Fair enough! We'll see how both of these do long term in a few years as severe use drivers will rack up the mileage and share their experiences with maintenance.

Agree! You can replace the entire 7.3 engine twice for the cost of an injection pump replacement out of warranty on the 6.7 . The 6.7 DPF/DOC cost the same as an entire 7.3 engine job.

My exact thought, even having worked for ford

Smart man.

In my mind Diesels are much better served by trading up every 5 years and always keeping them under warranty.

Glad to hear it! Definitely get more hauling with the gas, the diesel weighs a tonne!

Yeah, and I do so much in-town short trips and a short commute of 8 miles, so I think in the long run is have less issues with the emissions components on the 7.3 since I seldom get the truck out on the highway for any length of time, maybe once every two weeks, and tow an open car trailer once a month. The new 7.3 has me thinking since I have such niche needs. 🧐👍

Sounds like a nice truck !

Just test drove one and I can’t agree more

Hey, what was the payload and towing capacity on your 6.2? How about mpg difference? Thanks.

Glad to hear it! I’d have liked to do some towing with these, it’s something I have as a long term goal for this show.

32000#s ?

HOLY SHEEET! How many lbs was that over the tow rating on that truck? Like 17,000?

​@@SoonerMikeD even with pin weight, yeah, he was recklessly over capacity for the 6.2 SRW gasser (by nearly double). Only slightly over capacity for the 6.7 SRW powerstroke

@@sly9263 can a 6.2 srw gas truck really even move 32000 pounds???

Glad to hear it!

There's no doubt that emissions standards are a big problem with the overall reliability for these engines. Definitely good you had the warranty, but hopefully the new truck with the gas engine will work out well for you!

That's definitely true, and I think that's why the older diesels are still holding onto their value so well. OBS Super Duties are pretty expensive.

I've made so much coin off of dpf's over the years I'd never own one!

Thats a 2nd gen 6.7. 2020 is third gen 6.7ps.

I can’t imagine buying disposable gasoline monster. These modern diesels have most problems worked out and and diesel torque,operating rpm and fuel economy is incompatible with unjustifiable giant size gasoline.

@@matbob7249 Try running a diesel when it's 45 below zero vs a gas engine.

@@dundonrl I won't go were it gets 45 below. Fuck that🌴🌴🌴

@@jamescrawford8121 Good money in North Dakota, but when it's 3 degrees it sure makes me miss Hawaii!

Glad to hear it!

What is MPG?

@@txskid1 if you keep it at 65/70 16 mph. At 83 it gets 14.7. Highway

Of course it feels like a 1000 lb trailer isn’t there.. a Honda Civic can tow a 1000lb trailer.

@@Kben01 sorry missed a zero. 10k trailer.

Agreed! I mean when you add it all up that $8,000-ish premium over the gas is a lot. If I wanted a work truck that just needed a good haul rating I'd get the gas and sacrifice that sweet turbo whistle.

Glad to hear you've got one that's working out for you, and sorry to hear about the 6.4L that you had problems with, never fun having to deal with issues on a newer vehicle.

For what it's worth, I upgraded from an '11 powerstroke to a '20 7.3. I get the same mpg now as I did with the diesel. 12.5 towing, 16-17 unloaded, and I tow a 10,000# inclosed daily. I work and live in the mountains of N. Utah so there's a lot up, and down. The power pulling is seriously indistinguishable between the two, but the '20 does is much smoother about it.

Haha!

One could argue Cummins is too. :D

Agreed, and the arguments will never end either. You'll always have two camps rooted firmly in either fuel type, until we get the third option of all-electric. I can see that group of truck buyers also being very opinionated about their drivetrain choice.

I ran the numbers before buying my 6.7. Diesel maintenance is higher, fuel prices vary a lot, and gas vs. Diesel sometimes swap place for which is more expensive. Factoring all these, the cost savings are pretty much negligible. Even optimistically, it can take 400k+ to 500k miles before breakeven. One variable in cost DURING ownership is whether or not the gas engine will need to be rebuilt and its cost. Some articles state that the 6.2 can last 500k miles before rebuilding is necessary, and the 7.3's life should surpass that of the 6.2. Most people will replace their truck before then. This means a savings likely will not be realized DURING ownership However, savings with Diesels are more likely to be realized if they're calculated AFTER selling it because Diesel trucks fare much better in holding their value. I did not pay the cost premium with either selling it or savings in mind. The effortless ease with which the Diesel can tow trailers weighing much more than the truck itself, and do so with the engine RPM loafing, warranted getting it.

Our 7.3L diesel Excursion is 20 yrs old. Yet much better eng for a daily driver than Ford lesser choices bk then. The 5.4L3v Triton or V-10. My 7.3L 20 yr old diesel gets leaps & bounds better fuel econ. regardless of towing or not vs wt#. Our '96 Dodge 12V 1 ton Dually also gets fantastic mileage. 20+ mpg if u drive sensible. Ford 7.3L diesel in Heavy Excursion gets better mileage than my F150 thats several yrs newer. To say diesels are only good for making a living ...although true at its core. Is not without some variants to that catch phrase. Our old diesels dont use DEF & can be Emissions deleted in our area, but no need on these models built in '02 (Ford) & '96 for Dodge 1 ton - w/ZERO Computers & no eng management. Good mpg if u dont flog it. Took Ford a while to get F150's to the same mpg #'s vs either of these diesels. The cost of maintenance is more. Im excited to put historical plates on my '96 12V dually in January of 2021. As for the new 7.3L Gad-zooks-zilla. For most folks it will be better choice than the 'Kerosene Spreader' using DEF & such. Gotta say thou. The 6.7s now are actually very pwrful yet almost to quiet for me. I prefer some eng roar to stereo sound on shorter trips true town. Nothing I luv more than Ripping my 50th Anniversary '19 Bullitt Stang w/Active Exh. in Track Mode on city streets of our local twns. Makes an old guy feel young again. Now if Ford follows thru & puts this talked about 6.8L variant of the 7.3L Godzilla in some Mustang variants in next few yrs??. That will be something we will all wanna test drive or see reviews on. 414"+ cubic inches in a Mustang?? I smell a 429 "Super Cobra Jet" Badged car coming. I THINK calling it a "Boss 429" might be a stretch w/o a center plug head but kids today, Adults even.. Wouldnt know any difference what the Eng Design is vs its badged name plate while ghosting the past. Im cool w/either a Boss 9 car or a SCJ big block badged Mustang. Wife will never go for having both Bullitt & a 6.8L Zilla Stang in our stable. Since she cuts checks on all the insurance/property taxes on my 8+insured veh's we drive between 2 of us. I wrk from hm now. She drives only 10 miles. Jist glad Ford finally built a decent truck eng since thats avail as crate eng w/ numerous possibilities we havnt seen since the 429/460s of decades past. Buying the crate 7.3L Zilla from Ford @ $7800 & swapping into a '15+ S550 Stang thats would possibly be a more cost effective solution than a new $50k deal. Zilla might turn out to be bigger hit in a Mustang than a Super Duty? Lets hope!

Wasting money is a moot point, we all waste money one way or another. Going out to a restaurant and spending $50 for a meal you could have made at home for $15, is wasting money. I know food vs a truck isn't a fair comparison, but regarding wasting money, it holds. Some people buy what they need and some buy what they want. It's a waste of money in general for a lot of people who buy trucks these days. A lot of people don't tow and have 0 use for a truck, yet they have one,

Those older F-250/F-350s are worth quite a bit now, the OBS from the mid 90s are going up in price slowly. Even higher-mileage F-250s with the Power Stroke from 95-96 are asking upwards of $10,000 CAD out here. I'd hold onto it if I were him!

They couldn't sell extra engines if they last 1million miles

It was junk then ... and its junk now! Duramax, and Cummins are way better motors! Fuck that 7.3! Try pulling something with it...

Fair enough!

Ebay for my filter

@@brandonjohnson7851 I too get my filters from eBay, but I still wouldn't call them cheap and then there are a lot of owners that don't do their own maintenance then the costs at the dealership are other world crazy.

Those clips with the trailers were provided by Ford, though at some point I would like to be able to do my own trailer testing on this show.

Just the money saved on an oil is worth it.

@@gonz073 is it tho? I’ve never owned a diesel and went with the 7.3 bc of comments like yours. But after getting the truck I’m learning the oil changes are only 100-150 more than gas. That’s nothing all things considered…

The 7.3l powerstroke is lackluster at best when stock. However with a few performance modifications it wakes a bit.

It does not have more torque... the godzilla 7.3 has 475 lb ft of torque. The 7.3 powerstroke had 500-525 lb ft of torque. At least in the super duty trucks (99-03).

@@djntqd that’s the 2nd gen 7.3 psd.

@@nicolathonathan770 missed your "1st gen" part. My bad.

@@djntqd an extra $7-10k can get the Godzilla supercharged from 5star tuning. Depends on what tune you run, it puts out 700-1000hp and 600-900 ft lb torque. It’s not as torquey as the 6.7psd, but definitely enough for most folks. I’ll absolutely buy a diesel vehicle if they build it the way prior 2002. Modern diesel is a headache if you don’t make money off it.

Fair enough , thanks for sharing!

Gas bois have tiny cacks

@@billp.7208 Im all balls...lol

Evolution

😂

You might as well buy one semi you get your money From it and you can live in it. You buy one of these you wasted your money.

@Justin Henry you can do the same in a semi your 250 will be worthless in 5 years.

@@firstamendmenttshirt4768 lmao 2 different worlds of trucks buddy. funny theres tons of older 250s out on the road. i actually used to drive an 03 f250 5spd with the 5.4 and while it wasnt fast that truck was reliable and outlasted 3 2013 2500hds in our fleet pulling a freezer unit in the bed loaded up wall to wall with product.

The gas doesn't have a typical engine break, shifting down would be the only way.

@@bobbymaloney1059 The 7.3 is a pushrod V8, no turbos no gimmicks. Its an old school big block made with modern manufacturing techniques and fuel injection it should last forever. As for the tranny If they are using the Ford unit out of the F250 it is also a very strong reliable unit. Happy miles!

The 6.7 Powerstroke does not have timing belts.... It's chain driven

EV will kill both. But gassers will go first as on-road commercial vehicles with massive payloads and towing requirements will use diesel for many years to come.

@@cobra-he9xj okay bud

@@cobra-he9xj you really think that we’re going to do that

Def is 1.25 a gallon at the pump and I use about 20 gallons a year and the truck tows 15k miles a year. Had about 15 def diesels and had issues with none.

@@connorahlers3468 cool story kid. Until you look at the repair bill for ONE diesel and you will quickly realize why gas is superior. Even small problems cost thousands of dollars and a diesel engine itself costs 12-15k+ Gas engines. Even as big as a 7.3 doesnt even cost that much rofl.

I have ran a crane and heavy haul business for 10 years. I’ve seen more “big” diesel repair bills than most I’d imagine. I’m also telling you back when we ran 8.1’s and 454 1tons we went through transmissions and rear ends like tires. To each their own but for people that make money using these trucks it’s always going to be a diesel. The average consumer wants to know what’s better for them in the long run is what this is about. I am just simply letting you know that this point you’ve made is just that, your own.

@@connorahlers3468 nah gas is better.

Hope you enjoy it!

I ordered mine yesterday, I went f250 V10 in 09 then to RAM and now Tundra. I'm glad to be going back to F250 and I think Tremor will hold it's value. I might just order a new truck every winter and sell mine. I think long term the truck will cost 300 per month to own. I made money on all my trucks selling them after 18 month and under 20k miles.

Update us on the Tremor.

Fair enough!

If you’re not towing anything, and using the bed only you’d be better off with the gas engine.

Which one did you chose? I do junk removal with f250 6.2L and a 7k dump trailer 6.2mpg...

Definitely wide enough for me. Space on the modern pickup trucks is excellent. I'd still recommend trying it out for yourself as everyone has a different fit, but I was very comfortable in the Super Duty.

I think that’s partially why OBS F-250s and F-350s are going up in price, average asking price here in Quebec is about $10,000 CAD for one.

Yeah man I have the 7.3 diesel and its my fav

Well it’s hard to kill a motor when it never had that much power to begin with.

@@davidmorgan8612 my thoughts

Good choice!

naturist I was wondering the same.

They are not going to add cost and extra maintenance on the 7.3L. Btw "Ecoboost" is simply a turbo, or multiple turbos.

Naturist that will never happen. The reason is that is would make close to the same power as the diesel.

Aftermarket already developing superchargers

​@@mustangman4291980 In stock form, there is only a 45 HP difference between the 7.3 and 6.7. The addition of a turbo on the 7.3 would easily yield more HP than a stock 6.7. But it will never touch the 6.7's torque. So WHY would someone do this? Most people don't buy a pickup truck for drag racing. Furthermore, the cost of adding an aftermarket turbo, control systems to compensate for boost conditions, higher flow fuel pumps and additional cooling, will largely nullify the cost savings for having bought a gas engine. So, why would someone add a turbo for towing purposes? Lastly, adding an aftermarket turbo to the 7.3 will void the warranty, GREATLY reduce the number of shops that can service it in the event of a breakdown on the road, will pose headaches when trying to pass emission tests, and will REDUCE resale value (most buyers and dealerships are uninterested in buying vehicles which are substantially modified). I installed a turbo on a Camaro. It was a lot of fun. But I just don't see its function on today's pickup trucks, traveling long distances, to remote places, and towing good size trailers. For the truck's intended purpose, I want reliability, ease of maintenance, ease of service in the event of an issue, and ready parts availability should service be needed. All these attributes are best found in a stock engine.

I’ll see what I can do! At this point GM hasn’t brought any of their heavy duty pickups to their press fleet but we’ll see if they plan on doing so.

Good points!

Exactly! Your not going to get 20mpg with the diesel, no way. Hook a big ass 5th week to it and you’d be lucky to hit 10mpg

Hopefully I'll have some advice for you shortly down the road, as I'm going to be working a lot closer with these Super Duties moving forward! Either way enjoy your purchase once it arrives!

Definitely some potential for it. I imagine aftermarket tuners are going to have a blast with this new engine.

I mounted a Rajay turbo on a small block Chevy. It added power and torque. But, YIKES!. Even with the addition of a larger water radiator and the addition of an engine oil radiator, the engine oil temperature was much higher, as was the under-hood temperature. I also installed braided stainless hoses to be safe.

I saw an article a few days ago and someone put twin turbos on and changed the throttle body and got 1100hp

Look at a vid of its actual parts....they made it to handle 1500 hp it seems.....huge parts and push rods. There you go for power gains!

Glad to hear it!

Typically gasoline engines weigh less, meaning that weight can be used for hauling. We go into detail on this on a video we produced last year called Beginner’s Guide to Heavy Duty Pickup Trucks, if a truck has a gross vehicle weight rating of 10,000lbs and weighs 7,500 lbs you’re left with a haul rating of 2,500lbs.

@@PRNTestDrive wait you talk about weight of engine? Better get a dodge ram to save weight an keep it diesel.

I’m the Opposite way 😁

I hope you didn't get the setting on the side of the road option like I did, I going to gas for good unless they can get those POS emissions straight

@@marshallforeman2051 my 2012 has never let me down, although it's not a bone stock vehicle either...

waters everyone has what works for them.....I can pull a house down with mine. Or tow whatever I want, the joy of having choices

Haha! Very true.

Those costs easily add up, plenty of reasons to go with the gas!

8k premium vs 7.3 (still a lot)

Same boat with my 2016 f250 6.7. Love it to death, but everything about it is more money in-fuel and maintenance.

I'd say the diesel would probably work out better with the torque, but TFLtruck does some excellent trailer testing and I believe they've done some specifically with the two Super Duty engines over the past year or so.

You shouldnt be having any trouble going up hills with that. You gotta let it rev. The engine is designed to rev if you give her throttle and just drive it will handle the rpms and you wont drop speed. I have a gd travel trailer that is 7500 lbs and have no issues at all climbing mountains. Deffinatly not running at only 35 or 40 mph

Sometimes the older technologies are the ones that end up being the most reliable.

Pushrod V8 with a deep skirted block, like a GM LS....I want one

Justin Henry I never said the LS was the first deep skirt block

The old 7.3 diesels made less power per liter than a 95 4 banger ranger 😂

That's very true that you likely won't get the fuel savings back with the diesel. It's something we've discussed several times on our show when talking about diesels, specifically when we did the Chevy Cruze diesel and Mazda CX-5 diesel. You also need to factor in the cost of DEF, and the repairs associated with it if they fail. Normally the types of people getting into a brand-new truck are leasing them for 2-3 years, so overall maintenance costs aren't as big of a problem, but 5-10 years down the road they will certainly add up for the second or third buyers.

The diesel truck will still be worth at least $10k more in 10 years when you decide to sell it. Diesels hold their value very well if maintained.

@@GopherFix if they haven't thrown a rod by then lmao

Now it's $2+ more a gallon

I'd love to find one to review! Finding them for sale are tough, almost all by owner and everyone wants $10k+. It's on my list.

Not even close.

The Big Three have been racing upwards for more power, more towing, and ultimately more bragging rights on these trucks for a very long time now. It seems like every year one of them takes the lead in terms of numbers.

Any additions to either engine would void the warranty, but there certainly is potential with the 7.3L gas engine to improve it with the use of turbos or a supercharger. I know some examples exist out there, but adding more power through boost likely won't do much to improve the towing capacity, and as you mentioned your warranty will be void meaning you're on the hook for any issues.

Forced induction increases both horsepower and torque. It also depends on the tune you use

Reliability too

And cheaper to manufacture.

Thankfully Ford decided to pass the cost-savings on to the end user if the 7.3L is cheaper to manufacture going with this engine design.

Jonathan Windham Nope

LF X You do realize a 4-valve version of this 7.3 would shit on the pushrod 7.3 version at every RPM point right? Low end torque is thanks to the displacement. Ford went pushrod on the 7.3 because it’s cheaper, period.

Expensive to maintain.

@@karlsracing8422 Yeah the 7.3L gas engine probably is but it hasn't been out long enough to know. The 6.7L diesel however is the complete opposite of expensive to maintain. Its not even broke in until 150k miles.

@@dustingre8 you literally know NOTHING if you think a diesel is cheap to maintain.

Flag Ov Hate honestly have you put an actual number on the expense difference? I’m tired of seeing these videos comparing the 7.3 to 6.7. Of course the 6.7 is moderately expansive to maintain it takes 13 quarts of oil. Don’t buy a diesel if you don’t want the slightly higher cost for a ton more power.

knock on wood, I reckon, but I literally have not seen where the diesel is "so expensive" to maintain. 99% of the issues on a diesel are fuel system ... or now that DPF power-robbing/cost-increasing to operate apparatus. those coil packs aren't cheap on the gasser. 75K-100K ... replacing those costs more than the 2nd battery of the diesel. $500 for a danged "tune up" treat yer turbo properly (cool down before shutdown) and the diesel is superior in every way. It IS amazing none of the big 3 have an electric oil pump to prevent coking. They're not cost prohibitive, especially for a mass production. But that'd violate the prime directive of "designed obsolescence."

same trim package with gas will have 700 more pounds of payload. Diesel motor weights that much more than the gas motor.

Lol!

I haven't had any issues with the press trucks I've driven so far, I will say that the transmission can get a little lost if you're cruising then decide to hammer the throttle, however it's typical with these larger transmissions. We have a viewer who bought a 2019 F-150 Limited with the 10 speed and so far he hasn't had any problems!

I have a 2020 and have not had any issues yet. That being said its still being broken in.

I have the 7.3 liter w the 10 speed in my F350 and a 10 speed in my Mustang. Haven't had an issue with either.

They are having issues. GM and Ford partnered up to build it and GM is out. They're going back to an 8 speed

The 10 speed in my 2018 f150 hesitates then jumps up to the next gear it only happens in the lower gears. I don’t like the 10 speed.

Glad to hear it!

Fair enough!

I don’t say pulling, I say hauling.

Listen to the section, it sounded like you said "towing diesel, pulling is gas"

Doesn't sound that way to me, either way though I've clarified it for you.

Oh boy what ever will I do with myself now.

PRN_TestDrive glad you commented could of pinned it though

Great questions, the turbo option would be interesting to see however I believe there are a number of aftermarket options already for it. As for the cost of fuel over time, that's going to be key. We did a similar cost comparison a year ago when we featured the Ford Explorer Hybrid, it would take you about 8 years to make back the difference in fuel savings by spending the extra $5k on the hybrid. Let's use Wheels.ca's testing on the fuel economy, they got 13.6L/100km in the PowerStroke, 19.3L/100km with the 7.3L Gas engine. (www.wheels.ca/car-reviews/first-drive-2020-ford-super-duty/) The average cost as of typing this for fuel in my town, in Quebec Canada is $1,33.9 for diesel, and $1,34.1 for regular. Let's say you drive both trucks for 100,000kms, you'd spend $18,210.40 for diesel for that distance, $25,881.30 for regular fuel. So to make back the $10,000 price difference on these numbers you'd have to drive about 150,000km.

I’ll see what I can do!

PRN_TestDrive reason why I ask is because I have been looking to get a f250 for quite some time. Im currently a mobile mechanic and drive around a 2017 f250 with the 6.2 and has been a very reliable powerful plant in my opinion. I was set on getting a super duty with the 6.2 but once the 7.3 was released my curiosity began to rise. I’m mainly concern is it worth paying extra for the 7.3 or is the 6.2 just as good?

@@nathanielmontalvo1051 wouldnt be much of a review. That 6.2 is an absolute piece of garbage! That motor can barley pull those trucks around much less any payload. We have several work truck with them, you mash the gas the engine revs up and you still not going any faster. I would advise avoiding at all costs.

@@wildcatoutdoors lol. I tow 13,000 lbs with my 6.2, 3.73s on 35s and yas its no rocket ship but she gets it around without any issue. Could definitely use lower gears but in the 100k I've had the truck I've towed up some stupid steep hills and it gets it done every time

Vlad cccp are they really that bad? The company I work for only run 6.2 super duties and all we have ever done to them is put batteries in them. No issues. That’s what’s got me interested in them. They seem to drive smooth and have good power.

Fair enough!

No doubt! Someone else commented with roughly how much gas you guy buy for that $10k price tag, here in Canada it would be about 9,800L of fuel.

Towing with the diesel is a walk in the park compared to the high revving gasser and the added bonus of 25-30% increase in fuel economy. Here diesel is only .10 higher than gas!

Ha odd. Diesel has been within 10 cents around here for the last year or so....my diesel (deleted) gets 19.5 as compared to my eco boost 12.5. Oil changes aren’t that much more expensive if you buy in bulk as we do on the farm 🤷‍♂️ haven’t had a single issue on a 17 6.7 with 82000 bought new. I’ve had the f150 in for several small bugs. As for the 7.3 the gas mileage on that will be even worse making my 19.5 city avg that much better

@@bustersharman8115 Sign up with a diesel discount card and you can get diesel for .10-.20 cents/gallon UNDER gas prices.. Two days ago I filled up and it cost me $1.86/gallon for diesel..

As a long time diesel owner I am always confused when I hear some of these arguments against diesel. Over all cost of fuel you probably breaking even as the diesel get much better mileage - non issue. Maintenance cost aren't that much higher like some would want you to believe, I pay $101 (US) for and oil change and tire rotation from the dealer and occasional fuel filters - to me it's a non issue. DEF is another non issue that probably cost about a $.01 per gallon of fuel. And no, not everybody has emissions problems. Yes they are expensive and I'm on my third diesel (2nd with modern emissions) and still love them. And someday when you decide to trade her in for the next truck whether it be gas or diesel you will get a much higher trade in value getting the majority of that premium back. And for those of us who tow heavy, how can you put a price on the enjoyment of stress free towing that the gas won't? Some people are ok with high revving engines, i'm not one of them. Another benefit is you have a much longer towing range with diesel and you can use the truck stops for fuel which beats trying to find a gas station with a 40' rig behind you.

Nice!

That... would be an endeavor

Haha! I'll be curious though how this engine gets modified down the road, I'm sure there's a lot of potential to tune the power up. Supercharger!

Here you go - performanceparts.ford.com/part/M-6007-73

@@lmychajluk If you're going to modify a sports car by stuffing a 7.3 into it, might as well modify the 7.3 as well. Naturally aspirated, they're now claiming 790 HP, and double this with the addition of a supercharger. www.motor1.com/news/443713/ford-godzilla-v8-dyno/

problems with the powerstroke? That aren't related to emissions??? I doubt it. I've had two (7.3 and 6.7) know dozens with PSDs (except 6.0 (late 03-07) guys, we don't associate with them! LOL) ... no engine problems. The cab did need removing when I installed ceramic manifolds and 4" exhaust on the 7.3 ... but that was EASIER that stabbing an eng/trans back into the chassis. Literally 20 minutes 6 body bolts, handful of canon plugs, park brake cable, and steering shaft. BAM.

Not bad at all! The supply shortage on new vehicles is forcing dealers to pay more for used vehicles. It's great to make a good return on selling, but if you also have to buy a new vehicle it's not ideal.

The gas would be fine then, it's more than capable and you'll save a lot in fuel, and maintenance down the road.

Diesel is definitely the way to go for towing, it's why Ford only offers the Power Stroke for the F-450 as we featured a couple weeks after this video went live.

PRN_TestDrive and Ford offers the gasser for the F-650

@TheGoat I’m not sure your right about that. A lot of consumers buy HD trucks to pull there camper once a year.

Not too bad!

No kidding 😂

I'd assume the gas, someone has probably tested this though.

@@PRNTestDrive ok so is there a ford f-350 tremor 7.3 gas v8?

If those gassers are 6.0’s with 6l90’s, you won’t find a better gas 3/4 ton produced even today

Nope.

DEF is not a lot of trouble. My 17' 6.7 uses less than 1 gallon every 1k miles. With a 7.5 gallon tank it's not an issue.

Jeff Brown -And every diesel requires DEF these days.

Probably lol

Depends on your area. Here in Quebec diesel prices have fluctuated quite a bit. During 2020 the price didn’t go down, but near the end of the year it was a bit cheaper than regular gas. Now it’s a bit more than regular gas.

Depends on how and where you drive it. In-town? Maybe not but it'll depend. On the highway the diesel shines as a fuel efficient option.

I know right!!! Drop 60-70k on a truck then another 15k to make it “good”...so awesome

I don't disagree!

Depends what you're going to use it for I'm going to tell you that from a experience already.

Yeah but the gas engine will die long before 250,000 miles.

@@billp.7208 I disagree I know a couple engines close and above 300k.

@@nicoctane1669 a couple. That's hilarious. I can show you DOZENS of half million mile diesel engines.

I believe that’s why Ford went with this engine design, maximize long term reliability while still producing something that has the power buyers need.

They made their engine like a Chrysler v8

I would too if I had one!

Weak pos

@@MrCherrygrovedude you probably like LLY duramaxes

"How does the posi-track on a Plymouth work? .....it just *DOES."*

that's 7.5 L

I want the Excursion to make a return. Ford could easily come out with a concept using the F-250's frame with the new F-150 cab and the rear compartment off the Expedition.

Depends on how you drive either one of them.

People are very opinionated when it comes to pickup trucks. Same is true between brands or generations of trucks. At the end of the day you should buy what you need, not buy something based on what other people tell you is 'right' for themselves.

So how long does a diesel motor. Especially an older one last?

I had as of Sunday morning a nice 2003. Ford f 150, 4wheel drive, w titan motor and all the bells and whistles..until a Semi. Took him from me...a little rust. But ran like a top..lots of get up and go... im looking at a 1999 super duty xlt.. diesel... ya it's a monster.. but price is the issue..and safety...my Truck saved my life..

100% chance you drive a RAM