_"There was no AI used in the making of this video"_ sounds like someone's afraid that the Butlerian Jihad police was going to come after them

Canonically a Heighliner is basically engines and docking clamps. If you ever read the novel Permanence by Karl Schroeder you'll get an idea of space travel in dune, with the heighliners taking long circituous routes and depositing ships carrying goods and people, or picking them up. Thats also a reason why in the 2021 adaptation they make mention of the cost for the imperial entourage, which would be staggeringly expensive to all but the most wealthy houses, Emperor notwithstanding. Also I don't know if they'll explain it in part 2, but the Harkonnen assault on arrakis was so mind bogglingly expensive it took them from one of the wealthiest houses to one of the poorest in the span of 1 trip.

It’s cool to know that all the worlds in the Dune future are still in our stellar neighborhood. So when they brag about traveling vast distances, it’s really not that far on a galactic scale. It also gives perspective on what a big deal the Great Scattering was.

Haha, nice touch: "There was no AI used in the making of this video"

I love how small the Dune Imperium is compared to other sci-fi empires, makes it feel that much more real. It's not a galaxy spanning empire, it doesn't even breach the Gould Belt. It's a small blip on a galactic map.

As I understand it 'folding Space' in Dune relies on the Holtzman Engines to move the actual spacecraft inside an area of 'space' that is not part of the Universe involving Electromagnetism. the background space, if you like. this area is currently posited as why distant stars can move faster than light relative to us. If you sue this 'space' you can move much faster than light. the DANGER is that you an your ship will hit something at that speed and just die/vanish/be destroyed. The spice allows the Navigators to see into the future enough that they can see the danger long before it arrives and plot a course that thus avoids all dangers in the journey. It is all in the books. Hope this helps. By the way, we are currently investigating the ways this might be achieved in the present day! Great video, by the way. 👍

The way I think about is, "folding space" is more like tunnelling through space. For example, when the Atreides moved from Caladan to Arrakis, the Guild sent a Heighliner to Caladan to pick them up. - So now the Heighliner is in only one place - Caladan. - They pack up, strap in and the Heighliner "departs" from Caladan. - It's not instantaneous and the travel takes time while the Guild Navigators "fold" space around them and find a route to Arrakis - essentially tunneling through space faster than light from one point to the next. - Once the folding of space is done, the heighliner appears out of folded space into real space outside of Arrakis - much like a burrower emerging from a tunnel. It could explain why you can see the origin point on the other side of the Heighliner in Villeneuve's movie - The Heighliner basically establishes a tunnel through spacetime. But I don't think the travel would be instantaneous since you would need to be on the heighliner as it burrowed through spacetime. You can just see the origin point but you would not be able to go back unless the Heighliner folds space the other way too. I like this idea because poetically, it makes the Heighliners work essentially like Sand Worms, burrowing through the sands of Spacetime.

The folding through the ship itself TOTALLY breaks canon, but is an amazing touch in terms of artistic licence and adaptation. Even in the books they usually side step anytime spent in travel between worlds because it's boring. But it is implied that travel between worlds takes time. When Paul and Leto talk about leaving for Arrakis in the first few chapters of the book Paul says he'd like to get a look at one of the navigators and Leto cautions him to do nothing that would risk their use of the guild and that he wouldn't even have a chance to get off their ship by saying something to effect of "There could be a Harkonnen ship right beside us in the Guild's hold and we'd never know it or do anything about it" which implies you are along for the ride and the directness of the route varies based on how much you're willing to pay for an express route or milk run ticket. Leto also forces the Guild ship to remain in orbit longer then was scheduled by withholding part of their cargo as a way to gain face over the smugglers and spite the Guild by making them late for a delivery on their next stop. I was always curious though if Guild travel was hours, days, weeks, etc long between places like Arrakis and the other worlds because if you take into account at the end of Dune Paul is around 18 or 19 years old and by the start of Dune Messiah Paul is now around 31 or 33 years old and has already put down most of the rebellion with the most violent and war heavy days of the Jihad seeming to be years behind them. This would likely mean either the wars on each planet where long (which is likely) or that he spent the better part of 13 years traveling the empire to snatch and grab and move on (which could also be possible but less likely)

2:12 Mass Effect "uncharted worlds" background music, how satisfying😌. Ah now I feel very nostalgic!

From a pedantic standpoint, the 2021 take on the heighliner seems to take inspiration from how theoretic wormholes "fold" space by literally bending the dimensions of spacetime making a path from A to B significantly shorter.

Wow only 500 out of the milky way's ~150,000 lightyears. I didnt realize the Known Universe in Dune was so small

_"Man may not be replaced"_ at 6:26 is a strange way of spelling the much more commonly repeated maxim _"Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a human mind"_ of the Orange Catholic Bible.

Folding Space: Literally that. If Space and Time are the same thing, visualize space as a giant piece of paper that you can fold to create a shorter path. Paul's abilities, and that of the navigators, is to see through time and know where the folds are safe to use.

Haha, I love the Mass Effect map music. Excellent choice.

Tio is indeed Spanish for uncle and if Tio Holtzman is of Asian descent he is not necessarily Chinese since Tio (or Tiyo) is also a Filipino word for uncle (because the Philippines is a Spanish colony in the 1500s-1800s so Tio Holtzman may be of Filipino descent.

The disclaimer that AI was not used in the making of this film is really funny given the lore of Dune. I'm certain that was intentional

19:30 - my head canon for FTL travel in the 2021 film: 1) a heighliner ship arrives at the starting point of your journey; 2) the guild navigator starts folding spacetime using the heighliner; 3) your tiny ship now can start entering the fold in spacetime; 4) the guild navigator finishes folding; 5) heighliner arrives at the destination through the fold but the fold is kind of "inside of it"; 6) the guild navigator starts to unfold the spacetime; 7) your ship can start exiting the fold in spacetime.

I started reading again because of your video "The Real Stars and Scale of Sci-fi", A Fire Upon the Deep is an amazing book.

Regarding the pronunciation of Richese, I vaguely remember in Lynch's Dune from 1984, the scene where the Guild Navigator had an audience with the Emperor it pronounced it as "Ree-chess".

That Mass Effect galaxy map tune brings up such pleasant memories for me. I love that universe as well.

Another outstanding video -- and timely, too! 😉 You've touched on a lot of my favorite book series, and added some fun context by showing distances and location. Looking forward to what you tackle next. As far as FTL travel in the Dune series, I think its description morphed as Herbert wrote more novels. But using one of the later books, it's definitely not instantaneous. There are some travel scenes where Bene Gesserit strategy meetings are held while en route to other planets. Individual ships are docked within the Heighliner, which then travels FTL, and offloads the ships at its destination. Seems like that's how the Atreides entourage traveled to Arrakis, too. But Herbert usually focused more on the characters than the technology, leaving readers to theorize on specifics...

This elegant work this channel exhibits is with one word - amazing. I have fallen in love with this video about Dune, so informative, so creative and so much lore gathered in one place, just one-of-a-kind experience.

Though they don't specify in Dune 2021, I think it is strongly implied that the "stargate ship" suddenly appear, seeing how they were not even alerted that an invasion was under way till the last second. This is just speculation on my part however. But like you said, otherwise it would make the spacing guild unnecessary. Awesome video. I like your work.

Now this is the lore I want! Do the UNSC control space from Halo next!

Such great content, good humor and I’m loving your channel. I can’t wait to see what you release in the future.

So glad your channel found me!! Awesome content.

Wow what an excellent, In depth and creative video on the dune story, great efforts and beautifully made, thnx mate

Absolutely epic. The research, explanation, and visuals are top-notch. I am subscribing!

I love you man, finally show me perspective

When the Mass effect music started playing, i had actual shivers... I really like the nerdy jokes in this video.

Amazing production overall, thank you so much for making this video. Please make more astronomy dune content!

absolutely loved that you used the mass effect galaxy map music.

iIrc during the journey on an intergalactic highliner. The passengers were prohibited to leave their ships because at times enemies were transported within the very same highliner, meaning that they did spent some time inside the highliner

These videos are amazing! They provide the true sense and distances of space while also showcasing simplicity! These videos have also really helped out in my worldbuilding projects. These videos are once again amazing, keep it up! :)

This is the video I was looking for. I got many answers I was looking for. Thanks man. Well explained.

I think that you have greatly misunderstood the heighliners as they appear in Dune 2021. I don't think they just appear or create a portal - we just see them while they are in orbit, not while they are moving. The tube shape might help with the bending of space, but I think the shuttles and ships that we see coming down from the heighliners are literally docked inside of that massive tube ship somewhere. But the heighliner itself is traveling the massive gulfs between the stars, just like Frank Herbert wrote in the original novels.

Fantastic job with the visuals

The Mass Effect ambient music was a nice touch. Still gives me nostalgic feeling

Really incredible video. Great work!

thank you so much for this, I knew that arrakis is in the canopus system but I didn't know about all the other stuff, I love it when a sci-fi setting actually takes place in "our" universe and is not just completely made up (tho that can be fun too)

love the Mass Effect theme in the background. perfect for this.

You make good use of Mass Effects unquestionably most memorable tune - Heleus, New Worlds or ME1s Uncharted Worlds. Proud of you ^-^

May I suggest doing a video like this for BattleTech/MechWarrior? Sure the official maps are all 2D, but any real stars used would inherently have a 3D aspect to add to them. The hard part is that BattleTech maps tend to lable stars with the names of the inhabited planet that orbits it, rather than the name of the star...

Awesome video! Fun and informative!

You need more subscribers, you deserve more, thank you for making these types of videos

As Star Wars and Star Trek fan I find your video outsdtanding and I'm hooked on Dune lore which I recently knew about

veery interesting and educative video. Thank you! 😃

I'm reading the book right now so this was nice to see. Thanks.

This video is so good can’t believe the algo is letting her down! Thanks for prompting us to come watch.

(5:48) As far as I can tell Richese is pronounced [rɪkʰeːsɛ] (a trilled r, an aspirated k (as in ‘character’), and a sharp s (as in ‘sink’)). But Frank Herbert may have made up his own pronunciation. Loved the video! I will definitely watch it a few more times before Part 2 comes out in the hope of remembering at least some of it^^ The switch to a dark background is definitely a big improvement! The map looks amazing, and you can really see the stars shine now. Looking forward to what comes next!

Am gonna go watch Dune pt 2 again today or tomorrow maybe First few times watching part 1 I missed that amazing shot thru the Heighliner, where you see the other planet thru it. I think those ships are my favourite thing of the lore so far. Also fantastic video mate. Gives me more context to go watch it again in cinema. First watch was also an incredible experience

Love the mass effect music playing in the background!

i personally take the space folding as quite literally. the ship folding space so that rather than traveling the long distance they essentially make their current location and the location they want to go to touch. the reason you then need either computers or prescient navigators is so your ship doesn't explode from manifesting inside of an asteroid, or gets caught in a star or the deepest blackness of space.

Nicely done. This is heavy information and easter eggs drilled down into pure nerd nectar.

8:20 Maybe he is a Filipino, Spanish and Asian at the same time 😂. Tiyo also mean "uncle" in the Philippines.

I would love to see this done for Warhammer 40k im not sure how many systems have real counterparts but ir would be cool

I’m so glad people are making videos based on the Dune Encyclopedia over the extended universe. It’s just so much better and fits the themes and ideas of the original novels so much better.

I mentioned this in a thread: I liked that it was a visual language way of showing that the heighliner bridged the gulf of space, but didn't explain if it actually worked any differently. I did have two interpretations on this: either it is indeed just making a wormhole (heh) between two locations, but it itself can also jump around, OR, my own head canon: it still works the way it is described in canon, and what you're seeing is sort of an optical illusion, where the Holtzman effect somehow causes an afterimage of its previous location to remain within the physical boundaries of the heighliner. But, because you're able to see through the ship, say you went towards the center instead of out one end, the image would then shift and be behind you once you passed the midpoint, and perhaps show what its previous location looked like from the opposite end of the ship. If the Holtzman effect plays with how particles repel but the folded space it passes through also doesn't interact with electromagnetism the same way it does unfolded... Maybe it does something funky to the electromagnetic spectrum of light. I mean, both superfluidic helium and black holes exhibit the holographic effect when modeled in a supercomputer, so who knows what such an effect might have on light waves/particles, and what it would actually look like to us.

Wow, love your work, please do more story break downs.

Love the 5th Element clip 👌. Great video

The movie heighliner scene makes sense if it is running based on the Alcubierre Drive based on an actual solution of Einstein's field equations. You basically fold space by contracting space in front and expanding it behind, allowing for FTL travel.

"there's no A.I used in the making of this video" Nice touch ;)

I’m loving the mass effect music in the background

loved the video! can you do more dune related lore? i feel like there's so much stuff to get into for people who only watched the movies

Very informative. I am loving the 3D star maps. Could you tell us a little bit about how those are made, i.e. software, etc.

Damn never expected a new video now. I'm happy

This was really great. I knew the distances between each system would be far but I didn't think it was quite on this scale, and when you throw in all the unknown systems from expansion that occurred during the Scattering and anytime a house went Renegade that's a crazy reach into the Galaxy Frank Herbert gave us

Honestly huge respect for the effort it must have took to research, 3D model and edit this video :)

Great video. Thanks friend. 👍🏽👌🏽

You made two mistakes. (1st.) I can't remember the book, I think it's 'The Battle of Corrin' that the Fermen (Free Men) ended up on Arakis by accident as a group of them stole a ship and did a blind jump and ended up crashing on Arakis. (2nd) As of the first novel Earth no longer exists as it was destroyed by nuclear bombardment right before 'The Butlerian Jihad'.

Always love these they are great. Astronomy (and my mum) got me interested science and while I hold a degree in physics it’s not my specialty but stars always hold wonder to me. One of my dreams is to stand on an other world, feel the pull of the alien gravity, feel the breeze on my face and breathe in the air. I know it will never happen but still, that’s how much space and stars fascinate me.

I just wanted to say that I loved the 3D map you used in your video. Nicely done! 👏 My quibble is when you said that the Butlerian Jihad was a war against AI. That’s not quite correct. Here’s what Frank Herbert said in Dune: “Once men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free. But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them.” It was a war between humans that resulted in the end of thinking machines.

@OverviewEffects What software are you using to make your star maps?

Extrapolation from the Dune novels by Frank Herbert reveals that foldspace travel is not the foldspace travel we know from modern theory, it is essentially just an instantaneous form of warp travel, a warp bubble is formed around the Heighliner and the fabric of space time is moved around the vessel at near instantaneous speeds. This makes sense as the concept of modern foldspace travel did not exist when the books were originally written, the most popular theory around was the Alcubierre Theory in which time and space is bent to allow a ship to move without moving. The other part that adds credence to this is the need for Navigators, also known as Steersmen, to plot a course, such plotting of courses would not be necessary for instantaneous foldspace travel, it'd be a very simple mathematical equation which many people can learn quite easily, navigators need to see all obstacles in their path, suns, moons, comets and the rest to safely plot a course to the destination, in the early days of the Guild travel via foldspace was still an uncertain and dangerous way to travel, it took a long time to train enough Navigators to build their monopoly on space travel, until that time mathematical solving systems were used to navigate (not computers or thinking machines, just simple arithmetic devices). The 2024 movie actually has the least accurate depiction of Foldspace travel as ships docked in a heighliner, they didn't just fly in one side and out the other.

I like your use of the Mass Effect music 😊

Very nice video, i recognized the Mass Effect music, just perfect, and is it possible to give us the link of this map? like an interactive map so i could explore, its just very good and its better to visualize the dune lore

Folding space was described in "Event Horizon." That is, the ship 'folds' space like a piece of paper. The origin point and destination point essentially merge for a moment, the ship transfers from Point A to Point B, then the space 'unfolds'. The ship didn't "move" in the traditional sense but it now orbits Point B. The 'folding process' takes tremendous energy and extremely difficult and complicated mathematical calculations. This complexity, absent computers, is how the Guild continues to exist.

I would argue that it's not that the known dune universe it small, but that all the big players were from areas pre-space folding, so naturally their homeworlds would all be in the neighbourhood.

"There was no AI in the making of this video" = Yup- that's worth a subscription! Thanks for a great video.

I'm living for these videos. Im so happy to see this channel active!! More!

Good video, very informative.

18:45 I think it could work like some sort of 4D Möbius strip-- Something that to outside 3D viewers like us might seem like a donut/hole shaped on either end, but really stretches into a different time with folding space inside itself allows for instantaneous travel through the stars.

18:45 My guess would be that there's 2 ships, the guild navigators piloting 1 to each planet, and they're connected internally via wormhole or whatever

"There was no AI used in the making of this video." Respect, subbed. Also, Bela Tegeuse sounds suspiciously similar to the star "Betelgeuse." I wonder if Frank originally intended it to be Betelgeuse but the pronunciation had become corrupted over 20,000 years.

Wonderful video!

This is such a cool depiction. Do you mind me asking for tips on how you made it? Im working on my own writing project and really dig the style

Could be the portal option, but then even when you go through the portal, whatever ship you're on needs a navigator to safely even go through the portal (like stargate except instead of you just automatically going through the wormhole sequence that plays in the movie version of stargate you have to find your way and not hit stars on your journey)

Another incredible video!

what a great segue into the ad!

Lately I've come to the conclusion that FTL travel in Dune works like this: You have the FTL engine (the Holtzman Engine) that folds space (wormhole, actual FTL movement, IDK), but that folding is not very accurate., so you get the 1 in 10 ships lost while travelling. Enter the Guild Navigators, who thanks to their specialized training in "pure mathematics" (as stated by Gaius Helen Mohiam at the beginning of the first book) and their mental enhancement with spice are capable of performing the *very* complicated calculations (without A.I. assistance) required for an accurate space folding, in essence "seeing the future" thru astrodinamycal mathematics, like an overclocked NASA supercomputer.

I like the idea of a Highliner appearing simultaneously in two locations and a shared "space" appearing in its core during it transition from one system to the next. The Highliner then disapears from the origin system and is only in the destination, it then begins a transition to its next stop, like a space train.

Great video. I liked the animation (although I am not opposed to A.I.) and well directed/explained. Thumbs up. 👍🏻

Nice video, sir!! You gained a sub.

Hard to say which presentation of is the best. I did not read the books but I think the idea of folding space in dune can't be separated from the concept of wormholes anymore as it has been explained with folding a paper so often... If it's more travel then teleport it may has been shown best in star wars

Amazing work! it show how tiny piece of Milky Way was covered in Dune...

Keep it up bro good stuff

As far as the heighligners traveling and their shape, iirc (from over 10 years ago lol) they were basically shaped like big toilet paper tubes to maximize their cargo volume, and the engine that created the holtzman effect was able to extend the area it could transport to whatever fit inside the ship. Whether it was from individual ships' systems or the heighligners themselves, there was no mention of feeling acceleration that I can remember. There was just a phase into the fold-space, the path(s) the navigator took, and a phase back into real space. If I had to guess I would say it would most likely be changing of the frequency of the space the holtzman engine could affect and somehow equalizing it with the destination so that they essentially became the same space and the ship "slid" from one space to the next. Actually, that would be similar to why a shield and a laser would create an atomic detonation, in only one of them, as each are generated from the same effect and only one wins the coin flip for staying coherent in space, now that I think about it.

Really appreciate the Mass Effect Music

@5:09 that eve online character portrait popping up for harkonnen ....was that the mitanni ? either way, loved it. Brings back some nastalgia, to hell with goon swarm lol.

Well done. Also, scrolling through the planets reminds me of doing the same thing playing Mass Effect 2 back in the day