I’m with ya, mainly because the 9000 series is my favorite movement….they can keep the sellitas and the etas

The rotor noise throws me off a little too much, but I get what you're saying...

I generally prefer the way the crown operates and feels on an ETA or Sellita over a miyota. The myota has the feel of a seiko watch to me and thats my least favorite attribute of their watches. To me they just don’t feel as tight and smooth. I totally can understand where your coming from on not wanting to put more money into a microbrand though. I have many microbrand watches and I doubt if I will ever buy another one, especially a used one. Al least if you buy a watch like a Hamilton or other well known brand you can easily move it for a small watch. It is really hard to flip a microbrand watch without almost giving it away. I’m tired of spending 500 bucks on watches and then getting 50% or less when I want to get rid of it. This is even worse if you have the watch for more than a year. Most microbrands disappear in less then 5 years and new watch collectors are going to buy whatever is fresh. I’ll admit there are some microbrand watches that catch my eye because of a good idea they have for a watch or maybe just a unique look. It’s just not worth the money in my opinion. If there is one thing I would change about watches I have purchased it’s that I wish I would have bought nicer and fewer watches. If you buy 8 or 9 microbrand watches you could have just saved money and bought an omega or tudor or something that’s really worth waiting for. Just my opinion though. There are plenty of people that think it is excessive to spend thousands on a watch. Or many that enjoy the versatility of having a larger collection. As time goes on though I just wear and appreciate nicer watches more and more.

yeah, that's my qualm with this watch, Almost $600 but Miyota movement, even if it's a very nice looking watch, it should not be that price.

The cheapest 9000 series is from Tissel @ $500 aud. The cheapest Swiss is the SW-200 in a brand called Houtman watches the Murchson sport at about $550 aud even cheaper in US. yes I'm aware of Cadisen watches.

I’m under the mind that anything that departs from a “great wave” dial is a good thing…..grossly overdone

_”who-coo-say way-vuh”_ if you’re an urbanite

@@Mister_Phafanapolis Come on, it's "Hokusai (as in 'sigh') way-vuh" and it's the Great Wave off (not 'of') Kanagawa for Mr. Gurau's information. Take highway 135 along the Kanagawa coast toward Enoshima and you get that same view...

I'm a newbie so I gotta ask, Orient Mako 2?

@@waris3732 I'm guessing Zelos

@@waris3732 Zelos Mako 2. Orient watches have Orient-made movements, they would not use a Miyota brand movement made by Citizen group.

@@waris3732 No, Orient has their own in-house movement. The Mako 2 from Zelos, but that has a SW200 in it, the Zelos Mako 3 has the Miyota 9015.

@@GeeMood right 🤦‍♂️ completely forgot Zelos also has a mako in their lineup

What matters is the amount of love you give to the watch. I wore a 10€ Casio calculator watch for years and in 4 different continents. Now I’m lucky enough to have much more expensive watches and even a Rolex bubbleback, but I still and love have my Casio and it’s still my most accurate watch.

Agreed. Some people shop for watches because they're "status" symbols.

100%

dan henry is doing good with a full name too, but yeah, if he wants to go to a higher price he shoudl change it.

Unless the name is historically significant, I’d prefer to buy a watch without someone’s name on it.

Yes i cannot disagree that Mason sounds... occult.

If he establishes the brand, the name can evolve over time. In Canada we have a brand that has existed since 1670, 200 years before Canada existed, it's The Hudson's Bay Company. Over time the brand has shortened it to The Bay or HBC, as everybody in Canada knows what The Bay is.

Death to the Swiss watch industry

I agree on the number styles and the crowns protrude too far. The case back design, as good as it is, does not seem to sync with the face design, imo.

Interesting because the twin crown is the most fascinating aspect to me

I think the miyota 9000 series is a fantastic movent compared to a Swiss movement or A Seiko movement. The Swiss are over priced and the Seiko's are to thick and to low on the Hz. 28,800 vs. 21,600 is a huge difference. I own several of each (SW 200s, 2824s, NH 35s and miyota 9000 series) I think in grand scheme of things, the 9000 series is the clear winner when you look at all factors: ie beat rate, initial cost, cost of service/replacement when the time comes, and thinness (allowing the watch manufacturer - microbrand or not, to build a much more wearable timepiece, not to mention allowing the price of admission to be considerably lower for we the consumers.

I'm pretty tired of the Kickstarter trend and endlessly putting out one limited edition run after another. It's funny how Marc at Long Island Watches just launched his watch brand without Kickstarter and just sells his watches like normal products and he actually restocks most of his popular models instead of relying on the pressure of limited editions to try and push people into buying faster because of scarcity.

What designs?...having been into Micros for a while...I think design means more like putting components together....I could be wrong but I've seen no evidence yet to change my mind.....and certain components reappear time and time again.....it doesn't mean the watches arn't good....it just feels like buying in to a bit of a white lie.... I have their first watch...it was a good first attempt and at least it wasn't a sub homage...

@@robinc3307 Not sure what you mean Robin. I mean watch designs, dials, hands etc. Some are more creative than others of course. I don’t mean weird and wacky just good design features that look attractive at first glance, catch the eye if you like. But I agree with the similar look to some of the micro brands. I like simple and the odd chronograph but generally a nice dial, hands and sapphire glass. But alongside that , well made, is what I look for. I often find myself attracted to a watch on initial looks but then on looking at more images I do find they lack some pizazz, if that’s what you mean, and end up clearing the checkout box

@@topgazza I don't think most Micro brand watches are designed...I think they are components picked from catalogues maybe with a bit of different polishing or brushing specified...and assembled somewhere.....when Mitch Mason food there first watch the sand dial version was delayed by months because when he got them delivered the colour was miles off....that tells me it was just ordered and he had no hand in making the watch....like I keep saying it doesn't make them bad watches or people ....and Ben was great to deal with...but don't fall for the hand made quality control bla bla bla.....

@@robinc3307 Ah, I see what you mean Robin. That explains a lot. Perhaps design in what components look together rather than individual component design. Looking at it like that puts the whole thing in a different light. Although the end result is what counts regardless. It does finish the attractiveness of the offers for me. I guess the cost of individual design, tooling up and manufacture for short runs is not viable.

i respectfully disagree, most people will wear a dive watch to swim or do other water related activities that may not even include diving , and they'll use the bezel to time other things, but just because a dive watch is versatile doesn't mean it should lose the inherent traits that made them desirable. having a flieger watch doesn't make you a RAF pilot, but you do want a bit of that image and essence when you buy one. i'd like for my dive watch to still be a functional usable dive watch even if it is a bit overengineered. why would you as a consumer want a less capable and less robust product?

@@mitchaelhollingsworth1698 then it still only needs 150m wr at most. You don't gain versatility by adding more.

@@StuntpilootStef if you decrease the bulk so the case is thinner, making it less water resistant, AND if you use a miyota 9015 instead of a eta 2824-1or sellita sw200-2 get ready for a lot of noise due the rotor winding in one direction and spinning freely the other way. rotor noise to me is associated with more affordable movements and less well constructed cases. to me the point of a dive watch isn't to be slim, light or comfortable. i have other watches for that. if it is those any of things that's ok, but the brand should not aim for that. otherwise you have a dive style watch instead of a dive watch. if you want a nice dive style watch, that's fine, just don't call it a dive watch. kind of like the new seiko 5 versus the iso certified skx.

🤨🤨🤨 I got the email for one, didn't have the cash, still fuming.......

Ha! A mere three years? Well done mate. It is an epic watch. What colour did you get?

@@JustOneMoreWatch the blue and orange colour way

Definitely style over substance there, I agree.

Sorry mate, I missed a few details actually. They are both screw down.

@@JustOneMoreWatch Great, thank you for clarifying that. The Spinnaker Bradner for instance only has a screwed Crown on the lower time set crown, the upper bezel operating crown is just freely rotating. All the best.

If I ever actually do a microbrand, you know what will be on the caseback....

@@JustOneMoreWatch I now honestly hope there's a special edition run of you riding a dolphin whilst holding the heart of the ocean

will be just one big "HELLOOOOOOO" in comic sans 11...@@JustOneMoreWatch

I'll have a look at that one Ian!

I heard that, the most expensive vehicle I've had gave me the most trouble, the cheap beaters were/are the most reliable. Go figure.

Similar story myself; my NH movements all keep better time than the Selitta, Miyota 9 and Hamilton/ETA/Swatch H50 movements in my collection. Almost like it’s not just diminishing returns from more expensive movements/watches, they’re actually worse products.

@@Mister_Phafanapolis Yep, and chronometer certification is one of the most bloviated metrics in the watch world, it's bragging rights. My $120 Orient Mako keeps +2 sec/day. Nothing wrong with spending a bunch of money on something if it is worth it to you, but it is delusional in most cases that a $2,000 watch is five times the watch a $400 watch is. I keep having trying to convince myself my Orient isn't actually as good a watch as some of my $500 watches...

Couldn't agree more. There's just a LOT going on with the Maelstrom. Not my jam. I get the desire to offer a unique product but some of these micros go over the top with their design choices. Would add Zelos as another company that's prone to this.

Let's see it!

@@acomingextinction I’m with you on Zelos. They design the crap out of their watches, all angles and aspects have been tweaked. Every release has something I really like and few quirks I can happily live without. Luckily the FOMO hasn’t caused me to buy something I later regret, although I’m confident there will eventually be a watch from them that tickles my fancy (Horizon 39 and Blacktip 41 are very close.)

Thanks mate!

@@JustOneMoreWatch dude , if u can , review the new g shock mudmaster please it's an awesome watch for the price 😀

Yes, Brander their best model, I reckon.

It ain't the movement it's the style of watch. A Miyota 8000 series is 7.52mm thick. The NH35 is 7.58mm. A 9000 is only 6.2 but it isn't in the same price bracket.

@@duckrutt to be fair, a Miyota 8000 series is just as unappealing as a NH series movement to me. In this case the 9000 series, and SW200/2824 are equally as appealing to me, as they are thin, and higher beat rate. Hopefully that clarifies what I was trying to say initially.