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this movie is going to be studied so hard by film classes, movie buffs, film clubs, etc. there are just so many layers to be talked about.

Waymond is Nietzsche’s yes-sayer in the movie; he understands that life has thrown him into a chaotic world he doesn’t fully understand and will face tragedy. Regardless of what happens, he embraces it willingly and charges head forward.

Is movie is a masterpiece. It’s still hard to believe it exists.

i certainly felt a lot of parallels with absurdism from this movie

I love this movie, often times when a story touches on a multiverse it always forget about the inherent nihilism it brings, either “big bad wants to destroy the multiverse” or “we need help from other universes”, but this one is different it’s beautiful story about the harsh reality of living, exploring the human condition, the cure to nihilism, the importance of being kind, all the while is packed with a healthy amount of humor and drama

To me, one of the many points this film makes is that nihilism doesn't have to be a negative or undesirable philosophy. By accepting that nothing has any inherent meaning, you are free to find meaning in whatever actually matters to you. If you despise nihilism, it's probably because you are convinced that your own delusional beliefs are universally meaningful and important, and nihilism therefore must be bad and wrong

Great take on the film. I'm not so sure connecting with nature and community is quite the panacea its made out to be. For some of us, the internet and modernity, that swimming in the infinite is incredibly rewarding and enlivening. I feel no need to be the greatest anything. Uniqueness is a combination, not a competition. We can't help but all be unique, its intrinsic to our nature. Trying to be exactly the same is more of a struggle. I see the world as meaningless in the sense of the film, that when you look at everything all at once, all together, then nothing can have meaning. Our lives are not infinite, not eternal, not everything. We are tiny specks. But I don't think we were ever meant to be more than that, so why not revel in what is close, what is present, what is at hand. Love what you can touch sense and feel. I like the internet as I can touch, feel and interact with so much more than without it, but I don't ever hope to touch or feel it all, I pick and choose what I like. There is no one true ultimate meaning. But there are infinite small, interesting, and uncertain meanings all around us for us to engage in during out finite but yet rich lives.

Thank you for this great video. I haven't heard of this movie before and this video convinced me to watch it someday. The idea of love being a solution to nihilism is something I have experienced myself. I had a though time finding my place in the world, while my friends and relatives fit, in what felt like a snap of the finger. Went through years of mental anguish till found a book called "Radical Acceptance" by Tara Brach, which basically suggested the same things with some more extra steps.

Amazing analysis of what is perhaps my favorite movie of all time! I have noticed many of these things before, but it doesn't matter, because you talk about the ideas in a unique way. I love what this movie represents, and it's so authentic, funny, entertaining, heartfelt and meaningful!

Excellent commentary!, deeply thoughtful and appreciated.

Thank you so much for this in-depth analysis; I found it fascinating, and it gave me much to think about.

Thankyou for your insights into this wonderful story and its deeper aspects

Everything is meaningless but in a word where nothing matters the beauty of the world is the absurdity of it. We all are stupid, living in a mortal time-line customizing our character and personality. Day and night the loop goes on but the absurdity of having to wake up just to sleep after 12hr-14hr is the what makes the this absurd life thrilling. Because it's not just us everyone everywhere did the same thing felt the same thing. But we all did a different thing each day and each nigh. The entropy of unpredictable makes each day a unique experience However repetitive it is. And when we finally take a look out of the box in third person view you actually see that you are not alone. I have 64 questions assignment for my chemistry just this morning yet here I am watching this video procrastinating my last hours. But that's the beauty of the absurd situation. Nothing matters not even this work in a grand scheme but even a small action of fulfilling your duty for your future self or others it can change tomorrow. That's the true absurdity and unpredictable world we live in despite patterns and evolution or resilience nature of everything there will always be entropy to everything which will roll the dice to bring something in nothingness. Idk what I am writing its 5in the morning and I still haven't gotten up my bed. And here I am spending 10min of the day just to write a comment on a video posted 11days ago. - _ -

If nothing truly matters, then let's choose what matters to us. To me that's the answer to the collective crisis of meaning in the internet age. And there is no wrong answers. God? your pet? even if it's a poisonous spider? your cooking, even if no one else can stomach it? your family, or your distance from your family. Everyone may choose their own, and everyone is right. If you see our brothers and sisters out there lost in nihilism, help them. Reach out, help them find something that matters to them. Treat others with an understanding that you may not know what's precious to them, and may not understand if they explain it. And that's okay. That difference is what makes this world such a beautiful mix of everything. Why the bagel that is our world hasn't collapsed in on itself.

Absolutely brilliant analysis. I myself integrate the Multiverse in my spirituality - even focused my second book on it - and the implications of Nihilism are always paramount to observe and act against.

Amazing video and breakdown!

Especially great video, James!

Great video! I enjoyed it very much

the bagel as a circle symbolizes unending speculation repeating of joy and pain. like you said in the end of the video that it only gives us a starting point but cannot solve it ultimitly. to me watching the movie, toward the end it gaved me a feeling that the familily is only been blinded by the sudden realization of joy from love, but still, later in their life, like the circle they will soon loose that joy, regain pain and repeat. thats why i felted like that the movie is trying their best to find a happy ending that acually does not really exist, but it makes sense since is human nature to give ourself hope and joy.

Thank you for taking the time and effort to make and deliver this. I hope more people get an opportunity to enjoy the depth of thought and insight you bring to your analysis of the film. And you have all my respect for the position you take at the end.

Hello, just discovered your channel. Congratulations for your work and effort. The title of this video reminded me, one of my favourite philosophers, Parmenides. There is a passage that goes like this: ουδέ ποτε ην, ουδέ εσται, επεί νυν εστι ομού παν εν συνεχές. Translates like: never was never will be, because now is everywhere equally one and continuous. I would love to see a video about Parmenides philosophy. Thank you.

This is an excellent analysis - thanks for sharing your wisdom

My mother and I watched this movie together. And like a lot of movies that have such a theme, we realized we slotted into Evelyn and Joy/Jobu's roles. My deceased grandma is Evelyn's father, and Waymond we thought matched our Cat Our Cat is absolutely a goofy, carefree dude. He's unlike many other cats that we had in our care, and he makes us laugh so much. During the watching of this film. I feel it finally made my mother realize. That she never faced the prospect that she's faced the fact that she has Queer children, and that she feels residual shame her mother beat into her. Regarding the LGBTQ+ community My grandma was incredibly homo-phobic and viciously enforced such viewpoints onto the family. To the point where my mom and aunt felt shame and frustration in having healthy female friendships. When the movie ended, she just turned to face me and told me that she loved me. And that she was sorry that she didn't stand up to my grandma and uncle, to protect us from their abuse And watching Joy, made me realize. That I had shut out my mother, because she was busy with everything. Busy with keeping us afloat (single mom), busy with maintaining her health, busy with this and that. That I thought she wouldn't be interested in hearing about my experiences with dealing with being Bisexual, and how I haven't been able to form healthy romantic connections with anyone. I've been Joy. I've built my own Everything Bagel and wished I could just cease to exist. But like Evelyn, my mother met me halfway and let me know. That she loves me We've been seeking family counciling now, and we've been reminiscing on the History and Intergenerational trauma that's come about because of American Colonization efforts on our Tribes. How the breaking down of our Traditional family structures, led my Grandmother to be fiercely harsh in terms of ideals regarding marriage, home keeping and friendships. And finding the time to forgive. To find the acceptance and embrace literal joy. In our sometimes overwhelming and tiring lives That we matter. We all matter We each have and Everything Bagel, but we also have its opposite. And like the Taiji symbol. We must be in balance

Watching this film was like walking into a Penney Arcade and not being able to find the exit.

I just realized the googly eye is the inverse of the black bagel.

I am so so happy every time one of your videos drops. Some of the best philosophy out there right now.

Thanks!

Oh wow! You actually get this movie!!! Thank you! I’m so grateful that someone out there understands why this movie perfectly represents the internet era of being human. Getting tossed around emotionally from joke to tears to kung fu to boredom to despair to gratuitous violence is exactly what life is like now. Constant stimulation where even being able to see your family as they change around you is difficult. It takes real effort to just be in the experience of being human now.

Thank you💕

Fave movie ever so happy to see u cover it!!!

I kept thinking about Brothers Karamazov when I was watching the movie. I am not religious at all, but if having faith means love for all, then I can be as pious as I can be

“Everything’s already been said/thought/done” is pure human arrogance, & it’s a handy excuse not to pursue original thought.

Good insights into understanding the film. As for the films statement, which this video explains so well, it's bunk. First, loops are not infinite. They are the definition of finite. Something merely walled implies something beyond the wall. Something tied back to itself is as finite as possible. You can travel it endlessly, but that's not infinity. Infinity is ever incomplete, imbalanced, and therefore dynamic. Further, the conclusion about reverting to smaller ways is a distortion. It's like saying "i have a nut allergy so it's a universal truth that nuts are bad." If you can't handle the size of the modern world that's just you. A lot of people can, and more will in the future as we adapt to it and adapt it to us. At the climax, she saw something micro scale (her husband) and decided that it was emblematic of a universal absolute. Hogwash. Freedom is not slavery, ignorance is not strength, and war is not peace. One particular scale is not better than another, that's mistaking the frame for the universe. What's important is harmony between scales. What's out of whack is that the next jump up from her family is the federal government. That's atomization and its a fixable problem. We just need a self similar continuity of scale structures that connects us to infinity rather than alienating us from it. Have a nice day.

The thing about the internet though is you can easily find communities that share your views and/or interests. The internet has connected people like never before. Whether that’s just a superficial and less meaningful connection I’m not entirely sure, but that’s what a lot of people in the modern era give meaning to. If people’s real-world relationships were more enticing/meaningful then wouldn’t that be what they would seek after instead? This is a fundamental shift from how social situations and connections typically occurred in the past, and it’ll be interesting to see where this leads in the future as humans become more and more “disconnected”. Will we adapt and learn to find meaning like that or will we all become depressed sods just waiting for death? My money is on the former.

facing nihilism in a negative way vs facing it in a positive way

You said people are getting unrooted, that may not necessarily be a bad thing... there's a tale which tells that long time ago every soul born on Earth transcended to higher realms, but then darkness tempted them with vices and many veered astray, and thus they go in circles, life after life, until they see thru it... and nihilism, as well as getting unrooted, helps with just that, it frees you from attachment, helps you see without bias.

It's all about how you view a thing when I saw the black bagel my genuine response was joy can't you see it's not all meaningless it's a bagel it's beautiful the whole universe and everything in the Multiverse is a bagel it wasn't for no reason it was to create a bagel praise the bagel may the bagel spin on endlessly and in so doing may we endure endlessly

Nihilism becomes dangerous not when you realise that life has no objective meaning,but when things stop mattering to you.

This is probably the best movie I've ever seen

From only what I know of my own life, is that I do have my family, they are my family and I love them very much, I want them to be happy. They have layered by circumstances of people, arguments to protect ourselfs from hurt. But still feeling unforgiven, or understood and feeling not belonged by people we meet outside, structures of our institutions our views we understand of each other being far apart, although you can make any fictional if fact we like, but feel disconnected, stotism, apathetic, state, laws, punishment ("justice") media, crime dramas, fighting the villian is all masked in all of itself as a state of that bagel, becouse there was never a perpetrator but names, flesh and blood, but living things missed and being fought, being conditional and the roots of all where people come from lay bare on its own feelings unloved, unwanted, unseen and pointless, as reaching out it's overall point (from the overal truth.) as others say your mean and selfish, a lie as it rolls it intellectual eyes of status something or growinv over its estimates. Making a bagel more so in strangers then any of us found. The only thing like the husband in the film is giving, showing love, caring, comforting, unconditional and happiness as people don't appreciate him and think he is weak and needs to be more though and harsh, like a bagel themselfs. But knows he fights in different ways. I'm kinda go back and fourth becouse being in a repeated circle and advices telling me something else that isn't me but feels morphing that makes me shallow and untrue who I am. Maybe this untrue from society is what I will eventually say and not mean it as before as I did mean something, true, authentic and saying but was considered irrational by the bagals of considered being rational but not a humanity I got from it. How people develop in their own way growing up. Knowing what they want, and saying what they want. Logical and masked unknown. As everyone is walking by the streets using people, untouched and unseen, not flet but just doing and here. We have true feelings though, the unaddressed is there, but we are scard not becouse of us ourselfs we feel we can't, only the outside of the advices of society, the bagels to make us feel unvalidated becouse we only put a mask from the fear of the other to somehow be accepted, thinking by chance they might see me to tolerate how I feel perhaps hope they will see me from the beast nature it is that hopefully show a kinda, genuine side that was built around it. To be seen entirely. Is that a crime or be taking advantage of by people or the state doing what it thinks is right, by argument case? Are we made of empathy, good people? Or apathetic monsters disguised as good people in anther eyes seeing always trying? Rather then live, unconditional and making something work. Knowing in your heart and soul in us private apart from what social media says, we do have a love inside much more to give and we have. "In anther life, I would have really liked doing laundry and taxes with you."

"my only criticism is it didn't go far enough." I thought the same exact thing when I saw it. Still emphasizes objects (people...I mean people as objects of awareness) are what give life meaning which misses the point a bit.

Great analysis, I love your editing and narration.

This movie will always amaze me.

Not sure nihilism needs a cure. The symbolism is open to interpretation.

There might be a sequel that delves deeper into community and society at large.

Thank you for this video. Love your work❤🙏🏽

I should watch it.

Duh! Ouroboros. How did I miss that?!

your voice is phylosophical lol.

And what if love isn't a solution to the problem, but merely a distraction from the problem?

In the middle of this video I got an ad for the BIBLE. A 2000 yr old cultural artifact of meaning. However its really just One of Many artifacts of meaning. Sadly, because of its ideology the bible has been pushed very hard onto society as if its the ONLY meaning. Thankfully many people are realising it simply cannot stand up to its overblown claims and are moving onto less limited options. Movies like "Everything Everywhere All At Once" help people deal with their anxiety and moving away from being lost in fear and confusion. So glad it was made and widely promoted. ❤

From a psychological perspective, this movie is an exploration of a "dead" mother (one not psychologically healthy that inevitably traumatizes her daughter) and a Borderline daughter who as a traumatized and neglected child has lost her sense of a true self and lives unboundaried in a kaleidoscope of false self states.

Black bagel=Aleph from borges. Thats the inspiration

Nah, the multiverse here is a lot better used. The problem with multiverse is that it's a tool too powerful for plots to resist, usually.

This movie is truly one of a kind!!!

The ending kind of bugged me, "sugar-coated..philosophies of existentialism" Does anyone mind to expand on this, like the meaning behind it, and how existentialism is useful when combined with.. something. I am a therapist and find the conversation of meaning useful, but I wonder if it should be paired with another conversation so we avoid the sugar coating, unless that already is present in the initial symptoms (like depression) of the meaning problem

Thanks

I don’t necessarily see the observations of nihilism as an inherent negative and I feel many people misrepresent it as only extreme pessimism. Camus was a nihilist and the observations of the innate lack of meaning, truth, or even morality are not all calls to suicide. I find grappling onto a random abstract construct like love without intellectually engaging with nihilism is a very weak way out. You use many emotional appeals and generalize the vast tradition of nihilistic thought as a “sickness” while you provide a nonexistent argument for the importance of love. So much rising metamodern philosophy and art seems to only be afraid of postmodernism and nihilism without engaging with them on the grounds of genuine reason. And I do agree with your final critique but feel you, yourself did not go deep enough in calling to the source of this “sickness”, which is capitalism. The film and yourself fail to address the way capitalism influences the mental state of people and promotes mental illness and alienation from things like nature and community. It’s easy to call to nihilism and postmodernism while both fields have never been that popular throughout history, meanwhile capitalism has infiltrated all aspects of our world and its negative effects can be similarly observed across generations, cultures, and beliefs.

I was hit with so many Jungian archetypes when watching this. Very much enjoyed it.

I felt it's about how existentialism (mother) overcomes nihilism (daughter).

Nietsche would use amor fati as a counter for Sisephus' plight

I don't think you get Camus right. If everything you say about Sisyphus is right, then Camus is not even needed. He's saying that even in a condition like that, some relief can be found. He's one of the most positive thinkers for dreadful situations."

Nihilism is just defeatism by another name. Absurdism is a call to the adventure of existence.

it is like a black hole- the black bagel- a black hole you can eat

It can't be helped, in Harari's book he discuss how the state and market has favoured individualism and has actively work to break communal bonds. In my opinion there ia a trade-off between our own well being and search for meaning.

We're all kin.

Glad I saw this episode. Haven’t seen the movie yet, but when I do it will make more sense. Keep up the good work! You are fucking awesome!✌🏾❤️🌷🌻🐝

I see a dichotomy to nihilism. On one side there's the "woe is me, nothing matters", and on the other there's the celebretory "woot! Nothing matters! wheee!". Both contain elements of freedom, and it's all a matter of subjectivity. Even the universe will die. Everything that was ever will cease with no memory or trace of anything that was everything ever existing. It's such a completeness of oblivion not even the clean slate of a clean slate will remain. We are all eventual tragedies, and when even the universe dies, at the end, none of it matters.

True, today's civilization has to much time on the internet and insufficient time in the Real World. To busy giving off this falsehood of their life and honestly not looking within themselves. I want to watch this movie now; enlightening explanation and an outstanding job. ❤🌹 I have a different user name, but please keep using Renaissance Fairy. 💫🧚‍♀️

Also Weyman: I want a divorce

Nihilism is a way of memory.

Postnihilism. It's time.

Give me a minute I'm waiting for the AIS to get better i'm going to make a sequel to this movie not about a black Bagel a Halo and at the center of the Halo is light so bright it absorbs people into it the only reason people come out of the halo is because it's too good in there it's too perfect hence why people come into the Multiverse

Onions. Goddamn onions.

I should've known there are going to be spoilers I was planning on watching this movie this Wednesday. I thouroghly enjoyed it though and i'm looking forward to your next video! 💟

Nihilism is not sad. The absence of meaning is also the absence of meaninglessness. Sad is a biological mechanism, not reality. I should very much watch this movie.

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Do you think individualism is problematic for person and people?

There's another way to view individualism then obtainment god shattered himself into a billion different faces and the face you wear is an expression of God that only you can express the art and the words that you will create in this world is the word of God expressed in a way that only you can you have to give that gift to the rest of us that's why you're here

I disagree with the conclusion. Its because the husband sees everyone as individuals that he can be as kind. You were stating at the beggining how "someone has done this, experienced that, better than me at this" thats thinking in a group. Do you know who hasn't experienced it? Hasnt done it? Hasnt became proficient yet? You! The individual. It precisely because you can see someone as a single human, not group, that brings about change. Each individual person is deserving of love trust, within reason. Nihilism sees the entirety of everything and claims meaningless. The husband sees a person and says important. Made this comment on no sleep and one working thumb so it might change. But i think ive been relatively clear.

Like why can't you people see the implications of this nihilism if there is a black bagel that sucks up everything and has no hope and at the center of it is meaninglessness potentially even pain then that means somewhere in all this multitude is the inverse meaning infinite meaning we must find as above so Below if your roots as a tree reach into the very depths of Hell then your branches must clearly soar to the very reaches of Heaven

One finally discovers that nihilism is a position only made possible by having the privilege to refuse a relationship with life.

Nihilism (The fact there is no objective meaning to reality) IS NOT A PROBLEM! It turns the meaningless of the question "What's the meaning of life?" into the beautiful... "What's the meaning of YOUR life?... Reality is truly a blank sheet..."life" is what you make of it...after all. So best making it a good one...

I don't think people in either individualist nor collectivist societies really live for love/the community or even for themselves. If they could really live for themselves, they would come to the same conclusion of love as the movie presents because the individual is continuous with the community. No, what people now live for across the developed world is not the community but the _crowd._ The spectral internalized other who passes judgement. This is not something that can simply be given an answer to for it is the Lacanian psychological definition of the subject; that you desire to be "yourself," and you necessarily desire this because that's what makes you a conscious object and not a static object, but that this self is also necessarily a fiction because it is not a subject. This is a complex way of saying that human life is bound to samsara, but is better at explaining why desire is so pernicious and ineradicable. So the answer is a bit more than what common sense can allow and is based on contact with the unconscious; what Lacan calls the Real, although, based on what I've learned about Lacan, such encounters are presumed to be destructive and traumatic rather than carrying the potential for liberation.

How much were you paid for this promo?

I haven't seen it yet, I've been busy living it.

Nihilism doesn't need a cure. Because Nihilism is not a disease, it is the raw estate of Realism.

Do you agree with Jordan Peterson's cure for Nihilism?

All of Nietzsche's three beasts are represented. Joy = the camel (burden carrier). mom = lion (fighter), waymond = baby (yes-sayer and affirmer of life) thanks to "Grasses On" for the insight.

"...in this world, nothing is certain except death and taxes..."

Why can't you understand yes your infinitely small you do not matter but yet you are infinitely Grand you personally are the Creator god himself you came here to live out your life to be a human can't be God all the time but you are God you put all the stars in the heaven and made the waters flow but you're also just some human somewhere you can be both we can all be both

Glad I checked your channel this evening. Great analysis. Wonder if this is why I had to leave SM outright, and many others have bowed out too: mind can't process the multi-verse. Better off chopping wood and carrying water.

Piqued my interest. Will watch the movie. Difficult to find good movies these days. Thanks. Another movie that's pregnant with philosophical themes (if you know how and where to look) is I AM LEGEND.

I loved this video. Nihilism is not a metaphysical position that denies objective meaning to existence, or at least not least true nihilism for me. True nihilism is the phenomenological feeling that meaningless exists because we can experience it in our finitude, temporality, fragility, personal failures, personal losses. Nihilism is not a conduction one transcends, but a struggle one must endure and confront every single moment, or at least that’s how it is for me.

Isn't there an Oscar for best analysis?

This movie just sounds like the same old debate.

I observed back in the 80's community had been traded for convenience. Also, as a born outsider I kind of have a skeptical eye towards ingroup/outgroup conceptions as a "community". Community often seems to be conflated with homogeneity.

An updated 'supernatural' remake of the Christmas film 'Love, Actually' (2003). Different expressions of Hollywood's favorite 'duality trend' 'The Multiverse'.

Over-think, over-think, over-think! As soon as the character TOLD YOU nothing matters, I've already sit back, relax and just enjoy the movie. The directors already told you bluntly -- nothing matters, got it!?