A Solid State Piezoelectric Fan-Does It Actually Work?

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@filker0
@filker0 2 жыл бұрын
In the early 1980s, I proposed a similar mechanism for ensuring airflow in an asynchronous serial terminal design (3 box; main electronics, keyboard and separate monitor, similar to the DEC VT240 graphics terminal) that had to be silent. We determined that as the electronics heated up, the airflow due to convection was chaotic causing a loss of convective cooling. Adding a single sheet of bi-metal attached to a flexible plastic/nylon blade with a dimple in it and applying a voltage across a resistive strip on one side of bimetal caused the blade to slowly move in one direction, then when the voltage was removed, the blade snapped back quickly, creating a small puff of air in the direction we needed it to flow. Any time the temperature inside the enclosure got above a set point, the process was repeated. The physics and fluid dynamics behind convective flow would take over. Worked like a charm. Unfortunately, the project was cancelled, so that fan never saw its way into a commercial product.
@actualperson1971
@actualperson1971 2 жыл бұрын
That would've been an amazing design! It's a shame it wasn't made into a product.
@MisterWillX
@MisterWillX 2 жыл бұрын
Sounds like a great design!
@MikeJones-mf2rt
@MikeJones-mf2rt 2 жыл бұрын
This is why you never invent something on company time or company dime. Otherwise, it’s not yours. If you have a stroke of genius that will fill a niche perfectly, you work on it at home in your spare time, and then you patent it and license it out.
@jimmea6317
@jimmea6317 2 жыл бұрын
Well you must be the guy behind the Rockwell retro-encabulator.
@MisterWillX
@MisterWillX 2 жыл бұрын
@@MikeJones-mf2rt when I worked for Apple, the non-compete paperwork also included language that they had ownership of any invention that was created during your time working for them, including off time. I reread that part three times. I signed anyway because we had just had a baby, and we needed the money.
@alexkram
@alexkram 2 жыл бұрын
I made some of these 20 years ago when I was a phd student doing heat transfer research for a certain computer company. I made mine out of metal shim stock. I was able to get first mode bending and pretty good deflection, about 30% of the length. My project lost funding because of the tech recession that happened but I don't remember the performance being all that impressive. I did some modeling of a round one like a diaphragm that pumped air through a hole but didn't end up building a prototype. Thanks for the video, I like the flow visualization you did.
@jhonatancock2302
@jhonatancock2302 2 жыл бұрын
United Fruit Company?
@jnellie1970
@jnellie1970 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, United you will stand...or else. Eat your Apple and be happy. ;) Actually, I'm a big fan of Apple products. They've done some amazing this things.
@HansHartman
@HansHartman 2 жыл бұрын
Reading your “Round Diaphragm” made me think, this (if done at scale) could pump small amounts of water. But because of the cost of the power needed to run them, you could have millions working all at once and pumping millions of gallons per minute.
@jackhartsough3
@jackhartsough3 2 жыл бұрын
U could definitely make alot of money if u made handheld versions of it . It has a gimmick like appeal to it that lots of people would want to buy it , u should develop it!
@solapowsj25
@solapowsj25 2 жыл бұрын
It's useful for heat sinks which are much more efficient when there's air movement around the fins.
@MarcTBG
@MarcTBG 2 жыл бұрын
A real solid-state fan would be an ion thruster. Piezoelectric crystals vibrate and this can induce failure in other parts, like the electrodes that connect the crystal to a source of energy.
@JohnnyWednesday
@JohnnyWednesday 2 жыл бұрын
"Solid State" does not mean "doesn't have moving parts" - it refers to semi-conductors
@sayaks12
@sayaks12 2 жыл бұрын
@@JohnnyWednesday the wikpedia article for moving parts says "A system with no moving parts is described as "solid state"[citation needed]. ", citation is needed but clearly some people do refer to it as such.
@morbus5726
@morbus5726 2 жыл бұрын
@@JohnnyWednesday I'm pretty sure "doesn't have moving parts" is the exact definition of solid state
@peterpuke2841
@peterpuke2841 2 жыл бұрын
@@sayaks12 electricity induce vibration even on microscopic scale so even an SSD that is only capacitors and silicon chips is technically always vibrating, the difference with the piezoelectric fan shown here is that the vibration is much higher because its amplified on purpose but that doesn't mean that is not in solid state. Think about the VRMs on the graphics card or motherboard of a gaming PC, those things literally make sound sometimes it's not noticeable for the fans blowing air but people who use a water cooling says that specially with the current gen of Intel processors and Nvidia cards that sucks energy like a medium size room heater that after making it totally silent with water they can hear the VRMs like bees buzzing if they put the ear near those parts at full load.
@Joe-zw9ep
@Joe-zw9ep 2 жыл бұрын
You'd also have quite a strong smell blown into your face constantly..
@maraz666
@maraz666 2 жыл бұрын
Nice concept! The "fan blade" could work better if it was uniform in rigidity, though. Seems like the tape at the end is making the assembly act as a pendulum, which starts resisting the driving force partway into the cycle. This is probably decreasing the total output by a significant amount, as only the smaller, more flexible part is moving air outwards.
@janicephillykl6400
@janicephillykl6400 2 жыл бұрын
u are one smart cookie. Good thought process
@ripmartin1673
@ripmartin1673 2 жыл бұрын
That's true, in the original paper they can tune the blade to the correct length to get the correct natural frequency. I believe in this instance though he had to add the tape to achieve the correct natural frequency of the system so the tape acting as a damper is part of the tuning.
@MrElvis1971
@MrElvis1971 2 жыл бұрын
I suspect this was a hack rather than just a tuning method.
@dgr8nikhilsrivastava
@dgr8nikhilsrivastava 2 жыл бұрын
how piezoelectric crystals vibrate..? what makes alt current to give, up and down force to it...?
@_shadow_1
@_shadow_1 2 жыл бұрын
@@dgr8nikhilsrivastava It is just in resonance, it just does it automatically because one end is firm and the other is free to move. It is the reverse of making a thin sheet vibrate when air is blown across it.
@yasminesteinbauer8565
@yasminesteinbauer8565 2 жыл бұрын
There are also fans that use magnetic levitation bearings and are therefore in principle not subject to wear. But there are certainly useful applications for the fans shown if you do not need much air volume.
@suspense_comix3237
@suspense_comix3237 2 жыл бұрын
But the magnet’s strength would degrade over time.
@JohnnyWednesday
@JohnnyWednesday 2 жыл бұрын
@@suspense_comix3237 - Not if they were electromagnetic bearings (ignoring the decay of atoms)
@jonasstahl9826
@jonasstahl9826 2 жыл бұрын
I highly doubt it, you can get small fans with way less than 1 watt, with a lifetime of 50.000 hours (6 years) for less than 5€. They dont vibrate, depending on the model can work with any voltage and with AC or DC. I dont see any benefit in this technology,
@dannymoneywell
@dannymoneywell 2 жыл бұрын
@@suspense_comix3237 you can use electromagnets easily.
@akakabira
@akakabira 2 жыл бұрын
Electromagnetic bearings aren't quite strong enough to carry a moving fan and just a tiny bit of instability is enough to cause a tiltover; also they are very expensive to make. If a regular cpu fan with magnetic bearings are very expensive, why in the earth would people even buy those large ceiling fans for thousands of dollars duh Edit : the "Electromagnetic" I used in the first line, you can refer as the strongest magnets we can have cuz the regular magnets in no way could be as powerful and robust
@jnellie1970
@jnellie1970 2 жыл бұрын
Piezoelectric is an amazingly simple concept with a host of complicated solutions.
@brodriguez11000
@brodriguez11000 2 жыл бұрын
Guard rails with piezoelectric wind harvesters.
@jnellie1970
@jnellie1970 2 жыл бұрын
@@brodriguez11000 I've seen some mini-turbines, that sit just off the road and charge batteries. But using piezoelectric tech would be an interesting twist. Once upon a time I started to develop a brake light with a piezoelectric switch....can't go into too much detail. Need to get a patent first. Sounds so secretive...:)
@mastershooter64
@mastershooter64 2 жыл бұрын
we need piezoelectric knifes! to cut vegetables or your enemies!
@adityadivine9750
@adityadivine9750 2 жыл бұрын
Just want to thank you for not making boring videos. Every other video is something completely new to me and I love it. Can you do some videos focussed on fluid pressure differences. Like something interesting with tubes filled with water.
@stevenking9985
@stevenking9985 2 жыл бұрын
He's boiled water in a tube with nothing but gravity. I'm sure he's an alien or something 🤣😂🤣
@adityadivine9750
@adityadivine9750 2 жыл бұрын
@@stevenking9985 yup hehe
@JohnDuthie
@JohnDuthie 2 жыл бұрын
Love how you find these interesting ideas scouring the internet and actually investigate them in person. I saw the Peizo fan recently on Twitter or something and now you have a video on it.
@lasskinn474
@lasskinn474 2 жыл бұрын
The youtube vid for it got mildly viral earlier this year
@0106johnny
@0106johnny 2 жыл бұрын
This has been around since the 1970s, not hard to find.
@loudblackmenfilmproduction7974
@loudblackmenfilmproduction7974 2 жыл бұрын
I was a fan of the future, now I’m just a fan.
@lonewarrior6633
@lonewarrior6633 2 жыл бұрын
That was fantastic!!
@MAGA_Extremist
@MAGA_Extremist 2 жыл бұрын
Me too
@TAMSTERMAN
@TAMSTERMAN 2 жыл бұрын
You must be a dad
@westonding8953
@westonding8953 2 жыл бұрын
Perfect dad joke!
@MAGA_Extremist
@MAGA_Extremist 2 жыл бұрын
@@westonding8953 I'm a fan of no
@crimsama2451
@crimsama2451 Жыл бұрын
And six months later, we have the airjet at CES which is basically this idea in application at a semiconductor level.
@angatsurve4380
@angatsurve4380 Жыл бұрын
Wow. You're the best. I couldn't understand what you were saying but I just followed instructions. Thank you so much
@dubstepdrumleaf
@dubstepdrumleaf 2 жыл бұрын
i love this guy he answers questions i never asked
@scaletownmodels
@scaletownmodels Жыл бұрын
You have to check out the AirJet solid state fans by Frore Systems shown at CES. They are MEMS instead of piezo but looking pretty neat. Now if they would only let you buy some to play with. Looks like they are only going to provide them to laptop manufacturers.
@krishnendumaity4480
@krishnendumaity4480 Жыл бұрын
MEMS can be piezo based- they are independent concepts. I'm pretty sure Frore is using Piezo to create the vibrating membrane.
@Notacet
@Notacet 2 жыл бұрын
I’d be intersted in a part 2 where you make 30 or so in series and see if you can beat a conventional fan!
@elric5943
@elric5943 2 жыл бұрын
It's so cute watching it move so quickly!
@superfluousification
@superfluousification 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome video. I knew nothing about this before now!
@brandonb417
@brandonb417 10 ай бұрын
There is actually a company doing chip cooling using this tech as the mechanism. Linus interviewed them and reviewed the device. It looks pretty cool.
@DukeOnkled
@DukeOnkled 2 жыл бұрын
I feel like problems may start to emerge if you try to really scale up the concept. Bigger versions may start to get impractical. Though I wonder if a three-dimensional array of smaller fans could greatly increase airflow.
@SwervingLemon
@SwervingLemon 2 жыл бұрын
The answer is yes. There are server racks that utilize that system.
@greyskullmcbeef4901
@greyskullmcbeef4901 2 жыл бұрын
Reminds me of how sea sponges circulate water through their bodies. A vertical tube with these inside could function similarly.
@kevinquintana2647
@kevinquintana2647 2 жыл бұрын
I wonder how practical it would be to line a tube with something like this as a water pump?
@SwervingLemon
@SwervingLemon Жыл бұрын
@@kevinquintana2647 You could probably get some flow, but with not much pressure behind it. Might need to tune the oscillator for the higher viscosity as well.
@666khizar
@666khizar Жыл бұрын
Bro you are amazing for explaining this in such an simple manner.
@Qui-9
@Qui-9 2 жыл бұрын
A similar effect can also be achieved using a speaker, with a small chamber with a directed port on each side, also running at its resonant frequency to reduce power wasted in the coil, and the ports sized accordingly as well. At high enough excursion, the air is blown far beyond the ports without returning.
@markrix
@markrix 2 жыл бұрын
Action lab guy, you need to make a monthly CORRECTIONS episode llke a popular comedian does, it really engages the audience with comments and blesses the algorithm Plus it's amusing keep up the good work bud
@SSADO-
@SSADO- 2 жыл бұрын
That's really intresting. I was literally thinking about fans being solid state(seeing as we got ssd's) some weeks ago so this being uploaded made me happy.
@odbo_One
@odbo_One 2 жыл бұрын
This guy makes great videos. Thanks for another fun time on Sunday relaxation day for me.
@Mr.2E
@Mr.2E 2 жыл бұрын
This is so cool. Thank you for expanding my mind.
@cyanidejam9737
@cyanidejam9737 2 жыл бұрын
Wonderful video, I'm a fan of this
@charleswoods2996
@charleswoods2996 2 жыл бұрын
@NoName-wb4rq
@NoName-wb4rq 2 жыл бұрын
nice one
@EnochGitongaKimathi
@EnochGitongaKimathi Жыл бұрын
There is a company called Frore Systems that might be using a similar principle for their AirJet fan replacement. Cool tech maybe a little too late as processors are becoming more efficient.
@gabrielesteves7498
@gabrielesteves7498 2 жыл бұрын
Your channel never fails to amaze me.
@normanberg6502
@normanberg6502 2 жыл бұрын
It's be cool to see this scaled up with more individual fans stacked together and to see how much air you could get moving in say an area the size of a computer fan
@taxak_sarvaiya
@taxak_sarvaiya 2 жыл бұрын
This KZfaq channel is my favourite because it makes creative ideas true Btw I was also inspired by you to make my own channel
@professorx3060
@professorx3060 2 жыл бұрын
I read about piezoelectric effect in pharmacology because nebulizers work that way to spray pharmacological substance in the airways. But I didn't quite understand it completely, so thank you so much for making this video!
@dannymoneywell
@dannymoneywell 2 жыл бұрын
It's quite different from this, nebulisation uses ultrasound to atomize fluids
@GrandDawggy
@GrandDawggy 2 жыл бұрын
I first discovered this effect when I was given the little clicker part of a lighter as a child (very weak shock and no fire) and wondering how it "didn't run out of battery"
@BallisticTech
@BallisticTech Жыл бұрын
@@dannymoneywell Aren't many ultrasonic transducers piezoelectric?
@MartysRandomStuff
@MartysRandomStuff 2 жыл бұрын
There seems to be no record of them on the internet that I can find but there was an aftermarket piezoelectric fan sold to put inside the original Apple Macs in the 1980s. It was silent and did help improve the convective airflow since there were no fans in the system from the factory.
@HelloKittyFanMan.
@HelloKittyFanMan. 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, James, for another great video!
@jamesshelton308
@jamesshelton308 2 жыл бұрын
I wonder if there truly is an application for this in computers. It seems like it might not move enough air for something like a processor, but perhaps its possible to stack them. I would like to see how noisy they are compared to traditional fans.
@atk05003
@atk05003 2 жыл бұрын
As soon as he asked, "Would you use this in your computer?", my first thought was "How loud is it?" After reading your comment, I started wondering about the flow rate and how it would perform with intake filters creating resistance.
@jamesshelton308
@jamesshelton308 2 жыл бұрын
@@atk05003 I think generating enough flow/pressure to get through a filter is going to be too big of a hurdle for this type of cooling. I can see this being used for nvme drives though, just to displace warm air somewhere else from time to time if it’s in a low flow area
@0106johnny
@0106johnny 2 жыл бұрын
You can get these in a size that could move enough air to cool an average computer, but piezoelectric crystals that big are rather expensive, around 400$.
@orngjce223
@orngjce223 2 жыл бұрын
A bellows that gets mechanically expanded and compressed would move more air, and can still be super quiet if you pick the right materials.
@MrSoso1050
@MrSoso1050 Жыл бұрын
@@0106johnny so basically maybe it would work better but will also be more experience
@DanHiteshew-oneandonly
@DanHiteshew-oneandonly 2 жыл бұрын
I've got brushless dc fans that have been running continuously for over a decade (with the brief exceptions of power outages).
@SmallSpoonBrigade
@SmallSpoonBrigade 2 жыл бұрын
Indeed, fans built with decent components will already last a rather long time, I think there's other reasons why this technology might be helpful.
@ecsyntric
@ecsyntric 2 жыл бұрын
this made me smile a lot
@Muhammad_was_a_PedophiIe
@Muhammad_was_a_PedophiIe 2 жыл бұрын
Great video. Informative
@PrincessTidge
@PrincessTidge 2 жыл бұрын
If you could design them to be much quieter they could be useful for PC cooling but for now I think I'll stick to water cooling 😄
@minion7111
@minion7111 2 жыл бұрын
at 60 hz we will ear the buzz but if you could make 1 outside of earing range it would be silent to us!! Edit I just found the "h" its right here
@kidnamedgrass
@kidnamedgrass 2 жыл бұрын
@@minion7111 bats wont be happy 🙄
@marius632
@marius632 2 жыл бұрын
Gamers will do anything for a great PC 😂😂
@MelodicTurtleMetal
@MelodicTurtleMetal 2 жыл бұрын
@@minion7111 is your h key broken?
@gunnarallgottsmann
@gunnarallgottsmann 2 жыл бұрын
@@MelodicTurtleMetal He wrote 60 hz. Stay safe, healthy, strong, happy and be blessed 🕊🍀❣️
@westonding8953
@westonding8953 2 жыл бұрын
This is genius! Look at all the different science concepts he goes over in just one video!
@WestonNey
@WestonNey 2 жыл бұрын
Hey fellow Weston!
@westonding8953
@westonding8953 2 жыл бұрын
@@WestonNey hello! Second time I found someone who shared my first name!
@sachdeepsivakumar3936
@sachdeepsivakumar3936 Жыл бұрын
Beautiful educational content. Thank you for going beyond blowing things up with chemicals
@oatlord
@oatlord 2 жыл бұрын
Was watching a demo video about industrial cabinet piezo fans. Neat
@lucywucyyy
@lucywucyyy 2 жыл бұрын
one day id love to try to make a piezoelectric fan powered rc glider, not sure if it would work but it would be cool regardless, and certainly quieter than a prop
@dannymoneywell
@dannymoneywell 2 жыл бұрын
No, wouldn't work, not enough pressure, it can accelerate air quite a bit but it generates relatively low pressure.
@WeighedWilson
@WeighedWilson 2 жыл бұрын
It would work extremely well. As a glider. /s
@capodad2u
@capodad2u 2 жыл бұрын
Maybe as an ornithopter? But you'd need to overcome the friction of joints and need a high voltage (heavy) power supply. If boats can sail faster than the wind speed then why can't a sailplane use a sail and the wind to take off and ascend?
@lucywucyyy
@lucywucyyy Жыл бұрын
@@capodad2u because boats have the water to push against the wind lol a piezoelectric ornithopter would be cool
@greatPretender79
@greatPretender79 2 жыл бұрын
This was a particularly interesting one! Does the bimetallic spring build up any heat? Is it strong enough to cool itself if so?
@hazza2247
@hazza2247 2 жыл бұрын
it would definitely build up some heat but it would literally be such a tiny amount basically negligible, also the fact that is a fan means that it always has air flow being ‘sucked’ past the bimetallic spring so it’s essentially self cooling
@davehugstrees
@davehugstrees 2 жыл бұрын
That's a really cool application of piezoelectric principles.
@Bianchi77
@Bianchi77 Жыл бұрын
Nice info, thank you for sharing it :)
@johnrickperez
@johnrickperez Жыл бұрын
i am here because i heard of frore system's Solid State Active Cooling.
@ishaan863
@ishaan863 Жыл бұрын
Frore uses MEMS for this purpose right?
@scorpion_26king
@scorpion_26king Жыл бұрын
I think the company FRORE system Which has the vision to replace the fan from the laptop and use their jet type technology which is dust free Uses the same technology in developing their product.
@serta5727
@serta5727 2 жыл бұрын
Pretty neat stuff
@soupflood
@soupflood 2 жыл бұрын
I remember seeing an old ring bell made with an electromagnet that interrupts itself. The motion was transferred via a lever to a small hammer that hit the Bell. I guess it could've been turned into a device similar to this one. It works with DC or AC, very easy to build.
@Aaron-oe8xw
@Aaron-oe8xw 2 жыл бұрын
Good video, in my opinion, material sciences and engineering such as this solid staye fan, are whats going to allow us to co tinue into a sustainable future. Once we really are able to unlock molecular material printing on a wide scale, i think things will become so resource and energy effecient that it will be nearly indistinguishable from natural objects. To me, this is one step in the correct path for the future.
@dannymoneywell
@dannymoneywell 2 жыл бұрын
Molecular printing? It's such a illogical inefficient production method for 99% of goods, it would advance our progress in nothing, unless you mean true replication, like in star trek, it's a terrible idea, and I doubt you have found out how to convert energy into matter and vice versa.
@Aaron-oe8xw
@Aaron-oe8xw 2 жыл бұрын
@@dannymoneywell ? Your concept of what is possible is narrow. We are already doing this, by printing layers of interacting molecules you can achieve very effecient energy consumption and lower resource waste. No one but you said anything about converting energy into matter or vice versa. Solar cells, carbon fiber materials, they already exist and have been manufactured on a molecular scale. No idea what your even going on about, if you need mental help please seek it and dont take it out on people who are actually trying to promote a better future instead of whatever bullshit you didnt come up with. You didnt even offer a better technological method, you're just trying to stifle what you think is impossible because you dont understand.
@Psi34ax
@Psi34ax 2 жыл бұрын
@@dannymoneywell whoa easy there Spock
@0106johnny
@0106johnny 2 жыл бұрын
This is extremely inefficient at scale though.
@Aaron-oe8xw
@Aaron-oe8xw 2 жыл бұрын
@@0106johnny inefficiency in what? Printing? Engineering? Things like solar cells, when invented, were really inefficient and through the process of layering designed materials the resources required have become more effecient as well as the power output. The fact is that material sciences and the enginneering of printed layers only leads to more efficiency due to the lack of materials required to create the product and the energy required because the interactong layers are directly connected instead of through wiring. If you judge every technology process by its infancy in development than why progress towards anything at all? Ineffeciency is not a good arguement for somethign that has the possibility of reforming how we view technology.
@Sh1nGaming
@Sh1nGaming 2 жыл бұрын
This is really cool! And it has got me thinking: can this mechanism be used as a propeller or as a part of a propulsion system?
@jhaz89
@jhaz89 2 жыл бұрын
Hell no. It's way weaker than a rotary fan. It's basically best use for stuff that just needs a bit of cooling.
@0106johnny
@0106johnny 2 жыл бұрын
No, it generates almost no thrust.
@Univac-tb5vi
@Univac-tb5vi 2 жыл бұрын
Bee’s don’t either but they fly.
@zafod101
@zafod101 Ай бұрын
Best thing to do is try it with maybe a wider flipper and different frequency
@JohnMarston1876
@JohnMarston1876 2 жыл бұрын
Congrats on 4 million!
@kobiholderbee4753
@kobiholderbee4753 2 жыл бұрын
I must see this concept upscaled!
@drhaese
@drhaese 2 жыл бұрын
A brilliant invention. Are there any patents known? I´m wondering when a start up will bring the device to the next level and sell it?
@strictnonconformist7369
@strictnonconformist7369 2 жыл бұрын
Piezoelectric actuators are used in inkjet printers in large numbers. Inkjet technology isn’t limited to your typical print-on-paper scenario, either, and may jet more than just ink.
@dannymoneywell
@dannymoneywell 2 жыл бұрын
This is old tech and it's not true solid state so it's not really that useful
@Dimprecator
@Dimprecator 2 жыл бұрын
short answer: NEVER because the concept is flawed
@0106johnny
@0106johnny 2 жыл бұрын
This is literally decades old tech
@seasong7655
@seasong7655 2 жыл бұрын
There are fans with magnetic bearings without friction or wearing.
@MrRolnicek
@MrRolnicek 2 жыл бұрын
I was thinking about this application for a while now but I usually end up on a piezo-electrically driven membrane of a pump which drives the compression in a heat pump as the preferred method.
@MichaelBattaglia
@MichaelBattaglia 2 жыл бұрын
Big fan of this!
@lowkeylunatic
@lowkeylunatic 2 жыл бұрын
Makes me wonder just how efficient these would be compared to a rotary fan (equivalent air volume movement.) Probably not very, but it seems to me that the lifespan would outweigh many other factors in many more settings than they are currently being used.
@ABaumstumpf
@ABaumstumpf 2 жыл бұрын
Inefficient, weak, expensive. They are useful in environment were you can not have any open parts, where the bearing-surface would be a risk to the process or the environment would be damaging to the bearing.
@keenheat3335
@keenheat3335 2 жыл бұрын
piezoelectric motor efficiency it's about 6% compare to conventional electric motor of 96%. Since for industrial cooling application, the cost of energy far out weigh the cost maintain and replacing the equipment by several order of magnitude. It only make economic sense in extremely small scale, where energy cost component is insignificant. There is also a reason why you don't see full size airplane fly with piezoelectric motor, but see plenty of finger nail size drone fly with piezoelectric motor. It's mostly applicable in a ultra small scale or where in application where cost maintenance is extremely high (inside a high pressure or high temperature or chemical corrosive environment, where it's hard to replace a component once it's broken)
@nacoran
@nacoran 2 жыл бұрын
There is a kind of wind generator that uses this process in reverse. It uses Styrofoam tubes to catch the wind, but there is a little Piezo strip at the bottom of them that bends back and forth. It kind of looks like 2 foot tall blades of grass and is virtually silent. They were talking about using them for rooftop wind, although I've seen some scaled up versions too, designed to be bird safe. I also saw a research paper where they were using Piezo strips to harvest waste heat from industrial processes.
@joyl7842
@joyl7842 2 жыл бұрын
No moving parts would be like a ion thruster where the only things moving are the ions, which are not part of the engine.
@CNCmachiningisfun
@CNCmachiningisfun 2 жыл бұрын
I made a negative ion generator that did this. It had no moving parts, yet it created such a strong breeze that it could extinguish small fires :) .
@BebegosAspectOfBabyFlight
@BebegosAspectOfBabyFlight 2 жыл бұрын
With help of something called PID, we can use conventional fans to control the temperature by 0.01degree. This also applies to heating system. PID. Good thing
@Aeduo
@Aeduo 2 жыл бұрын
Maybe could be useful for cooling low power electronics like tablets or laptops?
@SimonStuff2000
@SimonStuff2000 2 жыл бұрын
They need 120v...
@Aeduo
@Aeduo 2 жыл бұрын
@@SimonStuff2000 is that set in stone or can they just need whatever they're designed to need? Anyway, a lot of devices with fluorescent backlights had high voltage supplies.
@0106johnny
@0106johnny 2 жыл бұрын
Not really, you need a pretty high voltage alternating current
@beemerwt4185
@beemerwt4185 2 жыл бұрын
I absolutely would use this kind of thing in my computer as long as it could move enough air to keep it cool and was quieter than the fans I currently use! Thing is, we already have technology that makes rotating fans extremely efficient, incredibly quiet, and super cheap. The amount of power normal fans use compared to the rest of the system is rather negligible. These things would have to compete with that, and I don't know for sure that scaling it up won't have unintended noise pollution.
@nacoran
@nacoran 2 жыл бұрын
The Major Hardware channel has fan blade showdowns. It wouldn't quite fit their normal testing parameters (they put different blades and shrouds on a the same fan motor for consistency) but it would be interesting to see one of these in a his tests.
@SimonStuff2000
@SimonStuff2000 2 жыл бұрын
True, what about the wearing part?
@Markcain268
@Markcain268 2 жыл бұрын
I've never had an electric fan wear out, my laptop is over 20 years old and the fan still works fine, mind you I don't use it very often, never seem to have the time or need for it lol
@braskcovroldinin8816
@braskcovroldinin8816 2 жыл бұрын
Actual yes putting these kinds of propulsion would be amazing for phones and laptops
@astronut3830
@astronut3830 2 жыл бұрын
soo cool!!!
@WaqarAhmadA
@WaqarAhmadA Жыл бұрын
Is this what Frore Systems Airjet using to cool CPUs?
@suspense_comix3237
@suspense_comix3237 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve got another idea for a solid-state fan: using static electricity. So imagine two plates that are both conductive. And also, imagine we have some sort of way to generate static electricity, like a Van De Graff machine or a Tesla Coil. Let’s say we apply a positive static voltage to both plates. They will repel each other because the charges don’t go anywhere. Now, let’s apply a negative static voltage to only one of the plates. Now the plates will move closer and closer together. This is because the charges now have ways to move. I wonder if you can use both the piezoelectric systems or the static electricity systems to generate a motor. I mean, it would be low torque and probably won’t work but I think it is kind of interesting.
@dannymoneywell
@dannymoneywell 2 жыл бұрын
Not solid state, true solid state has no moving parts, like an ionic wind generator.
@kevin_nahas
@kevin_nahas 2 жыл бұрын
Be careful not letting someone steal that idea
@0106johnny
@0106johnny 2 жыл бұрын
Piezoelectric motors have been around for decades
@OntoBunny
@OntoBunny 2 жыл бұрын
That's amazing! I could easily see this becoming a super compact fan design for laptops. 💻
@0106johnny
@0106johnny 2 жыл бұрын
People have tried that since laptops have been around. Doesn't work well. You need high-voltage alternating current, the airflow produced is pretty measly and they don't scale well.
@PerrySummers
@PerrySummers 2 жыл бұрын
In 1990 I bought a Vector Graphics (?) 8086-based computer. It had what in retrospect was a piezoelectric fan. It just wiggled, and moved a decent amount of air. I was in hog heave because it had a 10mb HDD!
@stupidvids0
@stupidvids0 2 жыл бұрын
No bearings or copper wire coils is amazing if scaled up properly with light materials... Not technically "solid state" but definitely an efficiency and cost revolution in air pumping of any kind. I can already think of improvements to the design that would let you compress/vaccum air too
@dannymoneywell
@dannymoneywell 2 жыл бұрын
This would NEVER be applicable in a pressure focused application such as a pump, there is no way one of these flappy things can generate any meaningful pressure, at most you could use it for ventilation, as it has been used for YEARS
@sperzieb00n
@sperzieb00n 2 жыл бұрын
@@dannymoneywell could work in MEMS circuits though, in tiny dialysis machine style pumps with sequential piezo elements instead of a rotor.
@stupidvids0
@stupidvids0 2 жыл бұрын
@@dannymoneywell Using three or four steel reeds in series, with proper baffling at tight clearances you could produce good pressure. Especially if the reeds are vibrating at resonance. Would have to just sacrifice flow. Ideally, you could produce the same pressure as the peak of the sound wave. Just need to tune the "air box" flow characteristics to amplify the diodicity the fans air projection.
@ABaumstumpf
@ABaumstumpf 2 жыл бұрын
"but definitely an efficiency and cost revolution in air pumping of any kind" They are incredible expensive (it is old tech) and way less efficient than normal fans. hence why they are used only in certain niche applications.
@stupidvids0
@stupidvids0 2 жыл бұрын
@@ABaumstumpf im sure someone can mass produce the piezo elements cheaper. Thats the only hurdle. I didnt say it was perfect. Not enough research has been put into it
@hughgrection9938
@hughgrection9938 2 жыл бұрын
“I’m gonna show you a fan with no moving parts”. The part moves xD
@yeroca
@yeroca 2 жыл бұрын
:D Better might be "extremely long life."
@hughgrection9938
@hughgrection9938 2 жыл бұрын
He changed the title bruvvv
@lambdaprog
@lambdaprog Жыл бұрын
These piezo modules work also the other way around. I use them as contact microphones in stringed music instruments.
@WhyplayGaming
@WhyplayGaming Жыл бұрын
I'm so excited about this tech as it would be great for cooling phones and portable computers. Things like steam decks. Also great to add on slim TVs so they last longer and reduce burn-ins
@EvilCherry3
@EvilCherry3 2 жыл бұрын
Your video feels like this is THE solution and everyone should get dozens of these fans right now in their house. You must add a section in the video explaining why this is not practical for consumers so that the video makes sense.
@0106johnny
@0106johnny 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, there are several good reasons why this isn't in wide use even though it has been around for 50 years. It is very useful in very specific circumstances, in general use rotary fans are much better though.
@russell2952
@russell2952 2 жыл бұрын
2:38 - No moving parts, eh? Call it no spinning parts then, but claiming no moving parts is just stupid. You're going to get wearing because of the movement and vibration of the MOVING PARTS.
@brettvv7475
@brettvv7475 2 жыл бұрын
He clarified no _wearing_ parts. Don't be pedantic.
@nasvsan6191
@nasvsan6191 2 жыл бұрын
did you watch the video past 238?
@peterwhitey4992
@peterwhitey4992 2 жыл бұрын
@@brettvv7475 - It's not solid state.
@peterwhitey4992
@peterwhitey4992 2 жыл бұрын
@@brettvv7475 - It does wear.
@brettvv7475
@brettvv7475 2 жыл бұрын
@@peterwhitey4992 Nobody said it was solid state. Also, he further clarified that he was talking about parts rubbing together. Jesus Christ people.... watch the video.
@thomasbailey6997
@thomasbailey6997 2 жыл бұрын
I had one like this back in the 80's for my radio shack computer it was called the Dragonfly had two blades in a V shape worked very good and was very quite.
@marcuspi999
@marcuspi999 2 жыл бұрын
Love this channel.
@jakesanders8200
@jakesanders8200 2 жыл бұрын
Love these videos
@angelusmendez5084
@angelusmendez5084 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome!
@PannenTheKoek
@PannenTheKoek 2 жыл бұрын
I thought I was gonna see how those Dyson ac fans work, but this is really cool too
@danareed1656
@danareed1656 2 жыл бұрын
so cool!
@zahir2023
@zahir2023 2 жыл бұрын
Very interesting !!! Future wind-blowing technology !!! Thanks for the video bro.
@eureka_a150
@eureka_a150 2 жыл бұрын
great jobs!!!😁
@Neeboopsh
@Neeboopsh 2 жыл бұрын
i bought my house over 15 years ago. has a ceiling fan in my bedroom. i virtually never turn it off. its been running for a decade+ total time since i bought the place. i am absolutely shocked how long its lasted, but since it never gets turned off, the start/stop cycles are super low.
@Dark-Hound
@Dark-Hound 2 жыл бұрын
Would love to see an upscale demo. Like for a bedroom or something.
@JAAulde
@JAAulde 2 жыл бұрын
Pretty cool! What if you built a housing for it which had a nozzle that allowed you to use the venturi effect to increse the air flow?
@incubusfan4211
@incubusfan4211 2 жыл бұрын
Most people wanna take someone they respect out for a beer...I just wanna chill with you in my workshop...tons of respect man!!!
@dickinaround87
@dickinaround87 2 жыл бұрын
We actually used piezoelectric fans for a cryo-cooler made for the ISS. Fewer moving parts in space is a good thing. I developed Computational Fluid Dynamic models and simulated an array of them. Vids are on my channel from ~9 or 10 yrs ago.
@henriquee67
@henriquee67 2 жыл бұрын
so, it cant break from stress, but i for sure can say it gonna break rfom fatigue, it will last a loong time tho, i did and article on my mechanical engineering class, that every component, moving or not, will break in the elastic zone from fatigue, it is a real long time, but it will, great video, gonna try do some for my amplifier on the car audio system
@sn33blesn0rp
@sn33blesn0rp 2 жыл бұрын
Yooo last night I started making a piezoelectic vibrator, and then this gets uploaded lol Awesome vid as always man 👍
@tourismagency
@tourismagency 2 жыл бұрын
I love something new ❣️
@agnichatian
@agnichatian 2 жыл бұрын
I'm just happy one person on the internet knows how to correctly pronounce 'piezoelectric'.
@sarcasmo57
@sarcasmo57 2 жыл бұрын
That is neato!
@BassManBobBassCovers
@BassManBobBassCovers 2 жыл бұрын
Companies are probably going to make these now after seeing this video! It's a unique fan. Would be a great product.
@0106johnny
@0106johnny 2 жыл бұрын
This is decades old, nothing new about it. Companies don't usually make these, because they suck compared to regular rotary fans.
@Alniemi
@Alniemi 2 жыл бұрын
I’d love to see a giant version of this!!
@VladoT
@VladoT 2 жыл бұрын
Will see this soon on the Fan Showdown :)
@cyankirkpatrick5194
@cyankirkpatrick5194 2 жыл бұрын
Now I understand that article I read about the construction of future power source via pizeoelectric but I think they need to rethink the whole thing because of the tarmac-repair problem's they need a compound that could be more elastic due to the weather issues
@HistoricallyAccurate247
@HistoricallyAccurate247 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Action lab.Great video as always.I have a question.Why some objects absorb light ?I think this would be a really interesting video
@the_icon_of_sin_94
@the_icon_of_sin_94 2 жыл бұрын
I am a huge fan of this idea
@JCO2002
@JCO2002 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting, but I live in Jamaica, it's the summer, and I need a serious fan non-stop. I can't imagine how something like that would do the job. Scaled up enough, how much room would it take? A giant box that needs casters?
@mhan6601
@mhan6601 Жыл бұрын
Now there is a company that has this exact thing. I now want these to appear in laptops!
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