Do the Nah and Inigo support. You know you want to.

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Maybe they should have given the endgame characters more character supports. Y'know. Like how they did in the Hot Springs DLC?

IS pretty much only cares about the popular fanfaves and gives them the dlc extra stuff. Hence why the 4 most present and future characters gets those convos. I really would like to see more aversa and hell any of the underdeveloped robin sexuals getting developed but no its all about that lucina

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Yarne's supports are soooooo riveting. Especially all the C supports which basically start exactly the same.

Henry Gutierrez I'm not too fond of Yarne's supports either but at least he isn't abusive..

@@EJKraft No he's submissive, and it gets old really fast. Such a shame. I thought he had the best design in all of Awakening when I first saw him.

I agree. Awakening and Fates both have an issue where lots the supports focus on one of the character's tropes without looking into other aspects of their personality, which makes lots of characters come off as very one-dimensional. In other cases, a character's supports can completely contradict each other (Eg Nah) or ignore things from other supports (eg Peri). There are several good support chains, but every character is basically guaranteed to have at least one, or in many cases more, awful supports. Luckily they really stepped up the support game in echoes, and I feel that the S supporting and sheer amount of pair up options might have been partially responsible for some of the poor writing in Awakening and Fates. You learn more about Python as a character in just 3 supports than you learn about most Awakening/Fates characters in far more than that. Nah's just the character I bring up since while she has some great supports with Male Morgan (probably others too) her supports with the characters I mentioned are beyond awful-she's far from the only character in Awakening with bad support conversations!

EJKraft awates (lets call it that for lazyness sake) did have a bit of quantity over quality, but still felt like we got a lot more good than bad, with them fleshing them out a lot more than I feel people give them credit for. Let’s also not pretend every character’s support chain was gold in the older games. I am also gonna respectfully disagree and say echoes supports where a step back from awates, in both quantity, and quality. Quantity: most character can support with just another one (with exceptions of course), making it amazingly restrictive, and some choices you would expect to support, cannot, like Jesse (the LADIES MAN) cannot support with any female (???). Now this would be okay if the quality made up for it, but- Quality: most of the supports feel like small talk, that doesn’t change or develop the characters; now I myself am not asking for every support to be bible length worth of development, I am more than happy with small talk/chit chat/shooting the shit supports, but they make the majority of the supports of echoes, which I find extra annoying as they are so few of them in the first place and I find severely hampers the characters who don’t play an active, continues role in the main story. Awates had balanced the amount of serious development and the chit chat numbers much more than echoes.

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Funnily enough the male support is actually the one that has more wrong with it. It might be more pleasant to sit through and offer the better ending for Aversa, but the second one is what I think most of us would do.

@Jared Vollmer He only needed a support with Say'ri

I'd argue that the rivalry between Aversa and Robin makes more sense. Let's not forget that Aversa was just that a villain so it is unlikely that they'd become best friends overnight. Or that Robin would instantly trust Aversa. Not only that but I think that a lot of people don't realize that Male and Female Robin do not have the same personality. Male Robin is actually very awkward, a trait that's compounded by him being a bit of an introvert. He's prone to being teased and pushed around a bit, and why a lot of his supports have him trying to change characters before understanding them. Hence Aversa teasing him before telling him her life's story. Female Robin is more outgoing, and also more observant. Hence why her unique supports have her first attempting to understand the person that she's talking to rather than change them. Which is why she's able to call Aversa out so quickly. And Aversa isn't one to back down from a challenge hence their friendly rivalry.

@@brightlight8852I always thought of male Robin being the support bear-care-type of guy that you just kinda love because he comes over as super cuddly and helpful. (Although he can get tough if he needs to). Female Robin is kinda prickly and sassy. She doesn't let herself be shoved around and usually is the one harrassing people (Lonqu support.. why was she throwing fiqs at him anyway? xD)

@@Aurirang Really to me, Male Robin comes across as boring with a lot of his supports being very formulaic, overly simplistic, and even cliche. His support with Chrom for instance is literally a just friendship speech with is the most overused cliche in any piece of media. She threw the figs because she was trying to get Lon'qu to lighten up and not be so awkward around her. Basically she was trying to break the ice.

@@brightlight8852 Well, that's kinda what their relation is after all; Friendship. He also somehow managed to become more dotty over Chrom than Frederick which kinda is an achievement. But i agree this is one of m!Robins weaker supports. Maybe i'm not smart enough to see how throwing fiqs at a person would get him to lighten up in the first place. She eventually succeeds for the supports sake, but it's kinda.. wierd.

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Ok I am so curious about who you think is the worst of the "Robinsexuals" since my two favourite avatar pairings are with Gangrel and Yen'fay lol

@@princeapoopoo5787 Gangrel and Yen'fay are... okay. The M!Robin supports have a more serious tone and delve a little deeper into their characterization. So it's still a case of F!Robin's supports being treated as a joke, but in this instance it's a tasteful joke, a slightly lighter tone and just a tiny touch less depth. No, the worst offender is Flavia, because the joke they decided to give *that* one is F!Robin having a gay panic. EDIT: Yen'fay's a legit snack tho.

@@n.l.g.6401 To be fair, I only ever played a female because I always prefer female player characters in games ( seriously, I have eleven female player characters to seven males in the dragon age games ) so honestly I wouldn't know how much better male!avatar supports are. I am definitely disappointed in Flavia/F!Avatar so I agree with you on that... I'm also one of the few people who seems to hate Chrom/F!Avatar so there's that too lmao ( Yeah I love Yen'fay (and Gangrel!) so maybe I'm just biased lmao )

f!Robin + Chrom "oh we saw each other naked, we can marry now" every girl gonna hate me for saying that, but somehow a lot of women like that? oh well.

Even that's better than this support, because there's a line where Aversa shows that she's aware of Loki's power and is rightfully fearful of what she can do. That's at least something compared to this dumpster fire. Also, unlike the Robin support, Aversa and Loki actually have an example of working together as they free Kiran from their captors, so there's a logical and sensical middle and end.

This is the same character that got mad at Chrom when SHE walked in on him bathing, so tbh this wasn't surprising at all

@@mycatboo3152 why do people like her again?

Fem Robin was generally a lot spicier than Male Robin in the dialogue they don't share, which is why I like Male Robin a bit better

There was a really good support between Robin and Virion that was focused on a chess like strategy game. It was about how Virion beat Robin in a war game scenario but did so at the cost of the majority of his forces. Robin questioned his/her ability to lead, but Virion assured Robin that because Robin cared about people's lives was the very reason why he/she was qualified to be the army's tactician. Try not to judge all Awakening's supports (which are mostly really good) by the few lazy ones.

@@andresmarrero8666 Because not everyone likes to have a characters that are automatically nice to everyone. It's pretty boring.

There are two ways to take your statement, and depending on which way you go, we could have a problem. If you mean because Awakening has so many supports, there are a bunch that are bound to be worse or lazily written, then yes I would agree there are a lot of sub par supports by virtue of there being an absolute ton of them. The other way your comment can be taken is the one I'm hoping you are not trying to communicate, because your statement can be read as, "the majority of Awakening's supports suck," which I would categorically and fundamentally disagree with. Awakening has some of the best supports in the entire franchise like M!Robin and Cordelia, Lon'qu and Cherche, M!Robin and Sumia, F!Robin and Chrom, Robin and Virion, etc.... A lot of the supports connect deeply to character growth moments and connect to the main themes of the game, so I certainly hope you aren't trying to generalize Awakening's supports as a whole.

@@kcsupersonic1 Awakening has a pretty decent variety of good supports, so the bad ones stand out more easily. Starting off with something from say Fates or Echoes would be almost redundant because the standard of the supports are already low, with many of the supports being bad in pretty similar ways. What more is there to say about the forced S supports in Fates or the pointless supports of Echoes

Echoes' supports are all beyond amazing, some of them are really deep, but all of them are different and add something to their character You do not need to end with something like a paired ending to have a good support, calling them "pointless" is just completely misunderstanding them

@@Mattroid99Read this for me and tell me it wasn't exactly 100% pointless C support Silque: Hello, Faye. Faye: Oh, Silque! We seem to keep running into each other here on the battlefield. Silque: Yes, well, I was hoping we could get to know each other better. There are so few of us women fighting alongside Sir Alm, after all. And there are many things I wish to talk about that aren't for the ears of men. Faye: Well, um... I don't think that kind of friendship is for me. Sorry. Silque: Huh? Faye: I'd rather spend time near Alm than stand about gossiping. No offense. Anyway... Good luck, I guess! Faye leaves Silque: What in Mila's name just happened? B support Silque: Faye! There you are! Faye: Hello again, Silque. You sure are persistent. Silque: I would like to make a proposal. If you don't like gossip, why don't we talk about Sir Alm? He's something we can bond over, don't you think? Faye: Talking about Alm isn't fun unless Alm himself is there. Look, it's okay. Not everyone has to be friends, right? Faye leaves Silque: Faye? ...Faye? *sigh* I've lost her again... A support Faye: Hello, Silque. Silque: Faye? I thought you'd never speak to me again. Faye: Weeeell... After you stopped approaching me, I realized I kinda... miss your company. I guess I needed a friend after all. Sorry I was so rude. Silque: Oh, it's all right. It's just nice to feel missed. And now we can finally talk! Faye: Hee hee. You're a good person, Silque, even if your tongue does like to wag. I'm still not one for gossip, but I would like to know more about you. Maybe we can talk again soon? Silque: That would be lovely!

@@CarbonMalite It shows Faye's difficulty with other women. She has always been with boys for her entire life, and mainly because of Alm. She's not used at making bew friends, and Silque's arguments for conversation are something she has never talked about. Silque has pretty passive role in this support, but is really interesting from Faye's side nonetheless.

I second this.

Oh dang, 44 likes. That's more than usual lol.

And that her excuse for joining you is stupidly written?

@@AkameGaKillfan777 All of the villains joining your party is pretty stupid.

@@grandarkfang_1482 I think Aversa's was the poorest written. I did like Walhart's though because he was very much trying to stop Validar from ahem, AWAKENING, Grima's power. There was always more to him than just "I'm a bad guy doing bad things, nyahahahahahahahahaaaaaa!" In my opinion at least.

I wouldn't lump Awakening in with Fate's lousy writing. The vast majority of the Awakening supports are good, and in fact Ghast even pointed out how good the M!Robin and Aversa support was.

@@kcsupersonic1 I actually agree with you 100%, but iunno, maybe I'm still jaded with the way Awakening was treated pre-Fates ¯\_(ツ)_/

A lot of her supports are really mediocre, just look at chroms support in a nutshell "oh we saw each other naked, we can marry now" every girl gonna hate me for saying that, but somehow a lot of women like that? oh well, sometimes it makes me think that people like more f!robin than m!robin just because.... she is female? I dont know seems odd to me thats it sounds that I am kinda salty xD, but I like waaay more f!Corrin than m!Corrin and her supports are better than him (except with azama).

@@dezlovecraft5247 I'm a little lazy, so I don't want to try summarizing my post on this topic from the first time I posted this so please bear with me. My base argument is that I disagree fully with you or anyone who has a problem with F!Robin and Chrom's support because people fundamentally misunderstand what it is getting at. The C support is about establishing that Chrom may be noble in birth, but is not noble in action or perception. He doesn't see people as more or less important because they act like a 'lady,' or not. It also established that Chrom is a bad conversationalist, he does not know how to properly convey his words even to someone he considers a close advisor and friend. Conversely, for Robin, she feels a bit embarrassed at the fact that someone she admires and respects does not see her as a woman. It makes her feel a bit awkward and self conscious, but she understands Chrom didn't intend harm because it wasn't like she ever saw him as some high and mighty gentleman king. You are also meant to understand that the two have a mutual friendship before this whole mess started because they had been fighting together for a while now. The B support establishes how dense Chrom can be and that his mind really doesn't fixate on women. That isn't something that has ever been on his mind, especially when involved with a war going on around him. He stumbles into Robin in a compromising position for her, and she reacts accordingly, and in doing so, Robin understands that Chrom really just is not the type of person who judges a person's value based on how they act or what they look like. It was never his intent to compromise her. Chrom is embarrassed at his colossal blunder, but is beginning to see what he truly admires about Robin, the fact that Robin is smart, practical, and quick to forgive. This makes him awkward as he tries to say goodbye. While the B support was about Chrom realizing Robin's value to him, the A support is about Robin figuring out what Chrom means to her. This time, Robin makes a mistake and still a little self conscious about what happened before she lashes out even though she is in the wrong. She actually hurts Chrom in this exchange and like Chrom was before is thoroughly embarrassed about how she reacted, but Chrom responds to her with understanding and forgiveness. Chrom makes a joke about them being closer than ever now because of the experience to cut off the tension, but that statement also communicates that Chrom doesn't value Robin for her femininity, he values her for the bond they share. Robin responds in kind, affirming that their bonds and trust with one another will be a great asset in battle, thus establishing that both Robin and Chrom have high value to one another. Finally the S support completes the story by once again showing Chrom's painful inability to state what is on his heart. Robin confronts him on why he has been so distant lately despite being the one who affirmed the strength of their bonds. It is only when Chrom stops trying to act like he has the situation all together that he is finally able to freely admit that their bonds have grown with each other to the point where he can't ignore what is on his heart. Their relationship has grown to the point where he views her as the woman he holds most dear in his life. He always knew he had a special bond with her, but his experiences have brought him to the point where he can no longer deny how much she means to him. Robin reminds him of their duty and the cause that they are fighting for, but acknowledges that she loves and admires him to, and while now might not be the time for Chrom X Robin to be a thing, if they continue to support one another, they believe a time of peace will come where they can follow their hearts and be with one another. If you read into the subtleties, it actually becomes a really powerful support about seeing beyond bodily worth. What really makes a relationship is the bonds you share with the other, not whether or not they are a paragon of what it means to be a gentleman or lady. A true relationship can only form, when both sides have no pretenses about what the other should be and accept each other for who they are.

@@kcsupersonic1 I fully disagree with your argument, and let’s say you are right (which you don´t), then this support futher why I like M!Avatar better. This makes F!Avatar just look like a mean jerk all the time while also switching off her brain on interpretation (C) and logic (A), which is odd for a steemed tactician. B is understandable considering Chrom takes his time to leave and she'd be flustered without anywhere else to go, but the other parts irk me, like the walking in on someone naked thing one of the worst anime trope´s out there (I don’t need to defend this point either). I didn't like "I respect you so much I forgot you're a woman" with Bartre and Karla and I don't like it here neither. It's a shit way to show a character respects another character. He’s attempting to tell her that he likes her because, unlike the shallow, noble ladies of the Ylissean court, F!Robin is more than just her looks. Uh, and this wording of yours comes off as kinda awkward on your part, considering Maribelle is a character in the game. In fact, the Shepherds are all nobles, if I remember right, so aren't Sumia and Miriel also nobleladies? And somehow chrom acts different on Robin? I don’t blame the characters I blame the writers, and you are bending their reality a lot. C support: Robin threatens to hit Chrom over the head with a book. B support: Robin calls Chrom a "Slack-Jawed village idiot" (He deserves that, He did walk in on her while she was bathing after she told him to stay outside. Whether he heard her correctly or not is irrelevant, from her perspective he was completely in the wrong). A support: Robin throws rocks at Chrom. So basically, Robin threatens to abuse Chrom, then Robin verbally abuses Chrom, then she actually abuses Chrom. The entire support is nothing but one character going out of their way to hurt the other over every minor thing, even when its the fault of them. There is no way that is a good support.

She’s a tease

I think there's more to gain from criticizing Awakening's since the characters have a lot more to work with on average. You can screw up a Robin support in many ways, but you can only realistically screw up a Roy/Lyn support in one or two ways unless you're that incompetent that you screw up such basic character concepts, in which case it becomes unworthy of mention. Kind of a Corrin situation, just low hanging fruit.

He's a legend

I didn't even notice while watching😂

prince apoopoo

Umm... what's wrong with that, exactly...? Two unpretentious, salt-of-the-earth types bond readily over a simple pleasure. It's nothing Oscar-worthy, but it's entirely serviceable.

Try Mozu and Xanders.. They go from mutual respect to suddenly boom, marriage. (Not to mention that it makes zero sense for the Norian Crown prince to marry a hoshidian farmer girl.) If the support would ahve ended at A, i'd say: cute support, perfectly fine. But the S-Support completely ruins it.