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Maybe the fading ashes symbolize that his wife and daughter have forgiven him.

The curse is lifting because he himself are changing. His character/personality is not the same Kratos from GoWIII. Most of his magic in GoWIII was powered by hope and the weopons he acquired. Hope was released by the Sword of Olympus to the people of Greece for them to rebuild. Kratos' immortality is bound by his nature since he is a god. Tartarus is a primordial place which cannot be destroyed. His powers are actually tied to that place when he received his Blades of Chaos. This is the reason he can still activate Spartan Rage and all his powers with the Blades are all fire based. This is also the reason he cannot get rid of the blades. It is part of his godhood. Kratos' powers are actually closer to the Titans because of this.

I don't think he lives long due to a curse. The curse is not to live forever, but to not be able to kill himself by suicide. Kratos simply lives forever because he's a God, not due to a curse. I also think that part of the reason why the Blades still have power is due to them having some essence of the primordial Chaos embedded in them (since they ARE after all the Blades OF CHAOS).

Actually, I think it was confirmed in Ascension that the oracle who cursed him might’ve been one of the furies because just before Kratos kills her she transforms into the oracle and says, “They were not there by chance, Spartan”.

i like to think the curse is tied to Kratos's grief around his involvement in the slaying of his family and them fading is Kratos slowly forgiving himself letting go of that grief that he held over his own head for so long.

Actually, the fire of the Blades Of Chaos are made of primordial fire. The fire that was used to create the entire universe in the game. Surtr said this in GOW: Ragnarok. When he saw the blades and felt their magic.

Another thing to consider? Kratos' family grew. It is no longer his firsþ wife and Calliope. Laufey, Atreas, Mimir, and more than likely Brok and Freya are now a part of it as well. The ash could simply be dull because he has more family and less to grieve. Similarly, the blades aint a factor in this conversation. Surtr recognized their magic as primordial fire. More than likely that Muspelheim and Tarterus are both tied to the original flame. Its the nature of a thing that matters. Not its form.

To bolster your theory even further, it’s pretty much confirmed that the Oracle who cursed him was Tisiphone one of the furies. In Ascension his ashes were fresh but also seemed the most burdening but after he killed them the ashes started looking more and more pale and until in GoW 3 they became the palest and now in 4 they are starting to fade away. It seems like the curse was already weaker before but with the death of his homeland the curse truly died. And perhaps some of the Hope inside him also washes this curse away too, as we know that it is more than magic and can outlive it.

The ashes are fading because he's doing good in the world, it started with giving Greece hope. He isn't solely responsible for the death of the Gods, they met their own demise at their own hands for the most part because of their own actions. He's not even solely responsible for the destruction and Chaos of Greece, I think as shown with Hera, Greece is tied to the Gods so that kind of brings back the idea that his powers are tied to Greece as well. But in theory the powers given to him would be bound to him as long as he's a live you would think, cuz it wasn't Zeus in God of War 2 that took his powers, he put his own powers into the Blade of Olympus. Cory barlog is going to have to write dialog on this in the next comic they release, cuz this ones hard to know. At least this is posed at the fan Theory, as opposed to being something more than that aside from being fun fan research.

A big reason the blades still work is because they are made with Primordial Fire, which isnt tied to one specific myth

I think that Kratos is finally forgiving himself and letting go of his pain and grief. He is moving on and finding peace.

There is a thing in norse myth of wich "that which is remembered ives". Kratos may be haunting himself and the story of the later GoW games may just be his journey to forgive himself for the past. Kratos has a lot of pain and destruction in his wake. I think the last two games are him learning both how to move past that wreckage of his traumatic life and forgive himself through the redemption of teaching his son to be better. But the visions of Athena I think are just that, Kratos keeping his old ghosts alive well past their time, and still struggling against them.

In greek mythology the gods ate food called ambrosia which was made from the fruit of the Elysium trees. Ambrosia is able to cure all disease, heal any wound of the body, resurrect the dead, and make anyone immortal. Being the god of war Kratos had access to ambrosia which would make him immortal. Also the norse have their own immortal fruit called the gold apples. Eating one apple will turn any one into a immortal.

Maybe Kratos knows the he lost his powers when he tried running on the wall with the boots of Hermes that he slipped and fell into a ravine and be like "useless boots"

The curse is also based on self forgiveness. Just a thought 🤔

Cool theory, I have my own theory for why the ashes are fading that has to do with fimblewinter, basically the curse was weakened to the point that it can no longer stay permanent, as for the blades they are infused with primordial fire that will burn no matter what, essentially the fire is less magic more force of nature

It’s literally stated in Ragnarok, the reason that the blades of chaos still retain its magical properties is because their primordial fire in them, which is not Tied down to Greek at all😅 primordials are being that were there before time and space

This was a very good video with some solid and interesting theories. I like that you gave different reasons for different things staying or going rather than just the easy "if one thing goes it all goes"

I think it could be more complicated than that. When you are discussing the possible powers he could have tried to recall, you are working on the assumption that he tried to call back those powers during the 2018 or Ragnarok games. He could have been referring to himself trying to call back those powers at previous points in his life. Just a thought.

What if the curse of immortality has been absorbed into his divinity and the curse of the ashes is powered by his divinity with the reason they are slowly fading is due to him forgiving himself and thus not "powering" the curse so it's like a dying battery that will eventually run out of juice.

What if Kratos' powers are fading because he holds back so much?

in the mask in ragnarok there are greek letters (im greek ive read them and researched them) that indicated that either athena from the higher plane of existance is trying something or that the mask is tied to all lands (i believe that cause it also had japanise letters on it and another type of letter that idk wth they are from along with ancient norse runes) so yeah i believe that in the future god of war we either gonna visit "new greece" or we gonna have trouble with athena (athena intefering witrh atreus search or harming him)...there are also a lot of hints in greek methology about the rift and the mask so yeah the next game is gonna be lit

The blades of chaos were made with primordial fire so its not magic that flows through the blades

This all makes me wonder how they’ll handle the adaptation. You can’t skip the Greek pantheon, but, let’s be honest: Kratos may be the STAR, but he’s NOT A HERO.

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Maybe the power he tried to summon is the power of the boots as in one trailer they are seen in his house so kratos might have kept them but hid them like he did the blades

I believe he tried summoning the power of the fates to go back in time.

The oracle was most likely athena in disguise

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The oracle clearly said, "fashioned to your skin, never to be removed"

His ashes are a curse for killing his family. The only way to remove them is to unkill his family.

I would likely attribute the powers he lost were tied to the godly power he relinquished to the people of Greece. Given that he had collected that power from Pandora's Box, it would be understandable to think that the powers he had as the Grecian God of War were also surrendered.

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Yes, Kratos lost all those powers at the end or beginning of each of the games but let's not forget that he did steal the soul of Hades. Therefore its possible that those are the powers he may have tried to bring forth

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The blades are primordial. From before gods

Welcome back my friend

In the Ragnarok game it was said about the Chaos Blades that there are primordial fires in them.

The blades of chaos originated in Greece but they power isn't from Greece. They're made with primordial fire, this fire is the fire that created all other fires. This same fire that Sutr has. Another thing is that the blades of Chaos are also powered by Primordial chaos. What is the power of chaos it's kind of confusing it's sort of creation

I am sure it is because he is forgiving himself more and more. He realizes that he can still be happy despite his torturous past. Now he only fights to protect his family and friends as well as the realm... as opposed to fighting for pure revenge in God of War 1-3.

that remix is sick

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As the ash is linked to his dead family, something about or linked to them should cause it to react outside of the curse. We know that calliope is in the fields of elysium. His wife's soul whereabouts were never explained.

The blades magic wasnt of Greek origin but primordial flames. It's implied to be older than the pantheon and possibly since all of creation. I think his ashes fading have to do with Kratos changing and in some way redeeming himself . On top of that there's a mural that indicates he will be worshiped and he's never really experienced that like the other gods have.

The orbs are just a gameplay mechanic, if the orbs had any canonical significance, they would have said so. Not all magic fades with the death of a land like Greece; for example, the blades of chaos still work and they still follow him when he tries to get rid of them. Also kratos is immortal because he’s a god, not because of a curse. Retcon.

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Credit to that old woman for giving Kratos the strongest curse ever that persisted not just for possibly centuries, but through entirely different worlds. Crone knew how to cook.

The blades of Chaos are made from primordial magic. That's an entity higher than just ancient Greece. All the worlds are powered by primordial magic (Egypt, Norseland, Greece, Ireland, ect)

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I mean his skin doesn’t look as pale as it did at the beginning of the first game heck it even looks like the ash is chipping almost

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I think the curse is being lifted because Kratos has since gow3 have truly accepted he did it to his family and by letting go of his rage or even just restricting his rage means that he is becoming a better human and to become a better human you must accept ur flaws and what u have caused and done

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If kratos's ash fades, it means his daughter and wife's souls are out there somewhere waiting to take form or something. Calliope is in the fields of elysium. We don't know if that place was intact when greece got destroyed. Kratos would still be a demi god and live with his old look when he was in the spartan army. My 2 cents. I would like to see someone create a theory vid exclusively on the fields of elysium's status after kratos left.

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sutr says that the blade share the shame primordial fire, maybe thats why its still working

the blades of chaos where made from chaos and primal fire forged in tartarus (chaos and primal fire are still there surter has it)

As surtr mentions in GOW Ragnarok, the blades of chaos contain Primordial Flame. This explains why they still work when Greece was destroyed.

the thing is look at how he was when the curse was placed apon him he was distraught angry yet upset to his very core the oracle placed the curse on him when he was in this state of mind and he never really had any moment without those feelings in god of war 3 he started key word "started" to come to terms with what he did and started to forgive himself but he stopped for a very long time not long after this was started he tried to bury it try to control his rage as the rage he felt back then blinded him completely he killed cassandra and coliope with his rage in full effect that he had at the time plus didnt anyone notice aswell the angrier he got throughout the games the more apparent the ashes were? the reason they were fading at the start was because he felt he could make up for what he did to his last family to atone for it in some way but his rage was still there so it was a very slow and gradual degredation of the ashes whenever he would lose it his ashes became more apparent even in 2018 when he let it out against thor in the first fight he was horrified he slipped everything came rushing back as if to say "you do this you let this rage out again the same thing will happen" the reason his ashes arnt as apparent now could be that the curse is as strong as his rage the rage is still there deep inside fighting to surface but he is trying to hold it back keep it under control and he does struggle. and for those who want to include the Ascencion game or before anyone says "how come his ashes were fully appearal then he had no memory of what happened as it was locked" the curse was still fresh for one it was still at its strongest especially considering he defied aries not long after his family were killed so max this was like what afew weeks at lowest max a couple months after this curse was placed on him? it was in the stride of the time it was cast on him then it got worse after his memories were unlocked after the furys and the son were killed then his rage sadness regret all these deep steep bad emotions surfaced and they never left, and now he still tries to forgive not just himself for that as he obviously still blames himself but to reflect on what he did and try to see it deeper then just "oh they killed me so i killed them back" it was never about the getting them back because they did it to him there were deeper reasons for this that he never really thought about, yes the curse cast apon him was greek but it's not the type everyone normally thinks of, its more of a self sustaining from the heart of the 1 who is cursed, and the magic he has tried to recall but can't it could be the orbs or it could be another power that only he knew about that he thought was greek, we are talking about a guy who did the impossible on the daily climbing out of hell itself defeating titans and gods taking out beings that only the gods were thought could face, i think its something he needs to find a piece of himself that he lost back then and canot recall it without it, being homesick can do many things people think wouldnt be relevent, all i ask is dont think of the obvious and the rediculous over zealous mearly only think of what its like for someone who knew nothing but war and lost everything he ever knew, curses only mearly amplify whats already there with the smallest little thing added in this case his familys ashes but the rest was what he had inside all along and what he did amplified it way more then he ever could have thought

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Tartarus is the deepest place of hell where the most powerful and wicked of beings went. It is a primordial location where the 1st fires of the world ignited. It's is not an entity.

Anything thing regarding kratos blades, (Slight Spoiler ahead) we learn from Suter when we speak to him about accompanying us on a task that there’s primordial fire in kratos blades, aka they were created before Greece or Norse worlds, we know primodials still exist, so that could be why his blades are unaffected

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I think it's lifting because the curse was meant to make sure he never forgives himself. As he's accepting his past and coming to terms with his mistakes and accepting he's the one to blame the curse lessens

that’s what i thought when i was playing look at his nose

I think the ashes fading is partially from the magic that cursed him dying with Greece, along with his wife and daughter forgiving him for what he did. But the only reason they haven’t truly faded away is because he is yet to forgive himself for what he did to earn the ashes. And I think if we ever see Kratos die, it would be nice for him to peacefully pass away, the ashes finally fading away for good as Kratos passes away.

Chaos is how the world is made it’s not tied to jus Greek it’s tied to every mythology and every world.. the primordial elements exist throughout everywhere which is why kratos’s blades still fire up

And the blades are made of primordial flame I think

Counter theory his god status body is instead absorbing the ashes. Instead of previously rejecting the power of the blades of chaos represent. And its the fact that Kratos is learning to come accept what has happened that is allowing him to grow stronger with the weapons he is gaining. Rather than the weapons being the godly power. As a result overall Kratos is getting STRONGER. However of course I would not be surprised if this ultimately comes as a double edged sword. Like the Zeus's sword, that will inevitably burn Kratos once again. As in Kratos gets so powerful that his strength consumes his defenses. In which he becomes a glass cannon. By becoming the ultimate god of war he becomes the ultimate weapon. The only issue with the "ultimate weapon." Is it ultimately can serve only one purpose and thats to destroy. Not defend.

The blades of chaos live because of primodial fire from what I have heard

I think it could be the power of hope that he is not able to summon like he did against zeus

About those blades and their flames, Sutur himself said that those blades have primordial flames. AKA, flames that came before other flames. Before the gods were born even. So the real reason would be that the Blades of Chaos still retain their flames after the fall of Greece is because those flames are primordial and cannot be extinguished as long as existence exists.

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i think because War will still exist in greece is the reason hes still a god and will be immortal, the domain for his "Magic" is over war and death, as long as the cycle continues so will he, the curse on his skin i do believe is because the oracle is dead but its slow due to her bloodline maybe continuing

I was expecting you to say hope as it was the last power he welded before he stabbed himself

Well there's still a few Greek gods Kratos didn't kill, grease was left morso in chaos, then a place of non-existent. Hope against corruption I must say, isn't much power otherwise it would have more influence, which in today's society it doesn't Play along with hope that, gave the powers back to a plane of existence which would be greased. Now if the powers he gained during God of War 1-3 (psp) are the ones he's referring to, those are still the ability of the Gods bestowed upon him which would still make those Powers his to weld even with the death of the Gods that gave him those powers. I'd prefer him to have said (I renounced those abilities) then say (those are powers he could not summon.) Or more or less tried to but couldn't. Hey in the next God of War he won't have good Leviathan axe, it doesn't make sense for him to wield it. That final battle with Zeus is how he lost his powers, you could say when he gave Greece hope. Think of what happened after he defeated Zeus, wandering around, didn't that scene effectively showcase him losing his abilities, or in a sense even giving them up? Well that's my thought on it, this is speech-to-text so I hope you can understand it.

I have a theory about why the blades of chaos are eternalaly bound to Kratos and what happened to them in between in games. My theory is that the Blades of Athena are the Blades of Chaos enchanted by Athena so that Kratos would not recognize them. On top of that someone in the higher plane for gods is who cursed the blades to come back to Kratos. These are just theories.

I wonder if Kratos is still bound by Norse and Greek prophecy because of Apollo since he is the god of prophecy, if he still alive it would make sense why Kratos shows up in more destiny related stuff. And, also the god of music, dance and art, so perhaps Tyr knows him from his travels to Greece, and the pottery in Tyr's temple was a gift from Apollo?

I think some of the colour will remain but most of it could fade away Scars remain wounds heal

in God of War 2018 after the first fight with Baldur we see Kratos regenerate himself though. He was badly injured and he regenerated his body. Idk, maybe by stabbing himself with the Blade of Olympus he also got all his powers back from all games, well ones that went into the blade at least. Idk.

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Well, it took some time for mimir to recognize that he was the ghost of sparta. If it didn't, mimir woulld've known right away.

I don't think any god has ever 'cursed' him to not die, probably he think someone has cursed him but nobody did, it's simply his denstiy causing him to not die, whenever he's been killed or tried to kill him, he was was saved by someone or the situtation was like that he got saved.

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The blades still work because they were made from primordial fire and primordial fire is mentioned in God Of War Ragnarok and Primordial fire is the same in the Norse mythology (Kratos world rn)