Actual Science vs Carnivore Fiction

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The Framingham Study and the Mediterranean Diet vs Anthony Chaffee and the Carnivore Diet.
0:00 Carnivore diet fiction
1:50 Plants are trying to kill us
4:28 The story of John Scharffenberg
5:57 Dr. Daniel Levy interview
7:26 The story of Ed Freis
12:12 Roosevelt’s death
15:26 Epidemiology and patience
17:51 Social media vs science
20:09 Statins
21:12 Mendelian randomization
22:32 HDL cholesterol
25:57 Triglycerides to HDL ratio
27:23 Framingham fight for survival
34:54 The volunteers
37:00 Salt
40:25 Saturated fat
42:30 William Castelli
43:52 Healthiest diet
47:49 PFAS forever chemicals
48:45 Red meat
50:58 Framingham data for sale
52:25 Genetic studies
53.32 Anthony Chaffee Harvard approved
VIDEOS
Dr. Anthony Chaffee - 'Plants are trying to kill you!'
• Dr. Anthony Chaffee - ...
The Human Health Study That's Changing the World
• The Human Health Study...
Bruce Ames on Triage Theory, Longevity Vitamins & Micronutrients
• Bruce Ames on Triage T...
Exposing FRAUD Cholesterol Studies! Anthony Chaffee MD
• 🔴Exposing FRAUD Choles...
Cholesterol DOES NOT Cause HEART DISEASE! | Dr. Anthony Chaffee
• 🔴 Cholesterol DOES NOT...
BOOKS
Change of Heart: Unraveling the Mysteries of Cardiovascular Disease
www.amazon.com/Change-Heart-U...
The Carnivore Diet by Shawn Baker
www.amazon.com/Audible-Carniv...
The New Good Fat Bad Fat: Lower Your Cholesterol and Reduce Your Odds of a Heart Attack by William Castelli
www.amazon.com/New-Good-Fat-B...
PAPERS
The Scientist magazine: Man-Made and Natural Carcinogens: Putting The Risks In Perspective
www.the-scientist.com/man-mad...
Ames Agrees With Mom's Advice: Eat Your Fruits and Vegetables
jamanetwork.com/journals/jama...
Endogenous oxidative DNA damage, aging, and cancer by Bruce Ames
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2684796/
Bruce Ames testimony to congress: Misconceptions About Environmental
Pollution, Pesticides and the Causes of Cancer
www.ncpathinktank.org/pdfs/st...
Are vitamin and mineral deficiencies a major cancer risk? Bruce Ames in Nature
www.nature.com/articles/nrc886
Dietary pesticides (99.99% all natural) by Bruce Ames
www.pnas.org/doi/abs/10.1073/...
Dietary Carcinogens and Anticarcinogens: Oxygen radicals and degenerative diseases by Bruce Ames
www.science.org/doi/10.1126/s...
What are the major carcinogens in the etiology of human cancer? Environmental pollution, natural carcinogens, and the causes of human cancer: six errors
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2651291/
Harvard University: the carnivore diet is a terrible idea
www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/hsp...
Woman's World: Carnivore Cure for Weight Loss at 50, 60, 70...Anthony Chaffee
magazineshop.us/products/woma...
How one health study, inspired by FDR's
death, changed life in America forever
www.framinghamheartstudy.org/...
Veterans Administration Cooperative Study Group on Hypertensive Agents: effects of age on treatment results by Ed Freis
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2006655/
Serum cholesterol, lipoproteins, and the risk of coronary heart disease. The Framingham study by Willam Kannel
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/5539274/
Factors of risk in the development of coronary heart disease--six year follow-up experience. The Framingham Study
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/13751...
Framingham Heart Study Cardiovascular Disease (10-year risk calculator)
www.framinghamheartstudy.org/...
Framingham Heart Study Hard Coronary Heart Disease (10-year risk)
www.framinghamheartstudy.org/...
Primary Prevention of Cardiovascular Disease with a Mediterranean Diet Supplemented with Extra-Virgin Olive Oil or Nuts
www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056...
Comparative ecologic relationships of saturated fat, sucrose, food groups, and a Mediterranean food pattern score to 50-year coronary heart disease mortality rates among 16 cohorts of the Seven Countries Study
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29769...
Primary Prevention of Cardiovascular Disease with a Mediterranean Diet Supplemented with Extra-Virgin Olive Oil or Nuts
www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056...
Residential proximity to major roads, exposure to fine particulate matter and aortic calcium: the Framingham Heart Study, a cohort study
bmjopen.bmj.com/content/7/3/e...

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@lillefrance7406 Ай бұрын

I was in France visiting family. They had a well loved sportscaster die of a heart attack in his 40s. They had a special on TV about heart disease and what to do about it. They repeatedly cited the Framingham Study.

@justinw1765 Ай бұрын

Isn't France a bit of an exception to the trend seen in the 7 nations study? I believe it even has a label called the French paradox. The French are known to eat A LOT of cheese for example, and yet have less issues than many other nations that have a very high saturated fat diet. While I think saturated fat is a big part of the picture of health (or lack thereof) , there are many other factors too. For example, I learned that a lot of the dairy cows in France are still of the older breeds that produce only A2 casein. Here in North America, it is the opposite. Many of the cows here have the relatively recent A1 casein mutation, where they produce both A1 and A2 casein proteins. Speaking from personal experience, I think that makes a big difference. I'm extremely intolerant of non cultured or briefly cultured A1 mixed dairy (minus yogurt). One of the biggest symptoms is that it turns me into a hyper mucous factory for a couple of days, much like I have a cold/infection of some kind. Meanwhile, A2 only dairy doesn't bother me in the slightest. Anyways, all this to say is that the picture is probably a lot more complicated/multi factored than many give it credit for.

@CharlieFader Ай бұрын

@@justinw1765there’s a debate about whether there is a paradox to begin with. Underreported CVD deaths is one explanation, high vegetable consumption is a another, probably a combination of the two.

@justinw1765 Ай бұрын

@@CharlieFader Yes, all potential considerations. I wasn't trying to say that saturated fat was in any way health promoting. It's clear that, especially in excess, it contributes to lots of various health issues.

@wendycarter5718 Ай бұрын

You can fool some of the people all of the time !!!

@wendycarter5718 Ай бұрын

@@justinw1765Ooh yes !!! Lets eat rancid seed oil instead !! Yum!!

@marilynbeth5993 Ай бұрын

I'm going to mention this again. I lowered my cholesterol by more than a hundred point by diet alone. It's now been two years since I first saw a number under 180. I had a cholesterol over 280. Statins didn't reduce my cholesterol more than twenty points. Eating less meat and more vegetables made the change.

@PlantChompers Ай бұрын

I was surprised when Dr. Levy said so emphatically that you cannot get the lowering by diet alone that you can get from statins. Some people seem to be able to, like you. 👏

@SCwirlify Ай бұрын

@@PlantChompers Sugar lowers LDL cholesterol. Especially in lean people. The lipid energy model explains how and why.

@carinaekstrom1 Ай бұрын

@@PlantChompers Yes, I think it would be a very common result if people just did it. But I think Dr. Levy meant that people are not willing to do it with diet.

@jwestfalldavis3574 Ай бұрын

Me, too!

@BartBVanBockstaele Ай бұрын

In my case, cholesterol was always fine, but I had a blood pressure of over 220 systolic. Changing my diet (which only became possible after I found a way of eating that did not make me miserable) allowed me to lose well over 60 kg and lower my blood pressure to around 110 systolic. Weight loss was almost certainly the cause, but that loss was made possible by diet, in combination with willpower (another dirty word these days).

@benjammin105123 Ай бұрын

80, 90, and 100 year old doctors still working and making a difference. What more information do you need?

@catherinekasmer9905 Ай бұрын

Tastes are malleable. People get used to eating things that taste horrible( hard liquor for example.) Likewise we can adapt to eating unprocessed plants. I personally do not like oil after a decade of leaving it behind. I get my healthy fats in small amounts from whole plant foods such as nuts, seeds and avocados. Other plants have modest amounts of fat in them as well. There is no need to pour oil into snd onto our food. The notion that we need it for food to taste good is just untrue. I think saying that things need to taste good to have a sustainable way of eating requires a more nuanced explanation. We get used to eating things and tastes shift. Also we are hard wired to like sweet, fat and salt and there can be a drive to overeat those things. Highly palatable meats, dairy, refined flours, sugar and oil can become addictive. Food can taste very good in a whole food plant based diet without crossing into hyper-palatability. One undeniable drawback of oil in our society is that the vast majority of Americans are overweight or obese. That alone is good reason to eliminate a refined item that is so calorie dense. Furthermore, over half of the country lives paycheck to paycheck. 40% don’t even have $400 in the bank for an emergency. Oil is not in any way necessary for health or palatability. That money spent on oil would be better spent on beans, rice, fruit and vegetables.

@PlantChompers Ай бұрын

The oils are quite destructive to the planet, too. 😔

@Kayte... Ай бұрын

And I love the ease of clean up since not using oil. I know our digestive processes has its own mechanism for breaking down food but I've often wondered how similar oil clogging the kitchen drain is to it clogging our arteries.

@JohnMoseley Ай бұрын

@@Kayte... Yes! It transforms the washing up. I love that.

@4124V4TA-SNPCA-x Ай бұрын

I agree with you overall, except that hard liquor doesn't taste good. Hard liquors, hard spirits and high alcohol content aperitifs and digestivs all taste great. I liked them when I first tried them as a child. So did with wine and beer. But I may be in the minority. It is a matter of taste I think. Comparable to liking overly bitter or overly sour drinks and food.

@nataliegist2014 Ай бұрын

@@JohnMoseley try carnivore on pan and a couple of plates , dishes done.

@Perenbarn Ай бұрын

It's disheartening that the passion and dedication of genuine scientists often go unrecognized. These incredible individuals dedicate their work and love to the greater good, yet many people dismiss their contributions in favor of having their egos boosted by quacks. This tendency to overlook real expertise in favor of self-serving pseudo-science is truly saddening.

@lynnritchie231 Ай бұрын

We all like to hear good news about our bad habits. I'm waiting for the day cake is classed as a superfood.

@4124V4TA-SNPCA-x Ай бұрын

@@lynnritchie231 That's a funny thing to say as there are many super food cake recipes out there. It mostly only takes a cake to be gluten free, vegan and contain some 'superfood' ingredients to achieve superfood cake status, it seems. There are also actual studies claiming eating candy is good for your health. You would have never guess the sponsorship of studies like this in a million years, however. 🙃 So you don't have to wait, that day have arrived long before today. And superfood isn't a proper term, only a marketing and social media gimmick. There are more 'superfoods' out there are care to count and new ones are proclaimed all the time.

@johnnypineapple4140 Ай бұрын

Remember to get your covid vaccine boosters!!

@BartBVanBockstaele Ай бұрын

@@4124V4TA-SNPCA-x I eat superfoods every day, except that no one calls them that. They are called, beans, lentils, grains, onions, carrots, cabbage, tomatoes, and much more. "super" reminds me of "premium". Both meaningless terms that only indicate that they are more expensive than they should be.

@4124V4TA-SNPCA-x Ай бұрын

@@BartBVanBockstaele Agreed. Which is exactly why the non scientific marketing term was invented in the first place. To jack up prices and demand. For example I'd just eat a tad bit more grapes than gojis, thank you. Grapes have less sugar than goji berries anyway. Grapes also have less dietary covers and somewhat less vitamin C but legumes and oats and psyllium do exists. Other berries and paprika and citruses more than cover that. Basically most whole foods can be considered super anyway. (Of course I also eat gojis when they are available at a discount because varietas delectat.) Cabbage that you have mentioned relatively lately became superfood and sauerkraut is fashionable in the US. My ancestors have already ate those for millennia, thank you. One needs a super diet and lifestyle, not trendy food trends.

@antoniettaesp7776 Ай бұрын

Another great episode!! Thanks so much for all you do to bring SCIENCE based research and truth to the forefront. You can tell you put a lot of hard work into your episodes.

@nataliegist2014 Ай бұрын

Into promoting big Pharma.

@dreao276 Ай бұрын

Someone who usto work in my job just died at 59 from a silent heartattack. And he had been doing keto for many years

@PlantChompers Ай бұрын

😞

@MindlessTube Ай бұрын

He was probably using seed oils which cause heat attacks.

@PlantChompers Ай бұрын

@MindlessTube Do you have data for that?

@nelsonjv1 Ай бұрын

@@PlantChompersyou really don’t know about seed oils? A man who constantly reads medical journals and is so eloquently spoken as you? I don’t believe it.

@PlantChompers Ай бұрын

@nelsonjv1 Yes, I made two episodes about them. No matter how hard I looked, I couldn't find credible evidence of harm from seed oils other than their association with processed food. And I wanted to believe there was harm for many reasons - their ultraprocessed nature, their harm to the planet, etc. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/p6-eo6h8rcrOiJ8.html

@tombaron5607 Ай бұрын

Thank you for devoting your time, effort, and knowledge to bring us content like this. This channel is doing a lot of good for our collective health and the health of the planet.

@nataliegist2014 Ай бұрын

The reason that they won’t do studies on the carnivore diet is because big pharmaceutical can’t make any money off of it. It would bring down their bottom dollar if everybody was off seven different prescription medication’s like I am and it would save the planet. My carbon footprint is down over 25% just from not having to take diabetes medication not to mention the other five medication‘s that I no longer have to take.

@georgewilson7808 23 күн бұрын

I suffered from metabolic syndrome (obesity, high cholesterol, high triglycerides, and high blood sugar). I went whole food plant based no sugar oil or salt and I lost 65 pounds, all my conditions greatly improved, my gums stopped bleeding, and erections and energy returned. I used to have an appetite that was never satisfied; whole foods cured it. I no longer use a sleep apnea machine. Finally, the food is cheap-Beans, lentils, rice, potatoes and seasonal apples. Also, I save money by not having to buy pills or visit the Doctor. I am thankful to all the vegans who suffered attacks to reveal the truth to me.

@myhorse52 Ай бұрын

The reason people follow those social media people that put out content that may not be true, is because they are saying what they want to hear. People don't really want to know the truth unless it fits into their narrative.

@VeridianBlues Ай бұрын

Exactly. Majority of people lack discipline and are hedonistic, self-indulgent and self-serving. If you tell them to continue to do what they have been doing for years and that is not YOU who is the problem but imaginary "evil doctors/bill gates/government" - you are their savior. In the case of doctors who promote quasi carnivore diet, they only ask you to remove "veggies" - something that these people haven't been eating at all or were eating in very small quantities. It becomes even easier. They will just go to one isle and grab some corpses - no thought given. Slap some bombastic words, such as "grass fed/humanely abused" - and they will dish out money feeling good about the bad thing.

@xnoreq Ай бұрын

The platform providers (or "content curators") are also to blame for that. Once you click a few of those videos you will almost exclusively get recommended videos/content creators that follow the same theme. Being trapped in such a bubble not only reinforces ignorance, it convinces people that they know the truth™ even though they know very little and a lot of it is misinformation.

@roberthutchins3435 Ай бұрын

A Man Or Woman Believes What They Want To Believe And Disregard The Rest

@xnoreq Ай бұрын

@@roberthutchins3435 While it may appear to be that simple at the surface, it is not true. There are plenty of instances where people change their mind given the right information even though they wanted to believe the opposite. I myself struggled with some false beliefs for years. Especially those we're brought up with and surrounded by are hard to shake off.

@mattyb1624 Ай бұрын

Those "influencers", whom are actually doctors with decades of experience, saved my life. Plants, specifically fibre put me in hospital twice. You're the one who is ignorant of the truth.

@4124V4TA-SNPCA-x Ай бұрын

What a great video! I love your sincere enthusiasm and appreciation during your interviews. It shows how much you know and respect the work of the researchers you have the opportunity to talk with. I like the historical tidbits that are need to me. And showing the antique equipment they had to work on. I also love seeing the environment and equipment seen in the old documentary on the China study found in KZfaq. Makes you appreciate their work even more. Even if i knew the history of analytical instrumentation and computers already. Knowing something in theory (and therefore inevitably in abstraction) and seeing it in actual reality are two different things. However I think yours are partially a Sisyphean labour. When the influencers in question doesn't even know the very basics about their topic and simply dismiss things they haven't even read it heard about. They won't change their opinion they built their livelihood on whatever the case may be. They may continue to say it all comes down to genetics. Maybe some strong or different kinds of people can survive the plants but most not. Or is all fake data. They say what their followers want to hear. Of course more open minded and analytical people appreciate your work. And all three carnivores you have actually managed to convince in the last couple of years.

@sk.n.9302 Ай бұрын

I lowered my cholesterol from 276 to 175 by going 'whole food plant based'. I am so thankful. No meds. All other #s normal. Now 7 yrs. vegan. I'm 63.

@PlantChompers Ай бұрын

👏💪🎉

@Cyclone546 Ай бұрын

Why would you want to lower your cholesterol 😂

@CharlieFader Ай бұрын

@@Cyclone546only because of the science. LDL is causal for CVD. Why would you want to have a heart attack?

@longevitycoach1573 Ай бұрын

@@PlantChompers you are misinforming, why you do that? Do you hate humans? kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hqqlqJx1ltfdcZc.html

@BartBVanBockstaele Ай бұрын

@@Cyclone546 Some people are not suicidal and would like to have good quality of life. People like this like to lower their cholesterol because they know that increases the probability they will actually achieve those goals.

@peterbedford2610 Ай бұрын

Interviews with the actual researchers is far more Informative than all these people giving us their interpretation of their work. Thank you.

@Lennybird91 Ай бұрын

I'm really surprised potassium hardly ever gets a mention when discussing hypertension and lowering sodium; the two work together with opposite functions. It seems recent literature suggests the ratio is more important than anything, but it's hardly ever discussed. This also undermines the carnivore diet further, considering there's no way you get the potassium you need.

@justinw1765 Ай бұрын

Great point. I think that the Japanese have a relatively high sodium intake, but also tend to eat more potassium than westerners, especially North Americans. If fact, I believe it is possible to over do potassium if you are not getting enough sodium. I have noticed that my salt cravings go up under two conditions: If I sweat a lot, or when I'm eating A LOT of vegetables and fruits with relatively little sodium for awhile. I don't think those temporary cravings are a matter of addiction, like Dr. Goldhamer says *. Like so much in life, it is about balance and moderation. Sodium is not really the devil, or even really a devil. But it can be overdone, especially if not balanced out by potassium. * Speaking of Goldhamer, I agree with a lot of what he says, but even he says some illogical stuff at times. In one interview, in talking about the detrimental effects of sodium and how it is used as a antimicrobial preserver of food, and paraphrased, "just imagine what it is doing to the human body and our gut microbiome..." Well he apparently completely forgot that many traditionally cultured foods are done so in a pretty significant salt brine (and for good reasons). It seems that plenty of probiotic lactic bacteria (that are indigenous to various vegetable surfaces) are just fine with fairly high salt levels, way more than can be found in the human gut or even blood at any given time. Meanwhile, mold and various other pathogenic microbes, don't like the higher salt, which is part of the reason why it is used.

@look-into Ай бұрын

@@justinw1765 yeah, ignoring my salt cravings and not adding any salt to foods was a mistake. It led to brainfog. Fixed it by adding sodium back in. So there's definitely a balance to be found.

@jacknap6745 Ай бұрын

Great point

@nataliegist2014 Ай бұрын

I found as long as I don’t consume carbs and sugar. I can have as much salt as I want without any ill effects.

@markgarcia5845 Ай бұрын

Great interview. Thanks, Chris for bringing this to us. And I love the point that you ended on. Really illustrates your point about checking data.

@frompizzaaddicttovegan Ай бұрын

Love your channel and videos so much. Thank you for teaching us all and giving us ammo to talk about these topics which have sadly become controversial and wildly misrepresented. Your channel and expertise is so needed in a sea of misinformation.

@davetrevino4670 Ай бұрын

This channel is quickly becoming one of my favorite health related YT channels. Thank you for this amazing content! Keep up the wonderful work ❤

@pgmadnesssmith5370 Ай бұрын

One of your best productions! Normally you jump around in videos and make it challenging to follow. However you are always well thought out and very factual! Thank you!

@ScottLane-ud9tj Ай бұрын

I'm 67 and I've been a vegan/vegetarian for most of 35 years. My health is Excellent and my blood tests/ urine tests are Excellent. I recently had a cardiovascular test which showed No problems. I daily eat 5 or 6 servings of fruits and veggies. I've been eating raw fruits and vegetables my entire life with No adverse health problems. My daily intake of salt, fat and sugar is low with especially low salt, sugar intake.

@GlennsFastReviews Ай бұрын

Can you do a series on sugar substitutes: artificial sweeteners; sugar alcohols; alternative sugars with low GI/GL (e.g. monk fruit, stevia)? And, can you also do one on the various types of saturated fats?

@justinw1765 Ай бұрын

I second this! Especially interested in sugar alcohols. I hear so much conflicting stuff about them.

@GlennMcGrewII Ай бұрын

@@justinw1765 I can tell you that, at least in theory, erythritol is the safest to use. Very little of it goes to the liver or gets converted to glycogen, which means it has very little impact on your liver and blood sugar. Sucralose, monk fruit and Stevia are also similarly safe. Caveat: everyone is different so your experience may vary from this. One video I watched of a couple testing the impact of these products on their blood sugar actually experienced a slight DECREASE in blood sugar using monk fruit. Stick with those and, unless you start having problems (check side effect info), you should be good. I still want Chris to do videos on this stuff. I can tell you from personal experience that erythritol is weakly sweet and many sweeteners that use it are similarly not that sweet. I was able to find sucralose in a 20x form, and you only need to use a tiny amount to sweeten your consumables, although I didn't feel it was necessarily really 20x.

@pentapox9665 Ай бұрын

You all can do as you will, no judgement. But from actual experience, the carnivore diet drastically improved every aspect of my health. I am stronger, my cardio is better, my skin is better, my hair grows faster, my energy level is way more steady. My inner voice is significantly more relaxed and my thoughts don't make my heart race anymore. My anxiety is vastly improved. I no longer have inflammation in my joints and gut. My stools are significantly less gross. My body fat has gone from over 20% to under 12%. I used to suffer from hypertension. Now my blood pressure is perfect. I know people who eat mostly a plant based diet believe that this can't be true, but have any of you actually tried it? You guys realize that mainstream health and dietary science is often later found out to be totally wrong, right? The doctor who realized that microbes spread diseases actually died in an insane asylum. He was committed by his peers. His suggestion that they wash their hands before treating patients offended their sensibilities so much that he was openly mocked.

@nataliegist2014 Ай бұрын

My hair color is coming back.

@pentapox9665 Ай бұрын

@@nataliegist2014 That is amazing. I really hope that happens to me, I am relatively new so I feel like I am just tapping into the health improvements that I'll make. The hair on top of my head is still dark, but my side hair and beard have waaaay too much grey for my liking.

@nataliegist2014 Ай бұрын

@@pentapox9665 My eyelashes or translucent. The hair on my head was a beautiful silvery white. I looked at it today and it has black hairs showing up as well as brown, over all It looks blonde. And I have absolutely know split ends. I was a barber/Cosmetologist and cutting split end off should be the only way to get rid of them.

@pentapox9665 Ай бұрын

@@stevet5549 In the previous 3 years to carnivore, I kept trying and tweaking versions of the socially approved healthy diets. I started while working outside sales. I was on the go, so I started having a green smoothie to start my day every day. From there I got into chia seeds, almonds and nuts. I switched white bread for whole grain and white rice for brown rice. After about a year of gradual adjustments, I ended up eating what most would consider a healthy diet with a once a week cheat day where I could have one meal that was fast food or just whatever. I still ate red meat, but most of my meat at this point was chicken and fish. I ate eggs and dairy. Milk in my coiffe. Lots of milk and lots of coffee. I would keep peanut butter and jelly and graham crackers in the house so I wouldn't turn to candy if I was overtaken by sugar cravings. On the whole I would say my diet wasn't perfect before, but it was probably batter than most people. What I have learned is that your body needs cholesterol to regulate your hormones. I think my diet being low in cholesterol and animal fats, plus being high in fiber and oxalates, was really messing me up. Fiber is useless. I have not had any fiber at all for months and I poop way better than I did while I was eating it. Our food pyramid is upside down. Animal fats are the most important part of the diet, IMO.

@pentapox9665 Ай бұрын

@@stevet5549 I was eating "healthy" with a cheat day once a week for a couple years prior. Most of my meat was fish and chicken. Brown rice. Whole grain bread. Seeds and nuts for snacks. I did drink a lot of coffee, probably too much. And I would drink a lot of milk as well. If I needed sugar, I would usually do pb&j on graham crackers but mostly try not to eat too much sugar. I was active too. I know I talked about my issues, but I never stopped doing stuff over them even though it was tough. I was doing BJJ classes 3-4 days a week. On carnivore, I can rest more from exercise. Eating the "superfood" way I was constantly watching my weight and would overwork if it started bothering me too much. Now, I can take weeks off and not only do I not gain weight, but I also don't lose any muscle. I'll sum it up this way. Eating chia seeds and whole grains, I felt like I was constantly fighting a battle against deterioration. I had to be vigilant, and even though I did my best, I was still deteriorating at what seemed to me like a rapid rate. I am in my late 40s, if you are wondering. On the carnivore diet, I feel the opposite of that, really. My bodyfat is lower than when I was in my 20s, and I don't have to count a single calorie. I just eat until I am not hungry anymore. My skin is still improving. My hair is thicker and healthier. I don't get hangnails anymore. My energy level is steady and consistent. My memory is better. I definitely feel like my body gets way more of what it needs on this diet than on the recommended diets.

@LawrenceCarroll1234 Ай бұрын

One thought that immediately came to mind just now (& I'm only at the 4:23 mark into this excellent video ) is this: that the naturally occurring pesticides in plants are probably usually like d-limeonene, the pesticide found in oranges. I would wager that many work mechanically rather than as chemical neurotoxins. D-limonene works mechanically. Many synthetic pesticides work as chemical neurotoxins, which is why pests are able over time to adapt and build up resistance. Insects -- as far as I know -- cannot build resistance to something that dissolves their exoskeletons, nor against suffocation, or sharp microscopic particles that enter their digestive systems, as Diamataceous Earth or borates operate. But then there is naturally occurring pyrethrin in chrysanthemum, which does operate chemically rather than mechanically, and is a neurotoxin, and will elicit adaptive resistance . But even it in its natural form degrades much quicker than the synthetic permethrin, and I would think is less dangerous to humans, though still quite deadly. And there are other very deadly, natural compounds in the botanical world. So i am not a scientist, and would love to learn more. But again. I find most of the arguments that "edible plants are trying to kill us" hilarious!😂

@4124V4TA-SNPCA-x Ай бұрын

That's true. On the suffocation: But several insects and even more other arthropoda, mainly arachnida can stand suffocation for an awful long time. We don't know exactly how some spiders do it but it is breath taking. (Sorry for the pun.)

@morejoy5188 Ай бұрын

Well they are literally 'a joke '.

@m33265 Ай бұрын

So for example Allicin, from garlic etc., natural antibiotic, is not destroying you colon microbiome ? Come on.

@JacobSTSVox Ай бұрын

Natural pesticides in plants are also plant polyphenols - the compounds associated with inflammatory reduction and overall reductions in disease risk. Organic produce have more polyphenols than non-organic because the agricultural pesticides cause the plant not to produce its own pesticides, which also happen to be one of the healthiest parts of plants that make their nutritional profile unique.

@LawrenceCarroll1234 Ай бұрын

@@4124V4TA-SNPCA-x , I use clove oil a lot to kill both insects and arachnids. I'm not sure the mechanism, but had assumed it was suffocation. Recently was unable to get much effect with bed bugs with clove, but then did a search online and found a study where d-limonene performed well, so I switched to that and BOOM! It slaughtered them, which for a vegan was ironically extremely gratifying. They die almost immediately and I've completely eliminated the infestation that had bothered me for weeks. I believe the nervous systems of bugs are rather rudimentary compared to those in the higher strata, like kittens(!!) & puppies(!). So logically speaking, the more complex the nervous system, the more the creature feels emotion. 😻

@KrocksInTheKitchen Ай бұрын

This is a masterclass of data vs. anecdotes. Everyone should watch this video.

@longevitycoach1573 Ай бұрын

Let’s have a debate and find out who is the liar.

@johnnypineapple4140 Ай бұрын

Remember to get your covid vaccine boosters!!

@audreysuter4315 Ай бұрын

@@johnnypineapple4140😂😂😂

@longevitycoach1573 Ай бұрын

Are you taking your B12? Humans brain can’t function without meat and that’s science.

@A.I.- Ай бұрын

@@longevitycoach1573 But you don't even know how to debate. You're going to present information from non-credible sources. You're going to present anecdotal evidences. You're going to present non-peer reviewed research. What's the point of debating an idiot?

@evanlouis8853 Ай бұрын

Chris...thank you for continuing to fight the good fight. You certainly have your work cut out for you. When you suggest to someone that it's not healthy to continue to stimulate their dopamine in a way that they have been programmed to believe is not only their age-old tradition, but a strong glue holding together their social structure, then you have a real fight on your hands. Chris...you're the best!

@happyapple4269 Ай бұрын

what you talking about? hes completely wrong😂

@nataliegist2014 Ай бұрын

@@happyapple4269 yes Cris cut down on the salt and take a pill to lower your blood pressure.i would rather eat meat.

@JEKYLLHYDE123 Ай бұрын

absolutely love you, your content and the way you collect and show so much data

@robinpetersson3081 Ай бұрын

I don't like that fast food is always blamed for being high in sodium. We get too much sodium EVERYWHERE we eat, at home and at restaurants. If your food is under saltet you won't like it, or you will add more salt yourself. The only way to avoid salt is to cook your own food and retrain your taste buds.

@limitisillusion7 Ай бұрын

Sodium is positively correlated with lifespan up to 5 grams per day. Plus, if you sweat a lot you need more.

@asdf1991asdf Ай бұрын

Lol salt is good for you dumb dumb. Vegans deep down know that the results of carnivore are incredible, and you are bewildered

@GregariousAntithesis Ай бұрын

Problem isnt to much sodium its to little potassium

@joeltucci1916 Ай бұрын

The processing masks the saltiness taste in a lot of food. Try making some French fries from scratch and then add as much salt as McDonald’s has in its fries. They would be inedible because of how overpowering the salt flavor is. It’s incredibly difficult to put too much salt in your food if cooking at home.

@karlhungus5554 Ай бұрын

@robinpetersson3081 - "We get too much sodium EVERYWHERE we eat, at home and at restaurants." Why would you get too much sodium eating at home? I don't.

@weareherbivores 14 күн бұрын

This is excellent work! Also currently researching for a deep dive on this topic for our next video.

@MrLivethedream24 7 күн бұрын

Yet another fantastic and informative video. We are all so thankful for your work, Chris

@bill2292 Ай бұрын

Fantastic episode Chris! All your episodes are exceptionally well done to the point they are becoming works of reference! I thoroughly enjoy how you interview the seminal organizations and scientists to uncover the absolute truth. Much to your credit, I've never heard you call a youtube spinmeister a "Big fat liar" 🙂.

@PlantChompers Ай бұрын

Hahaha, thank you so much.

@georgewilson7808 Ай бұрын

I reversed my metabolic syndrome (obesity, high blood pressure, high blood sugar, high serum triglycerides, low serum high-density lipoprotein) with a low sodium whole foods plant based diet. Now I sleep better, and my energy and sexual vitality has returned.

@RobertWinter2 Ай бұрын

I had a similar experience although I needed to do Keto. Reversed T2D and got off all my meds and devices (metformin, statin, BP, Imodium, CPAP). Been a decade now and at 64, I feel better than I did in my 40s.

@paulmiller1803 27 күн бұрын

It’s so interesting… I was 90lbs overweight for 20 years… high blood pressure…. High cholesterol… GERD… sleep apnea… TIA stroke two years ago… Did a standard calorie restrictive diet beginning in January 24… plateaued in march at 30lbs lost… went to Dr. Internet to discover why, and discovered Ketogenesis. I immediately cut out ALL grain; ALL added sugar; ALL starch; ALL seed/vegetable oils… eat only meat and its associated fat, dairy, eggs, fish, green vegetables, low glycemic fruit, Olive oil, Avacado oil, and a few nuts. I’ve lost 80 lbs, my metabolic blood markers all normalized, my doc took me off statins, off blood pressure meds, I took myself off GERD meds… it’s like a miracle. Whether Keto is right, or Carnivore is right, or Vegetarian is right, or Vegan is right… one thing all these diets agree upon is the need to eat real food, and get rid of the processed garbage and sugar.

@CatholicSatan Ай бұрын

It's odd... I'm a Brit in his 70s and _I've_ known about the Framingham Study since before I went to university (Maths, not any biology courses). So that the ignorance of anti-science "influencers" in _this age_ of easy access to information baffles me. I say "influencers" because I've noticed how they tend to attract people already in the bubble seeking out the cod science instead of the serious stuff.

@4124V4TA-SNPCA-x Ай бұрын

I love your comment. The basic trend I see that education is deteriorating and easily accessible information to too many things actually provides a noise rather than actual knowledge. As you have also stated, the internet provides great opportunities for creation of echo chambers for self indulgence. And pop culture and entertainment of all sorts are stronger and more overwhelming than ever before. I like talking to people of your generation and orvos generations to not only find out how much they have learned but how many information they have actually retained for many decades. Getting a university degree meant different thing in the 70s and then again different thing in the 30s compared to what it means recently. Of course exceptions do exist. And the trends I see from my perspective aren't universal. But that's what I have experienced.

@PlantChompers Ай бұрын

I agree with echo chambers being SO powerful. When only positive anecdotes are allowed and they are emotional, it sweeps a lot of people off their feet.

@blackpalacemusic Ай бұрын

These "influencers" are dangerous.

@Meathead-10810 Ай бұрын

That's funny, I was about to have corrective surgery on my plant diet but switched to meat only and ALL of my health problems disappeared quite quickly with no exercise and no surgery.

@WilliamRoscoe Ай бұрын

@@Meathead-10810 Can happen in the short term, but it's going to be interesting to see what happens to your body without any fiber or polyphenols in the medium to long term.

@Pinja567 Ай бұрын

Havent watched this one yet but just wanted to comment to remind that I adore your channel and am looking forward to your hour-long videos cause I know they're gonna be packed with interesting stuff

@PlantChompers Ай бұрын

Thanks! I sweated over this one because the interview alone with Dr. Levy was over an hour; when I threw parts of it overboard (usually because I asked a lame question), then I would question myself about that decision... 🤷

@zelareka Ай бұрын

@@PlantChompers this channel is science for idiots, you make them feel smart but in the end its a religion

@Pinja567 Ай бұрын

@@PlantChompersI can see why cutting parts would be difficult. He seems like a great interviewee with such clear and relevant answers.

@4124V4TA-SNPCA-x Ай бұрын

@@PlantChompers Not like we wouldn't watch the uncut interview. It uploaded in two videos as pt1 & pt2...

@prieten49 Ай бұрын

Yippee! Another great Plant Chompers video interview of a great scientist. I listened to every minute of it, something I haven't been able to do with most videos these days.

@MickisMom Ай бұрын

Your channel has fast become my favorite. I look forward to each new video release. They’re so informative and I love how you weave history in. I can’t believe Dr. Lustig gets so much attention. Look how unhealthy he looks. I suspect if you take his BMI that he falls into the obese category. Shouldn’t he know better that saturated fat is not good for us? It’s ironic that medical doctors become the authority on nutrition when they receive little to no education in nutrition.

@christianknudsen1919 Ай бұрын

Yet another facinating and very educational video. Here in Denmark we have a saying: "Empty barrels rumble the loudest". Your quietly insisting on the facts is just so inspiering, and I am very grateful for your work.

@chuckv8838 Ай бұрын

I love that empty barrels rumble the loudest…is golden!

@user-ns3jo1of4o Ай бұрын

In English we have : Empty vessels make the most sound.

@MrJOHNMICHAELVEGA Ай бұрын

Alcohol shouldn’t be consumed at all!

@bonsummers2657 Ай бұрын

Quality beer and wine, in prudent moderation are absolutely highly optimally healthy, when keenly desired. Rarely a bit of liquor.

@udarpavarota396 26 күн бұрын

I agree.

@CraigHocker Ай бұрын

I'm far from vegan, I aspire to Mediterranean, though I enjoy a good burger or steak occasionally. But I'm glad you defending good science like The Framingham Study. I eat my fruit and veggies and so does my centenarian mom though she loves beef (but does eat fish often) and as did my centenarian grandmother who was born in 1887. We are a family of long lived omnivores.

@ankurupadhyay280 Ай бұрын

It's soothing to watch your videos and interviews

@mostlyharmlessrc3920 Ай бұрын

Thank you for making great videos like this! We have more work than ever fighting against what people want to be true versus what IS true.

@MarcusMChase Ай бұрын

You're both right! The USC prof has a point; try it yourself, measure your blood pressure then cut sugar and high glycemic food for a few days and measure blood pressure again.

@_TerraRae_ Ай бұрын

Amazing video, very informative. Keep it up! You have no idea how much KZfaq needs videos like this atm

@planelyflyin Ай бұрын

This was a fascinating episode and interview! I found your channel a few weeks ago and have been watching through a lot of them. I decided to give it a shot and switched to a mostly vegetarian diet, and saw almost immediate results! Many of the health issues I've been struggling with are slowly getting better now. Venturing into the world of veggie based protein though has brought me to great and confusing debate around soy. Could you do a video on soy please? Trying to sift through the spectrum of "soy is going to kill you" to "everyone should be eating soy" has been very confusing.

@PlantChompers Ай бұрын

Congrats on your success. It often takes time to adjust to all the extra fiber, but it appears you adapted easily. I am a big fan of soy, haven't seen any evidence that it's harmful in any way, at least in reasonable amounts (reasonable amounts seems to apply to almost every food, no?).

@RobertHawkins Ай бұрын

As he talked about the oils I could her Dr. Esselstyn in my head saying “no oil!”

@PlantChompers Ай бұрын

Me too.

@RobertHawkins Ай бұрын

@@PlantChompers I rem we ber seeing a interview that had both Dr Ornish and Dr. Esselstyn and they disagreed with each other(civilly of course) and Dean looks at the interviewer and said yes we disagree but it is on 1%, the other 99% we agree on, that's the message!

@josephsgroi4474 Ай бұрын

The first reason I stopped eating meat was the undeniable cruelty of animal husbandry, the second reason was the undeniable and very significant effect on global warming, third was how illogical it is to feed an animal for months and years only to be consumed in minutes, the last was health. So happy I found this channel, it is the only source I rely on for nutrition.

@longevitycoach1573 Ай бұрын

Let’s have a debate and find out who is the liar.

@tanyasydney2235 Ай бұрын

@@longevitycoach1573 Go away!

@frunikol Ай бұрын

@@longevitycoach1573so you believe that the carnivore would win 🤔😂. Not a chance. Just watch all of the videos on this channel. There is science behind and not just anecdotes and misinformation....

@rojodiver3344 Ай бұрын

If the animals weren't eaten (in minutes) then they wouldn't have lived at all. Have you ever done a thought experiment where you could speak to the entirety of cow-kind and say "would you rather all be born and die to be eaten, or never be born at all?" Oblivion is pretty cold.

@frunikol Ай бұрын

@@rojodiver3344oh my god. You cannot call that a life how the cows live, or any of the animals killed for food. As a mother I would never want to bring children into the world only to know they will be food and I would have to live on until I don't make enough milk or can't get pregnant anymore only tik become some bad burger....

@paulasanders1078 Ай бұрын

This is very self-centered, but I want to ask anyway. I have taken atorvastatin for four years. Started after a heart attack with low LDL cholesterol. The LDL has been going up every time it was tested. Has it helped me any? Should I be taking it? What harm in stopping now?

@PlantChompers Ай бұрын

Oh wow, that's a hard question above my pay grade. Can you talk to the doctor who prescribed it?

@paulasanders1078 Ай бұрын

@@PlantChompers Thanks for replying.

@limitisillusion7 Ай бұрын

@@paulasanders1078 Ask your doctor about nutritional and exercise changes that could replace the need for the statin. They may have you get blood work done more often. It is probably possible to lower your LDL through lifestyle changes.

@11235Aodh Ай бұрын

I'd put this before dr. John Mc Dougall, he does consult on his KZfaq page every Sunday 5 pm pacific time. Make sure to put ??? in front and behind your question so Heather can pick your question quicker. Good luck, i look forward to seeing the answer :).

@paulasanders1078 Ай бұрын

@@limitisillusion7 Thanks for your reply. I have had blood work done many times during the four years. That is how I know LDL has been going up every time it was tested. I have discussed it with my primary care physician and the cardiologist. Neither of them has any explanation or advice. That is why I asked here.

@Physionic Ай бұрын

This was wonderful - thank you. Loved hearing the history, especially Nixon’s intervention to save the study.

@PlantChompers Ай бұрын

Thanks. I wondered if anyone would care about that!

@kentroskelley1389 Ай бұрын

One of the push backs suggested Plant Chompers try and contact Dr Chaffee for clarification, but first I’d like to know if Dr Chaffee tried to contact Framingham Heart Study for clarification.

@RobertWinter2 Ай бұрын

Can you do a video on the metabolic vulnerability index (MVX)? I learned of it recently and I'm wondering if it's a better predictor than just looking at LDL alone.

@BartBVanBockstaele Ай бұрын

Lovely interview. A great reminder that science is about facts, and that whether we like it or not, reality is what the facts are, not what we would prefer it to be. And yes, diet alone can do wonders. The price to pay is that no one wants to even contemplate eating with me. But, my life is **my** life, not theirs. And... I enjoy my diet, even if I only spend a few minutes in the kitchen every day. The Framingham study can be credited with part of that improvement of my life. I hope they will go on, just as Plant Chompers!

@bonsummers2657 Ай бұрын

Results are what matter. That's why many people stick with animal based. Different people, different dietary optimums.

@BartBVanBockstaele Ай бұрын

@@bonsummers2657 I would suggest that lack of knowledge about them is what makes people **think** that plant-based diets are less good. People have short memories and don't seem to know how little animal products our recent ancestors actually ate, except for the well-to-do and they happen to have been the ones suffering most from fatness. Fatness isn't the only problem, but it is the most visible thing. Lack of knowledge does not make a dietary pattern less good, but leads to wrongful application and interpretation. And thàt may lead to a wrongful dietary pattern.

@ScottPeterson-hm6vq Ай бұрын

I am so glad that I can across this video in my KZfaq search. I am astounded that so many MDs are advocating this Keto and sometimes more extreme carnivore diet. What is the science behind all this meat eating and zero carb stuff??? The glucose pathway....the fructose pathway???? I certainly agree that we all need to cut almost all refined carbohydrates and eat things that are more nutritious.....but cutting out entire groups sound extreme to me. Could you comment on recent studies on fructose, oxalate, and plant toxins?????? How should we eat????? My dad is getting really mad now days.....he said that medicine is crock......today egg is bad.....tomorrow bread is bad. What can I eat???? Is there anything not poisonous on earth anymore????

@Fearzero Ай бұрын

In randomized controlled outcome studies if the replacement for saturated fats isn't specified in the study then there was no difference in heart disease metrics (because people likely replaced the saturated fats with processed foods containing saturated or trans fats). All the pro saturated fat youtubers and docs latch onto these studies to confirm their bias. But if PUFAs (polyunsaturated fats) were specified as the replacement then heart disease difference was obvious. Saturated fats caused heart disease vs polyunsaturated fats which have a protective effect. So ya I would bet my life that any studies showing saturated fats had no effect on heart disease rates that the replacement for those fats were not specified. I can take a pack a day smoker and add 5 more cigarettes to his daily habit and show no extra mortality from smoking them. Does that mean smoking is safe and doesn't cause health problems? No, if you take someone that doesn't smoke and have them smoke 5 cigs a day then it would definitely show an effect. I hope you can understand the logic here and why studies showing saturated fats to be harmless are flawed studies.

@pluto4D Ай бұрын

Maybe you care to explain how over a hundred years ago that degenerative diseases like the first heart blockage case was in 1912 in the U.S. This was at a time when people consumed mainly animal fats. It was in the early 1900s that the early soy-based margarines were on the market followed by the cheaper cotton seed oils. Sometime afterwards animals were given commercial feeds of cheap fattening rubbish soy corn grains seeds. In particular pigs and chickens (inc egg yolks) started to accumulate very high levels of linoleic acid. These animal fats became in fact highly unsaturated and the omega 6 fat content can be well over a third. Even ruminant animals such as cows can produce around 30% linoleic acid of their fat if from intense feedlots. The "heart healthy" artificial trans fat margarine laden margarine lie was sold to the public over many generations which ended up destroying millions of people's lives and bringing early death for many. Toxic seed oils lower metabolism suppress the immunity promote inflammation release aldehydes and acrylamides. Oxysterols are formed from dehydrated cheese and egg powders (and dried fatty fish) which emanate from the polyunsaturated fat component which are often found in industrial foods creating lipid peroxidation. Up to the early 1900s most Western countries consumed various 😅plant foods dairy eggs meat and mainly animal fats that were highly saturated and monounsaturated, but very low in polyunsaturated fats. Degenerative diseases such as cancer heart and autoimmune diseases were no higher than 3% It was Infectious diseases and the high rates of child mortality that shortened people's lives back then in the pre antibiotic age. Btw mother's milk is naturally full of cholesterol saturated fat and a good measure of lactose. It is the combination of high pufa foods that promote the Randle Cycle in which cellular glucose oxidation can be inhibited these free fatty acids that increasingly get stored in our fat tissues as we age. Ref: Fred Kummerow; lipids scientist and Ray Peat PhD. Over the past 2 decades I have seen two documentaries on the findings of the Farmington Heart Study which interviewed the researchers scientists. The final analysis was that a higher cholesterol was good for longevity outcomes provided there were no other prior heart cardiovascular or serious metabolic issues

@rickardmagnusson4544 Ай бұрын

Thank you for this. Precise. Well prepared. Open questions. Nice flow. I thank you

@vince1229 Ай бұрын

If humans are vegetarians why are there undigested vegetables in the toilet but all animal products have been completely assimilated? Ask someone with a colostomy bag.

@roligue Ай бұрын

Nonsense

@hansvanderwaal4684 Ай бұрын

The won't as. As then it will turn out they are wrong and they will lose their religion

@joanbischoff5972 Ай бұрын

S M H. Just keep telling yourself what you want to hear, okay? 😉

@kayegooey7454 Ай бұрын

That's indigestible fibre. Also, people that don't chew food properly swallow large chunks of food, i.e., carrots and other hard vegetables and viola. Chunks in the bowl.

@GordonPavilion Ай бұрын

The carnivore diet (also called a zero carb diet) is a high-protein fad diet in which only animal products such as meat, eggs, and dairy are consumed. The carnivore diet is associated with pseudoscientific health claims. The Carnivore Diet, is nothing but a TikTok, KZfaq and Facebook Food Fad. It’s a diet where people are trying to “talk-it-right”…magical thinking.

@flipofaswitch1713 Ай бұрын

Great interview. Very captivating to learn about Framingham’s inner workings and past. Thank you. I realize people like quick fixes, conspiracy, and doubt, but I wish so many people weren’t so easily misled. I know really intelligent people that are easily swayed without much effort. Oceanfront property in Arizona.

@xflyingtiger Ай бұрын

The problem with advocating a Mediterranean diet is that there are a dozen or more different Mediterranean diets. The advice must be more specific.

@xmonikerhotmailcom Ай бұрын

Blue zone diet is more precise.

@limitisillusion7 Ай бұрын

Not really. The tenants of a Mediterranean diet are fairly broad, and they all show success. It's also not an elimination diet, it's just a diet that guides you toward a larger quantity and diversity of plant-based whole foods, and minimal processed food.

@Ampe96 Ай бұрын

@@limitisillusion7 that's not mediterranean, the mediterranean diet was made up and it's not based on a real diet. i'm from there

@OatmealTheCrazy Ай бұрын

In pop culture, yes, but in medical literature, no

@limitisillusion7 Ай бұрын

@@Ampe96 lol... "The Mediterranean diet" has transcended a "Mediterranean" diet. It's not a geographical diet anymore, nor does the entire Mediterranean region share the same diet. The diet is, again, more about a prioritization and diversity of plant-based whole food and minimal processed food, in addition to an emphasis on fish above red meat.

@crazy_dima Ай бұрын

Can add some anecdotes from Russia about my grandad constantly eating bread with cheese and butter (I guess we are close to Finland here). He died of his 4th heart attack at the age of 64. He had incredible physical health from serving most of his life in the military but I guess LDL doesn't much care :/

@PlantChompers Ай бұрын

😞

@scottharrison5734 Ай бұрын

Lot of rural country regions are on animal based diets live longest want about french highest saturated fat intake in world lowest rate of heart diesea in world know handful people lived to ninetys And lady was 102 eat meat everyday dount believe vegan diet best for planet or kids know my family tree meat based I eat some plants heart attacks and strokes dount run in my family tree we need regentaive animals and crops earth to restore everything Back

@tamcon72 Ай бұрын

@@scottharrison5734 These are not hard statistics, but anecdotes, and your comment is barely coherent, besides.

@PlantChompers Ай бұрын

@scottharrison5734 I've mentioned in other episodes that we have hard data to show French in the north of France, who eat a lot of meat and dairy, have 5 years lower life expectancy and much higher heart attack rates than French who live in the south and eat fish and vegetables.

@infinitum5425 Ай бұрын

Are you saying your grandad only ate bread & cheese for 64 years ????? And bread ? WHEAT from effectivley dried grass! How much did he drink , did he smoke , did he take medicines , how much other processed food did he eat , how were the pollution levels where he lived, did he work with dangerous chemicals how active was he , blah blah . Trying to blame it on cheese is the height of stupidity!!

@afonsodealbuquerque4115 Ай бұрын

Thank you Chris this was brilliant. My girlfriend has one complaint, since I’ve started to watch your videos the amount of books I’m buying has increased a lot! Now I’m reading Ungar “Evolution’s Bite”. Love your suggestions

@PlantChompers Ай бұрын

Thanks! Oh, Ungar is great. Did you watch his TEDx talk?

@afonsodealbuquerque4115 Ай бұрын

I did! It was like a preview to the book. Thanks again

@carinaekstrom1 Ай бұрын

Not omnivore teeth. Cooked and raw plant food frugivorous herbivores. Everything in our anatomy and digestive system speaks against animal foods.

@gregorymcmahan3914 Ай бұрын

Good one, Chris. Evidence-based, backed up with sources (and peer-reviewed, no less). Those randomized-controlled trials with placebos to study hypertension really shocked me. Lifestyle modification does work- provided you can get on meds and get your BP down to the Hypertension Stage One or the Elevated range. Excellent work as always, Chris. Please do keep 'em coming!

@rbphilip Ай бұрын

Another fantastic plantchompers video! Thanks for working so hard on these. In the comments on your PFAS video you mentioned to me that you were possibly going to have some foods you buy tested. Any chance that happened?

@PlantChompers Ай бұрын

Thanks! I contacted a bunch of food testing companies but so far I've only found ones who do it in large quantities for food companies. 😵‍💫

@TangoMasterclass Ай бұрын

Thanks, super interesting! I would recommend to listen to Dr. Daniel Levy at 1,25 or 1,5 speed, to make it sound more natural.

@thomas6502 Ай бұрын

Thanks Chris et al! This window into the Framingham study is fascinating. We really love your channel and appreciate the work you put in. Please keep it up sir!

@jac6727 Ай бұрын

CHRIS!!! It’d be so great if you got to talk to Gary Null. I’ve been listening to him on the radio since the mid 90’s. He’s so well researched in food and nutrition studies, deeply ethical about his work in reporting things to the public as well as a lifelong vegan and animal rights advocate. A talk between you two would be phenomenal!🙏🏻

@rrrlasse2 Ай бұрын

In the table at 1:51 it shows just a row of all 0 for non-smokers. What does that mean? Does it mean that cholesterol has no effect for non-smokers? Are there more cofounders like BMI?

@PlantChompers Ай бұрын

That line is just referring to the risk associated with smoking, so since there isn't any smoking, that particular line reads zeros. The cholesterol risk lines are above.

@jonbarlow3542 Ай бұрын

WOW, soooooo informative! This compilation of information makes this one video, in my opinion, essential to watch, and should be part of the school curriculum, every where!!! I stayed absolutely glued to the screen! Thank you PC, excellent work!!!

@SableRain Ай бұрын

What you said at 54:03, along with your dead pan look, had me in stitches. 🤣 Seriously though, I am so grateful to you for interviewing Dr. Levy along with so many other amazing scientists. You make a huge difference in the lives of my family of four. Thank you! 🙂

@PlantChompers Ай бұрын

Hahaha, I was trying to be respectful but I simply couldn't hide my shock about that claim. 🫣

@Starship_X Ай бұрын

Great video. Please keep calling out the charlatans. You are doing a service to humanity, literally.

@johnnypineapple4140 Ай бұрын

Remember to get your covid vaccine boosters!!

@Themrine2013 Ай бұрын

The only "charlatans" are stupid fucks like this guy and you people who are sheep

@rogerweigel7925 Ай бұрын

Please let me know who these charlatans are so I can steer clear of them.

@davidgallefoss1254 Ай бұрын

Thank you for all of this elaborate content. It is very effective, even for me in Norway. You are a gift to humanity Chris.

@Grero Ай бұрын

41:14, y-axis... "per 1000 person-years"... what does that actually mean? How many months and years of life lost person is that? For Finland, is it 18/1000? That's like a week?

@selkiema Ай бұрын

Thank you so much for this video, Chris- marvelous interview! I Your work in putting all your garnered information together on KZfaqs into such a usable format is absolutely priceless. I am sending this one off to some of my more recalcitrant friends and family, post haste. You are a "Prince Among Men," in my estimation. Love to you and yours!

@040681nick Ай бұрын

Fantastic information Chris! Lotasalove from Norway😊❤️

@chanwaileong9880 Ай бұрын

Another great interview and wonderful content. Can't express enough my appreciation for your dedication to debunking those who villify eating mostly plants. If l were in your shoes, l would have buckled under their onslaught long ago. Keep it up and thank you.

@PlantChompers Ай бұрын

Thank you. It's not my favorite thing to do... 🫣 I much prefer interviewing the greats, like Daniel Levy.

@znojnyj Ай бұрын

Idk if fish "could be beneficial" the thing is it smells fishy in many ways compared to real foods after you've been off the junk for a while Same thing goes for the oil - you don't crave it after you've been off it and if I eat salad containing oil for logistical reasons I don't perceive it as tastier due to the oil xd Fruits are legit the tastiest food there is and you can't tell me otherwise

@ade1963 Ай бұрын

Yet again, top-rate content. Thank you

@veganfortheanimals6994 Ай бұрын

The Beef Industry Digital Command Center is out in full force in the comments, as expected....

@OakwiseBecoming Ай бұрын

Sure must be a lot of people who are going by their own healing experiences instead of agenda-funded studies. What complete morons. Always listen to experts instead of what you can see, hear, think, and feel for yourself. We are only lowly peasants, after all. How dare any of us try something without being told by an expert that it would work. Worse yet, how dare we believe it worked by the results that we see and feel ourselves when our direct experience contradicts expert scientific data!! Unbelievable!!

@nickyoung798 Ай бұрын

Great interview, 31:38 looking forward to this one as well! Any chance you two discussed in depth his stance on starchy vegetables?

@chuckkolb1270 Ай бұрын

I eagerly await postings by Plant Chompers. Science, research, FACTS: so refreshing.

@jhunt5578 Ай бұрын

These videos are a breath of fresh air. So much misinformation on KZfaq. Seeing the scientists speak about their work is fantastic content. Thank you for your hard work Chris.

@nataliegist2014 Ай бұрын

I double dog dare you to go on carnivore for one month and then get back to me on whether this is a wonderful video or not.

@jhunt5578 Ай бұрын

@@nataliegist2014 😂 How old are you?

@happyhealthylife4ever Ай бұрын

Awesome video! Thanks a lot!

@k.h.6991 Ай бұрын

I would like to hear more about the difference between primary and secondary causes of heart disease. This guest touched on it briefly. Does it mean that if you have low LDL cholesterol levels, you don't have to worry about high triglycerides (at least for heart disease)?

@PlantChompers Ай бұрын

My understanding is both high triglycerides and high LDL are both independent risk factors, and hence the ApoB test is more reliable for cholesterol than LDL alone, because it includes triglycerides.

@GlennMcGrewII Ай бұрын

Chris, I wish you'd asked him about the impact of salt on atherosclerosis. To whit: salt>blood stream>damages endothelial cells>system sends out LDLs? to bandage the damage and the process has begun. If one doesn't stop overconsuming salt, it will not only get worse, but other parts of the CV system will also be affected. Another thing I'd love to see is a video on protein isolates - both animal and plant. I have possible LAE after consuming a plant-based protein isolate beverage called Natreve Mooless. The first time I tried for a month, my blood pressure went up. I was doing a double dose per day, mixed with soy milk. When I stopped, my blood pressure dropped. After a month or so, I did it again much to my regret, and this time Is started experiencing pain on the left side of my heart and even in the front of my armpit. An EKG suggested LAE, and I'll have a CT angiogram in a couple weeks. I wore one of those heart meters on my sternum for a week but, since I was careful with my diet, they got nothing conclusive (I also have arrhythmia and twinges to the right of my heart). My doctor says that, AFAHK, there is only one blockage and it is on the left side. Oh joy. Family history and an insufficiently healthful diet are catching up to me - although my diet is much better than the average American.

@veganfortheanimals6994 Ай бұрын

I just got a vibe that one of your videos was going to pop up, 5 minutes later, here it is, yay! Have to watch later though, meeting someone for a run....

@longevitycoach1573 Ай бұрын

Let’s have a debate and find out who is the liar.

@SCwirlify Ай бұрын

It is interesting to compare "Carnivore diet" vs "Vegan diet" on google trends over the last 5 years. Especially for KZfaq.

@jd01665 4 күн бұрын

That's crazy. Apparently Framingham didn't study this. That trend is gonna break through the firmament at this rate... Vegan diet looks like it went on a death march. I'm fine with that anyhow. Cows are welcome to the plants for all I care. Wish we had more cows on the land and less tractors and pesticides. Seems more healthy to eat beef from a cow that got to live a normal life on the field and raise babies and considering that carbs are non-essential for human diets, it just makes sense to leave the plants for the animals since bacteria in the ruminant animals love to munch on the sugars. They are the real plant chompers. Humans will never compete and it seems that these studies might be missing a quality of life component. A person in pain that can resolve it without medication and live comfortably is always going to end up eating whatever stops the pain. Doesn't matter if they get an extra 30 years of life with rotten teeth, diabetes, and autoimmune problems if they can have 60 that are good and die of a heart attack, so be it. But since we have so few carnivores (real ones like us that are seriously 100% grass fed, open farm, beef eaters) it may take some time before the longevity stats can be updated and also to give it enough time to consider what interventions are necessary for a carnivore that might not be necessary for a plant chomper in terms of optimizing health. Very important to study both sides and do quality comparisons and if that trend shown on Google is any indication, carnivore didn't exist before 2018, whereas Vegan has been in the works for at least 14 years longer and if we consider all the government, drug companies, and food companies trying to sell us plant based diets, we are talking about 120 years at least of one-sided propaganda. Going back to why people switch to carnivore: because they are miserable on plants. Go figure. If plants worked, they wouldn't even consider beef. Should be obvious, is it not?

@jeffreywp Ай бұрын

Another great interview, Chris. I appreciate your dedication to hearing different voices in the conversation but going to the source (either data or a scientist) to fact check the claims. As always, your humor is refreshing! Looking forward to your next video.

@gribbler1695 Ай бұрын

Here is one of those studies looking at the Framingham data. 'It is concluded that within the range of egg intake of this population differences in egg consumption were unrelated to blood cholesterol level or to coronary heart disease incidence.' Ref: Eggs, serum cholesterol, and coronary heart disease ( Am J Clin Nutr. 1982 Oct)

@CarnivoreTalk Ай бұрын

I thoroughly enjoy your presentation style. I come here to maintain a balanced viewpoint.

@jogobella77 Ай бұрын

Shoutout from Slovakia! 🙂 An absolute gem of a channel and a gem of a person (as in Chris). Would pay to watch, if I had to.

@PlantChompers Ай бұрын

Thanks! I pay to do it. 😁

@karahsekir5494 Ай бұрын

Another shoutout from Slovakia! This is one of the best channels on KZfaq!

@basiltiffani8850 Ай бұрын

My own bias: anytime I see a "carnivore" md, I assume they don't know what they're talking about about anything. So far that's proven to be a gold assumption.

@immodsr9348 Ай бұрын

why, have you tried eating carnivore? Been eating wfpb vegan for 6 years and felt good but got overly skinny. Tried carnivore for 4 months and feeling even better. A wrist i had problems with started getting stronger after a few days and are now "as new". Chaffee overdramatize the effect of eating plants - not all "carnivore" doctors do...

@johnnypineapple4140 Ай бұрын

Remember to get your covid vaccine boosters!!

@krishnaveganathar Ай бұрын

@@immodsr9348vegan means “for the animals”.

@basiltiffani8850 Ай бұрын

@@immodsr9348 no, and never will because thousands of pages of data very clearly tell us animals products aren't healthy, and especially not compared to whole vegetables. I do, however, have a colleague who talks like you. Went carnivore, said he felt great. About a year later found out he was on the verge of a massive heart attack due to blocked arteries. Had a quadruple bypass. Now he eats whole food plant based and his cholesterol and triglycerides are better than it's ever been.And he feels great and is actually healthy. Eat whatever you want, though.

@carinaekstrom1 Ай бұрын

@@immodsr9348 Why don't you just eat more nuts or something? Obviously you wont heal well when you are starving yourself. Now you have a good wrist but risk heart disease, cancer, etc. instead.

@Mike-du1dc Ай бұрын

Excellent follow up! Thank You! You know about the healthiest diet I believe my wife & I follow that now but I will say/share with others it takes a minute for your taste to also change & once there things that are now delicious to us may seem bland to others 😉

@smonster Ай бұрын

Hey Chris, Unrelated to this video but I saw you mentioning that you enjoy fermented foods like Kimchi. I also love kimchi and prepare it in the SOS-free way. Lots of people use salt for their kimchi, but this does rev up gastric cancers. Do you prepare your kimchi yourself? Would you like to do a video about fermented foods and show us how you prepare it? I am really curious and would love to know!

@John-xk2ud Ай бұрын

Dr. Daniel Levy said he has not eaten beef for personal reasons in 40 years. Earlier he said he has worked at Framingham for 40 years. Connection?

@PlantChompers Ай бұрын

I was surprised about how he kinda chickened out on that answer, so to speak. 🤷‍♂️

@scotty8307 Ай бұрын

Problem with olive oil is where do you find good quality olive oil - doesn’t exist on the American shelves ….

@damiku-8866 Ай бұрын

It exists. Unfortunately there's not many good ways of distinguishing it from the rest. But well-known reputable companies who put harvest dates and other verifiable info on the back of the bottle can generally be relied upon.

@PlantBasedPietro Ай бұрын

I love your last statement at the end of the video!!!! Supply the data for that 15,000 calorie intake that caused 23lbs of weight loss. :) I would love to see that as well. :)

@silvertoothpick Ай бұрын

That was yet another very pleasurable hour spent in the company of smart people who we can all learn from. I love this channel. It must get disheartening for you sometimes to have to deal with an army of dangerous idiots who wage a constant war on objective reality. That guy Anthony Chaffee’s grotesque formula is to profit by making other people sick. Anyway, thanks for this fascinating insight into the gift to humanity that is the Framingham Study. Your efforts will no doubt remind people how to live well, be healthy and how not to sleepwalk our way into heart disease. But more importantly, it looks like you have a new dog. I saw from a previous video that your last dog sadly passed. Wishing you many happy and healthy adventures with Layla. Yay for Layla!

@veganfortheanimals6994 Ай бұрын

"Carnivore" proponents remind me of flat-earthers...

@stevesmiff7944 Ай бұрын

I'm not seeing it. Flat earthers can actually point to something that looks true (even though I believe for the majority of them, they're FEs "because bible") Outside of the small number of carnivore dieters helped by excluding some unidentified allergy, the only reason to be carnivore is taste preference. flat earhers: argument from "looks like the truth" carnis: argument from "tastes good"

@GBOAC Ай бұрын

Seed oil theorists too

@4124V4TA-SNPCA-x Ай бұрын

@@GBOAC But how can they not be? Even the name is RAPEseed!!!1!4!! And seeds in itself! Didn't you know? Pepper and mustard and walnut kills you! Haven't you read it seem any adaptation of "Day of the Triffids"?!?!?? That's another proof. Or "The thing from another world"? Carrots are here to kill and suck out all your blood!!! / 😅😂

@LIFTINGTHEVEIL Ай бұрын

They ARE flat earthers. Im not even kidding. I debate these people all day long on my channels. They are DENIERS THROUGH AND THROUGH. They are pathogen deniers. they believe FLAT EARTH, DINOSAURS ARE FAKE, SPACE IS FAKE, MOUNTAINS ARE GIANT TREE STUMPS, TARTARIAN MUDFLOODS WIPED OUT THE GIANTS, etc etc e

@notyourdad Ай бұрын

I'm sure all the thousands (millions?) of people who have regained their health from switching to carnivore are absolutely devastated to hear what you think.

@nizahe2731 Ай бұрын

Chris! Exceptional work, as always. I'm so grateful that we have you and your commitment to spreading scientific understanding. I truly hope the era of this rampant misinformation will end... Thank you. It was a pleasure to watch every second of this and former videos.

@cheesenutpea Ай бұрын

This is simply amazing. Keep up the good work.

@Arugula100 Ай бұрын

Don't know why the sound is breaking out and the speech flow is choppy. Is it a problem on your side?

@Alex-ky4cd Ай бұрын

It's fine for me

@pavolhorvath7850 Ай бұрын

This interview is absolutely phenomenal. Very informative, and very moving. I love it!

@JasonForouhar Ай бұрын

don't give trolls like that guy the time of day, spinach and other veggies are poisonous ?!?!

@JohnMoseley Ай бұрын

To introduce a little nuance, in a recent Plant Chompers video, Dr. Greger said that while one should eat dark green leafy vegetables daily, spinach is unsuitable for such regular consumption. I think his point was, though it's high in iron, it can also inhibit iron uptake. No such problems with things like kale, chard, watercress, broccoli leaves. I like the last of those far better than spinach and can't understand why it's not generally sold in food shops. Similar to cavallo nero, but without the bitterness. More nutritious than broccoli florets.