I agree the 270 is the best I have been shooting it since I was 16 and I'm 51 also

I started with it at 21. I'm 54. Now I have several 270s

Keeps my freezer full of venison. $25/box for Remington core lokt . No need to buy fancy stuff. 6.5 prc ammo is $80-110 a box

That's right. I'll keep my very capable 270 and my wife will keep her 243. Both rounds are commercially available everywhere for 30 a box. Ain't a thing wrong with that!

To me, this round is the most versatile hunting cartridge ever produced. No cartridge war with anyone because I find them childish. Just my opinion. You chose well. Derek 👍

If you’re just hunting deer it will do, these numbers are off compared to bigger channels who actual record the speeds and energy’s first hand. The .270 at 320 yards falls down to 1550 ftlbs of energy while the 6.5 PRC is still cooking at 1800+ If you never plan to shoot long or shoot anything bigger then a deer, either are a fine choice

I handload my .270 Winchester with 140 grain Sierra tipped, Game Kings and H4831 powder out of a Winchester Model 70, with a 24 inch factory barrel. I easily get 3,040 fps over the chronograph, and sub moa groups. There is lots of cool new stuff out there, but 97 years hasn't diminished the .270 one bit. In fact, much like it's parent the .30-06, it's better than ever.

Also true

If you need those rounds, there is a problem.

@@tacticalmattfoley Sounds like you speak from experience. I was thinking for big bear encounters while hunting not because of bad shooting.

@@kylemartin832 Yeah, I've owned two Browning BARs one in 270 and one in 30-06. I had to shoot animals with the 270 twice to keep them from running off with well placed shots--the gun had accuracy issues that had to be worked on with a qualified gunsmith repeatidly, too. The 30-06....one shot and the and the animals never took more than three steps. I prefer 30 cal and 30 cal magnums for ethical kills. My opinion: if the animal runs, it isn't an ethical kill.

@@tacticalmattfoley It seems your issue with 270 in gun related and not the cartridge itself.

Thanks for sharing

🤠 Yes sir - 2 Dozen Bull Elk later myself! 😂

I find more 6.5 prc than any cartridge now.

@@washmuleyhunter Yep, since I wrote the comment, it’s becoming more prevalent. Where I’m located, a lot more ammo is available at the moment.

Thanks for commenting!

Preaching the good word of the 25-06 Rem I see.... haha

@@ReloadingWeatherby always lol used it since 1999

Thanks for commenting!

@@ReloadingWeatherby if you ever get time could you do a comparison on the 270 Winchester the 7mm 08 and the 280 Remington

Well yeah 270 Weatherby smokes both

I agree

That was my thinking, I own 2 of 30-06, 1 of 270 Win and recently a 6.5 PRC Weatherby Vanguard 24 barrel.

Which do you like more?

​@ReloadingWeatherby as far as the different cartridges go...... I have to say the old war horse .270 Win. That is by no means a knock against the 6.5 PRC.

Yep!

Look at drop and wind drift....

Yeah BCs of the 270 start causing it to lose at longer ranges, but both of these cartridges were made for hunting, where ethics dictate much lower ranges than that point. Love the 270, but always good to see new options around. I like the 6.8 western too, but already have a 270wsm so I probably won’t get one.

@@phild9813 agree, 270win or 6.5 PRC probably best all around and the 6.8W looks great if a little heavier is needed.

And I would hope people would really just stick to normal hunting distances. There's a certain satisfaction I feel when I work to close in the distance on a buck. Shooting deer at 800 yd opens up a lot of variables that are beyond the hunters control.

Yep! Most hunting rifles for the 270 will be a 22 inch barrel and most 6.5 PRC will be in a 24 inch barrel. My Dad's 6.5 PRC with a 24 inch barrel can get only 3000 FPS with a 140 gr bullet.

I currently have a .270 Win Weatherby Vanguard. Shoots 143 ELD-X reloads lights out. I have killed many deer and one 6x6 bull elk with this load. My only complaint is it has a large chamber, hard on brass, just barely within Saami Spec. Only get 2-3 loadings on my brass. I decided I wanted to purchase a New rifle to reload with and use this as a backup or replace it. I really wanted a Tactical Mid-priced rifle with carbon fiber vertical Pistol grip stock and possibly a lightweight carbon fiber barrel and a "must" threaded barrel for suppressor or muzzle brake. While nearly every manufacturer in 2024 now chambers 6.5 PRC, almost none of them in their mid to high end rifle models chamber .270 Win, and none in the more "Tactical style" vertical grip lightweight carbon fiber stocks and carbon fiber or lighter weight fluted barreled actions. The lower end priced rifles mostly do chamber .270 Win. Personally I like the 6.8 Western as a better cartridge over 6.5 PRC and .270 Win, but as of right now, only 2 Rifle Manufacturers have adopted 6.8 Western. (Winchester & Browning). However nearly every manufacturer you can name except Nosler offers their newest production rifles in 6.5 PRC. I hope 6.8 Western doesn't get the same treatment as .270 WSM, but I am hesitant to buy it as it might get snubbed by both rifle manufacturers and ammunition manufacturers. I believe with so many rifle makers offering 6.5 PRC it is here to stay along with traditional.308 Win, 7mm Rem Mag, 300 Win Mag and newer chamberings in 6.5 Creedmoor, 6.5 PRC, 300 PRC, probably 7 PRC. Hopefully 7MM Rem Mag and .270 Winchester will continue to be supported as they appear to be deleting 30-06 from their production. If more Manufacturers give the .270 Win a faster twist rate and ream the chamber to accept longer heavier projectiles like Browning it may have more offerings. However, most stores still offer a good selection of .270 Win Factory ammo for sale currently which is still a win for current .270 Win owners. Decisions decisions 🤔

@daveenriquez7790 You might want to consider .277 Fury/6.8x51. If the US military is able to adopt and implement this cartridge with their NGSW as the SIG M7, military cartridges have traditionally done very well on the American commercial market. It is a monumental logistical undertaking for a military the size of ours to switch weapons and ammunition, so it might take a few years. But if the program is successfully implemented, not only will 6.8x51 be extremely popular, but that popularity should trickle down to other cartridges in the 6.8mm/.277 caliber. Maybe put that project on the back burner for a few years?

That .277 Sig Fury 6.8 is an interesting cartridge for sure! 80,000 PSI is unreal. I wonder what velocity they are getting with it? It Looks like a .277-08 except with that steel base attached to the rest of the brass case. We shall see how it turns out if adopted by US Military. The 7mm-08 works and sure is a great cartridge

@Jess Hadlock my only elk experience so far was a cow elk 3 years ago. I shot her at 465 yards with a 127 gn Lehigh defense controlled chaos bullet the first shot obliterated the humerus and the shot side lung, and had petals go through the liver. Because she was still standing I hit her a second time and that shot landed only 1.5 to 2 inches away from the first shot liquified the heart and lungs and rolled her down the mountain. I like that the 270's recoil is very manageable with me being able to spot my shots most of the time, and it still packs enough punch with the right hand loads to feel comfortable out to 500 yards. The cartridge has really become a benchmark for me when I compare other cartridges.

🤠 In this months December 2022 Field and Stream Magazine, Colonel Craig Boddington (World renowned hunter and outdoor writer) is quoted as saying that, "the old 270 is a sensible minimum for elk"! 😉 And, he also says it is, "fully adequate for elk"! 😎 He tells of his taking of two "good bulls" with his 270 Winchester beyond 400 yards! 🙂 AGE and EXPERIENCE taught Craig that he was wrong and "Professor" Jack O'Conner was right regarding the 270's effectiveness on elk! 👨‍⚖ He goes on to reveal that in a letter, even Elmer Keith (Advocate for larger calibers and heavier bullets) conceded that the 270 would be "OK" for elk, given ideal shot placement and a 150 grain Nosler Partition (the only premium 150 grain bullet at that time)! 😂 So, tell me something that I don't already know? 😏

🤠 Yep! And, to each his own - but, I won't take "questionable shots" anymore (where I can't put a bullet directly into the vitals or at distances over 500 yards)! 🤔 Nope! ☹ Even though I practice shooting at distances farther than that, to keep my skills "honed in"! 🎯 I wrote that "commentary" specificly for the 6.5 crowd, trying to hunt elk with their 6.5 Creedmore and 6.5 prc's! 🤪 But, I thought it "affirmed" what this gentleman had "confirmed", that the 270 Winchester is an "elk capable cartridge" at "ethical hunting distances" and should be considered the "sensible minimum caliber" for doing so! 😁

Generally you will see about 50 FPS more with a longer barrel. What velocities are you getting with both?

@@ReloadingWeatherby I don’t hand load yet. But I’m thinking about starting

🤠 Yes, the velocity in the Nosler Reloading Manual shows that 3,113 ft/s velocity is with a 26" barrel for the 6.5 prc! So, subtracting 50 ft/s for the 6.5 prc, leaves you with a velocity of 3,063 ft/s - which is slower than the factory loads for the 270's 140 grain SST Superformance load of 3,090 ft/s! 3,063 ft/s (6.5 prc velocity) < 3,090 ft/s (270 Winchester velocity)! 😁 However, the deer aren't really going to notice any difference! 🤣

@@ronlowney4700 thanks for this information. Much appreciated sir

🤠 Elk is where the 270 Winchester really excells over the 6.5 prc! I have posted a comment, comparing the 2 cartridges! 😜

Thanks for sharing! I prefer my 30 caliber over 270

@@ReloadingWeatherby If you're wondering, I started off hunting rabbits and quail with an LC Smith 16 gauge side-by-side. I didn't get a centerfire rifle until I was 18YO.

Thanks for commenting!

A .270 Win can also be had in a very lightweight rifle. My Tikka Superlite in 270 Win. with a 4.5-14×40 Leupold scope on top only weighs 7 lbs. 4 oz.

It seems you take pride in your writing skills, well written comment. However, you might not be aware that there is no such word "anyways" , drop the s and you are correct, the word is anyway. I don't understand why this error has become so normal in the modern vernacular.

😂 I have noticed than when some "critics" can't argue on the subject anymore, because their points have "No Merit", they will turn to trying to correct your grammar! 🤪 It is just a desperate ("Hail Mary"🤾‍♂️) attempt to get in the last insulting word (🤬), because you've won the argument, but falls short of addressing the subject in the same way as Dan falls down on the ski slopes! 💥 Crashing (⛷) and burning (🔥) as he rolls down the hill, until gravity wins the final battle and he is "quietly" (🤫) buried on the mountain (🗻) and his "wisdom" (👨‍🏫) is forever forgotten, because it had no real substance (it was just a way of trying to insult you)! 🙋‍♂️🙋‍♂️That is how you know that you beat the obstacles (the mountain) that others were trying to put in your way and that you will stand Triumphantly up the Top of the mountain and at the Pinnacle of Success, when your "critics" are Forever Silenced and Your "Wisdom" Lives on Forever! 🥳

😜 Yes, Trevor, the 270 Winchester is a better cartridge and the 6.5 prc will eventually be buried by it - just like many other Great cartridges that tried, unsuccessfully, to dethrone it (including): the 264 Winchester Magnum, 280 Remington, 6.5 Remington Magnum, 280 AI, 270 wsm, 6.8 Western, 270 Weatherby, 6.5-06, 284 Winchester, 6.5-284 Winchester, 25-06 Remington, 257 Weatherby Magnum, 27 Nosler, 7mm-08 Remington, 7mm wsm, 7mm Weatherby, 7mm Remington Magnum, 7mm Lazzeroni Firebird, 7mm Lazzeroni Tomahawk, Weatherby 6.5 rpm, 260 Remington, etc...and the 6.5 prc! 🤑 The 270 Winchester will outsell and outlive them all! 🥇👴 Long Live the 270 Winchester! 🍻 All Hail the 🤴! 😜

@@danblumel Dude, I honestly didn't know this!... Any ways... thanks for the info 😊👍🏼... I wonder if the space fixes it?.. When I write in social media comments like this, I try to make it sound conversational as if I am speaking... which introduces grammatical oddities for certain... Like my typical excessive use of three dots (...) Cheers!

@@ronlowney4700 Hey ron... I hear what you are saying... there are plenty of those snarky types out there. But in this example I took @danblumel's comment as a sincere grammatical correction and I am thankful for it... I am always willing to learn and I honestly didn't know that "anyways" is technically improper grammar! Cheers. 😊

That's quick, I get book velocities out of my 270 Win

🤠 Horneday Factory Superformance Ammunition (Using Superformance powder and the SST bullet) will produce those velocities! But, in hand loads (like using the 130 grain Nosler Ballistics Tip) - Reloader 16, Reloader 26, Magpro, and Norma 204 powder will also exceed that velocity! 😜 It is a shame that Nosler doesn't show that in their Reloading Manuals, but some of the powder companies will show the cases true potential on their websites! 🤷‍♂️ For example, Magpro shows a velocity of 3,235 ft/s with that 130 grain bullet! 🔥

Thanks for watching!

Pretty good

I've seen them where I'm at... except 300 PRC

@@ReloadingWeatherby Ya the 300prc is a wonderful big game caliber, but if you cant buy ammo or get reloading supplies for it, it just becomes a safe queen.

I wanted to use the same type of bullet for both cartridges. One thing you have failed to mention is those velocities in the 270 Win are with a 24 inch barrel. Yes you can get 270 Win with a 24 inch barrel, but most of them are with a 22 inch barrels. I'm well aware that Hornady puts the 6.5 PRC data with a 26 inch barrel, and from my best of knowledge it's extremely hard to find a hunting rifle in 6.5 PRC with a 26 inch barrel. My dad has a 6.5 PRC with a 24 inch barrel and the top velocity he can get is 2990 FPS with a 143 gr bullet.

🤠 Ultimately, the deer/antelope won't know the difference, if you put the bullet where it is supposed to go! 🤷‍♂️ Step up to Elk and the 270 Winchester has more heavy bullet options and is the better choice! 😜

@@ronlowney4700 The Berger 156 EOL seems to be the Elk bullet of choice with the 6.5 PRC folks and I would love to see a comparison using that factory Berger ammo in the 6.5 PRC and similar weight bullet in the 270. I am thinking the 6.5 PRC takes the performance crown after 400 yards.

🤭 That is because the 6.5 prc folks have both "Limited Choices" for heavy bullets and because they also bought that caliber specifically for "Long Range Hunting", because it shoots flat! When I was a kid, some 45 years ago, I shot a bull elk with my 270 Winchester and a 150 grain Nosler Ballistics Tip bullet! The elk, along with the rest of the herd was running directly at me! I put the bullet straight into the chest cavity at 50 yards, it granaded in the heart lung area, and he dropped like a rock! So, under the right circumstances, the Burger bullet could kill an elk just like that Nosler Ballistics Tip bullet did! Are either an elk bullet? Absolutely Not! I have nearly half a century of experience to tell me that! I am not a kid anymore and I know better now! Unfortunately, others don't and will be trying to "figure it out" for themselves, instead of listening to people that know better! Unfortunately, alot of animals will be wounded because of this and die a horrible, slow and painful death! 😪 I live in some of the best elk county in the World, out here in Western Montana, and my family owned a guiding service and the local sporting goods store! I also know many of the elk hunting guides, including one that is World Renowned! None of these people would ever reccomend using a 6.5 Anything for elk (especially loaded with burger bullets)! Nope! Can it be done? Yes! But, should it? Absolutely Not! ☹

🤠 Mr. Setten, a "Good Elk Bullet" is on that doesn't fragment upon impact - like the Burger bullet - and one that will penetrate all the way through the animal! You want a bonded bullet or monolithic solid bullet, that will keep it's shape, weight, and mushroom (creating a bigger exit hole, allowing the animal to bleed out quickly)! What this accomplishes is that it will penetrate all the way through the elk, by keeping it's Sectional Density, After Impact! A bullet that penetrates all the way through the animal will help collapse the lungs and also leave a good blood trail (should you need to track it), should the elk run a ways! If one of these burger bullets hits bone (like a rib) it will fragment immediately and not even penetrate into the vitals! Hit a front shoulder and you can kiss that elk goodbye! 🙋‍♂️

I'm sure it will be good

About the same. Thanks for watching!

Yes it's a handload

Thanks for watching

@@ReloadingWeatherby always interested in learning and hearing what others say. Expensive to shoot but love the 6.5prc

Have fun!

284 is a real 7mm

As I said nothing wrong with the newer cartridges. I know a lot of people will try to bag on the newer ones, but I like them all.

You hit that nail on the head about new calibers to sell rifles! We will all be long gone before we find out if the 6.5 PRC is still around and a top seller 99 years after introduction like the .270 has.

@@ReloadingWeatherby You do a great job, you're like me, We appreciate eclectic firearms/calibers

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Been testing the cx In a 270 Ai. 6.5 prc. And 6.5 creedmoor. Works just like a barnes bullet does. It's nice in shorter barrels to get the velocity up. Probably my favorite 6.5 big game hunting bullet at the moment due to the velocity increases in each caliber. It's not rocket science though. Killed a deer with each caliber in this bullet this year and they all dropped.

@@thatguyfishingben4794 what grain bullet, barrel length in the 270 and what's your velocity? I'm genuinely curious of your results

Alaskan Ballistics did a video on the 270 Win and 100 gr GMX bullet. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qcuegLt_ur-ugJs.html

@@kylemartin832 24 inch barrel at 3550 ish for the 270 AI. Could probably get a little more if i wanted to push it but this is pretty good and im having no pressure signs. 6.5 prc is going 3450 in the 120 grain cx with a 24 inch barrel my rifle. If loaded any hotter will show pressure signs. 6.5 creedmoor is going 2950 in a 22 in barrel. This is the biggest surprise. Makes the creedmoor breath fire in a shorter barrel.

@@thatguyfishingben4794 that's awesome. Definitely trying them

6.5 PRC is slow in a 24 inch barrel

The 270 doesn't come with fas twist barrels or the ability to shoot high bc bullets though. The 6.5 prc has all of the 270s strengths and none of its weaknesses.

👨‍⚖ Your comments didn't age very well! It now has barrels in both a 1 in 8 and 1 in 7 1/2 inch twist! 😳 But, even in the 1 in 10 inch twist, the 270 Winchester can shoot the 165 grain Nosler ABLR bullets, which are a heavier bonded "Hunting Bullet" offering than the 6.5 has to give us! 🥳

Everyone has a favorite

@@ReloadingWeatherby yep and some people will go above and way beyond to defend their favorite!! lol 😂

@@patrickgallagher4344 Oh I know

Can't believe I'm defending the 6.5 PRC... 6.5 PRC ammo is pretty easy to find, and so is the brass. With that being said I prefer 270 Win

@@ReloadingWeatherby In Canada if you don’t buy a rifle for 6.5 PRC the sporting goods stores won’t sell you any ammunition. At least when I last inquired that was the case. In the end I really don’t need a new rifle that virtually tries to do what the 270 Winchester has been doing for nearly 100 years. Thanks for the reply though.

The data I was using in the reloading book had the 270 Win with a 24 inch barrel.

@Reloading Weatherby and the prc with a 26 I assume. Apples to oranges. I just bought a 110 ultralight in 6.5 prc, not because it shoots flatter than my 25 year old Rem 270, but because it's crazy light 😜 , salesmanseen me coming. All the factory ammo I can find has the 270 about 50 fps faster for the same weight 💊. And all I can find is the prc is shooting under advertised fps by 30 ish fps likely because like mine they have a 24 inch tube.

Very Interesting! 😯

Right.... kzfaq.info/get/bejne/fLJpdZWgnd27o3U.htmlsi=KzmO1TJvPp5DE6R2

So what is your preferred cartridge?

@@ReloadingWeatherby I have killed more game with a muzzle loader than anything else, archery is a close second . For deer my .243 has taken over a dozen out to 370 yards, for elk the 7mm rem mag has worked well for me … I call it my two step rifle , nothing I ever shot with it ever made it more than two steps ..

@@ReloadingWeatherby All that being said , if you can tell me where I can find a weatherby vanguard sporter with the pretty wood stock in 7mm Rem Mag or .270…. I will buy it ..

Who has recorded it? I literally took the box advertised velocity and used the Hornady data on their website. This is obviously a theoretical comparison... but the numbers are accurate if the rifles get those velocities. As far as a big game cartridge I wouldn't want either for elk or moose. But the 270 Win does shoot heavier bullets... so that would be my choice. FYI a 270 Win can shoot up to 170 gr bullet at over 2800 FPS. I've done a lot of testing with the 165 ABLR at 2850 FPS with incredible success.

The backfire channel test a lot of loads and has tons of data shown. After 300 yards the .270 starts to fall to the 6.5PRC. Now midwest hunting a .270 is all you need. But if you wanna go out west were long shots are taken on the regular, .270 isnt what id be taking.@@ReloadingWeatherby

what is the energy at 320 yards of a 170gr bullet out of a .270? I'd have to bet its below 1500.@@ReloadingWeatherby

@FullDrawOutdoors 1. Backfire data is extremely skewed towards the new cartridges. 2. Your energy numbers for the 270 Win are laughably low. With a 170 gr at 350 yards it has almost 2200 ft.lbs. it doesn't hit 1500 ft.lbs until 650 yards. 3. Even if we use factory ammo with the 145 ELD-X it has 1800 ft.lbs at 350 yards

@ingWeatherby lmao ok, geared towards new cartridges huh. You’re numbers are off and he’s not the only channel. Have fun, I’ll watch other channels with better data then yours! Peace! There is a reason you have 56k followers and he has over 800k 🤣

Sounds like a good idea for a video. Will a cheap 270 Win out shoot a cheap 6.5 Creedmoor. I think in general the newer cartridges should shoot better.

I'm glad you handload. I definitely show my face in videos

Even your Savage 6.5 PRC?

@@ReloadingWeatherby cold 🥶 man cold

@@AlaskanBallistics 😄

🤠 In this months December 2022 Field and Stream Magazine, Colonel Craig Boddington (World renowned hunter and outdoor writer) is quoted as saying that, "the old 270 is a sensible minimum for elk"! 😉 And, he also says it is, "fully adequate for elk"! 😎 He tells of his taking of two "good bulls" with his 270 Winchester beyond 400 yards! 🙂 AGE and EXPERIENCE taught Craig that he was wrong and "Professor" Jack O'Conner was right regarding the 270's effectiveness on elk! 👨‍⚖ He goes on to reveal that in a letter, even Elmer Keith (Advocate for larger calibers and heavier bullets) conceded that the 270 would be "OK" for elk, given ideal shot placement and a 150 grain Nosler Partition (the only premium 150 grain bullet at that time)! 😂 So, tell me something that I don't already know? 😏 Time to "poke the bear"! 🐻🤣

🤠 Colonel Craig Boddington has long been a "Champion" of the 30-06 and tells of his many "hands on experiences" using it and the 270 Winchester on game (and of others), hunting game around the World! Some "Real Wisdom" that needs to be shared here! 😜 Yes, the 270 Winchester is a "Fine" elk cartridge and the Colonel "confirms" it! 😁

Better rifles are chambered in 6.5 PRC?

@@ReloadingWeatherby 270 always seem to be 20 n 22 inch and never in heavy profile or threaded barrels.

@@brandonrenner9597 Just did some research, and generally speaking your statement is true. You're going to find a much larger selection of 6.5 PRC barrels that are 24 inches and that have precision type barrels. But... you can get a 24 inch barrel in the 270 Win from Weatherby and Winchester. You can also get very high quality barrels in 270 Win from Savage and Bergara that are carbon fiber and threaded. You can get a 110 Ultralight in 270 Win and a B-14 Ridge rifle that is a thicker barrel that is threaded.

@@ReloadingWeatherby yea if I get another 270 it's gonna be weatherby for the 24 inch barrel, most manufacturers are same for 25-06 only offer 22inch lol lucky my 25-06 is 26inch. I've got 3100ish average out of Hornady 117s in it

Well the 6.5 PRC has the duel purpose of casual target shooting and hunting.

This metal target at 770 yards begs to differ. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/fLJpdZWgnd27o3U.html

🦗🦗🦗 Apparently Richard Lopez is Stll in Shock! 😂

🕵️‍♂️ Mabey you should try the shorter 180 grain Woodleigh Weldcore bullet Austin (length = 1.39", instead of the 1.51" of the 165 grain Nosler ABLR bullet), as it should stabalize too? That is Something Else that the 6.5 PRC Just Can't Do and, With the Right Powder, Reportedly Can Carry Almost 3,200 ft lbs of Energy at the Muzzle, with a Tougher Bullet! 😵🥊 Sorry Richard, but you are the one that is Wrong Here! 🙄

I've definitely have heard this argument before. I am pro 270 Winchester... but If I'm doing a once in a lifetime hunt I'm not taking a 270 Winchester. And I'm not taking a 6.5 PRC either. Go big or go home.

Of course it's just my opinion. But eventually you need to draw a line on what is an ethical shot.

@@ReloadingWeatherby And what criteria, in your opinion, should factor into where that line is drawn?

@@ReloadingWeatherby You only get to draw the line for yourself. We have the technology today to push the line pretty far out there. The deciding factor is the hunter. If you are willing to develop the skill set and invest in the right gear, you can make an 800 yard shot more ethical than most can make a 200 yard shot. And people don't spend time and money on the right gear and skill set just to have every random Fudd with a $400 Walmart rifle and the same box of Power Points he bought at a gas station in 2012 tell them what arbitrary range it is ethical to take game at. Know your limits and stick to them, and let everybody else hunt.

@@bustabass9025 First is bullet construction, a good hunting bullet should expand properly and also retain it's weight so it can have good penetration. I prefer bonded and monolithic bullets. In the vast majority of cartridges those bullets will still expand out to 400 yards. Second is the ability of the hunter. Obviously this will vary the most. There are some hunters that shouldn't be taking shots past 300 yards and some hunters that could easily kill something at 800 yards. I do think it's important for each person to figure out where they are comfortable. And to practice a lot. Last but not least is I want the animal to have a quick death, and for it to not suffer longer than it needs to. The hunters ability to shoot and the bullet construction is very important for this category. But distance is also a limiting factor on this. I know you shoot powerful magnums... but some people think their 6.5 Creedmoor is plenty good out to 1000 yards for Elk. I prefer people to get closer. So I say ethical hunting distances out to 400 yards as a generalization for most hunters. Again... a lot of hunters shouldn't even be shooting game at 400, and just the opposite 400 yards for an experienced rifleman is easy.

@@ReloadingWeatherby Fair enough, and I respect your opinion. However, I can't see it or anyone who shares it, as a universal determiner of what constitutes "Ethical hunting distance", as some have suggested. What may be objective to one person's way of thinking, absent specific laws, regulations, guidelines, etc. may vary to another's. That variance lends itself to the subjectivity that forever fuels the discussion. You cite some reasonable parameters. Unfortunately, none of which are absolutes. Thus leaving ample room for individual interjection and interpretation, of what works best for someone assessing their own chances at success, not leaning on someone else's opinion of what is or isn't ethical. If I follow your logic, one could also make an argument against "unethical" bow hunting shots taken in excess of fifty yards, or traditional muzzle loader shots taken beyond a hundred. Some hunters can make those shots, and some can't; for any number of reasons. Doesn't make them unethical. Because of its subjective nature, the debate becomes little more than wheel spinning in a Utah snowbank, as opposed to convincing anyone that such an ethical tenant actually, or even should exist. Thus, while everyone has an opinion, it's more to it than just assigning arbitrary distances, equipment mandates, or drawing lines in order to determine ethics for everyone. That determination, in my opinion rests with the individual shooter, and no one else; as well it should. I don't see that changing any time soon, despite the disdain some people have for taking long range shots at game. They're free to never shoot beyond a hundred yards, if that’s their prerogative. But don't criticize others who do, when one has absolutely no realistic idea of their chances of a successful kill. Incidentally, a hundred yards could be considered unethically long range, for someone who like me hunts Midwestern whitetails, and rarely shoots one beyond fifty or seventy-five yards; like the six pointer I took last week, and the many before then. If memory serves me correctly, I recall a KZfaq post from Ron Spomer, showing him taking a deer, or an elk with a 6.8 Western, I can't remember which, well in excess of seven hundred yards. The naysayers were quick to lambaste him as "unethical", for shooting game at that distance. I say NONSENSE! I'd dare say he's taken more game at greater distances than you, me, and the critics combined...he does it as part of his profession as an outdoor writer. I get that, but there's nothing magical or otherworldly about it. Practice and good rifles and cartridges are what it takes. That's all. As I said initially though, who among us can tell someone else what is or isn't ethical for them because of our individual opinions?? Ron may be an exception to the question, but the same things that make him a successful long distance shooter and an ethical hunter (the terms are not mutually exclusive) are available for any of us, if we choose to equip ourselves (skills, abilities, and yes, gear) to take those shots. I for one have, and will continue to do so, especially when hunting out West, where long distance shots are more the rule than the exception. My guess is others will as well. Hopefully, like me they will have also invested time and resources into being able to close the deal, at whatever range they are comfortable shooting. That's "ethical hunting" as far as I'm concerned, irrespective of distances!

Well... technically the 6.5 PRC is more powerful than the 270 Win.

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😏 After reading this "Ludicrous Statement" this morning, I had to find some "Published Data" that would "Overwhelmingly Refute This Claim"! So, If you go to the Nosler Reloading Forum and Read the Quickloads Program Run by Nosler PHD Ballistian (Dr. Mike) - After typing in "load data 180 grain Woodleigh Weldcore 0.277 bullet" - what you will see is that 63.9 grains of Vihtavori N570 will yield the Highest Velocity in the 270 Winchester, with this Hunting Bullet - of 2,821 ft/s! So, I ran the Horneday Ballistics Calculator with This Velocity and bullet and it SHOWED a Muzzle Energy of 3,181 ft/s and almost 300 ft lbs more energy at 400 yards, than the bullet that you used here for the 6.5 prc! 🥊😵 Now, show me a 6.5 prc "Hunting Bullet" Load (your video showed the 6.5 prc of having a Muzzle Energy of 2,782 ft lbs with that 143 grain cup and core bullet) that can Match That 270 Winchester's "POWER" (especially in a bonded 6.5 bullet)? 🤣 Simply put, You Can't! 😭 This 0.277 Bullet also has a "Respectable" B.C. of 0.513 (But, give me a Hunting Bullet in that 270 caliber with the same weight and a B.C. of 0.2 to 0.3 higher, and watch out)! So, try even comparing that to the 30-06 (down range too) and tell me what you find Austin? The Answer is: That the 270 Winchester can "More Than Hang" with Any of these cartridges, which includes not only the 6.5 prc, but the Good Old 30-06 too! 🥇 Yep! 🤠

🤔 The Woodleigh Weldcore is a "World Renowned Bonded Large Game Hunting Bullet"! But, as we get More Heavy and High B.C. Bullets for the 270 Caliber and the 270 Winchester, Specifically (Which will give it a distinct advantage over the 30-06) , WATCH OUT ELK! ☠