About the Eye of Terror global event you mentioned: I remember when I was a kid I attended a GamesDay 2004 convention while this campaign event was running. They had several dozen tables setup where attendees could playout the defense of Cadia in small point Imperial vs. Chaos matches against other attendees using store armies and really nice giant city terrain. The organizers kept telling everyone that these little battles would help decide the story outcome of the "global campaign", and throughout the day they were constantly hyping the crowd by announcing outcomes of these small games: "Imperial Victory!" and "Chaos Victory!" on the loudspeakers across the convention floor, to much cheering & booing. At the end of the event they announced that Chaos had one by a single victory, and to stay tuned for new announcements about what would happen next (new books / kits / events etc.). A bunch of us though it was weird because we'd been hearing nothing but "Imperial Victory!" all day, but then some GW red shirts told us the event outcome had been predetermined, which kind of felt like learning santa claus wasn't real all over again. Still it was a pretty fun memory, all of us cheering at each victory announcement.

Honestly wish demon primarch Lorgar would come take the title of warmaster

I worked at GW during the Eye of Terror, and, sofar as I remember we got daily updates on who was winning. In the end, we were told that the winners were a group of Canadian Armed Forces chaps used some real world tactics to take Chaos undivided to Victory. The only reason I remember this was the joke that Chaos had far more order and discipline than the uh...not chaos.

16:10 You know what you just described? Abaddon is the second in command of a Power Rangers villain faction. When he turns up you know it's trouble, but the good guys are also going to give him a reason to leave by minute 25 of the episode. Let us draw more comparisons between power rangers and 40k, I'm sure there are an uncomfortably large number of them.

30k Abbadon (including the Black Legion books) has genuine heel heat 40k Abbadon has go away heat

Happy holidays mate. Thanks for the videos!

Funny that you mention the Black Crusade world campaign, it had the same result as Storm of Chaos. Chaos loses, Abaddon/Archaon gets slapped and GW gets so salty that they retcon it and take the power away from players and just tell you how they later won and are so badass and cool.

This really did put in to words why I dont read 40k books anymore. There is no real progression or stakes.

Happy new year northern. Thanks you for all these videos keep them coming sir

I knew a guy who called him "Abby the Poorly Written."

Not read any of the novels yet but I was very disappointed in the Vigilus book that he duels Calgar and is about to win but then pauses , gets his jaw broken by a skinned wounded hand and runs away. He was there on the killing strike and a wounded Primaris newly crossed of the rubicon who had not fully healed from that trauma still won easily.

Ahriman would be amazing. He's bamboozled the imperium on multiple occasions and - in my opinion - could probably outsmart most primarchs. The dude literally burned Prospero again just to get around his 10k year ban from the Planet of Sorcerers from one of the smartest Primarchs, Magnus the Red. He literally makes 4D chess moves on a regular basis in the lore and he has one of the better origins.. If he became the main villain, in a realistic sense, I think Chaos could win in general - and almost in a justified way - given that Thousand Sons had their home planet burned to a crisp for no reason during the Horus Heresy. It also makes sense because if the emperor dies - the Golden Throne is designed for Magnus. I could see Ahriman winning the battle for the imperium with Chaos, then tricking Magnus into taking the Emperor's place, so traveling through the warp stays possible. Then directing humanity against the many Xenos threats on the horizon with the help of 4D chess and magic. Not gonna happen - but it would be cool.

Great videos the last few days 👌 your night lords take was spot on. You said you are working on a Tau law video. I would like to share my thoughts on the Tau. Some people say they are 'good guys' that's absolutely not true at all they are a very sinister and pernicious cult. 'The greater good' sounds good because it has the word 'good' in it. But what if your entire family had to be executed for the greater good? to conserve food or water for more 'valuable' people? For the greater good. Or what if you have to be worked to death in a radiation mine? You will last maybe 3-6 months before fatigue and radiation kill you... but the resources are needed for the greater good? Who says what the greater good is? The tau! They will tell you what to think and what to do. You must conform to the greater good or be removed... for the greater good. Truly terrifying. They mirror the worst and most authoritarian authority's from our own history. The greater good can justify literally any atrocity. You only have a place in the greater good if you are useful! Be afraid. They are the bad guys. Believing you are good does not make you good. Everyone is the hero of their own story. No mistake, they are authoritarian cult who co-opt and manipulate the useful and desperate

G.W. : Hey, I know we have ultramarines their fifth gold trophy, and have ran out of participation trophies so we got you this mug with "you tried" on it. Abaddon: *growns in high gothic*

this is why the tyrannids don't have any "named characters" they're perfect for breaking into a conflict between two named characters

When Abaddon is being written about in a book, I like him 95% of the time. He's a brutal guy, but he's also very charismatic, even after the Heresy. I think there is and should be a proper way to rehab his image. I would make him into a primarch, make him into an actual Horus reborn, that after 10k years his metamorphosis is complete and he literally becomes Horus by stealing back the parts of Lupercals soul still left in the warp and ascending to the same power level as late Heresy Horus and that seems to be the direction he is being pushed. He's described as a big marine, big as a primarch, he looks like Horus but without his temperment before the Heresy, he uses his the Talon of Horus, I still believe he even has his armor on the Vengeful Spirit, just not in use. Then from there, give him some real characters to kill or mog. Have him go up against Guilliman and essentially just bully him in a straight up fight, Guilliman goes in thinking this is a slam dunk because Abaddon is just a space marine, but he just gets his ass kicked, only at the end being save by the sacrifice of a character and his body guards personal inntervention, say they kill off Cato Sicarius because he doesn't have a new model or anything although I would prefer Ventris or better, Marneus Calgar. Then have Guilliman be like "wtf, that guys f*cking huge, I have to find a way to kill him that isn't a straight up one on one." Or instead of refreshing old characters from the model range that aren't yet primaris marine converts, have him kill them off. Chaplain Asmodai, Tyberos, confirm Creeds death at his hands, bring Valdor back to M.42 and have Abaddon kill him off etc. that's how I'd make him better. As it stands though, there are an uncomfortable amount of people in 40K as a hobby that don't like it when their beloved characters get killed off. Those people are chumps. I love my Iron Hands, they are and always will be the best marines pound for pound in the setting that are loyalists. I do not care if you're a blood angels player that thinks the blood angels would kick their butts because they're blood maddened vampires, I say good luck facing marines with the grip strength of an industrial hydraulic press. They are the failed abortions of terminators being crossed with genetically enhanced supermen and I love them for it. But also Ferrus Manus gets killed off pretty much right away in the Horus Heresy, the first loyal legion and primarch to fight a traitor legion and primarch and he gets his head cut off, but his model still sells very well, it's still one of the best looking primarch models and although the Iron Hands get a raw deal a lot, I don't mind that great characters such as Gabriel Santor, Amadeus DuCaine, Shadrach Medusan and of course, the Iron Hand himself Ferrus Manus all die. To me it speaks volumes aboout their character that they can suffer setback after setback, loss after loss and still somehow only get more interesting i.e. Ferrus Manus dies and the legion is massacred, then the zombie Iron Hands are brought in, Shadrach Medusan is screwed over and beheaded? Autek Morr yeets a moon into the World Eaters homeworld and steals their "how to build space marines" stuff. I look at the setting as something that eventually must move on and should have separate eras with separate hero's, like the Horus Heresy, so that these great hero's or villains can have a proper epic send off and end to their stories. As for Decimus becoming warmaster of chaos, I wouldn't like to see that, but I would like to see him unify the Night Lords , reclaim Tsagualsa as the legion homeworld and start a new VIIIth legion legacy that ends up being competitors to Abaddon considering that he has far better control of seeing the future than Talos or potentially even Curze from the brief glimpse we see of him

I like 30k abaddon hate 40k abaddon.. i think they should finally let abaddon die. Get a mutual kill with dante or calgar or maybe both? Then let huron blackheart start a path to be the new warmaster and have it be this new campaign.. lets older character pass peacefully into the good night and lets some new character get spot light.. but idk just my opinion lol

I remember that 13th black crusade campaign. Results from games were posted in from stores. Imperium was winning 65-35 most of the campaign, then the last two weeks chaos wins crept up and it ended something like 55-45 to chaos even though most stores were imperium. It confused us even as kids cos we were watching the UK store map. Thanks for the rant once again sir exile

I also find it funny that the setting is stagnant, lore wise, but it is also that way, because of GW's fear of pissing people off. Also, the endgame is the galaxy being consumed by Chaos, then burning out and dying themselves, but destroying the galaxy/setting is also the case if they don't actually make anything compelling. Stagnation is boring and it kills passion.

I'm still reading the Heresy books, so I still have a bit before I get to Siege of Terra, but I think it would have been leagues better if Abaddon died by Loken's hands at the Siege.

“Nobody is allowed to lose” Guard and Eldar fans: :,(

Absolutely agree, losses are how things grow. Hell even Eldarad died in that EoT campaign but GW just ignored everything because why not. The maledictum thing is a joke as well, it managed to go across the entire galaxy in just the right way to avoid every important world. The writers now are just so boring, although I do believe they have their hands tied by the suits.

They should since day one of the Horus heresy novels made Abbadon take charge more when Horus is not around but he's quiet and broody 😒 . I still think he is Fail-badon you are right he should have roffel stomped half of the forces at cadia personally I like his mini but that's about it ... as for the eye of terror supplement games. I played at the local GW us chaos players won a lot Shane it was for nothing in the long run 😑

huron blackheart is a better villain than abandon and huron got beaten up the minotaurs

This is why I hate the Black Legion honestly, the Sons of Horus and Abaddon should've died on Terra, they are my least favorite chaos faction and Abaddon did nothing to earn the title of Warmaster, he's a Horus Lupercal remake to me and I still think Horus was the only real Warmaster

You're right about the tangible wins being needed. I think GW missed a serious opportunity with that, they could easily be releasing character models meant to only last 1 or 2 editions. They can make the main model generic to keep using it but have 1 sprue that phases out when the character is dead. That way you can Chapter Master's being killed and their Successors rising, Guard Officers who make an impact, Canonesses who find relics, whatever works. Then you feed those characters to the bad guys while the ones meant not to die make MORE impact because of it. Likewise you can do it with chaos characters, chaos players would buy them whether the characters die or not too just for kitbash options, those characters get fed to Imperial characters and this creates groups of characters meant to make a stir temporarily and those meant to stick around to balance both continuity of stories but also the imminent losses due to it being grimdark. They also could easily make Abaddon achieve something worthwhile that finally elevates him to Daemon Prince. I also think it's time Omegon and the Alpha Legion got more involved even just as a deus ex machina.

4:06 I thought it was Failbadon the Armless?

I already mentioned it few times, but my cringe-nerdy take would be to have all those "subjugated" daemon Primarchs advice Abaddon to perform some sort of power-up ritual which would be a ruse, where daemon Primarchs teach him a lesson by turning him into either more powerful version, or somehow use his essence to bring back Horus. If we're possibly bringing Sanguinus we might as well have other dead-for-certain-no-way-they-can-come-back-really-don't-even-think-about-it characters. Also it would fix the huge issue of regular Astartes who spent last 10k years trying to get out of his spawn point using some random Thousand Sons sorcerer to gain control over Daemon Primarchs (even fucking Horus could not control those guys).

Maybe if Abbadon were knocked down a few pegs, within chaos then fights back to the top would be more interesting.

I've Failbaddon the Harmless, and Failbaddon the Armless, but don't think I've ever heard Failbaddon the Useless

Hey north although early happy new year from east Yorkshire also would you do a lore video on Sigismund

To be honest l hate the whole idea of chaos being the big badguy to begin with, it simply doesn't work. The way they treat abaddon can be applied to the whole faction in it's current state. We are always told how scary and powerful chaos is when in reality they are pretty lame and don't really do much except destroying a couple of no name imperial worlds offscreen and getting their asses kicked by the big smurf all the time. I mean they were always pretty whacky and strange (in a good orky kind of way) and noone took them that serious but now they are just an absolute joke. Chaos was way more fun when the traitor legions were just minor scattered bands of pirates and marauders causing the imperium trouble, with the occasional big incursion led by one of their primarchs. I mean it's called chaos for a reason, following one supreme leader in a unified cause kinda defeats the purpuse of it. And besides we do already have a big badguy who is an unstoppable all consuming supernatural force of nightmare and horrors beyond human comprehension attacking from beyond and within and it's called the tyranids.

STORYTELLING 101: Show, don't tell.

Probably the best example of "respectfully nodding, and then leaving" where it was actually enjoyable was way back around White Dwarf 300 at the conclusion of whichever Warhammer Fantasy store-campaign they'd been running at the time. Since the writing was trying to respect the actual faction results from the stores while maintaining a coherent conclusion to the pre-established fluff, it led to several cameos and then plausible reasons for them to depart after they'd gotten their stage time earnt by the store results. I felt at the time that it was tactfully/even-handedly written, though it's definitely an easy/convenient cliche that has been overplayed since then.

I think abbaddon is better since the heresy books

As a long time Black Legion player, I tend to agree with your assessment of Abaddon but disagree that all hope is lost in him. The way I conceive of Abaddon is that of the "true" leader of the Astartes in the sense that his leadership represents the will of the unshackled marine once he becomes disillusioned by his faith and duty in both the leadership of the Emperor and Primarchs alike. Therefore, Abaddon and his Black Legion seek a third option inwhich the Astartes wish to break with the past and assume the mantle of power and lay claim to what they through blood sweat and tears had conquered during the Great Crusade, that being vast expanse of the Imperium of Man. The best example of this I would argue happens In the Black Legion series when the clone of Horus calls to his chosen son only for Abaddon to tell him without hesitation that he is not his son and kills him then and there. I see this as symbolic of the core philosophy of the Black Legion that I have laid out. When all faith and duty in authority shatters, one must have the courage to look both within himself and to his fellow brothers in arms for a new sense of belonging and purpose. This is both the tragedy of loss and the triumph of will that the Black Legion has that can make them compelling force in Warhammer which I hope the likes of Aaron Demski Bowden can atleast inpart accomplish in showing... "In shame and shadow recast, in black and gold reborn..."

I don't know. It's hard to beat the Forsaken as a group.

I still think that Dorn is setting Abbadon up for the death of Sigismond.

I feel like Huron blackheart should be the main villain because he is interesting as hell plus he was or is ultramarine which would be a nice challenge to Guilliman

Personally I thought his hilarious ineptitude in his plan to get Talos to join him made no sense, as well as the bending over the exalted did in kissing his ass in that novel to be cringe as all hell.

I think the tyranids are getting the same treatment too

Hey North, when will you do a video on how Sigismund is overrated and a plot armor filled HACK? Anyways, happy new year body see you in 23

I would just turn him into a chaos spawn.

Abadon is like hhh to wwe like tyson fury is to his fans in the order of daily chaos in boxing that's in chaos 😂

He should have killed eldrad and saint Celestine imo

I hate the memes and lolcows so much. Krieg is actually what got me into the hobby but now I can't stand them. Every single Krieg fan constantly spamming the same HAHA CHARGE THE TITAN WITH SHOVELS!! HAHA WE GET TO DIE??? HAPPY GASMASK NOISES!!! It drove me insane, I can't freaking stand Krieg anymore and have become a Cadian fanboy just to piss off other Guard players who hate how much attention Cadians get despite their world being destroyed. To that end, let's not forget that Color Sgt Kell took on Abbadon BY HIMSELF, as a regular ass human, not even an Astartes, and managed to hold Abbadon back long enough for Creed to escape. I don't mind Kell taking him on, I think the very fact that a human would even ATTEMPT to take on Abbadon alone is enough to warrant loving the character (see Ollanious Pious), but give me a break. Kell should've been obliterated as easily as Ollanious was by Horus. I prefer that the Guard loses most of its fights, THAT'S THE POINT. The Guard is awesome because DESPITE being so outmatched they push on without hesitation, not because a single unaugmented human with a Powerfist can take on a warp charged Heretic Astartes.

What's the game he's playing

Ave Dominus Nox

Howdy North & greetings yall. Ok solve a dispute for me, I heard abaddon is a clone of Horus, true or false?

Which arny does North hate more? Black Legion or Space Wolves? 😂

Chaos sucks. Change my mind.

Failbaddon: The disconnect here is based on a wrong assumption which is the notion of 40K NOT being a Saturday morning toon show. Surprising newsflash: It is a toon show aimed at twelve-year olds. Accepting this fact will reduce disappointment in an instant. However I must say that Skeletor (German audio drama from the 80s: Peter Pasetti voiced Skeletor and did a far better performance than the US counterpart) for instance was a much better villain by comparison. He won a lot of small victories but due to his ego and lack of respect towards his henchmen gambled the ultimate win away on a regular basis. Everybody knew by the way the show would end should Skeletor score a long-lasting convincing victory. Failbaddon is in the same boat. He is cursed to lose by design but doesn´t entertain the crowd like Skeletor did. Fun fact of Skeletor: German audio dramas from the 80s: Peter Pasetti voiced Skeletor and did a far better performance than the US counterpart. The audio dramas can be enjoyed here on KZfaq and the stories were not simply translated from English but entire new episodes were crafted for the German market. How to improve Failbaddon: Well, the problem is that the setting is not a wrestling promotion. Failbaddon has been booked horribly but giving him a decisive win doesn´t compute to have him beat an Imperial hero in a duel. Why? Because it would be meaningless. The aim is to conquer Terra and not to kill a space marine irrespective of armour colour. To compare him to Skeletor again the skull-faced villain managed to conquer the palace on Eternia or Castle Grayskull a couple of times. What did Abbadon achieve? He destroyed Cadia, one of many worlds in the Imperium. Translated into MOTU this would mean the bad guys burned down a village and stole all the livestock. Tragic but hardly of any consequence. Failbaddon needs to enter the Imperial palace on Terra and dwell there for a couple of weeks/months before being expelled by whatever forces the Imperium can muster in order to make a name for himself. Defeating heroes or blowing up secondary planets will do diddly squat.

GW really is quite guilty of making an ass out of Chaos over the years. For too long, too many writers have been cheerleaders for the Imperium and haven't bothered to make Chaos sympathetic or relatable. There's been some progress in making the "villains" realistic, but we need a LOT more of it before the LOL cows shut the F up about Abaddon being armless or Iron Warriors kicking sand castles. God, they're so annoying!

So what you're saying is characterization of abbadon is basically "then everyone stood up and clapped" as a person lol. I mean fair enough, still like him though. By the way immediately after writers teleport abbadon away at seige, he starts to cry because he wanred to die with his bros. Is that cheesy or no?

Abadon may be terrible but Ghazkul is just as bad in this regard. The chosen of gork , a warboss who has failed waaaghs and fled cause he was bored. Most Ork nobz would of taken his head for the multitude of failures.

to answer your question, Mr. Exile, no, you went too soft on Abby. Unredeemable, uninteresting, and undeserving of the love he gets from chaos fan boys. I personally would've used more firey language when describing the worst Chaos character ever, but that's just me

I feel satisfaction when I see him get slapped around. I'm not even an Imperium fanboy, but I can't stand Abaddon. Memes or not. He is useless. The only use for his model is to convert into cooler things. An Arthas conversion, for example.

I’m going to be a bit upfront here I love the back Legion and Abaddon so I am biased. But how would Huron Blackheart be any better? Almost everything Huron has tried to achieve has failed. I honestly want to know because I don’t understand their love for him. I can understand hours. Now I don’t like him but I understand why someone can like him. disclaimer I understand that he’s poorly written and wish they could improve it. The black Legion novels were the best example of him. I think Abaddon suffers from Saturday morning cartoon syndrome. He was first created to be a big bad that the heroes of the imperium could conquer. Now GW wants to change him from being an evil brute to being a masterminded tactician that’s a warlord. That’s my hot take I would understand why people like it heron. The same complaints I have for heron seem to be thrown at Abaddon. Thanks for reading.

Does old man sigismund count? I mean baddydon barely won that. On topic though, HH abaddon is much better as he fits with how he should be.

Kind of pointing out the painfully obvious. Only GW and a small pool of FailAddon fanboys still defend that character. He was poorly written, was always just meant to a mini boss, and doesn't hold a candle to his daddy Horus. I think Huron Black Heart would be a better War Master. Fight me.

I honestly hate that Abaddon became so contemptuous of Horus. The sway that Primarchs naturally had over their legion was central to the Horus Heresy. Add in that everyone loved Horus, and I just dont get it. He just seems like a child throwing a tantrum, in my view.

Armless the Harmless, the cringiest cringelord of 40K

Unfortunately I think that a lot of Ork war bosses would batter him... which is sad because he's meant to be the big bad.

Abaddon just needs to die and be replaced. I genuinely think he's irredeemable as a competent character and it would give GW the chance to have new Chaos characters replace him.

Dont like the memes?! That not very "Iron Within" of you...