ACC, ESPN Contract EXPOSED: North Carolina Ready to Exit, Clemson, Florida State Vie for Big 10, SEC

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In December, Florida State became the first ACC member to sue the league. A South Carolina court has ordered the Atlantic Coast Conference to turn over documents about its agreements with ESPN that Clemson has requested in its lawsuit against the conference. The interim confidentiality order was released on Friday, providing safeguards to keep the requested documents from being released publicly. It said the ACC has seven days to produce unredacted documents about its TV deal with ESPN to Clemson. The order bars Clemson, a public university, from complying with any Freedom of Information Act requests unless the ACC gives written permission or the school is forced to do so by another court with "competent jurisdiction." Clemson sued the ACC in March, filed in South Carolina, and claimed the ACC's $140 million exit fee is "unconscionably high" and "unenforceable." The school also says the grant of rights only applies if Clemson is part of the conference and that if a school exits the league it retains control of the media rights to its home sporting events. An amended Clemson complaint released by the court asked the ACC for unspecified punitive damages for the league's "willful and malicious conduct" for its assertion that it should receive TV revenue from Tigers' games even if they were part of another conference.The legal action taken by Clemson against the ACC stems from the university's belief that the conference's policies and agreements, particularly regarding exit fees and media rights, are unjust and unenforceable. Clemson contends that the ACC's $140 million exit fee is excessively high and unreasonable, especially considering the circumstances surrounding a school's potential departure from the conference. Additionally, Clemson asserts that the grant of rights agreement should not apply if a school chooses to leave the conference, and that it should retain control over the media rights to its home sporting events in such a scenario.
By filing a lawsuit, Clemson aims to challenge the legitimacy of these ACC policies and seek legal recourse for what it perceives as unfair treatment by the conference. The university seeks clarity and potentially seeks changes to these policies through the legal process, which it views as necessary for protecting its interests and ensuring a fair and equitable relationship with the ACC.
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@WarHog38KCS 25 күн бұрын

ACC is never going to settle those lawsuits. Settling means the end of the ACC. The ACC TV Deal ends on June 30, 2027. ESPN will never extend that TV Deal past 2027. That is what will end the ACC.

@christopherhooter1937 25 күн бұрын

I hear ya. But they've got two big members gone rogue, and another in tabocco row (UNC) working in the shadows for the same effect. This dysfunction is damaging all members. It certainly can't be helping relations w ESPN to extend beyond 2027. Now, ACC is being countersued for real money - take that, back at ya. Lol - at some point, it's time to cut a deal

@jamesb0255 26 күн бұрын

Why would North Carolina leave the ACC? With Florida State and Clemson gone they actually have a chance at winning a conference championship in football. 😂

@tarheel7406 26 күн бұрын

FSU is leaving or being kicked, but where is CLEMSON going if only FSU is also gone?

@jamesb0255 26 күн бұрын

@@tarheel7406Well I would predict that Clemson is going wherever Florida State is going. Much like Oklahoma and Texas. Otherwise I could really care less.

@jamesb0255 26 күн бұрын

@@tarheel7406being kicked 😂😂😂 yeah no conference is going to kick out their number one revenue producer.

@tarheel7406 26 күн бұрын

@@jamesb0255 a) The B1G likely has no interest in CLEMSON, and the SEC likely has no interest unless packaged with UNC. b) The ACC has already switched to managing a decline to the Tier 2 level and considers FSU gone. FSU will leave or be kicked as part of resolving the litigation. It can no longer stay after burning the bridges and ships.

@tomdemay6147 26 күн бұрын

ACC is already behind in revenue. Without FSU or Clemson the football revenue will be nonexistant and they will be so far behind the P2 that they have no other choice but to move.

@edl7454 26 күн бұрын

The BIG10 and SEC want TV Football revenue. UNC would be another Vanderbilt or Northwestern in respective conferences. UNC does not have the stones to exit the ACC. They are getting paid nicely for a very very average football product.

@tarheel7406 26 күн бұрын

Still in denial huh?

@jona2080 26 күн бұрын

Brand and footprint are just as important.

@tarheel7406 26 күн бұрын

@@jona2080 FSU fans are generally unimpressive. There's no shame in being valued/wanted but behind UNC. Their egos won't accept.

@DKOBSpeaks 26 күн бұрын

Average is putting it nicely. Mediocre football AT BEST. Would never win the SEC B1G or The XII

@tarheel7406 26 күн бұрын

@@DKOBSpeaks Delusional....

@TheToddFather1969 26 күн бұрын

I am a lifelong (50 years) UNC fan. Let me say, in all sincerity, the arrogance at that university is staggering. I’ve never understood how a mediocre football program thinks so highly of itself. UNC is resting on it’s past basketball success, and they’re super proud of their non revenue sports. I don’t see the Big 12 in the future. It will stay put in the ACC and slowly wilt into obscurity, or join the BIG 10. I say this with a heavy heart because I love my Heels, but arrogance blinds logic almost all the time.

@tarheel7406 26 күн бұрын

Ignoring wildcard ND, over the course of this story, multiple reporters and analysts have stated that UNC is the top expansion target of the SEC and B1G ~and~ has been for some time. The reasons for this are both merit and fortune. Why is accepting this fact and planning accordingly arrogant?

@TheToddFather1969 26 күн бұрын

@@tarheel7406 I’m completely on board with leaving the ACC. I think a lot of Carolina fans would welcome it as well. But the powers that be are who I am speaking of. I’d rather Carolina be in the SEC than any other conference, but that’s just my preference.

@tarheel7406 26 күн бұрын

@@TheToddFather1969 Up until ~9 months ago, UNC was near certain to the B1G if/when. Things have changed and most all recent events and reports has UNC near certain to the SEC. My only current qualifiers are: a) UVA has apparently snubbed the SEC and may still go B1G. b) There's still a chance that the SEC will accept NCSTATE for a split.

@TheToddFather1969 26 күн бұрын

@@tarheel7406 I may be in the minority here but I would not hate State as much if they were in a different conference. I actually think it would be beneficial for everyone.

@tarheel7406 26 күн бұрын

@@TheToddFather1969 It would be a bad decision for UNC to go B1G if NCSTATE goes SEC and get all of those advantages. I'd rather go to the SEC with NCSTATE than the BIG under most any scenario.

@pgutter6156 22 күн бұрын

I think the BIG10 is getting 4 teams eventually. FSU, Clemson, ND and UNC. Miami big 12.

@ChefDeCuisine_Bubba 25 күн бұрын

Asthe Clemson Insider says... "Clemson points to Article X, Section 11 of the South Carolina Constitution, which provides,.. “Neither the State nor any of its political subdivisions shall become a joint owner of or stockholder in any company, association or corporation.” Therefore, Clemson cannot legally enter into a join venture. The ACC is standing on the grounds that they have entered into just such a contract which is non enforceable via the SC Constitution.. scotus gonna get involved, just as FSU said, they would fight it all the way to the scotus

@jamesb0255 26 күн бұрын

Are you really that naive? Do you think Clemson's lawyers and the powers at be or not going to share what is included in that document? Also the competent jurisdiction They are talking about is in North Carolina. Not South Carolina. Florida State will definitely find out what is in those documents. Particularly if this goes to Discovery.

@tarheel7406 26 күн бұрын

Contempt of court is a thing. Competent jurisdiction includes any court with same.

@Dqzmngf7530 26 күн бұрын

UNC is mediocre at best in football and living in the past for basketball! In other words, it’s a 💩 school and the B12 needs to stay from it 💯

@tarheel7406 26 күн бұрын

Sour grapes?

@deangelojenkins8076 23 күн бұрын

It's plenty 💩 schools in the big ten now

@deangelojenkins8076 23 күн бұрын

Big 12*

@SvdSinner 26 күн бұрын

I hate at how good you are at keeping us football fans locked in even during the off-season.

@jamesb0255 26 күн бұрын

North Carolina is such a great academic institution They don't actually have to have real classes!

@josephcernansky1794 26 күн бұрын

Especially if you have muscles and can handle balls. 🤣 (I think Gen Z turned "pocket pool" into a new Olympic sport)

@nnonotnow 26 күн бұрын

The Big 12 is wise to pick up the scraps from the ACC. Please don't take this as a put down but the Big 12 is the third best conference in the country and I think that's going to pay well for you.

@tarheel7406 26 күн бұрын

LOL... Without any reasonable doubt, the new BIG12 is the worst (by far) P4 in athletics, academics, prestige and media value. In context, the new BIG12 s all scraps.

@davidfloyd9134 26 күн бұрын

Fact is no one wants SMU

@tarheel7406 26 күн бұрын

Obviously untrue. The ACC wanted as part of its managed decline to the BIG12's Tier 2 level. I'm confident that a rebuilt Tier 2 PAC would want. Fact is that there's really not much difference in SMU, TCU and BAYLOR all other things being equal. All G5 equivalents that work at the Tier 2 level.

@panchogeorocks 26 күн бұрын

@@tarheel7406ACC only took SMU and other Pac 12 schools just to 'survive' and stay put. No one else would've taken them but the ACC.

@tarheel7406 26 күн бұрын

@@panchogeorocks Nope. CAL/STANFORD were added to sate ND and get some binding assurances that it will stay. SMU is more of an open question. At the Tier 2 level, SMU is no different than TCU or BAYLOR. All work at the Tier 2 level. Value is relative. Of the 4Cs and CALFORD, the BIG12 wanted the 4Cs and the ACC preferred CALFORD. A Texas school is different than yet another Texas school. Regardless, all Tier 2 football will have fungible value and power.

@DKOBSpeaks 26 күн бұрын

UConn brings more to the table than UNC in basketball. UNC football is a glorified G5. Houston UCF Cincinnati are far superior.

@panchogeorocks 26 күн бұрын

@tarheel7406 regardless the ACC is dying! Once Clemson and FSU dip out. It's dead in the water🤣😭. The B1G and SEC are king! Like it ot not. Any argument at this point is a moot point at best. Clemson and FSU have literally carried the ACC and they want out.

@reconsoldier135 26 күн бұрын

The Power 5 became the Power 4 and will soon be the Power 3, SEC B1G and Big XII

@wiltchamberlainisthegoat13 26 күн бұрын

And college sports are about to die anyway. This is all so pointless. Then we will drop to 2 Power Conferences…..then just one….lol. With 1 power conference, then we are all basically just independents! 😵‍💫😬🫣

@tarheel7406 26 күн бұрын

There will be no peer P3. If the ACC heavily depletes out to the SEC/B1G, the BIG12 won't matter either.

@josephcernansky1794 22 күн бұрын

@@tarheel7406 This ALL depends how many The B1G expands to....Does it stay as a "large conference"? or just SCRAP that idea and become a FULL-BLOWN LEAGUE?!!! With 24+ members. Which means that the SEC will also HAVE TO keep pace and then their goes the rest of the ACC ....AND Big 12 too!!😵‍💫 I also can see one possibly two SEC teams switching sides.😵‍💫

@philipcasesa3998 24 күн бұрын

Yeah, don't you other ACC teams get involved in determining your own destiny. Let the brave lead the way. FSU sets the standard for a reason.

@adamb6370 26 күн бұрын

I think UNC is the ACC line in the sand. They will soon settle with FSU/Clemson and then will use all NC political, social, and legal tools available to keep them in place. I also don’t think UNC has the same desperation to get out that they will take aggressive actions and can be pressured to remain in place to their own detriment.

@fredstreszoff 26 күн бұрын

That may have changed as they found they didn’t have the dollars the SEC and B1G teams had to compete for elite players in the transfer portal

@tomdemay6147 26 күн бұрын

UNC wants out. They are playing long game though because they aren't worried about football they can tank the bad revenue for the short term. They want to wait till FSU and Clemson leave. Then they will get their share of the exit fees and they can lay the blaim on Clemson and FSU for "destroying the conference". They will claim they are way to far back in revenue (Which will be true) and they will use that as excuse to move to P2. I actually HATE UNC but its a smart strategy what they are doing.

@adamb6370 26 күн бұрын

@@tomdemay6147 maybe but how are they going to respond when the ACC makes them the sole focus of the conference…

@ericlofroos2405 24 күн бұрын

No offense, but FSU would go Independent, before they would go to the Big 12.

@hurricanehaze4727 26 күн бұрын

I really feel like ESPN his going to try to make a deal with FSU and Clemson to get them to the SEC. I think Clemson takes the deal and FSU says no. Clemson and North Carolina go SEC. While FSU and Miami go to B1G.

@alanrobinson9021 26 күн бұрын

The only deal ACC will cut is $50M

@daviddejesus5376 26 күн бұрын

That sounds about right hurricane. I think that will happen with some sort of side deal for NC State.

@mikemulrennan7948 26 күн бұрын

FSU is lining up as a major research institution which is more like the B1G programs.. the research dollars are up there.. it’s more than just about athletics. Most of The SEC schools are average for academics. I think SEC would prefer UNC and Virginia to Clemson and FSU for that reason. Also geography.. moving up the Atlantic Coast in the SE.

@jansonroberts2616 26 күн бұрын

@@mikemulrennan7948 currently, FSU would be ranked 6th in the SEC. Stop drinking the kool-aid.

@kennethmayner 26 күн бұрын

Is there actual Big 12 athletics news going on?

@traynificent 19 күн бұрын

Notre Dame looks like geniuses

@user-we8eb4nf6s 15 күн бұрын

They need to sue,unless they know something that hasn’t been announced

@ChefDeCuisine_Bubba 25 күн бұрын

Unc is the next to sue

@rlhaff3560 26 күн бұрын

Don't kid yourself, all the talk about academics sounds good, but the BIG10 wants FSU... UNC brings a lot, but the state of Florida brings some of the best recruiting and TV viewership in the nation. And in case you didn't notice, this is all about MONEY. The BIG12 has done EVERYTHING right to not only stay alive, but to position themselves to be the 3rd conference in the big game. I also think that they will grow over time to eventually compete financially with the SEC and BIG10... there is PLENTY of room for 3 conferences.

@AncientWisdomUnveiledCDW 26 күн бұрын

I totally agree

@tarheel7406 26 күн бұрын

a) FSU will wither on a B1G island. b) There will be no peer P3.

@jamesb0255 26 күн бұрын

Do you see three conferences in the NFL? No you don't, that's because it doesn't work.

@jamesb0255 26 күн бұрын

@@tarheel7406You again... Spouting unrealistic and delusional comments.

@tarheel7406 26 күн бұрын

@@jamesb0255 Why? a) On a B1G island, FSU will wither relative to the surrounding SEC competitors due to less attractive matchups, less regional exposure, fewer recruiting advantages. FLOIRDA's extended fanbase would increase at the expense of FSU's. b) How can the BIG12 ever get back to Tier 1 peer in the foreseeable future?

@stevemartinat8537 19 күн бұрын

FSU is overvaluing their football program. Very unlikely to be able to compete for either B1G or SEC titles on a regular basis. A good fb program but not great with up and down win totals going from 3 to 13 over last 10 years. Clemson or UNC with its national brand plus basketball are better choices. FSU’s major advantage for B1G admission is they are in Florida, not so for SEC admission. Maybe B12 is there only viable choice.

@marcbruno3640 26 күн бұрын

It is no longer about TV markets....none left....now it is about geography

@thegravy42 26 күн бұрын

I agree about TV market but now it’s all about brand and viewership

@user-we8eb4nf6s 15 күн бұрын

Tarheels have their choice of conferences,they are waiting for the smoke to clear before deciding where to go

@Bbbmurr 26 күн бұрын

The state government won't let unc leave without nc state Zero % chance the bigten will take nc state. The bigten will take 2 either notre dame and Florida st or Miami and Florida st

@tarheel7406 26 күн бұрын

If in the end the State of NC can't force a coattail of NCSTATE, I doubt that it will sacrifice a crown ewel.

@tomdemay6147 26 күн бұрын

thats actually not the law. the law says they can both move if they have solid landing spots. Worst case scenario NC State will get Big 12 bid and that will be enough to allow UNC to go to P2.

@josephcernansky1794 26 күн бұрын

IF The B1G does invite UNC...they already vetted them years ago but opted for Maryland and Rutgers. (To keep Penn State happy and get them to re-sign the membership contract.)....but if/when UNC goes to The B1G...the SEC will have to "keep up with the Jones"....and invite NC State...which would be stupid to turn that down.....So yes....the NC Legislature may get involved but only to keep that end-of-season rivalry game going while both are in TWO DIFFERENT LEAGUES!! The other question that is MORE INTRIGUING IS.....what about UVA and VA Tech? Each have important criteria to consider.....VA Tech the better brand yet UVA has that "pedigree"? Would The B1G offer both? Or neither?! And would The B1G even offer UNC or Miami now?

@tarheel7406 26 күн бұрын

@@josephcernansky1794 "IF The B1G does invite UNC...they already vetted them years ago but opted for Maryland and Rutgers." UNC rejected the B1G, which settled on MD/RUT.

@josephcernansky1794 22 күн бұрын

@@tarheel7406 It was NEVER revealed by ANYONE....WHY the UVA/UNC to Big 10 didn't go through. I do KNOW that it was very evident that MD/Rutgers were chosen to keep Penn State happy. THAT was EXPLICITLY stated. so they would have closer Eastern opponents (they wanted to call them "rivals", LOL). But the Tv revenue from MD/Rutgers was very comparable to UNC/UVA. SOOOO many posters have NO clue what FACTS and NUMBERS are nor do they care...just emotional fandom. VA Yech has more "branding" than UNC and far MORE than UVA.....it's just UNC/UVA have the PEDIGREE....and these are still (supposed to be) "educational intuitions." I personally HOPE that The B1G "conference" departs from "conference" paradigm and FULLY embraces the LEAGUE paradigm! 24+ with good schools/programs all up and down the East Coast. A full East Coast "division". Restore/ PRESERVE rivalries and RESTORE REGIONALITY.

@slibertas1996 26 күн бұрын

All of them need to be released publicly immediately

@rx2878 26 күн бұрын

1st off UNC is literally everything that Clemson & FSU complain about in the ACC. Like. Literally. Everything. Secondly get a real NC guy in there to talk about UNC. This guy is not it.

@tarheel7406 26 күн бұрын

About what is there to complain? UNC is the biggest and most successful athletic brand in the ACC and is the best (or among) academic public school in the ACC.

@rx2878 26 күн бұрын

@@tarheel7406 Read your statement. That's literally what FSU is complaining about. The superior academics, Non revenue sports, Olympic sports. THEY HATE IT. They refuse to respect UNC & Dukes blue blood status in basketball. When Clemson went on their own big run years ago FSU was fuming with jealousy at how much the other ACC teams & the nation applauded Clemson They believe that Football is the only thing that matters in college sports (even though they chirp on and about their college baseball team too). Remember FSU and Clemson complained and preferred to bring Louisville in. FSU and lately even Clemson have always had an issue with "Tobacco Road" and the most prominent leader of Tobacco road... University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. Swofford, Holden Thorp, John Skipper, all UNC alums on both sides of the deal. They hate the Academic foundation of the ACC as the Eastern/Atlantic Basketball conference. UNC is the embodiment of all of this. Lately they only pretend not to hate in order for UNC to detonate the conference for them leave for free... even now UNC still holds the most power even without football..

@tarheel7406 26 күн бұрын

@@rx2878 a) Actually, FSU has an inferiority complex and has recently risked its football to improve those other sports. FSU wants to be peer with FLORIDA (and UNC). Yes, FSU hates being inferior, but that seems different than your position. b) UNC & DUKE respect FSU's status as a football power. FSU was added to tentpole ACC football. If FSU refuses to return the respect in other sports, that just proves FSU has no class and isn't upper right. c) CLEMSON likely doesn't like the power/influence of T-Road, but it's smart enough to recognize the UNC is the most attractive ACC member to most of the outside. This is why CLEMSON has allied with UNC during the realignment. d) Yes, FSU and CLEMSON pushed for the expansions from the old BIGEAST, all of which have failed to meet expectations. T-Road had some degree of objections and preferred UCONN over L'VILLE (the compromise choice). e) If FSU/CLEMSON don't value the academic branding of the ACC and its valuing overall sports, they should go to BIG12, as that's the best fit. f) Swofford pushed for things over UNC objections, including the previously referenced expansion. So, in the end, FSU & CLEMSON hate being inferior to UNC. Gotcha.

@tarheel7406 26 күн бұрын

@@rx2878 BTW... CLEMSON has next to no chance of a B1G invite, and the B1G will consider FSU as a Forrest Gump. Both are disposable to the SEC. As a founder, CLEMSON has far more respect and influence in the ACC than it will ever have in the SEC and forget about the B1G. As an ACC football tentpole, FSU is in a similar situation. Value, power and influence is spread out far more in the ACC than it is in the B1G and likely the SEC. A move to the SEC or B1G will exacerbate CU/FSU's "hate" concerns. They would be the top dogs in the BIG12.

@rx2878 26 күн бұрын

@@tarheel7406 FSU's inferiority complex stems from being as geographically close to Alabama as they are to much of Florida. Culturally FSU is like a little Alabama step-cousin. So filled with insecurities and jealousy of BAMA and the recent success of Clemson. Because Clemson was so beloved winning eliminated the excuses for FSU. Being so down in the gutter in the ACC for several years almost a decad even being tormented by taking loses to Wake Forest. FSU especially forgets that the ACC affiliation really help their academic profile tremendously. Remember schools actually earn more from enrollment when out of state are not ashamed to attend the former girls teaching school. FSU with a SMALL ahem..endowment even believe that a non-Flagship non AAU school deserves to be in the B1G 10 for a full share, more that Washington & Oregon Flagships. Wow. Beyond the propaganda disinformation campaign employed by FSU ambulance chasers is conspiracy theories about tobacco rd, the Triangle area, North Carolina, Charlotte, "what did Swofford know and when did he know it" Etc....UNC has always been the single most target or ire until the recent magnificent 7

@ilovegod7539 15 күн бұрын

Man is the Big 12 so bad you don't have to talk about the ACC all the time

@mark8337 26 күн бұрын

No chance in the world UNC joins the Big 12. No chance in the world Clemson joins the Big 12. You’re dreaming.

@justadude99 26 күн бұрын

Clemson to the Big 12 isn't as far fetched as it may first seem. They are a small private school in a small state, and they aren't AAU. So there is very little chance the BigTen wants them. As far as the SEC, the SEC's marketing footprint almost completely overlaps them already, University of South Carolina will certainly oppose them, as will probably Georgia and Tennessee who are both less than 100 miles away and are intense recruiting rivals with Clemson. The Big12 is the best remaining option for Clemson if the P2 pass.

@kennymankennyman3980 26 күн бұрын

The ACC and ESPN don't want what's written in the contract to get out to the media. I believe ESPN will make the ACC negotiate and release Clemson and FSU from the conference or ESPN may not renew the ACC contract after 2026.

@tarheel7406 26 күн бұрын

a) Who will want FSU or CLEMSON after such threats and scorched earth tactics? b) Specifically, where will CLEMSON go if only FSU is also leaving?

@kennymankennyman3980 25 күн бұрын

@@tarheel7406 The SEC or Big10. Scorched earth? Geez man.

@tarheel7406 25 күн бұрын

@@kennymankennyman3980 Nope. The SEC sees FSU and CLEMSON as disposable. The B1G may have an interest in FSU, none in CLEMSON. Geez man, have you not followed this story?

@kennymankennyman3980 24 күн бұрын

@@tarheel7406 OK. Come back to this reply when Clemson and FSU are in the SEC.

@tarheel7406 24 күн бұрын

@@kennymankennyman3980 To be clear, the SEC will likely take CLEMSON as part of securing UNC. It may also take FSU, but UNC will not attempt to help. Nevertheless, as things stand, the SEC has no interest in either CLEMSON nor FSU together or separately.

@lyndalolson3067 26 күн бұрын

If Yormark in some form or fashion can convince Notre Dame to play in the Big 12...Very good chance the Big 12 will land North Carolina.. Virginia ..Duke and Florida State.

@tarheel7406 26 күн бұрын

Nope. The ACC tolerates ND in other sports for the football concessions. Regardless, ND is not joining the already depleted BIG12. It would have already joined the ACC between those 2 options.

@tcjjack 19 күн бұрын

UNC better learn how to beat G Tech before they set their eyes on B10 or SEC.

@richardoneal1055 26 күн бұрын

Nonrevenue sports will eventually go to local conferences. I like what's being proposed in the NC legislators. I wish Florida would do the same.

@webmoore4353 26 күн бұрын

State and local govt needs to sit down and stay out of it

@ProductionAdmin 26 күн бұрын

non rev sports are going away. Watch it happen.

@webmoore4353 24 күн бұрын

No they won’t. Big conferences value it and sell packages to niche audiences. This proposal is a wish list. Like super conferences that are north and south only. Geography will remain mixed

@fwilliamcony28 21 күн бұрын

@@webmoore4353 Great idea! Hopefully the voters in NC will wisely choose whom will best govern their state in November. Political interference can derail the power/influence that its best schools have proudly achieved and earned.

@tallyrc 26 күн бұрын

every metric he offers for UNC, FSU made more Sense. FSU draws way bigger numbers even in a state competitive with other teams also drawing huge numbers. FSU has better Olympic or non-revenue sports. The AAU thing is tired. FSU is like the 19th ranked public institution in the country which is higher than all but like the top third of the Big ten. There's no way in hell UNC wants to hang out with the lowlifes in the SEC. Clemson and state to the SEC UNC FSU to the Big ten. Book it. Miami to the big12 but maybe big10

@tarheel7406 26 күн бұрын

Confused and delusional.... a) UNC has the far bigger overall athletic brand and more holistic value. b) FSU's non-revenue sports are far below UNC's. c) AAU is important to college presidents, who make these decisions. d) The B1G is waning while the SEC is waxing on all fronts. That UNC is far more attractive to the SEC and B1G notwithstanding the difference in football proves the extremely high holistic and relative value of UNC.

@jansonroberts2616 26 күн бұрын

FSU would only be at number 6 in the SEC academically currently. UNC has much better non revenue sports programs. UNC will join the SEC if and when they leave the ACC. Book it.

@ct7843 25 күн бұрын

Fsu needs to go to sec

@tallyrc 23 күн бұрын

@@tarheel7406 by what measure does UNC have a bigger brand since you're clearly not using people that actually watch and care about the games?

@tarheel7406 23 күн бұрын

@@tallyrc a) Bigger overall athletic brand. UNC is recognized by the colors alone. b) As is typical of FSU fans, you clearly don't know where FSU stands relative to other P5/P4 schools, as proven by your ignorant claim about non-revenue sports.

@basedjiren3889 26 күн бұрын

People overrate UNC, Virginia, and Virginia Tech's worth in all these talks. None of those schools have enough football chops worth enough value. Streaming will take over soon and realignment is more about premium matchups to drive up revenue. None of those 3 bring any premium matchups

@tarheel7406 26 күн бұрын

Think within a closed ~48 team P2.

@justadude99 26 күн бұрын

"Football Chops" aren't the most important factor. Do you think the Big10 added Rutgers and Maryland for their dominant football programs? The SEC and Big 10 already have more than enough blue-blood and purple blood programs to ensure they will have a good product every season. Both conferences are already loaded to the point that they have the luxury of focusing on expanding media footprints. On the other hand, the Big12 desperately needs to add some stronger "brands" to fuel relevance.

@basedjiren3889 25 күн бұрын

@@justadude99 the B1G definitely regrets adding both

@justadude99 25 күн бұрын

@@basedjiren3889 As Big10 teams cash their massive new media rights checks, I guarantee you they do NOT regret adding the New York/New Jersey and Baltimore/DC markets.

@elliotthoward4738 26 күн бұрын

The ACC are dirt bags and how in the hell did they get all those teams to sign anything involving this ACC in fact it’s so bad why would any of these teams bother to join SEC because espn owns the SEC too !

@elvangulley3210 26 күн бұрын

You don't see sec teams complaining sec is doing just fine maybe the acc should be mad at itself for having a string of bad commissioners that negotiate worth a flip

@elliotthoward4738 26 күн бұрын

@@elvangulley3210 bro they ESPN signed those teams to 100 yr contract and they don’t get to see the signed contract lmao 🤣 like what man ESPN is the devil 👿

@powell4661 26 күн бұрын

The teams that are members of the ACC ARE the ACC.

@elvangulley3210 26 күн бұрын

@@elliotthoward4738 and they didn't have to sign it big 10 went full fox acc could have done the same so the acc is terrible at negotiations or espn didn't value them and the acc agreed they were worthless both are acc issues not sec/espn issues

@elliotthoward4738 26 күн бұрын

@@elvangulley3210 bull crap lol ESPN got the ACC teams for cheap FSU and Clemson was dirt cheap to add FSU or Clemson I guarantee they would have to pay them way more possibly the same as vandy if they added them to the SEC

@jeffmorgan9337 26 күн бұрын

Only takes two , lol don't get me wrong love fandom hope they acc stays afloat ,can't wait for great matchups like cal - bc ,smu - wf ,Stanford- syracuse , uva anybody really marquee matchups 😂

@tarheel7406 26 күн бұрын

From a regional/cultural interest, these matchups are better than vs. BIG12 teams just like the BIG12 would feel about their own.

@garygodorov-kw6jm 25 күн бұрын

sorry Big 12 you will get leftovers from ACC. SEC and Big 10 then Big 12. Duke, UNC Virginia FSU Clemson will be big 10 or SEC Big 12 the gaps get bigger

@MotleyDawg034 26 күн бұрын

Go💀Dawgs

@wrecktalk 26 күн бұрын

Can I predict your next 5 videos? Acc definitely over, Acc is even more done, FSU and Clemson are definitely out, What UNC just did changes everything, ACC way more definitely done for sure now I swear!

@tarheel7406 26 күн бұрын

To be fair, he needs content. Once TX/OK left, the BIG12 essentially became irrelevant to realignment (the biggest story).

@wrecktalk 26 күн бұрын

@@tarheel7406 damn …

@TotalDrganMania 26 күн бұрын

@@tarheel7406 Who cares. I see you posting this everywhere. Big 12 fans will continue to watch, some fans outside the conference will tune in. The Big 12 isn't irrelevant, especially compared to the G5 conferences. Yeah, it's not as mighty as the B1G or SEC, but the parity in that league is unmatched by the P2. That will draw eyes. Most of the Big 12 teams aren't likely to win a natty any time soon, but honestly, it's whatever. Most fans are loyal to their schools only, so, my point is, your constant belittling of the Big 12 is meaningless

@tarheel7406 26 күн бұрын

@@TotalDrganMania You appear to do better than most B12 fans at accepting the reality, but "who cares" appears to be many others given how many related vids are posted. The BIG12 was the first P5 to fully deplete out and get set as a Tier 2. The PAC didn't even so survive. The ACC will likely end up like the BIG12. There will be a market for Tier 2 football, and there will likely be a separate playoff for same. As soon as the BIG12 accepts its situation, the P5 remainders can better prepare for that Tier 2 world. I'm interested in how that world should be.

@johngarnergarner6724 26 күн бұрын

There's one thing you guys are missing in this conversation when it comes to UNC: They are glaringly different than Clemson and Florida State. Clemson and Florida State want to leave the ACC. Carolina does not. That's what it boils down to. They know that the SEC and Big Ten are available to them. They wouldn't entertain the Big XII because they won't have to. They would absolutely prefer to remain in the ACC. That's their first choice. But they also know that remaining in the ACC may not be an option . The powers that be are well aware that upon the departure of Clemson and FSU, ESPN is going to walk away from the ACC's media deal. And in that scenario, Carolina's hand will be forced. They will have no choice. I will say this much. I live close to Chapel Hill and am an alum. Football is just not that important to us. Sure, we'd love to have a good team, but if we win seven or eight games a year we are perfectly happy. Hell, we've lost to NC State three years in a row and really couldn't care less. Basketball is a different matter. We want to beat Duke and when we do 50,000 are going to spill out onto Franklin street in a mad rush. It's a beautiful thing to behold. We'd rather beat Duke than win a national championship. The Tar Heels are going to just sit back and see what happens with Clemson and FSU. They are in no hurry! But no, they wouldn't entertain joining the Big XII. Behind the scenes, the SEC and Big Ten both have assured UNC that have a spot waiting.

@tarheel7406 26 күн бұрын

a) USC/UCLA didn't want to leave the PAC; they had to. b) UNC has aspirations to win in all sports, including football. Basketball is the choice between the two. c) Why would ESPN not renew a great deal even if it's not as great?

@johngarnergarner6724 26 күн бұрын

@@tarheel7406 I don't have an answer for anything you've posed. Like many, I'm simply speculating. You might be right on UNC leaving the ACC. They might have no other choice but to depart. That was the essence of my point. I will say this much: I don't see the ACC completely going away like the PAC XII. The ACC will exist but will be watered down by having to elevate schools from the lesser conferences

@tarheel7406 26 күн бұрын

@@johngarnergarner6724 a) UNC secured contingent SEC and B1G invites soon after the TX/OK news. It then preferred the B1G if/when. Remember the FOIA disclosure after the ISC/UCLA news? b) The ACC has already preemptively backfilled for ~4 departures. It should survive as a peer Tier 2 with the new BIG12.

@johngarnergarner6724 26 күн бұрын

@@tarheel7406 Okay, so who is the fourth departure?

@tarheel7406 26 күн бұрын

@@johngarnergarner6724 Note the tilde (~). UVA's status in unknown.

@artpowers812 26 күн бұрын

There you go again, Clemson has had the GOR from the beginning, this whole thing spins the separate nature of the GOR and ESPN media deal as being one documents or 2 parts of the same document. The GOR sets out what Clemsons rights and responsibilities are.

@goose4284 22 күн бұрын

It’s not rocket science, it’s all about the money. Any non big 2 get an offer they are gone. Geography is no factor, sports played is no factor. It’s all $$$$$$$

@benjaminhawkes6693 26 күн бұрын

Drake loves him some wildly unrealistic fantasy realignment.

@ClevelandRams65 26 күн бұрын

This is one Carolina fan who will burn all his $#!+ if they go to the b10. We are a SOUTHERN SCHOOL so the SEC is where we should be.

@treyabbey6477 26 күн бұрын

The B1G already has a problem with bad football teams. They don't need another in North Carolina.

@tarheel7406 26 күн бұрын

@@treyabbey6477 The BIG is already waning in overall competitiveness and will soon wane in value. It's not the conference of the foreseeable future. UNC will wisely go SEC.

@treyabbey6477 26 күн бұрын

@@tarheel7406 I'm sure the powers that be know what they're doing. They're able to get the most money of any conference with just 2-3 good football schools.

@tarheel7406 26 күн бұрын

@@treyabbey6477 The B1G powers that be know that it's facing an increasingly compelling demo problem. The B1G has reached its highwater mark unless it effectively and heavily expands south, which is one of the reasons why where UNC goes is so pivotal.

@mikemiller4726 20 күн бұрын

Anyone who knows anything knows Disney is bleeding money and is in bad shape but sure that’s the better deal. Wake up

@williamgessler1759 25 күн бұрын

No offense, but you have to look at UNC, UVa etc. from their point of view. Why would they want to play OK St, Cincy, C FL instead of Ohio St, Michigan or Alabama, Georgia? Absolutely preposterous thinking this would happen. UNC really is the Crown Jewel over Clemsons and even FSU if it decided to leave the ACC. The Big 10 will only take AAU schools in a big market, or schools close to attaining AAU status. SEC is more concerned with market expansion. UNC, Virginia, GA Tech, FSU fit the Big 10 criteria, as does Duke ( unlikely, though). FSU is close to AAU status. In fact, Kansas has a better chance leaving for the Big 10 than UNC joining the Big 12.

@ronlawson733 25 күн бұрын

UNC ain't even the crown jewel in the acc. 😆. Dam

@brandonjones557 26 күн бұрын

click bait

@jamesbusald7097 26 күн бұрын

The Big 12, up until the last 2 years, has been the best conference in head to head competition post 2000. Look it up. A decade from now the Big 12 will be the envie of everyone else. We kicked the riff raff out.

@tarheel7406 26 күн бұрын

Best in what? Football Playoff Appearances, 1st Rd Wins, Nattys (per Wiki 2015-2024) ACC: 8-4-2 (Includes 1 of 2 ND appearances) B12: 2-1-0 (Excludes OK; includes Cincy) B1G: 12-5-2 (Includes Oregon & Washington) PAC: 0-0-0 (Excludes Oregon & Washington) SEC: 17-10-6 (Includes OK & TEXAS) Final Four Appearances, 1st Rd Wins, Nattys (per Wiki 2015-2024. 2020 N/A) ACC: 9-5-3 B12: 5-3-2 (Excludes OK; includes Houston) BIGEAST: 6-4-4 SEC: 5-0-0 (Includes OK) B1G: 7-3-0 (Includes Oregon & UCLA)

@jamesbusald7097 26 күн бұрын

@@tarheel7406 Head to head. The Big 12 has kicked everyones ass for the last 25 years. You are talking about subjective things. In objective head to head competition the Big 12 is by far the best. My original comment made my point but your education wasn't in reading comprehension apparently. So I restated it.

@tarheel7406 26 күн бұрын

@@jamesbusald7097 The top-level success numbers provided above are not subjective. The new BIG12 is the worst P4 in athletics by far be these measurements. BCS Runner Ups - Champs (2000 - 2014) ACC: 4-3 (Includes VATECH, MIAMI, ND) B12: 0-0 (Excludes NEB, OK, TX) B1G: 5-2 (Includes NEB, USC, ORE) PAC: 0-0 (Excludes USC, ORE) SEC: 6-10 (Includes OK, TEX) Final Four Appearances, 1st Rd Wins, Nattys (per Wiki 1985-2024, 2020 N/A) ACC: 40-22-12 (Excludes MD; includes L'VILLE, CUSE & STANFORD) B12: 22-11-5 (Excludes OK & TX; includes ARIZ, CINCY, UTAH & HOUSTON) BIGEAST: 18-11-9 (Includes MARQ) SEC: 26-11-6 (Includes OK, ARK & TX) B1G: 34-11-5 (Includes UCLA, MD & OREGON)

@justadude99 26 күн бұрын

@@jamesbusald7097 The best measure of head-to-head has always been bowl games, since they generally involve at least above-average teams playing each other as opposed to mismatches that occur during the regular season. In the 12 seasons since Texas A&M & Mizzou moved to the SEC, the bowl records were as follows: SEC = 77-50 (0.606 - excludes SEC-vs-SEC national title games) Big10 = 54-51 (0.514) Big12 = 43-44 (0.494) Pac12 = 41-47 (0.466) ACC = 52-62 (0.456) BTW, the further you go back through the early 2000's, the greater the advantage is for the SEC. I actually did the math a couple of years ago in a similar post - the SEC had a very dominant run in the last half of the 2000's decade.

@tarheel7406 26 күн бұрын

@@justadude99 With the bowls now being irrelevant and the opt outs, they are no longer a valid measure. Far more telling is how OK was winless in the 4-team playoff, which suggests that the BIG12 was weak and did not prepare as opposed to (e.g.) CLEMSON, which did win and was prepared.

@Sire638 26 күн бұрын

Dude can't get it threw his head UNC IS GOING TO BIG 10 NOT LOSERVILLE BIG 12!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@MountainWreck 26 күн бұрын

RInse and repeat from LOB12

@timothycunningham3983 26 күн бұрын

EVENTUALLY ITS GOING TO PROBABLY BE JUST TWO MEGA CONFERENCES. NORTH (BIG TEN) AND THE SOUTH (SEC). AT LEAST IN FOOTBALL AND BASKETBALL. SO DEPENDING ON WHAT THESE ACC SCHOOLS DO NOW WILL DETERMINE WHERE THEY END UP LATER IN THE TWO MEGA CONFERENCES. SORT OF NFL COPY AFC/NFC KIND OF.

@fecat93 26 күн бұрын

Yes, but please don't shout. I am thinking of a diverse geographic representation with 48-56 teams total. I don't think there is a way multiple public schools from the same state make it into the final 2 with only a few exceptions. Private schools not named ND and USC are also very questionable.

@jeffmorgan9337 26 күн бұрын

Greed ,is driving the bus it's about money the big 2 will never go past 20 . 6 open slots 4 sec 2 big 10 an everyone else pretty much stays the same U Conn ,Washington st, Oregon st to acc to stay at 14 , ND stays to keep a easy path to cfp .

@wetblanket1977 26 күн бұрын

Nope NC won't be n XII either

@timothyblack3322 26 күн бұрын

Someone tell this Dude about the B1G & the SEC Pow Wow of “I get, You get”. The first two are Florida State University to the B1G & North Carolina to the SEC. UNC is letting FSU & Clemson do the heavy lifting. Rivalry’s can continue without being in the same conference. Look no further than Florida vs Florida State. Drake, I know this guys does not have any idea where the UNC Administration stands on anything. Please tell him to stop moving his eyes from side to side & look at the camera. Yep, he’s on drugs. Typical cocaine behavior.

@HoustonCougar1995 26 күн бұрын

Why is jack harlow talking big 12? 🤷🏻

@user-mn2dv1ci7g 26 күн бұрын

whats funny is that they complain about travel to west coast but they want to join the BIG smh

@MrTdubb641 26 күн бұрын

Not all FSU fans are complaining about the travel... Some are but most want Big 10

@corneliusdansbyjr6165 26 күн бұрын

Clickbait

@donaldbass6737 26 күн бұрын

Born and raised in NC and a NC State grad. I think this is all Bull Shit. So many things wrong with this. First, State owns UNC in Football…won 12 of the last 17. Secondly, yhe UNC BOG will not let one leave without the other. Third, the General Assembly is pushing a law to make us play WCU, CLT and ECU home and away ($$ to local economies). Fourth, I don’t think Clemson and FSU will get out of the Grant of Rights. Fifth, the ACC covers MA, NY, PA, VA, NC, SC, GA and FL and that HUGE population couldn’t care less about Midwest Teams. This is BS.

@goblue636 26 күн бұрын

I’m sorry to tell you but the old historical Midwest Conference the B1G is coming to your neck of the woods 😂😂😂

@tarheel7406 26 күн бұрын

a) UNC has a winning record against NCSTATE in every sport that I looked at some months ago. b) In the end, the State of NC is unlikely to sacrifice a crown jewel. c) Every prior effort to force games vs. additional in-state schools have failed. NCSTATE's future football relevance is contingent on a UNC coattail or the SEC going to ~24.

@hcopenhagenh 26 күн бұрын

😂you are delusional

@christguitarsandbbq7740 26 күн бұрын

Yall late AMC and Sonny been told us this

@jeffharrison1621 26 күн бұрын

Comical. A premier school, in a large and fast-growing state like NC, is not going to s shit conference like the big xii. They will have their choice of the BIG or SEC.

@heartbreak25 26 күн бұрын

UNC is clearly divided about where they want to go. AD and professors want B1G. Half the fans want SEC and half want B1G. Then the state politicians want SEC. If the options are UNC/UVA vs FSU/Miami then the B1G should just lock down Florida and call it a day. UNC is now devalued because of the need for brands to boost TV ratings and how college football playoff money is being allocated. UNC is a great fit for the B1G in a 22 team conference but not in a 20 team conference unless they're joining with FSU or Clemson.

@tarheel7406 26 күн бұрын

Ignoring ND, UNC remains the top expansion target for the SEC and B1G. Nearly all signs now point to the SEC when/If. The B1G is already waning competitively and has reached its highwater mark if it doesn't effectively and heavily expand south, which it is unlikely to do.

@rx2878 26 күн бұрын

This is a untrue. The majority want UNC to continue running the ACC with a rilvary with Duke. There in no big appetite in the East Coast for too much of college football really. That's just the truth of the matter.

@jona2080 26 күн бұрын

UNC= SEC

@heartbreak25 26 күн бұрын

@@tarheel7406 Stop contradicting yourself. You went out of your way to post in 2021 that a school from Indiana and a school from Pennsylvania were the keys to conference realignment and saving the ACC. One of those schools are already in the B1G and the other refuses to join the ACC as a full member. You finally took the L and admitted that brands are a factor in conference expansion. There is no bigger brand than the school in tiny South Bend. When UNC can draw half the ratings of Iowa then we can discuss highwater marks and southern strategies. The SEC doesn't want UNC. They're going after UNC as a defensive measure against the B1G. The B1G will happily forfeit UNC for FSU which is why not a single person is even proposing UNC or UVA to the B1G anymore after FSU and Clemson said they're open for business. Sorry, UNC is a who cares story in conference realignment. The B1G won't touch them packaged with NCST. They're more than likely to stay in the ACC or join the Big 12 if the SEC also passes on them.

@heartbreak25 26 күн бұрын

@@rx2878 Utah wanted to stay in the PAC-12. How did that work out? UNC has no control over its eventual departure. If ESPN doesn't renew the TV deal, then how is the ACC going to survive without FSU, Clemson, and possibly Miami?

@jamesbusald7097 26 күн бұрын

I would rather Wolf Pack than Tar heels.

@jamesbusald7097 26 күн бұрын

Funner fans

@tarheel7406 26 күн бұрын

NCSTATE is feasible for the BIG12; UNC is not.

@jamesbusald7097 26 күн бұрын

@@tarheel7406 LOL

@jamesbusald7097 26 күн бұрын

Really more of a chuckle.

@tarheel7406 26 күн бұрын

@@jamesbusald7097 NCTATE is likely barely feasible for the new BIG12; I was being generous.

@tarheel7406 26 күн бұрын

Measured by Final Four success, the new BIG12 is #3 over the past ~10 seasons and the worst "P" since the NCAAT went to 64. UNC is not going to the new BIG12. The guest should be more informed and not pander to the host.

@WeSRT4 26 күн бұрын

The Big 12 isn't getting the big brands.

@DWayne-ne5yh 26 күн бұрын

Big brands is a relative. Texas Tech is the 3rd biggest brand in the State of Texas and makes it on par with most other states’ flagship university. Top 25-30 football revenue in the country. That’s how big Texas is.

@RedMage409 26 күн бұрын

@@DWayne-ne5yhread “big brands” as “national brands.” Texas and arguably TAMU are national brands. Texas Tech is not.

@tarheel7406 26 күн бұрын

@@DWayne-ne5yh TXTECH is a G5 equivalent.

@rsvp1473 26 күн бұрын

The Big 12 is playing the field very cool. They already know that programs such as Houston and UCF will dominate with their geographic locations and build extremely strong brands for football. Houston has already done it before and they’re getting back on track. Nice strategy…dominate in basketball while the football brands grow. It will not take long either. The Big 12 just needs two or three teams to dominate in football and the rest will follow and build up their brands.

@WeSRT4 26 күн бұрын

@@rsvp1473 Where are these programs going to get the money to build up to compete with the likes of Bama, OSU, Michigan, Georgia, etc... That's what the Big 12 fans don't understand... It's over at this point.

@MichaelSmith-xb5cp 26 күн бұрын

SEC fun fact of the day: Georgia Tech and TULANE have won as many SEC championships as; OLE MISS ARKANSAS SOUTH CAROLINA VANDERBILT TEXAS A&M KENTUCKY & MISSOURI.....Combined!!! 7 teams out of an 8 game schedule Can you see why SEC might want North Carolina & Virginia???

@SloMo74 26 күн бұрын

And how long ago was that? Not even relevant.

@MichaelSmith-xb5cp 26 күн бұрын

@@SloMo74Haven't Vandy, Ole MISS, and KY been there for a long time? Now you can see why... They've already got seven, but nine would be the sweet spot 😮.

@Ga090774 26 күн бұрын

As a SEC fan let me school y’all. If you want to know where the SEC is going next. Look at a map of The Confederate States map. Two states are missing. North Carolina and Virginia. Now you know why they say SEC……it just means more….

@davidb3422 26 күн бұрын

NC and Virginia are academic schools snd would be a horrible fit in the SEC. I think, because of paying players, the ACC will drop football. Will NC take the money from the SEC or drop football to stay in the ACC? maybe we will find out.

@tarheel7406 26 күн бұрын

@@davidb3422 UVA has apparently snubbed the SEC, but UNC is now heavily leaning towards the SEC. The B1G is waning in athletics and academics. I expect it to wane in value.

@tarheel7406 26 күн бұрын

@@davidb3422 BTW... Why would the future ACC drop football? Tier 2 football will be cheaper than now and recruiting will be similar to non-revenue sports, in which academics is an advantage.

@davidb3422 26 күн бұрын

@@tarheel7406 Actually it goes back to a tweet from Greg swaim saying that OSU and WSU are going to get good news from the Big 12. So why would the Big 12 change their minds and want them now? Well, if the ACC stays together, ESPN isn't going to pay them as much without FSU and Clemson. It's going to be hard for them to pay $20 million per team to pay football players in the future, and being a basketball conference first, I think they will drop football. Some Big 12 teams will join them, that's why the Big 12 would want to add OSU and WSU. I know it's a lot of assumptions but it sounds possible. :)

@Knowityall 26 күн бұрын

I'm sure the Big Ten/Fox/North vs SEC/ESPN/South is the angle they want to create. They said The South Will Rise Again. This time with no flaws, just great Sports. The Senior Bowl has been the North vs South.

@tarheel7406 26 күн бұрын

The new BIG12 is the worst (by far) P4 in athletics, academics, prestige and media value. It would take a heavy depletion for the ACC to drop below. If UNC stays in the ACC, most likely only FSU leaves in the near future.

@john-mc4zo 26 күн бұрын

It'd worth noting however officly it's P5 becuse by college football leagel rules The pac 12 gets 2 years to get back up to 8 teams before there power 5 stardust can be removed

@tarheel7406 26 күн бұрын

@@john-mc4zo a) It's my understanding that the PAC has officially lost its a-status. b) I write in de facto terms. My measures are based on programs and have been adjusted for realignment thus far. Final Four Appearances, 1st Rd Wins, Nattys (per Wiki 1985-2024, 2020 N/A) ACC: 40-22-12 (Excludes MD; includes L'VILLE, CUSE & STANFORD) B12: 22-11-5 (Excludes OK & TX; includes ARIZ, CINCY, UTAH & HOUSTON) BIGEAST: 18-11-9 (Includes MARQ) SEC: 26-11-6 (Includes OK, ARK & TX) B1G: 34-11-5 (Includes UCLA, MD & OREGON)

@billsmith5593 21 күн бұрын

We let FSU in the ACC when they did not have a conference. There academics were always suspect. They belong in the SEC. Clemson somewhat the same. Disney ?ESPN can not afford these contracts anymore. So look ahead... the money is not there, many folks want to drop ESPN in their bundle.. This is all about money for coaches and AD.. not the fans.

@mikemiller4726 20 күн бұрын

Thank you. So many people don’t understand how much Disney is hurting no matter how hard they try and manipulate numbers

@tarheel7406 26 күн бұрын

Due to demo and perhaps other trends, the B1G has been declining competitively and has reached its highwater mark in value unless it effectively and heavily expands south. Even with closer potential natural rivals, MARYLAND has none and reeks of apathy in the B1G. UNC takes it academic standing wherever it goes. Synergies and matchups with the SEC are immediate and of far higher fan interest. With FLORIDA and now TEXAS, the SEC would be expected to quickly increase the number of sponsored sports to leverage that sort of power and exposure.

@josephcernansky1794 26 күн бұрын

"MARYLAND has none" Maryland AND Rutgers were added so that Penn State would have some "natural" "rivals". Basically, those two were added to give some annual games closer to Penn State and their alumni base which is located MOST EXSTENSIVELY ALL ALONG the EAST COAST!!!! IN the ACC FOOTPRINT!!! So, Penn State would re-sign their 20-year membership contract with the Big 10. EXPECT The B1G to go HEAVY on "enticing" the ACC schools they want into their fold. The Big 10 KNOWS they did Penn State wrong!! # good East Coast schools will make it right...I can think of 7 or 8 that will work. The ACC F'd up big time when they turned Penn State down in 86!! "They coulda been a contender!" LOL...."NOW...they're just going to be chopped liver!"

@richardbrookins5406 26 күн бұрын

How long will it be before the B1G and SEC power football teams get tired of sharing their revenue with the non-power teams ala FSU/Clemson/NC and the ACC? I see us being in the same place in another 10 years.

@jamesb0255 26 күн бұрын

Hey I hate the ACC but, you do realize they beat the SEC last year correct?

@tarheel7406 26 күн бұрын

Think within a closed ~48-team Tier 1 and try again.

@jamesb0255 26 күн бұрын

FSU a non-power team? That is just an idiotic remark. Made by someone who doesn't bother to do any research before commenting. Florida State, in terms of television revenue, would have ranked third in the SEC and the Big ten in 2022. That continued to be the case in 2023. So Florida state's value certainly warrants them to be a power 4 or 2 athletic program. I could list off many different reasons as to why that statement is inaccurate but I'm driving.