@@aliencruise2209 bruh are you blind 💀

I think all of them deserved criticism 👍🏻 they had mistaken and as public faces they should be criticized

i dont think JB needed criticism. those "sexual" pictures were nude photography. its an actual thing, and its a form of art photography. the people in them, are models whom consented to be taken photos of. they arent sexual at all, but you seem to sexualize women's bodies.

@@nadiarivera3317 fr tho. They act like they didnt watch or search for vids where k-idol appeared half naked or showing their body tho. Like double standard or read smutty manhwa manhua or manga like please bches🙄

wanna ones situation was weird, given were not even sure if it was a member saying the handjob comment, but most of what was said really didnt warrant such harsh criticism. the cursing and “i pooped today” comments honestly made them feel more relateable and down to earth, and the complaints about management were fair. guanlin even called out a stalker who had been following them in their car when the company refused to

You can't say anything without having a knife at your throat from those fans 😑 it's just childish and ridiculous

Yes and those sasaengs bruh like why do they exist-

Yeah agree 100% with you on this one.

Jennie stans 😬

@@KM10HM12 BTS stans: Straykids stans: Edit :not all btw

FRRR JB IS A GROWN MAN .

@@michimoou5525 exactly and those FF readers are mostly minors 😫🙄

@@merlin1360 frrrr

@@merlin1360 Where are their parents? honesty anyone under the age of 14 shouldn't be on the internet without parental guidance.

@@e.d.rarendyag7firnen28 yeah 🙄 they should do homework and not watch FF

This is so disgustingly true I feel like he knows this and that's why he tries to draw a line cause imagine people talking about to you in front of you like that it's so fricking creepy

Imagine that happening to a female idol many fans just get away with everything 😒

@@jbshohocham7878 fr

@@jbshohocham7878 true

The sexualisation of idols is such a concerning problem and the fact that they are sexualised by fans even before they are adults sometimes since they debut young makes that even more disturbing,but I think these entertainment companies are partly to be blamed too

Yeah but you probably wouldnt want your search history to be shown to your friends or family or FANS

@@whyareyouexisting7285 But there is a difference between the searches and the nude art he had. It's art that is on Magazines, clothes and exhibitions + it's from a famous photographer.

@@ahgavlive4517 still it is his business

Only difference is nudity is a form of art and it's so tiresome to explain people that it isn't dirty or anything sexual but ART

y’all are disgusting tf

Not all of us

@@hussey3867 you have the same energy as the “not all men” argument lmao. Not all of you but the vast majority of you

Well both things aren't good

@@straysquirrel367 okay but I'm still stating my point, it is still weird having a coochie on your wall and people can call them out if they want too, not everyone writes fanfics

@@hussey3867 the comments calling him mentally ill and disgusting arent really pointing shit out lmao

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I agree like wtf

Agreed

💚👏👏👏👏 PERIOD bestie!

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Their fan Stan are obsessive and subject their fantasy on these celeb

True ✌️

S**ualisation, Dieting, Should have non-stop updates and posts, Tiring choreography + Vocals have to be stable while doing so, Sasaengs. Honestly, i agree with u that being an idol is a REALLY scary and hard job to do, like they have to train for years and all they get is more hate, comparisons w/ other groups, like the PRESSURE-

@@d.reiqrui5996 They literally get 0 hate.Idols could murder someone on live stream,and their fans would say"So what we stand behind you!The person must have had it coming! .....the delusion,brainwashing, is deep and real.The only exception to the rule is female idols.. now they definitely get hate.

@@lauryn7840 girl male idols definitely get hate just because you don’t see it dont me or doesn’t exist

I agree!

Boi, couldn't agree more

It's culture.

IKR

I agree

But that's the point. Idols are not 'artists' in the sense that we understand it to be. Artists have a lot more freedom and creative control. Idols are specifically chosen and trained for the purpose of having a large fan base and generating money for an entertainment agency. That's why Idols are on a dating ban, are told exactly what to say and how to act in public, they are assigned certain roles within the group and can't deviate from it. (Taeyong from NCT is an example. They made him rap despite the fact he didn't like hip hop and liked rock music). The companies want fans to obsess over their Idols because it makes them spend more money. As an artist, you would only be concerned about the music and personal expression....things many idols don't get a chance to do until they've been in the industry for a long time and even then they still have to be careful. An artist can date, get married, have kids anytime. If an Idol did that, it would be the end no matter how old they are. An Idol would have to retire to have that kind of freedom. Chen from Exo was very lucky not to receive huge backlash.

@@shanchan8247 damn you're right... Idols are treated like meat to sell from their companies. This is so sad. I wish them all of the best and the freedom in the future

@@shanchan8247 This is true. BTW, I haven't heard that Taeyong didn't like rap music, his Soundcloud songs are rap songs. He sure is good at pretending then.

@@buttarain27 He said it on an old interview(it was kind of like a diary) when NCT was first starting out. Someone was asking him about his role as a rapper and if he liked rap and hip hop music and he said no, he doesn't really like it. But I don't think he's pretending now. I think he made the decision to focus on his role as rapper and he seems to honestly find enjoyment in it.

@@shanchan8247 Chen was lucky?? Him getting married and having a kid was one of the main reasons kexols abondoned exo! Most kexols wanted him leave the group and he was enlisted after that. No update or whatsoever since then. There are like 8 kexols left only, international exols on the other hand always supported him wanting to have a family.

🤣🤣🤣😭yesssssss you saaaaaaid it sis😭😭😭🤣🤣🤣

maybe he forgot about it or he just didn´tcare because it is his room, his choice. You see much more on social media or tv, so i don´t get why people were criticism him for that. it is just normal. a lot of people have posters or pictures like that in their room. it is non of other peoples business.

Or he did it on purpose and made it seem like it was an accident, who knows? 🤷🏻‍♀️ whether it was positive or negative, he still got some attention.

yes he is dumb. if he wanna be pervert, go on, no one's stopping him. but at least keep that shit to himself, there's nothing to be proud of it especially if you're an ex idol.

@@JenViva288 how are you saying it’s none of people businesses when he showed to the media publicly. Just like standing naked in a public place then saying “ay it’s none of your business to look”

I agree with you.

Art has to be morally acceptable though.

@@whyareyouexisting7285 Art is art, and isn't a question of morality or beauty, nor does it have to be committed. Art is art. And it's precisely for that certain movements, artist could see the day. Nudity doesn't necessarily mean sexuality, in the same way that sexuality doesn't necessarily mean nudity. To censor it's make it lose its sense and its value.

@@collstray7516 so using fur and saying its art makes it great?

@@whyareyouexisting7285 and it is accetable

They are taking it seriously but still its disgusting

Still why would put disgusting and disrespectful images on your wall

@@youredoneyouredone3644 Actually..thats none of our business..He can do whatever he wants..It's his life..We have no rights to stop him!

Right. He is adult, can do whatever he wants. But if he makes his personal choices public (not intentionally) and others find that inappropriate,you can't blame them. If you has the right to like something, others do have rights to dislike that, if they think it's inappropriate.

@@Mehhhh675 its none of our business until it was shown in public i think , and i don't know why people take it seriously, like if u hated him just don't listen to his music

I'm so agree with you!

Yes i agree but on the other Hand korean does not have a diverse Population so they also might not have some knowlegde or experience.. but the case with the lipstick is really obvious . So i can understand your anger

@@Sonnenanbeterin1991 i understand what you mean but they do know about black people, they do know about black culture, black music, black face and the n-word. So, they are no excuses

@Bubless Carrson does they're agency teach them about cultural appropriation . How are they gonna sustain an international fanbase if this types of things keep happening.

@@Sonnenanbeterin1991 as someone who lived in korea and half korean we know what cultural appropriation is and what is racist we might not be diverse but we know what is right and wrong we have internet we are not that disconnected and ignorant so pls don't be afraid to call people out and korea is more diverse than u think

Guuuurl 👏🏼

I just wanna see someone kpop fans hate do this, then this won't be art it will be disgusting for all you. I agree with you but the fans going so much of extent to protect him dosen't sit right with me. And covering it up with pervert fans wrongdoing.

@@shakira7301 can you please explain what is the extent you are referring to? I've just seen fans explaining the issue so far.

@@shakira7301 but i do agree that fans, non fans, haters and just neutral people are going to have very different opinions about the same matter depending on who the person is. At the end of the day we are all biased.

I could care less what is on his wall.The only reason I want him cancelled is because that moron has a black cat named Kunta.I'm thinking about getting a yellow cat and naming him Bruce Lee.Or Charlie Chan lol.

He’s not a pervert omg this is ridiculous I can’t believe this💀

@@fosiyaprincess3885 yes, he's not. The fact the they are calling him a pervert when he was the most sexualized member of GOT7 is insane

🤣​ For me i saw art and inspiration on his wall.....​It not porn it not erotic anymore. For me when i have order to design the tattoo yes i have more than 3 pic about female body for create it not.....​Pervert.

@@ptw666 defenitely...and that's what they can't understand.

i dont get it why they said dal dae gakk?? who are they referring to?

@@emerald442 one member asked who why are there sessang fans to which guanlin supposedly replied with “for free handjobs”

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😂😂😂😂 seriously sandals!!!!

Oml 💀💀💀 Semi off topic tho but still on the sandals talk, like my sandals never last long 💀💀 The soles disappear when I walk...maybe cause I prefer to walk everywhere 💀💀💀😅

@@kclarke421 relatable 😭💀💀

lmao

I'd think it's funny. Also, depends on the guy and what I know about him; I may run or stick around and joke/talk about the photos.

@@savani751 You honestly could’ve kept this whole comment to yourself. I explicitly mentioned with my first sentence that I do NOT think it is wrong for him to have those pictures HOWEVER for myself, I would run the other way upon seeing those photos in a man’s room. Rnb was not rooted or even related to sex at its origin. It literally means Rhythm and Blues. Rnb was rooted in a good instrumentals and sorrow melodies. Not sex. As time has progressed forward it has changed to a more sensual style of music. Don’t come at me with half facts, if anything you are the teenager you assumed me to be. Good day.

@@savani751 if i saw named women in w mans room i wouldn’t be comfortable at all.

@@eitasemi6030 first of all it wasn't his room,it was his studio....his workplace,he has moodboard their for inspiration for music, everything is art related there,he is a film major and that was from his fav photographers work ,they were selling it, infact one of it's merch,a tshirt had it printed on too!!idk how is it a problem to put up things you want in your studio,it's his choice. Also he didn't intentionally show it,it was shown for only 5secs lol and it was very blurred I m sure no minor saw it until some multi decided to zoom it and joke abt it which spiralled out into so many unnecessary nasty things. Just a blurred our screenshot of something that was shown for 5secs. But y'all be stressing on "oh I would be so acted if I entered his room" like he is an artist,you should know well before going to him not just some ordinary guy. Everything about women is sexualised these days,sad reality...if you are uncomfortable it's fine,but why portray him as wierd just coz he doesn't fit your type of ppl?? Artist's mind works differently,if you don't know anything about him,better not talk abt it simple as that coz its gonna affect his damn career,coz mediocre ordinary people's standards aren't met. When the world becomes more open minded,y'all will be the same ppl calling it cool....until then stay pressed

That's exactly the problem. People are defending him because they're fans obsessed to protect their idols image, they're equally disgusting tbh. Fans who put idols over morals aew disgusting asf. Periodt

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My point exactly and they continually keep doing. When will they learn from other's mistakes 😔

Karma came back to him when his very fans turned their back on him when he announced he was getting married

@@StickyBunzNGlitter that’s not far to him either those are fake fans

But to me it sounds weird u rarely hear apologizes for ca. Cuz I doubt all these groups are bad people maybe the companies don’t care enough to let them apologize

Do they all show it live as well?

@@lalalia9838 was he intentionally showing it live? Did he go "OH HEY I HAVE A FEW PICTURES HERE THAT I'M GOING TO SHOW EVERYONE FOR A FEW SECONDS! TAKE SCREENSHOT AND CRITICIZE ME EVERYONE" I don't think so, and those pictures were blurry as hell ffs. He's a grown man not an innocent child

@@lalalia9838 maybe no in a live but they are in museums, gallery, tv, magazines, internet, books and more

It would be normal if it was jay park or someone bcs he's someone who would do that but imagine being called gentleman of kpop just to find this about him. The biggest disappointment ever.

@@shakira7301 I know culture is different but art is universal, he already apologizes for not being careful and show it in a live and minors could see it, he still a gentleman, he accepts his mistake

Thank u so much

Thank you so much sis

actually the point was abt younger audience and it was kind of dumb of him for doing that , but bashing him for other reasons is not right like u said

Honestly no offense, but if i suddenly found out that my male friends (who im close with) or male siblings had pics/posters of naked women on their walls? i would still be very uncomfortable (eventho im a content moderator for tiktok and see people doing sexual dances/acts n show private part for clout daily) I cant help but be cautious n uncomfy afterwards cuz you never really know "why" they have those pics in clear view...in a place where they are often in private 😶 Sometimes ur mind just fill in the blank n u cant help but feel grossed out by the guys who do that Im explaining this badly, but this is just my 2cents😅

@@izzyisme7451 yeah......i wud be uncomfortable too , but canceling him for that is not right , as u said we really dont know y he has those pics , they might just "art" as ppl said , we r not gonna meet him anyways lol so y cancel him , just take his music which is nice PS. im not saying u r canceling him or anything , im just saying that ppl dont need to do that and no offense intended

@@nehanandam8168 so true, he gave his reasonings, explained his part of the story n apologised. But unfortunately im not an Ahgasae😅 n when people started cancelling JB for this i barely felt anything cuz Got7 just disbanded(? Or was it separated?) n i had long stopped since been their fans I was like...."oh, another JYP idol getting cancelled? Yikes" n moved on 😅 That sounds so mean but i hope JB can safely get through all this, and successfully make a CB 😊😊

@@izzyisme7451 i see! no worries , but they just left the company , they did not disband ......

you cant use the excuse " thy are humans too" for every mistake its just dumb we all know they are humans

@@minxxz1287 I don’t know what people r so pressed about, I mean some of these r not even so called issued like wanna one’s incident was lowkey funny and JayB’s was a bit exaggerated it isn’t a big deal and a doubt minors these days r so innocent that they won’t know those things already, as for Chen’s and other one I have no right to speak about it cause I am not from Black community , it’s up to them how they perceive the situation and whether they decide to forgive the idols or not.

It’s not a mistake. Ur acting like racism is a “mistake” everyone makes.

Are you also excusing the racist things they do ? 😐..

umm not when they apologize and continue to do the same shit

All that is written in the commentary, but in this way only a small percentage of those who use common sense think, while the rest have become "robots" programmed by music companies, which are constantly bombarding Kpop fans, that they are "angels, , ,, sinless ,, ,, honest ,, and blah, blah ... and they are just people who work in the entertainment music industry and they are sinful and have all the weaknesses, like every other man on this planet ...

Ikr

@@minxxz1287 girl it seems ur not mature enough to understand this situation. these are nude models whom feel confident in their naked bodies. the pictures are sexual at all, and the meaning behind nude photos is to appreciate the human body. you are the person who is sexualizing the model. grow up

@@minxxz1287 well then... what is woman's body to you? And i think we have different views on how we define "art" here

@@coffeesh747 some people refer to fur as art, is that acceptable? Art has to be morally acceptable

maybe cause it is offensive??? The racist ones are very insensitive and offensive and are being rightfully called out

@@dedeess do you really think that everyone who sings songs involving the word nigga really sing the whole song but only leave out that part, and that intentionally? I dont and others as well, but these are litterally the People who say it's racist when someone else does

@@losteumybag5068 I’m literally black and I still don’t say the n word if it’s apart of a song so you have no excuse 🥺☹️

@@losteumybag5068 so you're saying you're racist? got it.

@@yamahral6224 im black you imbecile, but ok. And which part of it would make me racist?

Only k netz are like that others are chilled out specially japanese fans

Not only koreans

Especially the high saesenge population.

Don’t get me started on c fans lol

At least they hold idols accountable not kissing their a**es like intl fans do

ikr like wtf do you want them to talk about off cam? Unicorns ? boys are boys and this applies to all boygroups.

Except that they are at work when this happened, with live mics in hand. I don’t see it as a huge scandal, but a workplace snafu.

@@Kavyathegreat exactly!!

@@Sunset553 but they didnt even know they were live...

@@praseethak9709 Yeah, I saw that. It’s like joking in an office when you didn’t know a customer is going to be there. They were at work. That matters the most.

IKR! lol

How was the Chen thing racist I’m black and I wasn’t offended at all it wasn’t even racist tho I don’t understand 😭😭🤚🏾

@@jiminfinallygothisjamsback3282 for me it was the Yaebin one, like I don’t get it either. Like idek who she is and this is the first time I hear that name so I can’t be biased

@@imsopure8479 who’s that 😃

@@jiminfinallygothisjamsback3282 pls it was racist

the last one is so..... i dont really like it bcs they seems so scary for that one honestly, about them complaining about job is acceptable.

I kinda agree with you. They have every right to complain abt overworking and not getting payed enough. The random comments made like the one from Daniel are surely unprofessional but not that big of a deal. If it were for that then I wouldn’t even give a second thought to the incident. I actually laughed at first. But what I really didn’t like is how one of the members (guanlin apparently) sexualized his female fans. It’s pretty disturbing and disgusting to even with abt that. But hopefully it the rest of the members didn’t go much along with it. I saw some Korean netizens saying that the ones holding the camera (Jinyoung and Woojin) where the only ones who didn’t participate in the conversation and tried to change the topic while Jisung and Minhyun weren’t even in the room.

i don't want to say chen wasn't wrong and i think he should apologize. but if you know him even a little bit you know he would never on purposely say such a thing. it is bad of him and he should apologize but just consider this..... it is mostly a korean thing. for example in my country we were raised watching a lot of cartoons and movies and series on television that has black people. we never seen black people in real life. for us having darker skin and beautifull full lips and big bright eyes remind us of black people. i mean...non-east asian people out there watch a person with small narrow eyes and shout "jackie chan jackie chan!" or "BTS"... Asian people see an american person and shout the names of any american actor (mostly marvel actors XD) that they know... don't tell me you've never seen this situations! ...imo it was the same for chen. i always tell my mom that black. i always say to my mom that how most black girls and guys have beautiful full lips? why my lips are so small. i wish my lips were like them! not too small! in korea almost all people has small lips. like...really small lips and noses! so for them having wide mouth and wide smile reminds them of American people. specially american women actresses. having full lips reminds them of black people. their lips are so full and pretty. he just remembered those characters and named them as an example of having full lips. not for making fun of them or being racist. they have a lot of black fans and if you see fancams of when they are not on camera, you see how they treat all their fans equally. i saw that they respect their fans. as examples i saw them with black fans. with Malesian muslim fans. and with lgbtq member fans.... still after founding out that fans are offended about it, he HAD TO made apologies. i would be really happy if he had done this. i mean... i am a muslim asian (Iranian). one of the biggest targets of racism people! i always see people judging me even before i talk. i say i'm from Iran and it is enough reason for them to call me terrorist and so many bad things! bcz they see dumb and completely wrong things in western media about my country. things that are 99% wrong and funny for me! so i won't defend these things...i would never defend racism..but i think Chen's situation was different.

@@Kim-rw6tz, *the thing is dude we don’t know him we don’t know why he felt the need to say that we don’t know who he truly is deep down because we aren’t his friends or his family we go off what we see on the media there is no way to prove who someone truly is by recorded tapes and especially with the fact that they have to keep images I doubt the Chen we know is even maybe 20% of his actual self so I really can’t agree with you on that no matter the way his comment was directed it was still offensive and that’s all that matters at the end of the day we all need to learn to stop racism as A WHOLE*

Um what...”blackface probably didn’t occur to him..” okay? That doesn’t mean you defend him. You should still hold him accountable tf...🗿

@@remigal899 ok, calm down, snowflake. Defending him doesn’t mean saying what he did was ok. But there is a thing as mitigating circumstances such as when there is no malicious intent. But here, he was clearly aware of blackface at the time so it’s inexcusable.

@@frozentaho206 snowflake???

I don't know if you are a fan or not. But an EXOL knows that chen is one of the kindest among all. Just yesterday we read a post of how he treated a speech-defective fan. And seriously to be honest, we all have insulted or bad-mouthed about someone at one of point of our life. Asking for apology just because they are idols is completely wrong.

as a white person who sings along to the weeknd, i try hard not to say the n word. like not cuz i wanna say it but cuz its in the lyrics. it takes practicing a song not to say it im not justifying anything cuz its not my place but if i was mindlessly singing alone, i might let it accidentally slip too

Chens situation wasn't problematic. Come on dude loosen up abit. There's plenty of black people who's cool about it.

@@MJisthepowerhouseofmusic nope. Racial slurs should not be something you want to use.

@@jennierubyjane4133 its not sth I wanna use don't get me wrong. But I know the songs and I know the lyrics so if I want to sing, I have to practice not letting it slip out.

bruh you cant use "they are humans" for every mistake its just annoying and cringe

@@minxxz1287 hey if you think it's cringe than sorry but that's what I think Most of the people wants idols to be perfect and it's true

Yes they are human but most humans are not idols and in the public eye 24/7

@@earthshuman3864 I know but they are humans is not an exuse

@@minxxz1287 *ON GOD BRO!* these are fucking grown ass adults bro come on

Racist sorry not me

Mistakes? yes. Racism? hell no. That's ignorance.

I do make sexual jokes too. The difference being that the one guanlin made was basically objectifying women since he described his female fans as potential easy people for sexual acts. It does seem pretty disgusting to even think abt it

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The thing is, I am totally against racism, still I don't see a problem in singing along to songs containing such words, since u don't use it yourself, it's similar to giving a quote. If people would have a problem with others singing along to that, they wouldn't include it in the first place, i'd say.

@@schande4589 it's not the same tho as a quote, anyone who isn't black when using the n word usually says it in a super negative connotation.If a whole culture of people tells me to not say a word even if it's in a song, then I respect it yk? It's their way of taking the word back, Have a good day though :)

@@schande4589 DONT USE RACIAL SLUR EVER! DOESN'T MATTER WHAT CONTEXT 😐

But he said his lips look like him since when is that racist I’m genuinely confused to

Exactly 👍

Nah not for racism.

@@jadacurry1020 i don't want to say chen wasn't wrong and i think he should apologize. but if you know him even a little bit you know he would never on purposely say such a thing. it is bad of him and he should apologize but just consider this..... it is mostly a korean thing. for example in my country we were raised watching a lot of cartoons and movies and series on television that has black people. we never seen black people in real life. for us having darker skin and beautifull full lips and big bright eyes remind us of black people. i mean...non-east asian people out there watch a person with small narrow eyes and shout "jackie chan jackie chan!" or "BTS"... Asian people see an american person and shout the names of any american actor (mostly marvel actors XD) that they know... don't tell me you've never seen this situations! ...imo it was the same for chen. i always tell my mom that black. i always say to my mom that how most black girls and guys have beautiful full lips? why my lips are so small. i wish my lips were like them! not too small! in korea almost all people has small lips. like...really small lips and noses! so for them having wide mouth and wide smile reminds them of American people. specially american women actresses. having full lips reminds them of black people. their lips are so full and pretty. he just remembered those characters and named them as an example of having full lips. not for making fun of them or being racist. they have a lot of black fans and if you see fancams of when they are not on camera, you see how they treat all their fans equally. i saw that they respect their fans. as examples i saw them with black fans. with Malesian muslim fans. and with lgbtq member fans.... still after founding out that fans are offended about it, he HAD TO made apologies. i would be really happy if he had done this. i mean... i am a muslim asian (Iranian). one of the biggest targets of racism people! i always see people judging me even before i talk. i say i'm from Iran and it is enough reason for them to call me terrorist and so many bad things! bcz they see dumb and completely wrong things in western media about my country. things that are 99% wrong and funny for me! so i won't defend these things...i would never defend racism..but i think Chen's situation was different.

@@Kim-rw6tz yeah no. Idc

@@Kim-rw6tz he could have closed his mouth. Especially comparing it to michol, yeah no. It’s not if. You are still defending his and making excuses for him

@@jadacurry1020 ok ?

ikr they don't know that words has different meaning with the environment and culture,

@@seunghyubs_eam they know...but they just don't care and are gaslighting

@@athenasuperheldin1017 oh, that's sad ಡ ͜ ʖ ಡ

@@seunghyubs_eam a channel called Adeola Ash uploaded a 40 minute video talking about racism, cultural appropriation in kpop. I mean Big Hit even sponsered a conference that studied Black people's reactions to BTS and Kpop music (which is a bit weird) but.....they KNOW what they are doing but they just do not care because any time they are racist they can just lie and say "oh we did not know" and then the nonblack fans will turn around and attack the Black fans...saying they are too sensitive and should juar accept it. I used to listen to Kpop since 2008 or 2009...I used to LOVE IT but sadly not anymore because I am disappointed with all the racism in the Kpop groups AND in the fandoms.

@@athenasuperheldin1017 that's one of the reason why i barely stan kpop idols ಥ‿ಥ racism, unreal beauty standard,body shaming :((

I have to disagree about you saying that EXO is racist. Please don't mislead people. Even though Chen shouldn't have said that, he meant no harm to anyone. He was just joking and apologized las soon as he realized his mistake. Now some people will say that they were racist towards Kai (in 2013-2014). They were just joking and teasing him. Do you think they would be as close as they are now if they meant being racist toward Kai? So please before commenting and believing anything, be sure the source is reliable.

@@graciabraidy1937 everyone is racist and the reason is because racism is implemented in our society. the problem with exo and other idols is that they apolozige the first time but they keep making the same mistakes, if I can call them mistakes, when you do the same thing over and over they are no longer mistakes. racism has many faces, and one the faces is joking to much even when people try to educate you. The racism we see in idols is the racism that Korean society has implemented in them, but it is their job for their fans of color to educate themselves. Obvously they can changes and educate themselft and be better. Stop defending idols.

@@dayaneth1499 I totally understand your point of view. However, not everyone is racist. I would say most of the people are ignorant. Yes, he shouldn't have said that, but I don't think it was done with malice. I agree that we should stop defending idols at some extent. When Idols do some sort of mistake, they need to be held accountable but not in the form of hatred. Don't spread rumors about a certain person or group being racist or colorist (based on what you read on the internet) when they learned from their past mistakes. Thank you for reading my point of view and respecting it

EXO is not racist, they have been colorists, which is different, apart from not all the members have been like that, plus those comments were made a long time ago.

@@graciabraidy1937 Chen did NOT apologize.

Them dreaming about their idols dosen't change the fact he had nudes there hun y'all are embarrassing asf.

Both fans and idols are disgusting

@@shakira7301 As an ex student at an Art and Multimedia high school I can tell you that those photos are not pornographic ones, but artistic nudes. There's nothing wrong, vulgar or inappropriate in human bodys, you all need to understand that nudity doesn't necessarily mean sexuality and, in the same way, sexuality doesn't necessarily mean nudity. These pictures are part of an exhibition and are meant to be seen and appreciate, not to be considered as sexual and I think it's a bit disrespectful toward the artist too to consider them as pornographic... This type of art is not for everyone, I can see some people are not mature enough and they will always see some sexual double meaning in everything, I'm really sorry for those people I hope someday they will be more open minded.

Why you think that mentioning black person in the conversation is racism?

@@dilykairdos8547 These idols didn't mention them in their conversation, they said some insensitive stuff which might hurt a whole race of people out there.. Don't you know about Black history and how much they suffered..And to joke around about their complexion, habits and stuff is just rac!st and I won't defend that at any cost

@@jigeesha3668 oh I'm understand now. I know history, yeah. But people calling racism even when Robert D. Jr. become black character in the movie. And I think that if person not think about other race in a bad way so it's not racism. And yeah, I'm understood your feeling.

@@dilykairdos8547 well, idk about that one and am talking about kpop rn so..

As a black person.......🧑🏻‍💻🧑🏼‍💻👩🏼‍💻👩🏻‍💻

Well, you might be the first and only black person to excuse someone for evoking the name Kunta Kinte -- in jest. You can't get more racist that referring to an actual character of a Slave Trade movie.That was an incredibly powerful movie and the character is held up proudly in African American culture. It's not for another race's entertainment.

It’s so irresponsible and disgusting to do stuff like this, there’s really no excuse.

@@crimsonrosesx i don't want to say chen wasn't wrong and i think he should apologize. but if you know him even a little bit you know he would never on purposely say such a thing. it is bad of him and he should apologize but just consider this..... it is mostly a korean thing. for example in my country we were raised watching a lot of cartoons and movies and series on television that has black people. we never seen black people in real life. for us having darker skin and beautifull full lips and big bright eyes remind us of black people. i mean...non-east asian people out there watch a person with small narrow eyes and shout "jackie chan jackie chan!" or "BTS"... Asian people see an american person and shout the names of any american actor (mostly marvel actors XD) that they know... don't tell me you've never seen this situations! ...imo it was the same for chen. i always tell my mom that black. i always say to my mom that how most black girls and guys have beautiful full lips? why my lips are so small. i wish my lips were like them! not too small! in korea almost all people has small lips. like...really small lips and noses! so for them having wide mouth and wide smile reminds them of American people. specially american women actresses. having full lips reminds them of black people. their lips are so full and pretty. he just remembered those characters and named them as an example of having full lips. not for making fun of them or being racist. they have a lot of black fans and if you see fancams of when they are not on camera, you see how they treat all their fans equally. i saw that they respect their fans. as examples i saw them with black fans. with Malesian muslim fans. and with lgbtq member fans.... still after founding out that fans are offended about it, he HAD TO made apologies. i would be really happy if he had done this. i mean... i am a muslim asian (Iranian). one of the biggest targets of racism people! i always see people judging me even before i talk. i say i'm from Iran and it is enough reason for them to call me terrorist and so many bad things! bcz they see dumb and completely wrong things in western media about my country. things that are 99% wrong and funny for me! so i won't defend these things...i would never defend racism..but i think Chen's situation was different.

@@Kim-rw6tz What he did was literally blackface, there’s no difference between him or anyone else doing it. You’re just blinded by your admiration for him and just because he has spoken to black fans doesn’t mean that he doesn’t carry harmful and negative stereotypes of black people. Also you talking about “black people lips” like that just sounds dehumanizing and weird. It’s just ignorance from him and you.

@@Kim-rw6tz shut up.

@@kaylaa660 are you a 5 yo kid? bcz they are the people who swear instead of using words and talking.

Well good to feel cool. But remember this kind of choices are the reasons why World is suffering. Easy to say, that they are adults and choices.. When u show ur so called choices, u actually show ur mindset too.. For ppl like u it is easy to say and criticise fans all the time.. But if ppl won't say anything here.. There will be many idols doing the same shits.. Maybe u don't feel anything as ignorant person but sensible ppl can feel, racism isn't good.. Nudes isnt good to show on social media like how much u like nakedness or not, it isn't cool. Don't try to normalise it for ur coolness

@@tingle2323 wait when did I criticize anyone........I commented that not just after seeing this video but also after seeing what's some fans of our fandom are doing......how am I ignorant.....I said they are adults and their choices because...some fans have problems when they date..if they have tattoos and if they do anything which offends the fan.....you literally just took me in a whole wrong way

@@tingle2323 I m not trying to say what these idols did was correct....but I m asking people to think about this from the other side......the idols especially jb must have not meant it that way.....

@@tingle2323 and I m NOT criticizing all fans......there are fans who kind of want to control the idols.....I m calling them out....not everyone....you literally didn't understand what I said....I don't like these things as well....when did I say it was cool....read my comment carefully understand the meaning behind it and then come and comment under it......you know I m a human and it hurts when someone misunderstands you like that....and comments those things....

@@tingle2323 I did not say that racism is a joke....I m just saying it for those fans in general.....I just thought of commenting....and about jb....he accidentally revealed his room...

How was it embarrassing? You don't joke about stuff like that??

@@Exotic6792 honestly no..I mean I get it that they are a boy group and ppl can joke around with each other..true..but cussing before live and especially that handjobs (only the pretty ones) comment was too embarrassing... and the fact that it got even broadcast on live just made me feel embarrassed for them. Now I think you'll get my point. Thank you.

@@tanyakatiyar1652 Oh i understand. Like second hand embarrassment? anyways, apparently the handjob comment wasnt true, if i remember correctly, it sounded like that but it was another word, just pronounced badly by one of the foreign members. the fans were so pissed they sent the clip to some audio forensic thing 💀

@@Exotic6792 ohhh okay

i disagree with you. theres clean versions of nicki minaj's song, she couldve sang those.

@@nadiarivera3317 Well true but I still forgive her she made a mistake (a big one) but everyone makes mistakes I forgive but I do not forget but you are correct

I blame Nicki M and songwriters. I’d have liked that song if the lyrics weren’t horrible. It’s controversial in the US, but I’m on the side of “let’s all stop using the word”. It’s insulting to hear the song being played. To blame someone not fluent in English trying to sing it? No, the blame is far upstream.

@@Sunset553 girl ur wrong as well, nicki minaj is black so she can say that word. it isnt her job to supervise someone like a babysitter. the n word is apart of their culture, and asking them to remove it is like asking an adult to stop saying the word fuck. and koreans are not innocent, they do know abt racism. idk what race u are but u give off republican vibes watch this video, believe me, korean people do know what they are doing: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/d7dgp7Vlt76xeI0.html

@@nadiarivera3317 I am also black and stand by what I said.

He was sitting in a dark room with the lights off. He leaned up to adjust his seating position and his wall showed literally for 2 seconds. Somebody had to save it and zoom in and inspect the photos with a magnifying glass to see what was in the photos. And they were still blurry. No one watching the live would have noticed it.

I 101% agree with you

That means you don't know what Chen's intentions either.I understand that as an idol he receives great pressure. I can't imagine the stress, but you have to also see the other point of view how those jokes made black kpop fans feel.It was in fact a really racist joke to say, Just like how I hear people make racist jokes about kpop idols, or call Kpop Idols Jackie Chen.I'm not saying crucify Chen but by saying everyone makes mistakes it's only making excuses and enabling the behavior. He should've been held accountable,apologize and truly learn from his mistake. Have a good day though

@@paulajurczak3542 i agree with you. He should have apologized and i get how hurt the black fans might have been. But all I'm saying is that Chen isn't necessarily bad or racist just because of a few terribly handled mistakes. And besides, people change. And i believe he has too. But i totally get it that he should have apologized for the remark afterwards. Good day to you too.🙃

That's not true. Black people can be culturally ignorant too. And post some questionable stuff but we don't get called out on our shit. Try talking to a black person who is not into K-pop about Asian music and see how much ignorant shit they say due to lack of cultural awareness. I think we all need to do better. But especially these artists should get some cultural awareness taught in training since they try to appeal to a global audience.

Watch the full video. One of the boys sexualized the fans

@Eleanor Habets | LLN jb has said multiple times that he likes nude art and nude art is very common. In every art gallery you would see at least one type of nude art. The difference between JB and a 50yr old is that JB doesn't sexualize the art, he enjoys the art for what it is, and I agree with him since the human body is truly beautiful. And the pictures are from different artists so there's nothing wrong with having them since he's supporting their art.

Well people get uncomfortable easily these days.. Now I'm talking about the JayB case.. I don't get why people still talk about it.. He apologized, then people should move on 😪

@@TrineMortensen people get pressed over everything these days... they’ll also do anything to cause drama so

@@africkingmess7448 That is true.. And that's sadly what happend here, it was just to start fanwars.. I don't get why people(non fans) don't think, when they talk about other people like that.. They used some very bad words towards him, and that really made me sad since he's my Ult and I know he didn't deserve that 🥺

@@TrineMortensen oh no, that’s bad. nah people just find the tiniest mistake and over exaggerate it like crazy

@@africkingmess7448 I disagree with you for the Wanna One incident. I feel as if most people when looking in to situations like that always come to defend it from the perspective of "Well they didn't know any better". I think what the video shows more than anything is that yes, idols do know better. In literally every situation shown the idols knew better, with one even proving so. I mean let's look at it this way, if you didn't know what the N word meant, would you use it? Even to friends? I mean when you don't know something but pretend to know something you end up looking like an idiot regardless of who it's in front of, if that makes sense? With the boys, whoever said it clearly understood what it implied, else they wouldn't have said it, as did whoever responded to them. It's kind of crazy to me that people look at JB's stream where he showed nudity/art/whatever and think "Oh what about the children", but when Wanna One references people giving handjobs it's not as serious because they're careless boys? Let's not forget, the eldest member in Wanna One is like 30 at the moment, they only debuted as Wanna One in 2017, so most of them really weren't that young, thus it's not like they were all magically unaware of the implication the comment had. In my eyes, what those boys implied was much worse than JB, since everyone that watched would have heard, and not everyone would have examined JB's background; it wasn't straight up p* on his wall as Knets implied etc. The thing that kinda disgusts me about Wanna One more than anything is that those dudes understood they had a plethora of underage fans since some of them (not all) were underage themselves, it's not something you joke about, livestream or with a group of friends.

It's not everybody doing it hun. Yes he was hella disgusting for it and I'm not interested in ffs, yes people like us exist. Fans s*xualizing him dosen't change anything. Both him those fans are at fault.

Chen KNEW that it was something negative because he laughed and compared the big ugly lips to a Black person's lips. When Exid went to America and a White reporter copied one of the members accents...their conpany threatened to sue and the story was even on Korean news. So they don't like it when someone is racist to them but Black people should be okay with Kpop being racist towards us eventhough they take so much from Black music and culture?

Thank you! Glad you like what we're doing 😇

I almost skipped beats for a second thinking its real/official blackpink!

@@hey_stalkers 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Idk who defends them. But not everyone in that industry is bad also fashion is taken from all sorts of places even my own region, I think thats the sign that our world is getting smaller. As long as their not using it to show a group of people in a bad light then I don't think people should be that uptight about it.

That's exactly how us asians feel about the nudes shit. It's actually great they're leaving. Or else we'll have people only holding idols accountable for what they want. It's disgusting everyone are defending when it's literally women's private part pics hung in the wall.