Acetylene Generator: Precursor of Modern Torches

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Tractorman44

Tractorman44

3 жыл бұрын

Calcium Carbide plus water equals Acetylene. Acetylene burns and gives off heat and light. Horseless carriages from turn of the century used this combination in lanterns on the fenders or mounted somewhere on the front of the strange velocipedes to light their way home from Grandma's house....or the tavern or wherever. Even before the advent of the first automobiles the lanterns were used on all sorts of horse drawn carriages, wagons, and buggies as well as being used as walking lanterns. Then came the discovery of the mystic power of the rapid oxidation qualities of a flame on ferrus materials if acetylene was combined with pressurized oxygen and forced through an orifice of a specific size. The famous Oxygen/Acetylene torch was created !!
Few realize that a torch really doesn't 'cut' metal. The torch creates the heat that causes rapid acceleration of the atoms (molecular structure) of the ferrous metal to the point they can be literally blown apart with the addition of the force of the oxygen to the now orange/white hot material. So in theory...if you want to stretch your imagination a little... rapid oxidation occurs in a controlled manner by adding the oxygen blast to those molecules moving so rapidly in an accelerated motion not visible to the naked eye. If you add just a little more heat the physical weight of the effected molecules will literally fall out of the parent metal in a blob...OR....you control a blast of oxygen to create a nice even removal of those molecules of metal by the aforementioned process of rapid oxidation.
Now what you've just read above is not based on any factual evidence...it is just an accumulation of random thoughts put together over the years as I burnt literally hundreds of tanks of oxygen and acetylene. Fast Forward to now when we ironically do a 'throwback' to the old days to take a look at this...the actual precursor of today's modern torch we all know and love. Unfortunately I don't know for sure that all the descriptions in the video are factually correct either. Yes, it does create acetylene and it is a torch, but one or two things describing the WAY it does it could very possibly be incorrect. If there is an old guy out there that really KNOWS all the details of this machine I would enjoy their input.
I wonder some times if the alchemists of 2000 years ago ever thought their accidental discoveries while attempting to turn lead into gold would benefit mankind as much as the discovery of acetylene gas 1800 years later. Of course by then they were simply called 'chemists'....or so I think. But without their incessant tinkering around with things that could possibly do severe bodily harm to themselves and the neighbors chickens, mankind could NOT have advanced as quickly as it has. That is something to be thankful for....I think.
I wish I had more knowledge of the subject about which I speak in the video, but unfortunately you get what you got ...that's all I have. I hope you liked at least looking at something you more than likely hadn't known existed before watching this video.

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@yamahajapan5351
@yamahajapan5351 2 жыл бұрын
These acetylene generators are still manufactured and sold in the USA, and they’re super affordable and rugged
@tractorman4461
@tractorman4461 2 жыл бұрын
That's really cool to know that. I was not even aware that they were still in production. With little effort this one would be quite serviceable. Thank you for the additional input !!
@davidrimes582
@davidrimes582 4 ай бұрын
@@tractorman4461 I would think the Rego company would be the one selling them.
@alfredpriestleyjr.6918
@alfredpriestleyjr.6918 Жыл бұрын
wow i have not seen one of them in forty years ago i had worked with one year's ago now I'm sixtyfive year's of age now I'm a old school type of welder and fabricator and I had worked on the southside of the alamo City of san Antonio Texas and the man i had worked for then was a aged pipeline welder for the humble oil company and the texas gas company and his dad was a good blacksmith and he was the son of a very good blacksmith and he was seventyfive year's old back then in and around 1974 and was a fresh graduate out of welding school and i was about seventeen years old then great video and thanks for sharing this great piece of history today is the first day of seeing this thank you very much for sharing it tractor man that's exactly what I've been doing collecting vintage tractors and other vintage equipment for thirty years now and thanks again brother
@tractorman4461
@tractorman4461 Жыл бұрын
AWESOME comment Andrew, thank you for expanding on the subject !! My Much Older Brother is 83 and still working on the old tractors. He and I have been hauling them home out of fence rows, fallen buildings and woods for many years as well. We both have traded work for dead tractors over the years. Gotta save the old stuff for the future generations. So much of the good stuff from our farm went to the war effort in WW2. Thanks again for the cool comment and I hope to see you hang around a little here and there !! By the way, neither he nor I have ever used one of these acetylene generators.
@GPOutdoors
@GPOutdoors 3 жыл бұрын
That was really neat T. Big thank to you and your brother - super interesting. Thanks for taking the time to share it with us. Pretty amazing stuff. :))
@tractorman4461
@tractorman4461 3 жыл бұрын
You are quite welcome sir. I was over there delivering some tractor parts and he rolled this out of the back and suggested doing a short video on it. Super glad to hear you enjoyed it. I wonder if Guy has ever seen or used one of these...?? The two of us have not.
@1lilfarm
@1lilfarm 3 жыл бұрын
Heard about Acetylene Generators but never saw one before. Very interesting. Thanks! 👍👍👍
@tractorman4461
@tractorman4461 3 жыл бұрын
The only time I've seen one before was THIS one in another shed stuck behind a couple old tractors. This is the first time I ever got the chance to mess around with it. Was a bit interesting though, just like you said. Thanks for watching and commenting !!
@OldSneelock
@OldSneelock 3 жыл бұрын
This was a cool vid. Thanks T-44 and your much older brother for the chance to see a piece of explosive history.
@tractorman4461
@tractorman4461 3 жыл бұрын
Hahahaha...now that was kinda 'punny'....funny too btw. I was hoping you'd chime in. I saw a more lengthy reply down below and can't wait to see what you've got to say.
@ddsharpening
@ddsharpening 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the history lesson! Interesting!!
@tractorman4461
@tractorman4461 3 жыл бұрын
Well I might have butchered it a little bit....but it's all I had. LOL. Thanks for stopping by and taking a quick look..it is appreciated !!
@ejkjr.4694
@ejkjr.4694 3 жыл бұрын
That was a great information about gas mixture of a older torch
@tractorman4461
@tractorman4461 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment....its all about the normal evolution of mechanical devices. Without these first generation acetylene generators, we wouldn't have progressed to plasma torches of today. Without the Model T automobile and the continual improvements we wouldn't be on the advent of autonomous vehicles today !! (-:
@Cinder2008
@Cinder2008 3 жыл бұрын
Coal miners used carbide lamps. One of your subscribers had a carbide cannon during his younger years. It was very loud! Ah, those were the days.
@tractorman4461
@tractorman4461 3 жыл бұрын
Dang..David I KNOW I replied to you earlier this morning.... but I think I pondered aloud wondering just WHO that might have been about whom you are talking.....and maybe you could vouch for the decible level by having been there in person. LOL At least it was something like that. I wonder what happened to my comment !!?? Btw... I've never heard of a carbide lantern.
@Col_Eddington
@Col_Eddington 4 ай бұрын
Never heard of a carbide lantern. Did you just skip American history and science classes to play football or something just as useless that defeats the purpose of school?
@Cinder2008
@Cinder2008 4 ай бұрын
@@Col_Eddington brilliant!
@shapeshifter7753
@shapeshifter7753 3 жыл бұрын
I saved one from the dump 6 months ago. Been looking on info ever since. This is the first good info I’ve seen. Thanks for that! Merry Christmas to all 🎄
@tractorman4461
@tractorman4461 3 жыл бұрын
They are certainly a rarity this day and time, you were lucky to have found one !! Hopefully its not too brutalized being tossed in a dump. I am sure some of the welding supply distributors would love to have one for display in their showroom. Good luck with what ever you do with yours !! Thanks for watching and commenting.
@shapeshifter7753
@shapeshifter7753 3 жыл бұрын
Tractorman44 she’s a beauty! It came with the cart. Torch and gauges original hoses. I’m an ironworker so she’s staying with me. If I can find a bit more safety info on it I’ll probably put it back in use👍 just around the acreage though. I imagined I’d get kicked off any job site quite fast if I showed up with it lol. Take good care friend n keep collecting the good stuff👍
@ValMartinIreland
@ValMartinIreland Жыл бұрын
It would be great if you would report on the carbide feed mechanism.
@nslehto1609
@nslehto1609 3 жыл бұрын
Grandpa had one of those in his blacksmith shop but I don't remember seeing him actually use it. Thanks for the lesson!
@tractorman4461
@tractorman4461 3 жыл бұрын
They are uncommon. This is the only one I've ever seen. Thanks for the comment and thanks for watching.
@justtinkering6054
@justtinkering6054 3 жыл бұрын
Very cool!
@tractorman4461
@tractorman4461 3 жыл бұрын
Sure is something you don't see everyday !! Thanks for taking a look.
@RCAFpolarexpress
@RCAFpolarexpress 3 жыл бұрын
Good evening Sir, great written description !!! When I was on shooting team, were using small hand size of steel container and we were filling up with that powder and spit into it and cap it on very fast and light up and we were using to black our top canon so the sun were not making them shiny when we were sharp shooting. That is a great historique Acetylene Generator Sir ( Vintage Historic tool ! ) Thank you kindly Sir for this video Cheers !!!
@tractorman4461
@tractorman4461 3 жыл бұрын
Great addition to the use of calcium carbide Dave !! I certainly didn't know that before. See there my much younger Canadian friend....you CAN teach an old dog new tricks !! Thanks for the awesome comment mon ami.
@RCAFpolarexpress
@RCAFpolarexpress 3 жыл бұрын
@@tractorman4461 LOL, You make laugh so much Sir !!! NO, Your Not what you are Saying, you are a great experience man !!! Have a Great week Sir Cheers !!!
@stevenbasnett881
@stevenbasnett881 2 жыл бұрын
@@tractorman4461 Thomas Leopold Willson, a Canadian born entrepenuer, accidentally invented the process to make calcium carbide, sparking a world wide advance in industry. He did it in the U. S, but was Canadian born.
@tractorman4461
@tractorman4461 2 жыл бұрын
@@stevenbasnett881 Now THAT is an interesting tidbit of information. I got the pun in 'sparking'...whether it was intended or not. LOL Thanks Steven for chiming in with a little Canadian lore.
@DIYMyWay
@DIYMyWay 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Wendell! Thanks for sharing another amazing and ancient machine! I had no idea that acetylene was made by mixing calcium carbide with water. That’s a really cool device from buy gone days!
@tractorman4461
@tractorman4461 3 жыл бұрын
Heck yeah man....its easy to make stuff go ka-boom !! It's controlling that potential that makes it tricky....LOL. Thanks Martin for taking a look and I'm glad to have tweaked your interest again.
@1972BRJ
@1972BRJ 3 жыл бұрын
Nice relic there, I thought it was a still when I first saw it lol, thanks for the video!
@tractorman4461
@tractorman4461 3 жыл бұрын
You know by golly...there IS just a little similarity with just a passing glance. LOL. Good point !! Thanks for tossing that into the ring and thanks for stopping in for a visit !!
@Mac210.
@Mac210. 3 жыл бұрын
Enjoyed the history lesson! Never saw one of these before. You and your brother could really start your own museum.
@tractorman4461
@tractorman4461 3 жыл бұрын
Well...I'm glad you enjoyed taking a look at the old thing. We do seem to have a few relics around.... Hahahahaha....thanks for the comment. Oh hey, he has the old 171 McCullough as well as the old handlebar two man Mall saw in his shed too !!
@Mac210.
@Mac210. 3 жыл бұрын
Would your brother consider showing those saws on a video?
@daviddesilva4971
@daviddesilva4971 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks fo the explanation on producing acetylene. Them were the good old days. Not the best but damn they were good. Thxs for the vids, Tractorman44!
@tractorman4461
@tractorman4461 3 жыл бұрын
Well David I'm sure there's much more to the story. I just hit the high spots and probably am not 'spot on' with all that was presented. But basically add water and the gas is created. That's how the carbide lanterns and lights on the buggies and first cars lit the way. He and I both have some brass carbide lanterns hanging around.
@cowpen
@cowpen 3 жыл бұрын
Very cool.
@tractorman4461
@tractorman4461 3 жыл бұрын
It sure is a little unconventional by today's standards. Ain't everybody got one of those in the back of the shed..... Thanks cowpen for stopping by and taking a look.
@bobhover3863
@bobhover3863 3 жыл бұрын
Very interesting. I really thought you were going to fire that thing up. That would be nice to display. Never seen anything like it. Stay safe.
@tractorman4461
@tractorman4461 3 жыл бұрын
Though I am reasonably sure it would work with just a little maintenance and new hoses/mixer I think we are going to keep it for a talking point. Of course if acetylene continues getting more and more expensive.....we HAVE an option. LOL The carbide would kill us though costwise. Thanks Bob for chiming in with a response.
@OldSneelock
@OldSneelock 3 жыл бұрын
Here I am telling you another bit of information from a misspent youth. Or middle aged experiences in a varied job history. Anyway I was an iron cutter. Yup, tobacco chewing, joke telling, beer drinking, iron cutter. That meant I spent quite a lot of time with cutting torches. Small fact. Once you get the steel hot enough to cut you can shut off the acetylene and the iron will burn. Not as well! If you slow down or jiggle the torch the iron will cool and it will go out. Then you have to relight and start over. There now you got the apprentice training without the cost of the bet that the journey men almost always sucker you into. Beer drinking is usually involved. Later I was introduced to the oxygen lance. UTC had aluminum melting furnaces. Little ones. A 100,000 lb melter and a 150,000 lb holding furnace if you want to know why just ask. 😁 6061 aluminum alloy melts around 1100 degrees F. That is pretty hot but know where near iron at 2500 +- 100 degrees F. Aluminum conducts heat extremely well. It is light compared to most metals so it has less thermal mass. It also burns readily, so you don't want to overheat it or poof it turns into aluminum oxide and becomes impossible to melt unless you use an oxygen lance. If the temperature of the furnace got down to 1150 F., usually because someone put too many sows in the bath and chilled it like ice cubes in scotch, the aluminum in the tap hole would freeze. Simple enough just heat it up and melt it out again. It takes a LOT OF HEAT. Acetylene and oxygen burns at around 3160 C. 5720 F for all us imperialists. Some guy in a European or Middle Eastern cave discovered that iron burns really hot. According to Wikipedia, between 4950 F. per Wang's and 8130 F. per Kosanke's educated guesses. Aluminum wasn't messed with much until 1825 when it first successfully extracted from aluminum oxide. (See above) It wasn't commercially available until 1889. But wait! There's more! I got interrupted in the middle of the story. 😁 The guys at Alcoa began to fix frozen tap holes by ramming a piece of burning 1/8" iron pipe into the tap and melting the aluminum. Yay! You just have to be careful because the tap hole block is fire brick. The burning iron oxygen lance will burn fire brick. A mistake means you can't plug the tap block so the entire furnace has to be drained and the tap block replaced. BFHBA. 😫😬😱🤑 So long story but I hope you got something from it. Once I get started blah blah blah. 😁😎
@tractorman4461
@tractorman4461 3 жыл бұрын
THAT was totally interesting. I know nothing to very little about the aluminum or steel smelting process nor what maintenance is required to keep everything up and running. But we do have a recently closed lead smelter two towns north of here. Through my last contractor I took care of a lot of the a/c's for the office spaces all over the plant...the worst being the one for the blast furnace or the one for the sinter plant. Miserable conditions to work in !! Oh see....? I get to rambling too..... The point of that story was I did get a few firebricks that had either melted or burnt off their ends, their firebrick materials turned shades of green and hard as a rock !! On side note I have never heard of a oxygen lance....what the heck is THAT..??
@OldSneelock
@OldSneelock 3 жыл бұрын
@@tractorman4461 You can spend as much as you want on one. bakersgas.com/products/arcairsliceutilitypack-63991047?variant=28852577566773&campaign=9414230862&adgroup=94697287839&feeditem=&keyword=&matchtype=&device=c&network=u&gclid=CjwKCAiAt9z-BRBCEiwA_bWv-MdLh6ulVtRhGkGEFFnNoUY6NtjLqi1kuymo0PtFq13aneWT-_pfdxoCWK8QAvD_BwE&creative=419433943578ad.atdmt.com/s/go;adv=11242241809840;ec=11242241809912;c.a=9414230862;s.a=google;p.a=9414230862;as.a=94697287839;qpb=1;?bidkw=&dvc=c&h=bakersgas.com/products/arcairsliceutilitypack-63991047%3Fvariant%3D28852577566773&gclid=CjwKCAiAt9z-BRBCEiwA_bWv-MdLh6ulVtRhGkGEFFnNoUY6NtjLqi1kuymo0PtFq13aneWT-_pfdxoCWK8QAvD_BwE This one is $1296.00 + along with shipping, hose, tanks, regulators and gas you might get by with $2000.00. UTC had a rig that was two T bottles, about 600 cu ft of oxygen, a manifold, an oxygen regulator, one anti-burn back check valve, 50 ft. of single hose that soon burned back to 25 before being replaced, a 1/2" ball valve with a 1/2" to 1/4" reducing bushing on the downflow side of the ball valve, and a 10 foot chunk of 1/4" iron pipe that was screwed into the bushing and is the working end of the rig. You heat the open end of the pipe until it sparks with a acetylene torch then turn on the oxygen with about 20 psi and let it go. Whatever was on the end of the pipe either caught fire or melted. The torch will burn through iron plate, firebrick, and even the aluminum oxide dross that is the base material for most firebrick. We could buy special 1/4" pipe lance tips but they were just tubing packed full of iron wire. They burned a little longer but no hotter. They cost an arm and a leg too. Don't remember how much but I never bought any. I just stocked 1/4" pipe. Jack Davis was my furnace tender. He put on a silver fireproof suit and the torch would last a couple minutes before it was gone and Jack needed to back off away from the heat. Like standing in front of a roman candle. Burning iron, molten aluminum, molten firebrick flying all over. We only had to use them a few times but I clearly remember thinking I didn't want to be the guy in the suit.
@tractorman4461
@tractorman4461 3 жыл бұрын
@@OldSneelock well I can tell by the prices that probably no time in the near future will that purchase be made.....hahahahahaha. I do enjoy the thoughts and things that come outta your mind. Whew !! I can add nothing to your contribution. I do appreciate the time you take with the details of the explanations. Very good information filled comment my friend.
@OldSneelock
@OldSneelock 3 жыл бұрын
@@tractorman4461 Always happy to go back and remember the good times. Most of those were afterwards when we congratulated ourselves for surviving another one. 😁😎
@thecollectoronthecorner7061
@thecollectoronthecorner7061 3 жыл бұрын
When the lose a Pour at the steel mill. They cut that mess up with a oxygen Lance . No fuel needed just hot metal and oxygen.
@peterkober6758
@peterkober6758 3 жыл бұрын
44 never saw one we have a carbide lamp a miner would have used God Bless All PaK
@tractorman4461
@tractorman4461 3 жыл бұрын
Yessir...its the same principle Peter, just a much smaller version. Thanks for chiming in my friend.
@andreibaity6152
@andreibaity6152 5 ай бұрын
My gosh I can still remember the smell as I would prepare the tank for welding lol…damn
@tractorman4461
@tractorman4461 5 ай бұрын
I don't have that good fortune...these were popular before my time. I'm just glad my brother is lucky enough to have one that's very easily put back into service !!
@chrissollazzo6835
@chrissollazzo6835 3 жыл бұрын
Time for a science class. Make some!
@tractorman4461
@tractorman4461 3 жыл бұрын
Hahahaha...Chris...now THAT would make a good video whether it worked as designed or not. I think we will wait until the 4th of July in case we do something that will make ten pounds of tannerite sound like a firecracker !! LOL
@thesmallwoodlot433
@thesmallwoodlot433 3 жыл бұрын
@@tractorman4461 if you do so... please use a long torch hose! And have a fox hole on the ready!
@tractorman4461
@tractorman4461 3 жыл бұрын
@@thesmallwoodlot433 Just in case....a foxhole....man that's funny. Appropriate though. LOL
@thesmallwoodlot433
@thesmallwoodlot433 3 жыл бұрын
@@tractorman4461 I say that for a reason... have you ever seen a propane tank explode, I have, and I was only 30’ from it! Looking back at my life I wonder... how in the heck did I survive!
@akquilter3519
@akquilter3519 3 жыл бұрын
What an interesting relic!! Wonder what else is hiding in his sheds? And you are a remarkable historian!!!
@tractorman4461
@tractorman4461 3 жыл бұрын
Relic....wait....the fancy old tool or the old dude in the video...?? LOL. Hahahaha ...thanks for showing interest in something you've probably never even thought of.
@daveyjoweaver5183
@daveyjoweaver5183 3 жыл бұрын
This is like a giant miners light TM44! When I lived in Kentucky back I the 60s I could ave bought a carbide miners light in any country store cheap. Of course I never did and the last one I saw in a antique shop and I wasn't going to buy it at the collectible price. I think the light was 5-6 bucks plus a cab of cal.carb. The light was brass with a quality reflector. Could have used one over the years. Of course now with LEDs it's better I recon! What a great piece of history! Hats off to older Brother! Thanks my friend Wendell! DaveyJO
@tractorman4461
@tractorman4461 3 жыл бұрын
Good story DaveyJO. Me and him both have a couple of the old brass carbide lanterns of different styles hanging here or there in the sheds. I think he's got one off an old truck that he converted to an electric bulb for his patio. Between me and you I bet calcium carbide is considered hazardous waste this day and time. Don't know that for sure about that and I guess I don't want to know. LOL. Them old timers could think up some pretty cool stuff couldn't they...!! Hope you are enjoying your morning coffee along with my fancy cuppa JO from the Missus. A good day to you ol' buddy !
@daveyjoweaver5183
@daveyjoweaver5183 3 жыл бұрын
Tractorman44 When I was a kid,,,,,,,,,,better said,,,,,,when I was younger cuz I'm still a JOdrinkin kid, you could buy a Bangsite cannon for a few bucks. You got a tube of cal. Carb. to go with it. The cannon was cast iron and the fuse was a lighter flint that would spark when you pushed a plunger. Water was in the bottom and a cap full of cal carbide was poured in. You twisted in the flint and letter rip and BOOM! We'd put marbles in the cannon or cotton balls that would come out fired up and anything else we could think of as a projectile. I'm sure many things like this were outlawed, taken all our fun away! So now we have to compensate with other cool stuff, eh! I raise me cup ole Pal! DaveyJO
@OldSneelock
@OldSneelock 3 жыл бұрын
@@tractorman4461 Just me and Ebay can find a bottle of Calcium Carbide Pellets for sale and delivered right to your home. www.ebay.com/i/324008048351?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&itemid=324008048351&targetid=935694488066&device=c&mktype=pla&googleloc=9017333&poi=&campaignid=10460107185&mkgroupid=106723176147&rlsatarget=aud-622524042958:pla-935694488066&abcId=2146001&merchantid=6296724&gclid=CjwKCAiAt9z-BRBCEiwA_bWv-KEQpv6jE0cnHR7bb-hqdN9QFSlj_vWaFB4pP2C2clpuRachI7Ez3xoCDLQQAvD_BwE Don't know who else will be calling but if you want it you better order before Beto thinks it looks like it has a dangerous looking hand grip or something. What a world. What a world.
@tractorman4461
@tractorman4461 3 жыл бұрын
@@OldSneelock hahahaha....Beto.....that's funny. LOL. I am really surprised that those can be purchased retail....and boy o boy 'what a world' says it all doesn't it !!?? Thanks for the search...I didn't even think to look.
@loggerjohn01
@loggerjohn01 3 жыл бұрын
You sure you didn't you didn't pick that up on the set of the Wizard of Oz.....pretty cool . I love old stuff like that and all the history that goes with it. Thanks a lot
@tractorman4461
@tractorman4461 3 жыл бұрын
Heck yeah John. We kinda like the old stuff too as you can tell by our shops...LOL. Thanks for watching.
@veegee24
@veegee24 2 жыл бұрын
Considering the acetylene cylinder refill prices today, we should try to bring back these generators. Only trouble is sourcing calcium carbide. #5 acetylene cylinder costs $350 to refill. Outrageous.
@tractorman4461
@tractorman4461 2 жыл бұрын
I know !! Isn't it ridiculous to have to pay those prices !! I now use a plasma torch whenever I can and may consider going to a propane/oxygen set up. Thanks veegee for the comment !
@davidrimes582
@davidrimes582 4 ай бұрын
If you do decide to try one, they can be very dangerous. More maintanice on them than a cylinder of acetylene. If it does have a problem it can kill you.
@thedbcooperforum
@thedbcooperforum 3 жыл бұрын
It dates back into the 30's. I'm looking into them to find one o restore for a friend that has been in welding for decades.
@tractorman4461
@tractorman4461 3 жыл бұрын
I wish you luck. I think they are probably in short supply. This is the only one I’ve seen. But it is in very good condition. With new hoses and a torch head I think it’d be ready to go with just the most minor of maintenance. Btw... was DB’s package ever found ? I remember a TV special from years ago about him.
@thedbcooperforum
@thedbcooperforum 3 жыл бұрын
@@tractorman4461 Thanks for the reply. I see a few online. one just sold on Offerup completely restored that was 5 miles from my home. that's what started my venture seeing it and figuring out what it was. DB? he's still a mystery. I've been researching the case for about 10 years. nothing has surfaced since part of the money was found in 1980. we have done testing on the money getting us closer to how it got on the river bank. lots of myths to weed through getting to the truth.
@tractorman4461
@tractorman4461 3 жыл бұрын
@@thedbcooperforum Interesting about DB. I can't imagine how difficult it is finding additional information on his story. Still, I hope you find a repairable generator.
@Col_Eddington
@Col_Eddington 4 ай бұрын
You can use it to make more calcium carbide by heating quicklime and coke, slaked lime and charcoal is possible once the outside of your smaller coker is red hot or a steady 1800C°. I did small amounts at a time using 10% of X grams amount of CaC fuel to synthesize X grams of Calcium Carbide. I homemade blast furnace from a 55gal drum a 5 gal bucket refractory cement with perlite for refractory concrete that is light enough to move and an electric blower.
@tractorman4461
@tractorman4461 4 ай бұрын
Now I gotta tell you, that is something about which I know nothing !! This is what is so cool about doing youtube videos though. I find so many guys like yourself that have some tremendous knowledge about the most obscure topics !! I've always wanted to make one of those blast furnaces, but I've got an old forge that'll probably do anything I need to do. I just have to find the coal for it.
@johndoogan3712
@johndoogan3712 2 жыл бұрын
Hi, you should look into another piece of equipment which may have been added on known as a gas fluxer which was used for bronze welding processes. The likely use was high end racing bicycle 🚴 frames and aircraft tubing.
@tractorman4461
@tractorman4461 2 жыл бұрын
Whew !! John, I'm afraid that'd be a bit over my head. Isn't it crazy but it seems the more you learn, the more you realize you don't know. Thanks for the thought provoking comment.
@hecklingheck9188
@hecklingheck9188 6 ай бұрын
Thats not just a torch thats a welder too. I have a knack for oxy acetylene, i might have to make one of these
@tractorman4461
@tractorman4461 6 ай бұрын
That would be cool to build one for yourself...I'm not sure I have that technical savvy though. Thanks for watching.
@ValMartinIreland
@ValMartinIreland Жыл бұрын
Acetylene is scarce in Europe due to the gas shortage. I cannot figure out how the chunks of carbide are got into the water chamber without letting the acetylene already there out out. The pressure is 15 psi. The gas passes to the bottom of the side column and is forced up through up through water where it is scrubbed of steam and ammonium. This water acts as a flash back arrestor.
@tractorman4461
@tractorman4461 Жыл бұрын
Not ever having used it or even seen it is use, I don't have full understanding of how it works. If I had more time to fiddle with it I would repair the hoses and give it a go....but I would do it outside in the fresh air though. Acetylene is getting expensive here as well. Many of us are going to propane/acetylene torches and many others are using plasma torches....but I still pay the price and use acetylene for my shop. Thanks for the comment. I do enjoy learning about the old equipment.
@damirdze
@damirdze 2 жыл бұрын
Seems like a simple technology . Strange that the old civilizations did not know about it.
@tractorman4461
@tractorman4461 2 жыл бұрын
You know I'm not so sure the alchemists of old didn't have a bit of an idea. Maybe not for the development of actual acetylene, but surely of explosive mixtures if not on purpose possibly on accident. Without written history its hard to document anything though. Interesting thought though.
@mafarmtown2086
@mafarmtown2086 3 жыл бұрын
Interesting video. With the wealth of information you possess as just common knowledge your middle name should be Britannica!
@tractorman4461
@tractorman4461 3 жыл бұрын
Methinks you give me way too much credit....I figure though that if you add a dollar to my knowledge and ability the lady at McDonalds will give me a senior cup of coffee !! Thank you for the early morning smile....(-:
@GrampiesWorkshop
@GrampiesWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын
How's she goin'? I have never heard of an acetylene generator before. But when you mentioned the acetylene lights on old cars, I thought well sure they must be able to generate it simply. It would be nice to see this thing going, but I certainly understand why you didn't want to try it. A bit on the dangerous side maybe eh!!! Thanks for sharing your knowledge on this antique!!! Take care!!
@tractorman4461
@tractorman4461 3 жыл бұрын
Well Mike I've found that sometimes its best to let sleeping dogs lie....LOL. It would be a cool thing to (like Charlie Daniels said) ...fire that mother up, but I really wouldn't want to without trying to learn a bit more about its operation. Thanks my friend for stopping by for a visit !
@thecollectoronthecorner7061
@thecollectoronthecorner7061 3 жыл бұрын
A old guy in town that had a small engine repair shop used one of those. We coon hunted with carbide lamps. Some where all one unit and fastened on your hat. I still have my old carbide light and a full can of carbide. Mine the reflector has a band to go around my head. and the container with the carbide and water fastened to my belt. a hose connected them. Really never thought that they might be dangerous?
@tractorman4461
@tractorman4461 3 жыл бұрын
Dangerous...?? Naw....OSHA approved stickers were probably just hard to see....LOL Could give a whole new meaning to the term 'hothead'....
@zachm7966
@zachm7966 3 жыл бұрын
Hey tractor man......nice videos. We need a video showing how to build a 2 way tapered main duct supply, coming from plenum. Thanks
@tractorman4461
@tractorman4461 3 жыл бұрын
This is the closest I got right now: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/iN5xoK18sareXWw.html But if there's a way to sneak something similar to what you want into the next job I'll do it. Thanks Zach for the comment and for watching...Aren't you glad we don't need to pack one of these rigs in the service trucks today ?? LOL.
@zachm7966
@zachm7966 3 жыл бұрын
Tractor Man........Your something else.....so much to do, and still have time to upload videos, and reply to comments! That video is it, I must of missed it. Thank you for taking the time and doing these videos, it really helps a lot of people.
@tractorman4461
@tractorman4461 3 жыл бұрын
@@zachm7966 Well good....I've never been one to 'hoard' the things I've learned. I worked with too many old guys when I was a rookie that wouldn't share knowledge for anything. I always though that was the wrong thing to do. Thank you Zack, for the nice comment.
@chrisduggins3435
@chrisduggins3435 3 жыл бұрын
That is a sight generator manufactured in West Alexandria, Ohio About 10 miles from where I live And I have used this type generator before 😊 I is not so easy to get the calcium carbide these days Although this generator is quite capable of doing the job with good maintenance and knowledge of operation
@chrisduggins3435
@chrisduggins3435 3 жыл бұрын
The feed and pressure are automatic and maintain the gas pressure by adjusting the big thumbscrew on top
@tractorman4461
@tractorman4461 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I figured calcium carbide would probably have become a controlled substance by this day and time. I do believe you are 100% correct about this generator still able to go to work. I would want to know a bit more for sure before an attempt would be made. Depending on the material the diaphragm is made out of, my main concern would be a bit of internal damage....dry rot...or a rupture of some sort. Thanks Chris for the input concerning your first hand experience. I was HOPING there'd be at least one viewer that would chime in. So thank you again for stopping by !!
@GaisaSanktejo
@GaisaSanktejo Жыл бұрын
Just an observation; I noticed you mentioned calcium chloride at the beginning of your vlog; then switched to calcium carbide later on. I assume you already noted your mistake, but for those who didn't, Calcium chloride is used to create hydrochloric acid and may also release chlorine gas amongst other gasses in an exothermic reaction, both of which are more than a little hazardous to your health. Stick with calcium carbide since it releases Acetylene gas when introduced to water.
@tractorman4461
@tractorman4461 Жыл бұрын
Yes, I caught it and corrected it later as you said. I actually thought I'd edited the earlier incorrect mention before uploading the video. Thanks for the candid comment. I appreciate it because I really try to be reasonably accurate with what few facts I know. Sometimes though things slip through. Very good comment !! Thank you.
@GaisaSanktejo
@GaisaSanktejo Жыл бұрын
@@tractorman4461 Any time! And you aren't the only one, I aspire to be as accurate as I can be 😉 Another potentially interesting bit of trivia; Acetylene doesn't need oxygen to burn and will spontaneously combust at 15psi, thats why such generators were considered safe since they operate at very low pressures, and acetylene tanks have a spongy/honeycombe core which increases the surface area of the tank, reducing the active pressure of the gas stored, thus reducing the risk of spontaneous ignition to much safer levels
@tomwalker9184
@tomwalker9184 3 жыл бұрын
Wendell it's also called American Restoration on History channel and U tube.
@tractorman4461
@tractorman4461 3 жыл бұрын
I will find them for sure Tom. Thanks a lot buddy.
@daveknowshow
@daveknowshow 3 жыл бұрын
man that is very cool. I dont know much about acetylene. I thought it has acetone in it. I know they say never lay your acetylene bottle down because the acetone in it will eat the seal out and then it will leak. they freak out if you pull in the supply shop with an acetylene tank laying down flat. ask me how I know that. lol been fussed at for doing that in my early years. acetylene can be very dangerous. I bet that thing is worth a small fortune to the right person.
@tractorman4461
@tractorman4461 3 жыл бұрын
I don't really know the connection between acetone and acetylene or if there is one. The ladies use acetone in a bottle with a cotton ball to remove their fingernail polish. I think there's an absorbent material in the bottom of the acetylene tanks that remain saturated with the liquified acetylene. The gas rises to the top to enter the regulator. Laying a tank on its side disrupts the absorbent material and allows liquid to escape into the regulator potentially damaging the internals. If you lay one on its side without a regulator then crack the valve you will see spurts of liquid....not cool. LOL. And as we all know acetylene becomes very unstable above 15 psi....and I don't want to find out firsthand !! Thanks Dave for stopping by and taking a look at the old thing. It is a candidate for a museum for sure...or a display at a welding suppliers showroom.
@OldSneelock
@OldSneelock 3 жыл бұрын
I will jump in with what little scary stuff I know about Acetylene tanks and storage. The tanks are filled with absorbent material just like T-44 said. In the old days it was Kapok like life preservers use to be. Might be anything these days. Coming from the far east as they might it could be bamboo leaves. Anyway the kapok was there to increase the surface area of the acetone that the tank was filled with. Acetylene dissolves into acetone line CO2 into water. When the pressure in the tank drops the acetylene boils out of the acetone. If the acetylene is drawn off the tank too fast the acetone gets carried into the regulator causing problems of the boom BOOM kind. If you lay the tank down the acetone migrates to one side of the tank leaving way too much surface area exposed for the acetylene to boil out of the acetone. Once again boom BOOM. Now you will run into people who will say that is all a bunch of hooie and that they have vented tanks wide open with no problems. Don't go drinking with that fool. They are the guys who want to bet you that a match burns twice. I still have the scar on my thumb. Store your tanks upright and chain them securely. If you have to lay them down. First off don't. If you still think you have to then when you get where you are going stand them up chain them off and wait a day before using them. Old guy story: Back in the good old days when there were shop classes where you learned things and not always the right things but interesting never the less, my shop teacher was Mr Stankey. Great guy and built like a truck. If he said sit down and shut up you didn't even think about looking for a chair you went on your butt where you were. Mr Stankey was going to teach use about the safe use of an acetylene torch. He had some dimestore balloons. He filled the first with oxygen until it was about 4" in diameter. He tied it off and asked what we thought would happen if he lit it on fire. One of the smarter guys in the back said it would pop. Mr. Stankey pulled out his lighter. Everyone, but me, smoked back then. He laid the balloon on the welding bench and lit it. It popped. No boom just normal balloon popping. Then he did the same with a balloon full of acetylene. It popped and sent up a puff of black smoke. Little tendrils of soot floated out of the air, but no big deal. Then he lit the torch set it to burn correctly and shut off the tanks. He put the balloon over the end of the torch tip and turned the tanks back on. He filled it just about the same size as the oxygen and the acetylene balloons had been. Then he lit it. It blew three bricks out of the welding bench and onto the floor. Don't try this at home. Especially not where you will be noticed doing it. It is considered an explosive device and you might just end up on the wrong side of Homeland Security. Just think about the idea that the balloon had maybe 1/8 of a cubic foot of oxy/acetylene in it. The big T bottles most commercial cutting rigs have hold 300 to 330 cu ft of oxygen. The acetylene tanks last longer than oxygen tanks in use because oxygen burns a stochiometric ratio of 2.5 to 1 with acetylene. That is when the flame is burning at its hottest and the acetylene gets all the oxygen it needs for a complete burn. Since the oxygen is also used to burn the iron with a cutting torch you go through oxygen about 2 to one compared to acetylene. That explains why there is a bigger oxygen tank than acetylene. Also the rig is heavy enough. Why carry stuff you don't need. Some journeymen should be reminded of that. The apprentice has to lug the tanks up and down where ever they need to go. Now we went a long way around the barn. If some idiot manages to set off a oxygen/acetylene rig carrying 140 cu ft of acetylene instead of blowing 3 brinks out of a welding bench it will do 8 times 140 times 3 bricks. Roughly 3360. That's if the bricks are laying flat under the explosion and not stacked up around it or over it. Let's just say be careful. You might be within a couple hundred feet of me. BOOM BOOM!
@daveknowshow
@daveknowshow 3 жыл бұрын
@@OldSneelock interesting story on the shop teacher. they would be arrested if they did that these days. lol I was not sure where the acetone came from but like you said its there and it can be a major boom! I dont lay that tank down anymore.
@OldSneelock
@OldSneelock 3 жыл бұрын
@@daveknowshow We may be safer in some ways. I think the trade off into a fear culture isn't worth it. Just my thinking.
@tractorman4461
@tractorman4461 3 жыл бұрын
@@OldSneelock man I liked the shop teacher story... A cousin of mine working midnights put just enough acetylene from his torch into a small trashbag to get it to float. He zip tied it shut with about a three foot piece of toilet paper hanging down. Standing on the dock at 2 a.m. he lit the TP and pushed it out the door. I don't know how high it got, but the explosion set off virtually car alarm within the industrial complex and brought cops from three surrounding districts in a matter of minutes !! Of course nobody knew anything about what the H--- that was !! LOL Yep, he would've made a good shop teacher. And of course maybe even I was guilty of the upside down styrofoam cup on the jobsite trick on a co-worker.... Blow about half a second's worth of acetylene under the cup, then when your buddy fires his torch, you wipe across the cup with a wide sweeping arc of your own torch. The good ones are when you catch 'em with their goggles already pulled down and they don't catch you in the act. LOL. Mind you I said 'might' have been guilty......
@tomwalker9184
@tomwalker9184 3 жыл бұрын
Wendell please watch Rick's Restoration out of Las Vegas on TV, you'll really relate.
@tractorman4461
@tractorman4461 3 жыл бұрын
Ok Tom, I will look them up and take a look. I can tell you they must be pretty cool or you wouldn't recommend them. Thanks for the heads--up !!
@marynollaig4124
@marynollaig4124 3 жыл бұрын
How does it get the solid carbide in without letting the pressure out?
@tractorman4461
@tractorman4461 3 жыл бұрын
There's a twist lock opening on the top of the glass carbide container for filling with the carbide powder. The glass is not under pressure so the carbide can be added at any time. Then the bottom of the glass container is sealed from the chamber that produces the acetylene gas vapor. If you skip to 3:50 you'll see how a shot of the carbide powder is admitted to the sealed chamber below by lifting a release handle once or twice. Now bear in mind, neither of us have ever used this generator and what was presented here was deduced from just fiddling with it that morning. I am sure the old timers knew from experience how long the generation cycle was going to work depending on how many times they added a shot of carbide. The vapor pressure then is allowed to escape through the regulator and to the torch being used in conjunction with oxygen from the replaceable tank that mounts on the rear of the generator between the handle bars. The delivered pressure cannot be allowed above 15 psi because it is extremely unstable above that pressure. Most torches consume 7 - 10 psi of acetylene delivery. Thanks Mary for watching and commenting with a thought provoking question.
@marynollaig4124
@marynollaig4124 3 жыл бұрын
@@tractorman4461 OK, What size lumps is the calcium carbide left in the chamber? Next, when the first carbide is loaded into the water and used by the torch, how are the lumps moved from zero pressure into tank pressure with the acetylene escaping?
@tractorman4461
@tractorman4461 3 жыл бұрын
@@marynollaig4124 the carbide isn’t lumpy at all. As noted above it’s just a powder. A bit grainy similar to corn meal but more fine in consistency. Not ever using it, most of this is conjecture…. But the powder is metered into the chamber by pumping that handle at 3:50. I assume there is a metering chamber that’s attached to the lever and sealed from the pressure vessel. As the gasketed chamber is rotated it aligns with an opening in the top of the pressure tank and the heavier powder drops into the pressure chamber to add to the weakening mixture. Again this is just a guess as to how that is accomplished. They may have to let the outlet pressure drop to a low and unusable pressure then vent it before adding another charge. I just do not know for sure. Somewhere I am sure there is an instruction manual on these old generators. We just don’t have access to it. Do you have any specific or additional information of these ? And if I may ask, why are you showing such interest in this old thing. Might you be associated with a welding supplier or possibly a fabricator ? Thank you for your interest and I would also like to know for sure exactly how it all functioned.
@ryanbeard1119
@ryanbeard1119 8 ай бұрын
We need to see a oxygen generator.
@tractorman4461
@tractorman4461 8 ай бұрын
There are two basic issues with generating oxygen for the bottles in my estimation. First is the compressor with the capability to produce the 2500 psi output to fill the tanks and secondly how to maintain the purity high enough to ensure a clean and efficient cut. Less than 99.5% can be an extreme detriment to the oxy/acetylene torch. It's essentially as pure as medical grade oxygen...and we know how important that is for surgery or for people on portable oxygen. I have never seen the process of generating and filling the tanks...but I would like to just for the heck of it. Thanks for the thought provoking question Ryan.
@dunc71
@dunc71 2 жыл бұрын
I think it’s sight feed as in you can see through the sight glass rather then use on site, hence the spelling
@tractorman4461
@tractorman4461 2 жыл бұрын
That's a good thought. I have virtually no experience with them at all. Thanks for the input and thanks for watching Duncan.
@richardjacques6530
@richardjacques6530 3 жыл бұрын
another treasure
@tractorman4461
@tractorman4461 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you Richard for taking a look at the old thing. Your time is appreciated.
@richardjacques6530
@richardjacques6530 3 жыл бұрын
I like the way you do things and your way of getting things done . You are creative and hard working. You have a passion and those old tractors love you for keeping them alive. They are a part of you as long as they keep going so will you..
@Jerseyhighlander
@Jerseyhighlander 2 жыл бұрын
There is no way I could have that thing in my possession and not restore it to functioning condition. These were also used to provide gas to homes for gas lighting prior to electricity and for a long time competing with electricity.
@tractorman4461
@tractorman4461 2 жыл бұрын
If I could talk my brother out of it I probably would too. It really only needs a few minor components gone over to make it function as it is with all the original decals and all.. They are all readable for the most part. We have a few carbide headlights off of early cars and trucks hanging in the shed too. All from our old home place. I think we have a couple carbide lanterns as well.
@stevenbasnett881
@stevenbasnett881 2 жыл бұрын
They use a 5 gallon bucket with weight on top to set the pressure in 3rd world country. Would love to have detailed pictures
@tractorman4461
@tractorman4461 2 жыл бұрын
I tell you Steven, once you start watching videos of what innovations the guys in third world countries come up with you can just imagine what they could do if they had access to modern machinery in their home shops.
@saginaw60
@saginaw60 26 күн бұрын
Old timer told me his generator made "richer gas" than what ya get from a modern cylinder. Is this true?
@tractorman4461
@tractorman4461 12 күн бұрын
Honestly I don't know. But all that's needed is calcium carbide and water to create acetylene. I don't know how they could make it richer. It's got to be used at pressures below 15psi because of its instability above that pressure. But that's a good question.
@thesmallwoodlot433
@thesmallwoodlot433 3 жыл бұрын
That is one cool piece, can you fire it up? Now a days, the state governments would arrest you and your brother for that under bootlegger laws regardless what it says on the side of it, it has something to do with the shape of the water tank!Lol😂😂😂👍
@tractorman4461
@tractorman4461 3 жыл бұрын
Hahahahaha...Pat, you aren't the first to have noticed the shape association with a particular 'contraband' substance !!
@thesmallwoodlot433
@thesmallwoodlot433 3 жыл бұрын
So now is my next question... When are you going to fire it up?
@thesmallwoodlot433
@thesmallwoodlot433 3 жыл бұрын
@@tractorman4461 and you wonder why? Hahahaha
@tractorman4461
@tractorman4461 3 жыл бұрын
@@thesmallwoodlot433 The jury is still out on that one....It would be a fun time, but we have too many other fish to fry at the moment. He's rebuilding an engine and I'm tearing into a hydrostatic drive on a Kubota....plus some other things as well.
@tractorman4461
@tractorman4461 3 жыл бұрын
@@thesmallwoodlot433 with you my friend, and the history you've lived I can only imagine why...LOL. Thanks for watching man.
@garettanderson6772
@garettanderson6772 Жыл бұрын
There's two of those for sale near me right now. One just like that one, and one a bit larger.
@tractorman4461
@tractorman4461 Жыл бұрын
That's cool. This is the only one I've ever seen. We have several carbide lanterns though as well as one that was for horse drawn carriages back in the day.
@garettanderson6772
@garettanderson6772 Жыл бұрын
Steampunk.
@tractorman4461
@tractorman4461 Жыл бұрын
Hahahaha....I thought that Cee Kay Welding Supply would love to have it for display in their main offices in the big city.
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