Did you not enjoy all of the books written by his son? The 9 prequel novels and the resolution books expand the amazing universe of Dune. While he is not his father... I thought the authors did great. Will you ever make videos exploring the other books?

Despite some disappointments, I actually enjoyed them too.

I think the son completing what his father had started to be a beautiful juxtaposition of the Dune saga itself.

What is the son but an extension of the father?

What is the music playing at 3:30

Star Wars has the same problem, the Eternal Empire used a similar idea. But later made Navcomputers

Idiots, just wait for the light to catch up so you can see, smh

Not impossible. They did it with computers before thinking machines were banned after the butler's jihad.

Actually, no. You don't need "actual vision" to plot a course, you need knowledge and calculus. Speaking about interstellar travel the knowledge needed would be huge, and calculus constant, as a navigator would need to store and calculate and store again relative positions of planets and moons inside solar systems, of stars inside constantly moving galaxies, of galaxies inside galaxy clusters... A HUGE database would be needed to store this kind of data, and the calculus for long trips would be amazingly complex. It would take very powerful computers to do this math... Or a prescient mind of course 😅

It's like the use of mentats instead of computational machines.

Well done :)

Really do hope they keep the mentat mantra in the new movie.

@@alanpennie8013 It was not in the books though. But I admit it was cool.

Bravo.

We have just folded laundry from Ix. Many washing machines on Ix.

It's a trilby, actually. Smaller brim. I have a straw summer trilby.

The roaring 20's are back, baby!

@@alexanderlotharson5634 I think he's actually Mos Def hiding out as a guy named Quinn so he can talk about his Dune addiction

It's the voice.

@@8jgonz Quinn needs to spit some fire on the mic with a few verses from Ms. Fat Booty or Mathematics!

you have great self-awareness and insight!! i’m glad you had this experience

^ this. The understanding of power structures and humans both as individuals and populations that is held within these books will change your life forever.

I've been meaning to read it for a long time - and these quotes have finally pushed me to start, thank you

Never attempt to reason with people who know they are right. This is a huge time and effort saver advice. Thanks.

Thank you, for remembering me of this amazing sentences/ideas from the book. 👍🏼

@@TarpeianRock So, just stay off the internet then?

I've read only the first book and it noted me so I haven't read all the others

@@c.f.6655 it noted you? What does that mean?

@@ballsrgrossnugly *bored ....didnt realize the typo

@@c.f.6655 No worries, I just couldn't figure it out!

THIS!

And the bigger picture kind of way Paul Atreides has the biggest villain in the Dune Saga trillions of people died in his reign the whole idea I got from the Dune Saga is Humanity doesn't need another savior it needs somebody to save us from salvation

@@donaldpingleton2382, right? It’s far to easy to disguise gentrification as salvation: We get to do what-ever we want with your resources, because we’ve somehow made your people more civilized.

@@donaldpingleton2382 technically "only" 61 billion died from Paul's Jihad. Although if you count the actions taken by Leto II to ensure humanity's survival as a collective species, then the deaths from the Tyrant's reign indeed numbered in the trillions. As Quinn said, Paul's inability to embrace the Golden Path made Leto's reign far more bloodier than was orginally intended. r/theTyrantdidnothingwrong

All these people who say Paul is not the hero come off as trying desperately to sound smart.

@@TheLincolnrailsplitt you have to read until Children of Dune why Paul is exactly not a hero. If you only read Dune, then it is incomplete since Paul's arc ends at the 3rd novel.

Um... Just curious where did the space opera reference come from? I'm legitimately just curious.

@@rubdulbah3201 dont know exactly but ive always seen it as a play on 'soap operas'

Evolution of Human beings and human culture... over vast periods of time

@SignoftheMagi : _Dune_ is about all those things and much more.

@@rubdulbah3201 maybe people mix up the tone of star wars with dune's. Star wars is considered to be a space opera (which it is)

I read that every time I fly somewhere

Mine too, although in my case it doesn't always work. Last friday I mentioned Miles Teg in a talk, because of the diversity of humankind and how our skills are different, therefore can be valuable depending on our development. I don't know if there was a Dune fan in the room, but everyone seemed truly inspired xD.

Fear is the mindkiller taught me a valuable life lesson long ago. One i carry with me to this day. I simply dont let emotion..especially fear rule me. And it all came from there

You "simply" don't let emotion rule you, but it's not that simple. Not even for the sisters. It requires constant attention. Don't talk like it's easy, I know people who will never learn how to deal with their emotions. Actually the Bene Gesserit did not try to control emotions, they tried to suppress them, which in my opinión can bring more problems than solutions. Controlling emotions in a healthy way can take a lifetime and not without mistakes, by the way. If someone believes that he/she has reached the goal, better be prepared to fail.

ah, 😅 i have a problem with the prayer, meaning, if i knew that there would be a me afterwards, why would i fear? but other than life and limb situations, it does help sometimes, knowing everything, even fear, is transient. about emotions, i have a bias about that too i guess. as far as i can see, other than fight or flight response, the people who say dont be emotional! people are emotional! why cant they be logical like me! are the most emotional of them all, fear being the most prevalent in their range. i, i admit dont have that much life experience, dont think emotions and logic exist as seperate entities, let alone being opposites, or ones existance negating the other. what people deem to call cool hard logic, generally, not allways, is just apathy for the outcomes effects on other people, or other groups. as an example, one calculates that a city has quite a high possibility of flood happening this year, and lets it known to whoever is capable of doing something about saving the citys residents and fights the ignorance that stops protective measures. these are logical acts. and emotional too. not fighting to the point of risking their own life is logical too, but emotional too. not letting anyone know of the danger, selling everything you have and moving somewhere else is logical too, but thats emotional too. people seem to gloss over the emotions involved in this act and thus some call this act purely logical. pure...... ....... i have some emotion dust on my glasses, because i cant see pure logic in this.😶 in nature, light and dark for their most powerful form exists at the surface of the suns, and just outside the event horizon of the black holes. even there some radiation can be found, and everyone knows sun has spots, relatively darker points. and dark is a concept, not a thing, the thing is light. emotion is a concept, not a thing. the thing, when you distill them down, is logic. hormones, education/knowledge, population pressure, health, wealth, other priorities, capability of the person etc... just changes the aim, changes the priorities. so in my eyes, everything is logic, and logic has many forms and faces. even being upset is logical. its needed. though, maybe i am a bit too emotional to see their difference. 🤔😶😣

Wow.

stole the first from my older brother. he found me reading it. chuckled and just asked if i was understanding it. I admit it was a task, but it was rewarding and i have been hooked on scifi since

nice

I'm 25 right now and have just started Dune :)

@@scy3591 underrated comment

... ditto.

I read LOTR in the 8th grade, and then the Dune saga as a senior in high school. Both are fantastic. Sad thing is I haven’t found any other series that could grab my imagination. I would stay up on school nights past midnight reading these books. My niece did the same with Harry Potter.

Hopefully it gets the same due diligence on the big screen as lotr.

@@Sr89hot I'd say give the Eisenhorn trilogy a go. They evoke some incredible imagery and it really explores the concept of crossing the line and how the closer you get to it the harder it is to see until it becomes impossible to turn around.

My personal head Canon has the Dune saga ending with the great Scattering at the end of God Emperor of Dune (best book in the series in my opinion). I love the idea of after millenia of so much brutal oppresion and stagnation, the future of mankind was a mystery, and we as fans can come up with our own ideas. Instead of dumb heretics and chapterhouse.

I have the soundtrack. Epic ✌✌✌

I used the soundtrack - especially the 'Prophecy Theme' in some of my early ttrpg sessions. I somehow managed to freak out one of the player with it in a somewhat spooky scene...

lol

"There is a Harkonnen among you," lol. I watched the SciFi miniseries when it came out and I was 10 years old. Really scared and fascinated me at the same time, but unfortunately I got into the Duneverse when I was already 26, after a dream in which suddenly I remembered every single detail of that night watching the first episode. I know it seems unbeliavable, like ghola memories or something similar xDDDD, but it's true. So you had a toy sandworm, but was it big enough so you could ride it, or did you make your dolls ride it? Honestly I would love to get a baliset, although surely I would never learn how to play it. As a child I remember my uncle kidding as if I were a Fremen because I was skinny, my hair was dark and my eyes so blue. I also practiced martial arts.

my dad LOVED that movie and I HATED it. i still do to this day. i never would have read it but i was in new york and someone left out a box of books on a corner and there was an old paperback. i started reading and couldn't put it down.

Are you still reading it?

@@zannaifacedancer5915 They said they couldn't put it down, so, yes. Yes they are.

The 3 themes of dune are politics, human potential and ecology. Dune is an ecological novel and the transformation of Dune is not a sideshow.

That the book series is called dune and in the end the planet is backwater and then that happens to it is great.

Can you tell me more about that? Curious to hear your story.

Wow, Dune can changes our lives in one way or another.

Congratulations, you understood the book very well indeed!

Interesting as my journey took me in the other direction but then I was born outside of it which makes a lot of difference. Not in it anymore, I must say, but for other reasons.

Sorry for my English, but i can tell you i feel the same way about what happen in my live about Dune. I was a young kid when a see Dune the film of Lynch on the tv. I like the vision of an univers whit a complex system of politique, war, and beautyfull, the space, the idea of an other possibility. At this time just something happen to my self like wow something ! Some years after at ten or eleven when i found that book in an library that was the Emperor of Dune. Damn there is something more so ?! I read the book and i found the others books series. And yhea that change my live ! Realy Dune's series was like my Bible ! To ten- twenty i read many times all of them and that make me a lot of think about the society, philosophie, war, manipulation, sens of live, dream about something more but whitout forget what can be the reality. A lot of things ! Also i'm one for who the Brian Herbert project continuation was a fresh and expension of this journey even if i can say the Father had a better knowledge for the writing, but i enjoy what i found valuable in the extension series likes the New and Old Testament. These books for all there is inside change my live ! After years i like to say something, when i was open a page of Dune it was like a open a windows in my mind to see the univers !

damn it i feel that so hard lol

i feel the same when i waste a can of pepsi

When I see a abandoned bottle of water on a job site I have to set the water free

😂😆

Having a 'Dune mentality' really helped my family during our many droughts (CA). Xeriscaping really saved our landscaping and gardens. Drip systems!!! The neighbors went mad! Called the Water Co. They came and checked our meter, so sorry, they're using less water than you folks are and they have more people and pets. After that they came and asked my folks how we did it and kept things so green. My dad actually said, "They were taught water discilipine from a young age. Don't waste it, save it and use it!", we were dying of laughter upstairs!!! But it was true!

How old are you

That is awesome

you lucky bastard 🤣

Was that on the Kitsap peninsula in Washington state where he was born and raised I live a very short distance from his hometown I've found first editions at used bookstores here I've also found several of his non Dune books last year I read one that's completely out of print call the green mind

Wow. Wonderful.

Best book, pivotal Characters God emperor is the bridge from the old to the new.

My favorite too. The ending hits you like an explosion. But the first is the better story.

Messiah is my favorite I don’t know why people didn’t like it as much. It was such a perfect epilogue to Dune and that ending was so frustrating but perfect at the same time

Same. But it turned my favorite only after reading the following books. Maybe I was a bit young on my first read but after we realize and understand what sacrifices Leto had accepted and for what reasons, the emperor god is in my opinion the most moving and disturbing book of the series.

God-Emperor is the book I found hardest to read. I found it a drag until about chapter 25.. but once you start to see the cogs turn into place it does an about-face and is actually pretty hard to put down.

Its a perfect reread for that !

Hyuk hyuk, yer ooold grampa. Hyuk hyuk..

The entire series is at the top of my list of top 50 books to reread before I die. I read it once every decade. I gets better every time. I hope to reread it at least twice yet. I read the books as they come out after 1980. My son read the entire sequel one after the other. Frank Herbert is like the spice it expands consciousness and makes you feel comfortable with the ever growing unknown that it reveals via expanding knowledge. ZEN

I agree. The reader is the most important part in an audio book. The best books suck, if the reader does not meet my taste, but mediocre books can be very enjoyable if read by someone doing a good job.

👍

Yeah. Call audible now

I agree....

And he's handsome! 🥰

@Ken MacDonald book 5, and I agree with you.

I wasn’t really impressed by any of the books by his son.

@@chrissmith7669 That's because all his son's books are utter trash. They take the characters and the world but make cheap shallow stories out of them.

@@1BeGe Can't agree with that entirely the first sequel is pretty good and clearly was along way into being written by Frank Herbert IMO. There is so much structure that follows on so well this feels like a Frank Herbert book in many places, although it is not perfect. The final book still has some good points but is now drifting away and there is a feeling now that the author is less sure of the ending

@Stannis Baratheon No...he just thinks a hero has to not be specifically set up as an anti-hero by the books, to the admission of the author himself :/

What a load of shit

@@LJW1912 I get it, lol.

I wasn’t too big a fan of god emperor. Granted it was good and definitly and evolution from children of dune and messiah but it didn’t really hook me like the others did. However, it was very cool to see how things changed so much from the time of Muad’Dib

I really enjoyed messiah because I feel like Paul really filled into his role as a leader and I thought it was cool reading about this war he waged across the galaxy

He’s also like Shakespeare in that his portrayal of Jews and Jewish communities is skewed, toxic, regressive, and plays into harmful stereotypes.

Michael Bay is the closest analogue to Shakespeare for our modern era. Think about that.

Ugh. God Emperor was the worst of the original books, imo. I'm a bit of a glutton for punishment when it comes to reading, but that one I really struggled with.

I started my last re-reading of the saga last year with Heretics, because to my taste it is the hardest nut to crack. Finally I even re-re-read Heretics as well. I am not a big fan of the son's prequels, but I know I'll keep on re-reading the father's saga for many years.

I started rereading the series recently. I wasn't looking forward to Messiah honestly, didn't care for it the first time. I'm loving it this time around though. I think I might prefer it to Dune.

mezzyjezze he’s wrong, Paul is a hero, if he wasn’t there’d be no point. He (Paul) acts out of a self-aware, forward-thinking necessity for survival and the realization that unless he acts to completely negate the threat of the Harkonnens and seize the protection of the throne of the empire he and his family-including the many people ruled by them-will be doomed to a harrowing future and likely extinction. Not just for them but for an entire society, as he comes to find out, perhaps the entire human race eventually as his prescience later reveals. The point, rather, is that the choice of giving over the power of self-determinacy to a heroic/messianic figure is not a healthy nor mature one as a society/species. It is something like the child that seeks direction from a trusted parent. Not what they themselves would do about a situation of their own capability. Especially when some choices made out of intentions of safety or security can end up leading to terrible violence or weakness/blindness to unknown threats. The consequences of the upheaval necessary to secure the security and continuity for the formerly oppressed lead to terrible bloodshed and tyranny. Not to mention that every major paradigm shift, including ecological change, comes at a heavy cost, necessary as it may or may not be to accomplish. It’s an eyes-open look at trying to self-examine how society at large and small scale and myth cycles work, judging them not harshly but as pragmatically as possible. All while demonstrating that the journey of a hero doesn’t end after their great triumph, and that the consequences of their defiance of the otherwise likely direction of the universe can be just as catastrophic if followed through.

@@macguyverbond7480 I think part of the problem is that the extinction threat was so large in the books that it made Paul's choice rational, and thus in a sense, heroic. He doesn't just doom society to the oppression needed, but he sacrifices it. To the people during Leto II's reign, yes it is absolutely abhorrent, yet it saved them from total extinction which would have obviously been far, far worse. Really, the big problem is that the last book never got made, and so whether Paul was vindicated (these were necessary choices to prevent total extinction) or whether he was wrong (thus dooming the universe to torment) isn't really explored. The crux is that not all heroes are necessarily considered heroes at the time, but are instead identified later once the dust settles.

deanolium alas cosmic coincidence left us with a semi-open ended question as to Frank Herbert’s punctuation mark on the conclusion to it.

@@macguyverbond7480 Yes, Paul is a hero - but I agree with mezzyjezze on what Dune Messiah was trying to do. It deconstructs and tramples on the popular notion of a hero, showing all the failures and doom of Paul's life, but the point is: That is inevitable if we raise humans to hero status. Paul is a hero, and that means he is not a "hero" as those looking up to him see him. Paul assumed the role of the Mahdi to save his life, yet it was exactly that that eventually led to the Fremen Djihad and the threat of dooming humanity to an existence determined by prescience. Paul was not ready to sacrifice himself at multiple points in the story - that is understandable but does not eliminate the consequences.

I loved 2 because it was still masterful and fascinating and felt like the first book, but the third was a drudgery due to being insufferably repetitious and pretentious, and due to general nastiness (and what it did to previously likable characters) and Leto II being unlikeable ( C insufferable repetition and pretentiousness) . That and Irulan essentially becomes a nonentity.

Thanks for sharing your experience, because after Reading an interview my first impression was bad, I'm surely wrong.

I've felt so strongly about Frank Herbert's masterful world that he built, it actually made me angry to read his son's rice-paper thin sequels that just seemed to ride coattails and totally dishonor the original work. Never felt this personal about another author before.

I'm not a huge fan of the expanded Dune but I'm not a detractor as if Brian Herber were an heretic or something like tthat. I just tend to think about the Duneverse in a Gestalt way. I mean, it Works for me as a whole, even with the decisions that have disappointed me in both sequels Hunters and especially Sandworms. It Works for me like our universe where everything is not worth it or is cleverly designed. Imo it's the only way to not go mad or feel unnecessarely annoyed because of a sci fi book series. A series that I love deeply, otherwise I would not be here using my account, but it's fiction anyway. Actually it's not so hard for me to forgive Brian and Anderson, since they did a great job with my favorite character so I have already receibed my compensation in the sequels and actually enjoyed the prequels.

I once owned the first 4 in hard cover. They were lost to me when my family storage unit lapsed states away. Now I'm afraid to even look at the cost of them in "Good" condition.

Great choice, one of my favorite scenes too.

What a scene! I think of it often. The death of Liet Kynes is another that comes to mind.

@@nutshell_12 At least Shai Hulud took him. Better than being reduced to a husk by the sun. He deserved to continue guiding his people, but he received a good death.

I have seen a video of Frank Herbert himself reading the Dinner Scene. Search in YT and I’m sure you can find it..

I‘m on about my fourth go through the entire series, and I do think „Chapterhouse Dune“ is fascinating. I keep thinking of the Bene Gesserit as Jesuits.

@@qthedancer4711 They are!

I reread it every 4-5 years...and still manage to pull new things out of it. Spectacular.

And each time you read it, ... your life changes, doesn't it, Thomas?

Well, don't know if I'd go that far....but I did think about it when I was at war in the desert. Starship Troopers too.....

Well you have more patience than I have. Once is enought🔑

awesome that you are also a fan of Donaldson's Gap series... I find so few people that even know it exists.

@@Fraterchaoraterchaos I'd actually read Donaldson's Thomas Covenant book 1 and 2 before I read Dune. But when the Gap started to come out I was amazed at how different it was from his earlier stuff. Was hooked, and still am. I find it exemplary writing, and it being based on Norse myth was just excellent stuff. Anyone I have met, and meet, when talking about favourite books, and such like, Dune is said, but then I say "oh, and you need to read the Gap cycle". I'll never stop saying that!! Glad you've read it as well and appreciate it for the literary masterpieces they are. Can't believe how long I was waiting for This Day all Gods Die to come out. What characters!!

@@GarethMcKenzieHumphries Indeed... in some ways I might even say the Gap series is better than Dune. Or at the very least, equal to it.

I just became one of those people who even know that The gap cycle exist, thank you both. I will look for it, always willing to accept Dune fans recommendations, although I'm not a native English speaker. Heretics will always be my favorite in the Dune series, with Sheeana exceeding my expectations and piercing shamelessly through a supposedly armored heart every time she appears.

Yeah that Duncan's moral bullshit was absolutely out of place. It can be a useful lesson for fanatics. Even a super Smart and open minded guy can be so mean and behave unfairly with his own family.

Should have told them he was a fremen from the church of Mua'Dib

Early on during the Iraq insurgency the book we most commonly found in the hands of the insurgents was of course the Koran, but the second most common was Dune.

@@fmatson We most commonly found porn mags on the Haj.

​@@themischeifguide Were they the same vintage as their arms?

@@cycadaacolyte6349 Just as hairy.

For Real~!

Destination Void and the Pandora series! 😍 The White Plague! 😍

Whipping Star!

Your comment has made me purchase some of Frank Herbert’s other works!

The Godmakers, The Destination:Void trilogy, and his non-sci-fi, like Dreamcatcher. You can always tell if he's written something. Whipping Star even had at least one sequel. I haven't read all of the Herbert books on my shelf - I found so many at a discount book store for so cheap I bought them completely out.

You said it. Nothing could be truer.

Too many friggin posers out there. I read this incredible tale 30+ years ago and still speak in awe of it.

my dad is a huge fan of Herbert and Asimov, he made me read those books when i was 7-8 and talk about the concept in those; the God-Emperor and his way of giving humanity a Lesson in decadence was a very very interesting conversation to be had.

Very true! I was a aware of the movie from the 80s and recently purchased the first book at books a million only because I heard they are making a reboot lol! But it is an excellent read thus far you really need water when reading it

Honestly if it gains enough traction to get through all the books i reckon it’s worth it to get a quality adaptation of god emperor. Even heretics and chapter house would be incredible to see but I think Hollywood may dump it after the original trilogy.

You could make a strong argument for that! Duncan keeps coming back and doing heroic things...

Not always heroic things, but it's okay.

I mean. He was the original “OBrien Suffers” subject. 😆

Indeed.

Leto says it himself. Duncan exemplifies what it means to be human.

Really? I will need to research this, luckily I love anime also!

@@zenwolf1046 I suggest watching it before you research. For the web is dark and full of spoilers.

I meant code Geass

Yeah, but please without d & D working on it. That's why I'm looking forward to The sisterhood TV show more than the movie.

Can you please recommend me some other deep time sagas? My post from 5 minutes ago in these comments explain my 'problem' 😁. Started with Foundation this morning 👍.

I know what you mean. There are a great many Sci-Fi series I wish I'd read or listened (audiobook) to sooner, and still a great many that I have still to read/listen to . I'm currently listening to the 2nd book of Larry Niven's Ringworld series (Ringworld Engineers), available here on YT and am really enjoying it/them! I'd highly recommend Ringworld. The books/audiobooks of Dune are all enjoyable, if at times a little tasking; well at least in comparison to Ringworld, which has a lighter, quicker pace, easier to take in though not sacrificing anything in doing so! Anyway, just a recommendation for a fellow Dune/Sci-Fi fan! :D

TheEyez187 thank you! I really need more sci-fi recs. I’m mostly a fantasy reader. Just finished Gardens if the Moon and looooved it. Added Ringworld to TBR!

The only bad thing about the Dune series is that its original author (nothing against his sons) passed before he could fully realize his dream and finish the story. The sons have done a good job, much like Christopher Tolkien continuing his fathers opus, but in both cases the visions would have been completed best by their fathers. Herbert and Tolkien would definitely be my Desert Island authors. Primogenitor giants in their respective genres.

Pagliacci I definitely plan on reading them! I’m in the middle of like 10 series right now so I won’t get to them soon, but eventually haha

TheEyez187 I’ve read some of the books Christopher wrote/put together and I appreciate that he cared enough to do that, same with Brian. I will read the rest of them at some point but I just finished Gardens of the Moon and loved it so I think I’m going to binge Malazan and finish Frank Herbert’s Dune books first. I completely agree with those choices of desert island authors 👌🏻👌🏻

You're all in, fully immersed into cold water and diving like crazy. (I'm not a Fremen). Good point about Heretics but it's still my favorite in spite of that shocking crahs, or maybe thanks to it.

That is not a perspective I had heard or considered before. Interesting. Thanks

@@avisian8063 Some want an easy life, but for others to pay for it, I think that is why we have classes, so that the few, have a better lifestyle, then most people, and at their expense as well.

Dave da Silva just I

I been here since sometime around the Children of Dune release, I think, I binged them all and waited for the next one. Love these books and this series. Fingers crossed for Denis! He hasn't let us down yet, and I thought Blade Runner was going to be some big shoes to fill! I have a feeling 2020 is going to be good!

That would have been epic.

@@erikbolinger7269 Right? I'll never get over it.

It would not have been good. He literally said he wanted to "rape" dune. The end of the movie was to be the planet gaining consciousness and flying off into the universe.

@@beaug4306 I wouldn't mind. It's all about "how" not "what". "Congress" had very little to do with the original story and yet it was one of the best movies of the decade.

@@bialynia There's a good documentary about him wanting to make it called Jodorowsky's Dune, but based on what all they showed and what was said, it wouldn't have been good--despite all of the awesome people attached to it. It might have been a good Jodorowsky film, but it wouldn't have been Dune--It would have been an art film with a veneer of Dune. Coincidentally, that's almost what you could call Lynch's version.

It was my least fav, but after listening the audiobook I appreciate it so much more.

@Feanor Messiah is my favorite because it revolved around Paul, Alia and Duncan and really got into their psychology as prescient royals. The court politics also helped a lot. And it was refreshing to see, someone who was supposed to be a hero savior figure turn into a despotic tyrant.

Chapterhouse is a great novel, It would be my favorite if Frank Herbert had been kind enough to keep Dama and Odrade alive. Really missed them in the sequels. And yeah after all we have enjoyed, (and suffered) during the saga I tend to think of Dune more like a prequel too. It's quite comforting to know that I'm not an heretic or a profaner, or at least I'm not the only one.

PS: bi the way if someone had asked me I would never have admitted, but that's just the reason why I could not appreciate Dune Messiah after my first Reading. It reminded me of some of my own grief experiences. I didn't need such a violent and intrusive memory.

I don't know if it was exactly refreshing, but at least it was plausible..

Shocking to me how many overlook the allegory here. I mean it's like a ton of bricks.

No wonder the US is the worlds dominant superpower.

wow! i got a signed photo of Susan Sarandon from CoD production, as a price from czech cable tv in promo :D picks dust but will never leave my ownership.