/narcissist is a shattered persona. The narcissist's mind - their very self - broke into pieces under whatever stress and pressure they were subjected to before the personality was even formed yet, and before they could even understand what was going on. and then it stayed that way. And then it formed that way. And then it grew into being that way. A personality disorder affects every aspect of a person's thinking. It colors every single thing they do, say and think. this. It's who and what they are. They are many fragmented pieces walking around behind a mask. In that way, it is similar to dissociative identity disorder. A shattered persona with no true identity and no true ability to love or see people as real and equal in importance. When you love a narcissist, you do not love a person because there is no actual whole person there. There are simply endlessly-shifting masks and pieces coming to the forefront and then fading into the background as another takes over. Personality is the expression of identity. The false selves that you see in pathologically narcissistic people are the expression of an unstable or even non-existent identity through the framework of a fractured compartmentalized and non-collaborative personality structure. The false self is a primitive immature survival mechanism created as a result of not having a cohesive identity through which to form a stable personality. Without that and due to lack of development that may or may not be the result of that, many fundamental functions and tasks either cannot be performed or can't be performed the way that people without these difficulties perform them. Parallel abilities must be created in order to do that in order to survive. Examples of that would be using mimicry instead of empathy and enmeshment instead of actual bonding. Securing narcissistic supply is a requirement for the regulation of this personality because due to their dysfunction they're unable to regulate themselves through any other means, It's necessary for survival. Being unable to regulate the self is not an option for any human being and it leads to collapse. Presenting false selves to the world is a way to achieve that. It's also a way to combat the shame that they feel all the time, this omnipresent toxic shame. The qualities and the characteristics expressed through this false self or false selves may in fact be genuine qualities and characteristics held by this person or they could be a complete fabrication esigned to extract narcissistic supply from the environment. It can depend on how far down the narcissistic spectrum they are and a couple other things. Either way the function of the false self and the utilization of people around the narcissist remains the same no matter what. Pathologically narcissistic people are essentially unable to create, sustain or regulate feelings of self-worth. Unless other people continually prove they matter, they do not feel that they do. They can only experience themselves through the reactions and reflections of others. The trauma that creates narcissism works much the same way. as multiple personalities The breaks may not be as severe as what creates actual multiple personalities, but these breaks are very much there. Narcissists, like people with multiple personalities, are different personas stemming from a fractured identity, although in a narcissist these pieces are not fully-formed personalities at all, but rather parts of a larger whole.. They are a dysfunctional piecing-together of what was once - or could once have been - the original expression of the true identity. In a very real way, they have a "split personality." That's what creates the Jekyll/Hyde dynamic we often see. These different parts are not balanced, integrated or cohesive; they exist apart from each other rather than in balance and in some narcissists, they are totally denied. It's a Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde situation, except the narcissist is usually not unaware of the existence of this "bad side" because it's not separate. They know it's there. They are in denial of it. This of course causes it to get stronger and stronger until the entire focus of their existence becomes about denying it. Most people have different aspects of themselves and these generally exist more or less in harmony in the person, creating one unified whole. In pathologically narcissistic people, this is not the case. The aspects are fractured and separate. They've been compartmentalized, often creating a person that appears to have more than one personality. They don't, but because of their inability to integrate these different aspects of themselves together successfully. the pathologically narcissistic person's identity is unstable at the very best and often it is entirely nonexistent. These different personas that they portray are not real personas because usually they are not fully developed and lack any sort of true depth. They are generally one-dimensional, reflecting only one emotional "side" of the narcissistic person and that's it. They are not cohesive and do not coexist the way we understand different aspects of a person's personality to coexist In the narcissist there is usually at least a vulnerable self and a protective self, though there may be other sides as well. Depending on the person, you may never see the vulnerable self because the protective self, which usually holds all the more overtly narcissistic qualities, is standing in front of the vulnerable one all the time, protecting it. Narcissism as a whole is a defense mechanism. Everything the narcissist does is a means to that end. Either they are trying to defend themselves, or sustain themselves. Always. Contrary to what people may believe, the vulnerable self is no less narcissistic than the protective self. It simply reacts to things differently. Even though the execution is different than the protective self, their goals are basically the same: advancement and protection of self. Therefore, the vulnerable self is just as narcissistic. This is the side you may see more of in covert narcissists, especially Borderline Personality Disordered narcissists. The vulnerable self is an immature victim. Everything is an emergency to the vulnerable self. Everything is a catastrophe, everything is painful. This self usually holds the pain and sadness for the narcissist, and there is a lot of it. The protective self is not burdened by these qualities, because being so overtly narcissistic, it has no feelings. That's why it's a good protector. It has no regret, no conscience, no remorse and no mercy. We will often see these types of "protector selves" in multiple personality structures as well. The vulnerable self wants to love and be loved but has no actual capacity for either, no understanding of these things and is pathologically terrified of intimacy besides. Anytime these intimate feelings are felt too strongly, this inevitably triggers a fear response which brings the protective self to the forefront. Every time the vulnerable self becomes too upset or afraid, the protective self will take over in reaction, and for some narcissists, the vulnerable self is so damaged and traumatized, it is afraid all the time. When you deal with a pathologically narcissistic person, you are dealing with at least these two masks or false personas - all the time. You are not dealing with the true self of the narcissist. Many people make the mistake of believing the vulnerable self is the true self. This is not so. The true self of most narcissists is not accessible, even to the narcissist. For all intents and purposes, it does not exist. The personality has fractured because the identity was shattered and broken before it had a chance to develop fully and there is no way to fix that. That is why we say narcissists cannot be treated or healed. The personality cannot be put back together again, because it has grown into its dysfunction and established itself. What we are left with are the pieces of this original identity walking around trying to cope with life and feeling very unable to do so. As the personality is not integrated or whole, it cannot process past traumas, nor can it grow or heal. It is simply stuck in a time warp of emotion where it feels the trauma and pain of the past, every day as if it were happening now. These false selves were created as a way to cope with that. Unfortunately, that is all they are really able to do. They cannot relate to other people. They cannot grow or move on. There is no room in there. There is no room for anything but the self. Pathologically narcissistic people are often dealing with arrested emotional development, among other problems. It may be that they are unable to change these things, and even if they are able to do so, it can be very hard and very painful. Many people are just not up to something like that, whether they are narcissistic or not. A pathologically narcissistic person with limited emotional resources or understanding, and zero coping mechanisms beyond the maladaptive ones they've been using their whole lives may simply be unable to even try. And even if they could at least try, they likely don't want to. . The goal of the pathologically narcissistic person is the protection of the self, not healing.

Because narcs create another narcs. Like vampires or white walkers create each other. Or zombies. It's not my analogy - it's Richard's

His pupils are not even close to being dilated.

@@danielkaiser8971 Pupils don't dilate when you're smoked out tho my man

Passive aggressive behaviors are based on internal anger, and like narcissism, they need your reaction in order to feel better about themselves. Passive aggressive people are skilled at transferring their anger onto others, so that they may see others act out the anger they are feeling internally.

Wow, what an experience you have been having for so long! I too have had diagnoses for different issues than yours, and the diagnoses changed with new information. Usually the new information was that a treatment wasn't having the intended effect. I imagine you feel relieved and hopeful now that you have a diagnosis from someone who knew what to look for. I wish you all the best in healing and in life.

Does Cptsd also have love/sex bombing at the beginning of the relationship ?

I disagree. They erupt and think they are invincible

You're both right.

What if it's a boy lol

Boarderline here .. do me a favor, don’t group all of us who struggle with bpd together. Bpd shows up in all different ways. It’s a spectrum and many are in trauma therapy. Thanks

​@@Kristen10-22 Exactly! Not every borderliner is a monster who manipulates other people - that's rather something a narcissist would do. Most of us are just confused and unable to control ourselves - I'm aware that our behavior can hurt others, but we're not doing that PURPOSELY...

My imagination disagrees with your imagination.

It’s still cluster B- not really a narcissist spectrum to my knowledge anyways

No it's not! But it's possible that someone has both BPD and NPD...

Yes, you are correct. Informally the term "narcissistic spectrum" refers to how much actual narcissism a person has, but technically "narcissistic spectrum" refers to ALL FOUR of the Cluster B personality disorder categories. Cluster B is also called the "dramatic spectrum". BPD, NPD, HPD and APD all overlap but are distinct. Sometimes a person has only one, other times a person may have two or more at the same time. And sometimes, a person may shift between different ones, depending on the person and the context they are in.

Hi Pickle, What you are describing sounds like Cptsd. I get it too, frazzled, noise sensitivity and inability to handle stress even simple daily tasks. At one point I had social anxiety and found shopping very distressing. Please seek help for your mental health. I’m on antidepressants and it has helped a little, I after 6 months I feel more in control but still over sensitive to sounds. I’m still hyper vigilant. I think it’s the overdrive of the sympathetic/ fight and flight response that has accumulated in years and will take time to regulate. Take care and all the best with your healing

@@HahaT634 thank you. I agree, but won’t take pills for anything any more. Been there done that, and the heart murmurs and how fast the pills started to turn into a pill salad “to relieve symptoms caused by the first pills” scared the hell out of me. So I dropped them all, and now been to three different doctors since. All agree, and are shocked to see my mri (one actually said out loud to my face “you should be addicted to opioids by now” 😳😳😳) that I need lower back surgery, and start to book me, until they find out I am on my cpp (instead of welfare) for my fibromyalgia. Once they find out I have a legal disability, my back surgery is ignored and swept under the rug, regardless how hard I insist I want to go back to work after the surgery, even with fibromyalgia. I had it most of my life, I’m sure, since they told me my colitis was misdiagnosed in my 20s and it was actually fibromyalgia I had worked with for 20 years all along. I don’t trust doctors any more because of all of this. I don’t even feel safe talking to a doctor now, afraid I’ll be forced to take some jab I don’t want to take, and would probably kill me, just to qualify to see a doctor now. Idk what the rules are now, but I fear I’ll be dead in five years if I partake in any of it, and just want to be left alone out in the country where I’m not hurting or bothering any one minding my own business. I don’t even go shopping any more, and just do curb side pick up, and get back home as quickly as I can, since I don’t feel safe driving for very long with my legs and tail bone raging in blinding pain the entire way. The only thing I would want a proper diagnosis for, would be to tell some of my family members who can’t handle the truth some times and call me my mothers name to piss me off..to “suck it, I’ve been tested and I’m not bi polar or borderline, just sick of their boundary breaking disrespectful shit is all” 😳😳😂😂😂🤷🏻‍♀️ I was tested about 15 years ago by Catholic social services when I had my eldest son tested, and they said I had anxiety at the time. That’s it. But that was before being narcissistically groomed, abuse and exploited for 7 years. I’d be curious to get some proper testing done now, along with some brain scans (I also have CT scans from years ago) and compare the two test results, along with the results from the brain scans.