Just found your video I am an eastern hunter and cannot see a deer at 500 yards No reason to buy a prc if you already own a .270 as no gain in performance or ammo availability for 300 yard hunters My 270 weathetby is my go to rifle

When the 270 Win was invented, the big draw was a flatter shooting 30-06 with less recoil. But actually, no one cared for a long while. Even when Jack O'Connor started writing about the advantages no one cared, not immediately. People didn't start to care for the 270 Win until rifle scopes started to become affordable and popular in the mid 1960s and people started shooting 300-400 yards. You could say these new high-twist, high BC rounds are doing the same thing to the 270 Win but likewise, no one should really care for hunting since there are practical and ethical issues with shooting out 600-800 yards. Maybe someday we will have the technology to map what the wind is doing all along the 800+ yard route. But until we do that, no one can really be certain they can put a bullet in the vitals of an animal with more than 75% certainty at those ranges in hunting conditions with a single shot from a cold barrel. Snipers take these shots because, 1) They are professional, trained shooters with the best technology, and 2) If they miss, they can probably shoot again, and 3) If they wound someone and don't kill them, it's probably even better. These conditions don't apply to hunting. If you want to test your ability to shoot long range, shoot at steel. If you want to experience hunting, stalk the animal to within 300 yards and shoot them dead every time.

@@davidjohnston4122 Found the Fudd. How do you guys always show up where you are not wanted, and how do you get to be so pretentious and self-righteous, like the hunting gods just anointed you as arbiter for hunting ethics? We have 17,000 year old cave paintings depicting your ancestors preaching ethics to the first users of the atlatl, "that isn't hunting, that is just sniping, why don't you get closer and poke them with your pointed stick like I do?" Every advancement in technology for thousands of years has been accompanied by the whining of a course of Fudds insisting we hold ourselves to their own arbitrary standards of hunting ethics. Guess what? We don't care. We never have. People don't spend thousands of dollars setting up a rifle, invest the time and money into developing a load and a skill set so that they can be lectured by some Fudd who bought a $400 rifle and scope combo at Walmart, and is still using the same box of Winchester Power Points he bought at a gas station in 2008. You only get to decide proper ethical hunting distances for you. There is plenty of people out there that can make an 800 yard shot more ethically than you can make a 400 yard shot.

It's quite ironic and funny you say "hampered" by slow twist and lighter bullets. Only now is it hampered. No one was saying that until these kinds of comparisons started. And it's a tap dance. The 270 130 grain at 3060(I contest this speed also) in factory ammo was supposed to be the standard. Find me a gun magazine article starting 15 years ago and going back as far as you care too where they complain that the .270 is hampered by it's twist rate and ammo offering. You won't find it. .270 fan boys are tap dancing and are unwilling to admit what the .264s and especially the 6.5 PRC are capable of. Much more than it matters to me because I don't shoot long range, but the 6.5 PRC is superior at long range. I guess if you loaded those 200 grain or 170 whatevers in that .277 you can get similar sd and bc lol. Just look at Nosler reloading data and the numbers are not negotiable. It's the tap dancing that is hilarious. Just think, when I pull the trigger on my Bergara premier approach shooting factory federal 130 grain terminal ascent at a verified speed average of 3080 fps, when I cycle the bolt, I don't have to move my head...just like my Bergara .308.

True i agree especially right now with ammo so expensive

It works it works

It works

Thank you for watching! Good luck hunting this year

Thank you

I bought a 6.5PRC... well because I didn’t have either, the rifle I wanted came in 6.5PRC, and I already had a stash of 6.5mm bullets.

@@chevyon37s can’t go wrong with it.

6.8 western is better than both.

@@warriorwarrior6999 not if you’re target shooting, the 6.5PRC has an ever so slight advantage in drop and wind deflection. Along with less recoil. So there, the 6.8 western is in fact not better than the 270 or 6.5PRC... depending on use.

@@warriorwarrior6999 well, if by more powerful, yeah. But now you’re steppin up basically to a magnum. The western is pretty close to 7mm RemMag

Thank you

I agree and I got back and forth on most of my guns with that same thought. I like a variety but ultimately they serve a very similar purpose

Absolutely!!!

Good info

It's actually easier to find 6.5 creedmoor, 6.5 prc, 28 nosler than it is to find 270, 308 or 30-06 right now

My wife’s 6.5 PRC carries more energy past 200 yards than my 30-06. Combine that with the relatively low recoil and it has become my wife’s go to Elk/deer gun.

@@dominicnocera7657 in my experience the catch-up is around 300 yards. With 100 FPE difference at 500 yards. The 6.5 is about a half a mil flatter at 500 and .2 mil flatter at 300. You get an extra 20ish yards and a little less MPBR on the 6.5 PRC. You also get a couple fewer rounds in the magazine for what that’s worth. In practical terms I’d say unless you’re hunting beyond 500 there’s no difference in what is achievable with the two. And I think that makes up about 1-2% of hunters based on a couple recent surveys I read.

@@vitalshok2238 Say what. I don't know where your living but here in Southern Utah 270, 30-06, 30-30, 308, 243, 7mm mag, 300wm are every where but you'll be lucky to get any of the PRC bullets. And when we do see them they are much more expensive.

I will have to look into that

That’s what I been looking for

7mm-08 wins all day every day!! 6.5 is too light to be effective hunting past 200yrds. 7mm-08 can be loaded much heavier and hot and retain more energy out to 3-400 yrds. Neither should be used at long range except on paper!! There are vids with this comparison..

@@ez7977 7mm-08 is a tiny bit better ballistically but you won't notice any difference in practice. Like all these cartridge comparisons, there just isn't a meaningful difference unless you make a big jump. The 270 Win and 7mm Rem Mag aren't even that different ballistically. Have to go to 300 Win Mag from 270 Win before you see a real difference that will alter any hunting decision or result. The main differences are the practical tradeoffs that you will definitely notice: more recoil, heavier longer gun, can't find ammo, have to pay more for ammo, have to choose your second choice rifle etc. None of these small ballistic changes make up for these things.

@@davidjohnston4122 - agree. But ‘differences’ are relative! I handload for just about all the cartridges mentioned in this thread and chart velocity, energy, drop, etc.. i think there is a big difference in these cartridges. Also with the additional speed i can get out of a 7mm rem mag i can out perform a 300 win mag past 600 yards or so. Although i have never shot an animal beyond 500, and most likely never will. Too much can go wrong in my opinion. Within 300 yards all the cartridges are the same, at least no animal will notice the difference!!!

Me too

No doubt, the 6.5prc is a 6.5 mag

The 270 Winchester short mag is faster than the 65 PRC and if you rebarrel your 270 Winchester short mag in a one-in-eight Twist you will outperform the 65 PRC

@Br 549 how about a 6.5-300 Weatherby heh heh heh 😎

Yes

this is a better comparison 270 WSM vs 6.5 PRC. 6.5 PRC is a modern 270 win, but Blaser still does not make a barrel for it. I have used 140gr bullet or 150 gr with 270 WSM with great results

Agree with Vodek Z. Me thoughts for the 270 came after watching Randy Selby, The Real Gunsmith, talk about the 270, as old as it is, with right powder and barrel, is capable of 3100 to 3200 fps with 140 grain bullets.

@@dondilley5075 270 win old proven, but has sharp recoil. 6.5 PRC hopefully will last as long 270 win

@@dondilley5075 6.5 interest came from 6.5x55 even older caliber than 270 win. I do have 6.5x55 and love to shot it. Nice for hand loading

Thank you.

your comment makes no sense. you use fast expanding ammo for deer, bonded and controlled expansion bullets for elk. do you not think they make accubonds in 6.5? its not 1965, you can get high BC controlled expansion bullets.

Do this ^^^

280 AI is gonna beat it up pretty good. 168 grain bullets going 3000 fps or worse a 180 grain eldm with that BC of .796 going 2800 is gonna stomp on that PRC pretty hard.

Good idea

Sako a7 is nice!

I’ve been running a Sako, a7 25-06 an running either 110eldx or 115 Berger vld and it’s bin a great rifle sub moa to 800 yards as that’s as far as I’ve bin able to get out. Also doubles as my coyote gun. 85gr nosler at 3600 fps. Pretty much aim for hair out to 350. Also as for your 270 my brother just went through this same thing. He wanted to get into longer range stuff and was looking at a new rifle but has a really nice ruger 270 m77 that shoots nice. So I showed him with the eldx or even better but more expensive the nosler 150 ABLR it wasn’t worth buying a dedicated long range rig until he gets really good fundamentals.

@@Bullets4Bucks in my opinion if you hand load and want a really slick do almost anything cartridge look at a 280ai. Tiny bit more recoil then the 270 but in a browning X bolt you can get a faster twist so you can shoot 175gr and heavier. With my X bolt It has a 26” barrel and it’s setup more for long range target and bigger animal hunting like moose it will push a 175gr eldx at 2940. 👍

Eld m doesn't tumble lol. Eld m is a great long range bullet, expands wonderfully. Massive damage causing mess.

Yes agreed big time

He is comparing standard loads that are commercially available not handloads. The prc can get much better with handloads too.

Barnes are trash.

@@matthewkyle6939 Care to share why? I have 20 dead elk and a dozen mule deer that say otherwise.

@@Bouncing22 they do not perform at long range. Lead cor bullets are superior.

No i have not

Good comment

I think I wouldn't be too concerned stretching a prc out to 750 yards depending on elevation maybe a little farther.

Exactly. Shoot the same animal in the same place with either 1000 times and you'll get the same exact result every time. Imagine if people who used knives for stabbing argued endlessly whether a knife that was 1 mm shorter but also 1 mm wider was going to be more effective in a stabbing spree. Just get out hunting, find the animal and make a clean shot. If everyone spent 10% of the time shooting that they spend banging out nonsense on the keyboard, no one would ever miss anyway.

True

Can do that with even heavier bullets. Listen to Randy Selby on this. He was an expert on gun making and hand loading before these other people were even born. These isn't much new happening in ballistics. It's been a mature technology for several decades. What's new the is marketing. There is always new marketing. Who cares what a bullet is doing at 600 yards for hunting? You better not be shooting animals at 800 yards.

Student of O'Connor

Probably prc

Thank you

That’s probably the case in most areas. But It is nice to have the edge if there is a further shot. But truth be told some people just get to excited to take long range shots. as such.

Very few people can judge the drop of normal hunting rounds at 300. And after 300, all bullets start dropping exponentially making judging a longer shot extremely difficult, risky, and therefore inhumane. even with these fancy scopes these days (geez i sound old) turning the dial on a turret does nothing if you dont know what the drop of that exact cartridge/primer/powder/bullet combination produces. Then the hunter has to do the math to convert that to MOA or MILs on the fly…. Good luck!! 1 out of a couple hundred thousand hunters can do this and have the practice to be efficient.

@@ez7977 lucky for me I have a CDS hahhahhhah

0 -Doller-bill - hahahaha…. So do i. But if you actually bought into the customizable CDS turret for your cartridge instead of understanding ballistics and how temp., elevation, wind, and pressure effects bullet drop you are dumber than you think. And please dont shoot game past 300yds. You wont be accurate!! Basically CDS is a gimmick for people who dont know what they are doing!!

Some of us don’t wanna walk/drive that far either! Lol I can’t shoot my 6.5 prc.. cost of ammo Is too much

it is the fad, and it does the job. 270 fan myself.

That is in the plans

@@Bullets4Bucks awesome thanks for the reply, great videos by the way

@@StephenSmith-uj7tk no problem

I have had a 270 WSM, and currently shoot both the 6.5 PRC and the .270 Win. As a hand loader, I found the 270 WSM to be an extremely inefficient cartridge. It needed a lot more powder to get a relatively small increase in velocity when compared to the old 270. I like the PRC and .270 Win. about equally, but it still remains to be seen if the PRC is going to "catch on".

I have a video on the 300wsm vs 6.5 prc soon

That 270 WSM intrigues me. Whats the recoil in relation to normal 270 Win?

270 WSM is an amazing cartridge when paired with the correct barrel twist. Mine has a 1:8 twist and is a more apples to apples comparison with the 6.5's that all come with fast twist barrels. Once the 270 is equipped with these barrels it not only keeps up with the 6.5's, it surpasses them in performance. I shoot 170 grain Berger EOL'S at 3000 fps. That is one tough customer! Creeds and PRC bye bye. The 26 Noz and 6.5-300 wby can match it ballistic wise but not much else. 270 WSM is a monster when built correctly.

@@John_Redcorn_ recoil is basically 7mm mag. Slightly less.

@@bulldograu1 Browning offers faster twists in 270, as well as the1:10

These videos are as much for target shooting info as hunting. I don't condon the unethical shots of game.

People don’t understand these new cartridges. The 6.5PRC was designed specifically for target use in PRS shooting matches where you’re limited to .308 cal, and 3200fps. So Hornady developed the 6.5PRC to stay within those constraints as well as be in a handy short action size and have tame recoil. So it’s great for that, and it just so happens to be a great hunting round as well. But certainly people think because a cartridge has good ballistics at long ranges they think it also does well on game. Not the case, and certainly shots should be limited and kept reasonable on game no matter the cartridge IMO.

You must have protested the invention of cars because of the additional risks that came with them.

@@Notjay95 no, he's just being more realistic.

I disagree. Advances in technology result in advances in capability. People are still obligated to practice, and to stay within their individual limitations, but any range limitation one tries to place for "ethical" shots on game is purely arbitrary. Some people are capable of taking more of an ethical shot at 800 yards than many hunters can at 200 yards. The technology is there to make these shots, we just need people to develop the skill set. This was as true when the .30-30 Win came out and brought "high velocity" jacketed bullets to the commercial market as it was in 1963 when the 7mm Rem Mag legitimized the magnum craze and today with the heavy for caliber VLD hunting bullets and ammunition marketed to "long range hunting."

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Agreed

Absolutely. If an argument for why some "hunting round" is better mentions any distance beyond 500 yards, just stop listening right there.

@@davidjohnston4122 Amen! Merry Christmas David! My question is this: If a man takes an 800yd shot at a beautiful trophy buck over less-than-familiar terrain.And he wings the damn thing because the air has changed directions five different times And he had no idea what was going on downrange. And the deer is, painfully wounded, heads for the woods and the guy spins the day looking for it but can't find it, Will he turn in his tag? That's why I don't need an 850 BC hunting projectile, right there. I can hit a pie plate with 10 rounds from a 28Nosler at a thousand yards. But that is at a range that I have shot every weekend for the last several years and from a gun that I'm on my second barrel with. I can read that range and I know it. These guys don't know anything. It's your responsible...

@@Jeff_Seely If someone can make a strong case that they are going to hit that animal in the vitals almost every time with enough energy to kill it, then I wouldn't say it's unethical. But I just don't believe it. Shooting over two valleys, up into the timber from some makeshift shooting position isn't the same as bench rest shooting on a flat range. I don't know how anyone is going to estimate the wind currents in such scenarios. Maybe there a handful of people in the World that can make those shots reliability but surely not all these 20 somethings on the internet forums. What I find is that the more experience a person has as a shooter and hunter, the more strongly they feel that long range hunting is unethical.

@@davidjohnston4122 I 100% agree with everything that you said.

I would stay with 300 wm. 6.5 prc is going to destroy the meat if you hit in the shoulder like most anything. 6.5 prc ammo is hard to find limited and expensive.

@@Bullets4Bucks it's just that the .300 creates massive open wounds a deer, a couple nights ago I spined a doe and her whole back was destroyed. and ammo is expensive as hell bought a box for 45 bucks

Yes

Yes very efficient and good bullet options

Thank you

Since when is the .277 bullet short and fat? The 6.5 eld-x is 1.44 inches long and the .270 eld-x is 1.337 inches long. VERY close. Out to ethical hunting ranges there is literally no difference in killing power. When you are talking 1600 foot pounds and change at 500 versus 1700 foot pounds and change at 500 no animal is going to tell the difference.

And actually a closer ratio to the 6.5 ELD-X would be a 150 grain accubond long range .277. G7 BC is .317. .002 more than the 143 eld-x 6.5. So essentially identical

@@thepaisanokid2738 I think you missed what I said. You have to comapre length to width ratios or SD. Those 2 bullets may be close the the same length but the 270 is a larger diameter so it will have a lower B.C. than the 6.5 because of the ratio. If you campare same calibers you can use bullet weight but when comparing different diameters of the same weight the small caliber will always have a better B.C. within a reasonable range of calibers.

6.5 can kill anything with good placement and bullet construction but I would recommend 7mm or 30 cal for elk or larger animales. Humans make mistakes and I find larger diameter bullets give me more forgiveness and better blood trails.

Both would do great

The Browning lever action.

Thank you

I made a very similat ctg in 1990 obtained from 6.5x68 case, the 6,5 Jaco, trimmed at 2.035. 120 gr Nosler at 3200fps and 140 at 3000.

The 270 Win is one of the best non-magnum calibers available. I prefer the 280 AI, but you can’t walk into a Walmart and purchase a box of Federal blue box for $15.99 (before the ammo shortage) for a 280 AI or some other boutique calibers like a 7x64. The idea that a 270 Win is useless is ridiculous. In the US, Australia, New Zealand and South Africa it has a strong following. If you reload, until just recently you could only purchase Hornady brass, which is not my favorite. The 6.5 does edge out the 270 Win, but not by much. If you’re only slightly better than something “useless”, what’s the point? Presently, there just aren’t enough top quality rifles available in 6.5 PRC, but time will tell.

And everybody laughs. The 270 is one of the best hunting rounds ever. 6.5 fanboys needs to do some more research and talk to hunters.

@@davidjohnston4122 if you control tranectories and Power you can see the great efficiency of a 6.5 bullet versus a 270

Interesting

@@Bullets4Bucks watch this. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qKl9payQ2K7aqmQ.html

I would start on a 6.5 creedmoor

kids move too fast, might be good for woodchucks though.

Good idea

Correction, the 30-06 takes that crown. Nothing to write home about but it kills everything that's put in front of it

@@69yenko65 we were talking about the 6.5 vs the .270..guess you got confused..

You are right. It's difficult to give the perfect comparison as I like to keep them to factory offerings and or certain hunting factory offerings.

Rod, the advantage for 6.5 PRC is that I can go buy any 6.5 PRC chambered rifle off the shelf and go shoot those 156 Bergers. Where as to shoot the 170 .270 bullets I have to have a custom barrel and chamber cut. Also, 2800 fps for the 156 Bergers is very mild. Guys are getting in the neighborhood of 3000 fps with the 156 Bergers and 153 A-Tips with no problem. Go run those numbers and see what you get.

No

I think you should recheck your facts. The 6.5 PRC has a fatter case and usually has magazine capacity comparable to the magnum cartridges. For instance, a Winchester model 70 rifle chambered for 270 will hold 5 rounds in the magazine while the exact same rifle in 6.5 PRC only holds 3.

The comparison was also for target shooters.

The old 7 rem mag 😂 the 270 is like 37 years older...

The case capacity of the 7mm weatherby and the 7mm rem mag. are a big step up from these short mag's but the short magnums still produce huge numbers in short actions, this is the idea anyway. I own short and long action magnums and they all take game equally. The short actions are more handy and the long actions bring a bit more thump. I have a .300 RCM guide gun and I also own a .300 RUM 700 Rem. both stainless with laminate stocks breaks on both I do not think game can tell which one I am hunting with. I think the good old .308 or '06 will work like magic on anything you could want to shoot at. My first rifle was 7mm Rem. Mag. killed a pile of game with it too.

Its a fun cartridge but time will tell if it grows. I did do really good beyond 1000 yards compared to 6.5 cm or 6 cm.

@@Bullets4Bucks I would like to see you try weatherbys 6.5-300. Its velocities are amazing and when paired with a alco bullet with a g1 bc of .818 it's a lazer

Interesting

Thats a load of bull you can legally use any centre fire in nz but it is recommended to use 243 or larger i know i live and hunt in nz, i also fact checked myself before making this comment

I guess the 270 is the long-range hunting rifle that everyone has access to

exactly, daft video.

@@sergioantoniolazzaro1995 And believe it or not in this ammo shortage I still see .270 on the shelf, this makes a difference when I want to shoot. I agree with another person that a heavier bullet .270 with similar BC should have been chosen.

Thanks for watching. Turkey hunting is around the corner

Its a good one

Really? Have you used it? I’ve dropped 2 whitetail, 1 at 483 yards and 1 at 448 yards and it blew through both shoulders on both. It’s a great bullet. Both deer didn’t move

Rushi994 - ive used, shoot and tested nearly every bullet on the market. Deer are extremely easy to kill even with subpar bullets. Eldx will most likely kill any deer, sure. Done it, seen it. The problem is if you hit a dense section of bone the bullet most likely will not make it through the first shoulder. Especially on larger game such as elk or bigger. Its a frangible bullet, breaks apart and ruins alot of meat, it sheds it jacket on impact and the lead disintegrates. How many flecks of lead did you consume? Choose a partition or swift, copper solid such as barnes, or etip.. there are a few others, but research the bullet construction not just what the box says.. you spend thousands of dollars on good gear, nice gun, hunting trip. Why take a chance with a subpar bullet construction at the cost of a few dollars? The bullets i list are guaranteed to go through, retain weight, penetrate anything and not completely break apart and damage much meat.. sure, keep using cheap bullets if you dont care! You’ll get a kill 8 out of 10. Chances are the animal will suffer more, may need a follow up shot, and may loose a couple.

Rushi994 - hornady and berger are target bullets only.. maybe except for the hornady interlok. Anything they market as hunting is just a rebranded paper puncher! Its not my opinion, its the facts of the construction of the bullet. Any bullet will kill, not all will kill efficiently and humanely. Ive killed and been on 100’s of whitetail hunts. Every deer i have ever shot was a one shot kill and most were with cheap ammo, but that doesnt make it the right bullet. Try an elk with an eldx, people do every year. And every year eldx get lodged in a shoulder joint, completely fall apart on impact and never make it past a shoulder blade or maim an animal.. barnes retains 95% of its weight, passes through any piece or bone of any animal and expands to nearly 2x its diameter…. I shot through 3/8” I-beams two weeks ago with a barnes X, 4 weeks ago i shot eldx that didnt even scratch the surface of a 1/4” steel sheet. Post your email, ill send pics and my stats.