Would you please share the link for the corresponding one that fits into Breville due tamp, size 51mm? I found a curved one for La Pavoni which I think will not fit into the due tamp!

The Breville Duo Temp is also 54mm

@@LifestyleLab_ I wanted to upgrade, but don’t have a problem with the standard for 5 years with mine. Also the negative reviews scare me.

The negative reviews I've seen are pointing out quite normal machining marks and calling them defects

Hi, i have some question. Since You linked to a basket advertised as 18-22g why were You testing dose close to 17g? Was yours different size than one that is linked or is the 18-22g claim an overkill?

Unfortunately the direct capture wasn’t working that day, so I had to do the ‘ol cellphone to the eyepiece trick. Glad they did a good job demonstrating the differences!

Such as what kind of difference? I have an older pre-2013, Infuser that doesn't have the temp adjustments.

Yes! Seeing that high precision machining up close is what sealed the deal with my buy-in. I'm glad I was able to use a Canadian affiliate link for once. We just got our first snow storm today, it's espresso season!

The other problem is the depth of it. I usually dose 19 grams, this one is rated from 18-22 grams, but most likely you need to dose 20 -22. When doing 19 grams no matter what I did the puck would always be soggy.

Be careful, it's a slippery slope ;)

I absolutely hate that tapered side basket they give you with the breville. It's made for 18 grams, but I usually dose 15 myself. Any more, it's hard to tamp, and coffee gets everywhere. I just got my machine about 2 weeks ago. This basket is definitely something im going to order.

Did you need to remove the black plastic bit from below the stock basket? If so, how do you do that?

Super curious too, gonna try a blind taste test with my roommate and I

@@JesusSerranoFireandIcedid you end up doing it? What were the results if you did?

Which one is the 18-22g basket? Im looking to buy the 24mm tall one.

@@dennisrkb what size dose are you looking for?

@@Stpetersburginjurylawyersmp ~17g

@@dennisrkb 54mm Breville basket

Interesting! Makes some sense that Breville would use their tooling longer than a precision basket manufacture with higher QC standards

I am using 22g with a Vario-886 set at 5R and still not filling the basket. I'm getting on average 57g output in 25-35s and pressure gage registering just below max grey area with a dark roast coffee on a Breville Infuser. Looks like the basket could take 24g. But after pulling shot the puck expands to fill basket. Should also mention have the IMS screen too and using NPF aka bottomless portafilter.

I’m having the same thing here - water existing above the ground even after the extraction.

I recently purchased the IMS filter & shower screen and found the same result, the shot ran a lot faster so I stopped the grind down two steps but found the puck much more watery after extraction compared to the stock filter. The espresso itself also tasted thin/weak with less overall texture. I just changed back to the stock filter but left the shower screen on and to my taste the shot is much more enjoyable. The puck is also much drier from the stock filter.

18-22g or 14-18g

@@noel4854 18-22g

It's wet because there a lot of head room between the puck and the shower screen/group. Up the dose and it should fix both issue of wet pick and a watery mouth feel, you may have to grind a little coarser because you up the dose.

Went back and forth between the stock and IMS. Today, I’m using the IMS but with a naked portafilter and a puck screen. Results are a lot better, with more consistency and little to no channeling.

UPDATE TO THE EDIT: The IMS precision filter basket fits the new Crema 54mm bottomless portafilter perfectly!! I’m a happy camper!

Make sure you’ve got a good grinder. Keep the dose. Drop the grind setting. It’ll neaten things up again.

Knock grind size first before you start messing with dose, ratios/yield, brew temp, tmap pressure etc

Don't believe "burn in" would be a thing, but like any basket it does need to be properly pre-heated which is what you did by putting it in boiling water.

14-18g would be a direct replacement of the stock basket

You can get the 14-18g version and it will fit perfectly in your stock portafilter

Whatever tastes right :)

Increase your brew ratio

I'm sure the shower screen would be better than the stock one in some ways, but I've never installed a new shower screen that I've been able to taste the difference from... so it would really be more a piece of mind thing that you have the best component possible in there. Taste-wise, I'm not sold

@@LifestyleLab_ agreed probably placebo effect like you mentioned. Will save my money until you make me spend it on some other tool in your next video probably 😂

I use Crema Products NPF and OEM double portafilter but I removed the black plastic from OEM portafilter. I also have IMS shower screen. I also use the Alsainte distribution / tamper tool as well as 3 prong WDT. I know it's not recommended but I tap side of portafilter after initial tamp then tamp again. I find it causes grinds to fill in edges of basket to help prevent edge channeling. It works for me so I don't care about recommendation to not tap sides of portafilter with filled basket.

@@ggivensjr do what works for you, at the end of the day they were just suggestions. Even if they're "rules" they're meant to be broken 😀👍

It is odd, but this appears to be the case across the board, even with higher end brands like Rocket. 3rd party manufacturers have stepped in to create high quality basket options

I disagree on your statement regarding OEM usually having higher quality than 3rd party. It might be the case if its a component that is usually exclusive to the OEM but not something that is more generic like the filter basket. If its something more generic like the filter basket in this case, the OEM will be able to cut cost on the item in turn increasing their profit margin. Especially if the OEM thinks that the user will likely change that component if they want to. While a 3rd party are required to proceed with either a cheap replacement or an expensive but better component which IMS/VST/etc precision baskets are opting to do. In this case, the 3rd party will likely have higher quality so that they can steal the customer base from the OEM.

can I just ask which one you decided to go to? also stuck in this decision

@@hanscruz3082 I have to admit I haven’t bought it yet but all my research told me the 16-20g should be a good middle ground that provides enough room to go up or down from 18g and even add a puck screen in the future if I wanted to. So that will likely be what I’ll go for. The 14-18g should also be fine if you never plan on dosing more than 18g and don’t want a puck screen. Let me know what you end up going with!

@@xtremesniper just got the 20g basket thanks to your advice! Tried pulling a couple of shots and oh boy I have to start from scratch with my settings. The settings and recipe for my stock basket is no good for the ims basket, flow is too fast for this basket, got a lot of channeling and got a soupy puck. Did try uping the dose with same grind settings and did got a lot of better but still haven’t got it dialed in correctly. I need more time to get used to this new setup. Haven’t tried with the puck screen though, but I did ordered 1 already. Btw, I also got the ims shower screen 😅

In the Amazon listing, you'll see that the dose changes depending on the roast level. Each basket size is meant for 3 different min max dosage based on light, medium and dark roast

You should use the correct dose for the basket size, otherwise you will have too much headroom and a very soggy puck. Regardless of your dose, your brew ratio for a specific coffee / recipe will remain relatively similar

@@LifestyleLab_ Thanks! and that is actually what happened, pucks were soupy. The size H28 says the dosing range is "Double Espresso 18-22 grams, wide 62.5mm, height 28mm" Anyway I guess, I'll have to try a higher dose, maybe around 20g (middle of the recommended range) I appreciate your videos helps a lot for home espresso making. Straight to the point and not making the videos longer than it should.

If you hit it properly on the knock bar yes :)

Bambino plus here too.Just upgraded to a niche zero and ims basket from the krups mx550 and a stock basket. The improvement in shot quality from that alone was staggering.

It would help get more even extractions over the stock basket, yes

I did yes, works well :) just make sure you get the 58mm version obviously

Go with the 16-18g version to be safe if using the stock portafilter

I'd pick blue every time

@@LifestyleLab_ both colours fingerprint proof you’d say? :)

The blue is, I haven't had hands on with the black, but I imagine it might be more susceptible to fingerprints because its so dark

@@LifestyleLab_ this is helpful thank you !

I have an IMS shower screen for my Appartamento, and I'm sure the IMS shower screen would be better than the stock Breville one in some ways. However, I've never installed a new shower screen that I've been able to taste the difference from... so it would really be more a piece of mind thing that you have the best component possible in there. Taste-wise, I'm not sold

Yes, the same advantages still apply!

@@LifestyleLab_ Any preferences on what type of paper filter to use ? Chemex vs V60? Bleached (white) vs non-bleached (brown)? Scott rao was recommending chemex filters, considering switching.

A good quality Chemex is probably the best bet :)

Fire my 54 basket, I make them using EK Success 54-30151 Tools Circle Punch, 2-Inch

Yes! I always had one in my Oracle

It’s a game changer. Highly recommend it. The difference in the water distribution across the puck is really noticeable.

@@Nvlarr specifically I have the Barista Express, and you think the IMS shower screen is definitely a step up from the stock? Or do you mean the filter basket?

@@CaboricanMan I have the same machine. I got my 14-18g ims basket off Amazon. It changed the game for me. Was able to grind finer. I bought a niche zero and it transformed the game. Then I got the IMS shower head and swapped that in as well removing the stock one. Completely changed the game. Equal water distribution (or more so than before). Definitely get a better grinder if you can. The separate sage one is good. Or for the barista express which I have you can take the grinder out and reduce the settings so it goes finer. Try that first. Also. A tip. When using the barista express I brew it by timing between 25-35 seconds and get around 9 bars consistently by holding down the perfusion button for the whole time then double tapping it quickly to stop the flow at about 2grams away from my desired output liquid level. Honestly COMPLETELY transforms the taste. If you let the machine do the espresso itself. The flow and the pressure is far too fast for the former and for the latter produces like 12 bars of pressure. Genuinely give this as go. I’ve used Lamarzocco £25k machines loads but I can by removing all the variables (good tamper, ims basket and shower head and niche zero) get pretty similar if not better coffee on my sage barista express. Because I’ve “completed it mate” haha

@@Nvlarr Awesome man thanks!!! I will try holding pre infusion when I get home today. I have a new bag to dial in today anyways. Also gonna grab the IMS stuff to "complete" the machine lol.

@@CaboricanMan awesome mate. It means you can go fine enough and hold it on pre infusion. Comes out at 9 bar and it’s insanely good. Honestly.

I would venture to guess it would be more comparable to the stock Breville basket than the IMS.

Certain coffees are more dense than others, so the same dose will take up less space in the basket. Simply increase your dose to properly fill the basket you are using, and adjust your brew ratio accordingly :)

@@LifestyleLab_ aah if thats the solution thanks haha. Gonna try a puck screen also. Thanks again ☕

The finer you grind, the less volume for the same dose. Wondering why IMS didn't adjust the basket depth accordingly since their baskets have faster flowrate.

Probably not a noticeable improvement

Yes, I have but with black plastic insert removed. If you remove plastic insert be sure portafilter is heated.

Depends what you mean my machining marks I suppose? Nothing abnormal for a filter basket, and I have I think 6 baskets from IMS

Yes, they are all using the same portafilter

There are different sizes for different dose ranges :)

@@LifestyleLab_ and what would be the best for 18/18.3gr doses?

The 16-18g is similar to the stock Breville basket. The 18-20g will give you more space to up dose, but may need to be used with a bottomless portafilter

Yes, as long as you get the same depth / dose size as your standard portafilter

@@LifestyleLab_ cool thanks

Because these aren’t 51mm baskets They’re 54mm

@@LifestyleLab_ yes I was talking about the IMS 51mm basket, cause I own a De Longhi Dedica

Less clogged holes and more even flow does lead to faster flow with most precision baskets compared to stock baskets

Having it flow fast is actually a good thing, shows just how much the stock basket was clogging things up. No idea why you would switch back, grind finer whether that's by the outer burr or the inner. If you have maxed out both burrs then it may be your beans that are the problem, not the basket, grinder or anything else. You shouldn't be anywhere near maxing out your grinder if you have proper beans.

Go with 15-18

Yes of course you can! Exact same portafilter

I have the BBE and it works fine

I use Crema Products NPF and OEM double portafilter but I removed the black plastic from OEM portafilter. I also have IMS shower screen. If you remove black plastic be sure portafilter is heated appropriately. Using Breville Infuser.

@@Bryan-eg7si great video. Thank you. What portafilter are you using? I am trying to find one that fits my Breville but found some reviews saying that if the 3 ears are not exactly the same as original one it will break the fitting in time.

this

Definitely time to replace your grouphead gasket!!

@@LifestyleLab_ I did replace the gasket.....it works for about 45 days at about 3 pulls/day....and then.....watch out! also, I*ve not been able to get a gasket from Breville website for the last year and a half. never in stock in Canada!!

I'm not sure about IMS pricing in the UK, but that seems quite high... cheaper in North America

I have an IMS shower screen for my Appartamento, and I'm sure the IMS shower screen would be better than the stock Breville one in some ways. However, I've never installed a new shower screen that I've been able to taste the difference from... so it would really be more a piece of mind thing that you have the best component possible in there. Taste-wise, I'm not sold

@@LifestyleLab_ Would be great if you would be able to run an experiment to find out. I currently have the shower screen installed and I find that the water flows much more evenly which reduces channeling and produces a better shot. Would love to hear your thoughts as well as extraction and taste experiments for this accessory as well :)

Certainly worth a formal test!

@@LifestyleLab_ The issue comes specifically from Barista Express, it seems to have issues with its current shower screen so getting the IMS will be interesting. A quick youtube search will show you how terrible it is..

I would recommend that you check out Hoon's coffee channel here on KZfaq as he has gone over the IMS shower screen for Breville and many other products in depth. Hope that helps.

What's your time, dose and yield rn?

Precision baskets are a very proven concept.What the table isn’t showing is the difference in taste. Extraction isn’t everything… but that is a significant difference in TDS

I've bought the 54mm 15g dose IMS basket and there is really no significant difference for me. Basically as many others has pointed out, u need to grind finer as the flow becomes faster. And when u grind finer, u need to corresponding increase the dose to reach the same volume and height in your basket. Your said it is proven. How do u prove taste? Other than the mass amount of user replies to this video that says no difference or worse off.

If it’s not for you, that’s perfectly okay :)

U said it is proven and yet unable to provide the proof. Most replies here pointed to no differences and people reverting back to stock basket. Everyone know u are affiliated with the product. Let's keep the understanding that way.

@@yapj0002 How am I in any way affiliated with IMS? and why is that always people's default reaction when they disagree with an opinion? Apparently I work for practically every coffee company out there at this point... haha If you won't take my word for it, perhaps the biggest name in coffee? Or is he paid off too? kzfaq.info/get/bejne/adV2iZtpteCpdnk.html

There is a shower screen upgrade now too :)

@@LifestyleLab_ thanks so much! I can’t tell you how helpful these videos have been cause I bought my barista express as a discount display model with no box or instructions. I didn’t even know there was a macro adjustment on the grinder. Whole new world lol.

So sorry to have offended you

With all due respect, I don’t think your singular limited experience is enough to discredit this very proven upgrade. Differences are very much present and measurable