I love pixar villains and it was finally time to make one about them specifically.
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@SiriusGalilei5 ай бұрын
Another thing to note that Hector mentions every year on Dios Los Muertos, Ernesto doesn’t actually leave the land of the dead, instead choosing to stay and throwing a party and having a concert at the end of the night. Add to the fact that his entire mansion is a tribute to himself, playing scenes from his movies and other things. It subtly shows that Ernesto only cares about himself, that he doesn’t visit loved ones for the the holiday because the only person he cares for is himself. Granted when watching it the first time, I could tell Hector was going to be Miguel’s real ancestor, but the subtle storytelling is still a credit to Pixar and their talent.
@hunterolaughlin5 ай бұрын
Man, Ernesto’s mansion is definitely the embodiment of an egomaniac.
@NinthShinigami5 ай бұрын
Fr Fr, this is some of Pixar’s best imo. The writing of Coco is superb 🔥
@lahlybird8955 ай бұрын
Alternatively the fact that he doesn't visit the land of the living might mean that he can't. Sure some people admired and respected him and left him offerings and such, but the admiration of fans who do not personally know you if not the same thing as love. In a day specifically dedicated to family and loved ones it's possible nobody bothers with him, Is he even ON any ofrendas to give him the capability of crossing over in the first place. He killed the one person he had a genuine connection with I doubt anybody else is putting his photo on the list of the altar of photos of people that actually love and care about. People more for him yes but in the way you would mourn a celebrity not the way you would mourn a family member. And what the photo of a fanboy even count since Hector says that it needs to be by somebody who actually has real memories of you and who knew you while you in life. Miguel might have loved his music but I highly doubt that Miguel knew him so his altar probably wouldn't even count. you are wrong but he's fully self-centered but if he's right and most of the stuff there is stuff that was left for him as some kind of admiration sacrifice or whatever it makes sense and if he has nobody to go back to why would he cross over when he could just enjoy the fact that he has a bunch of stuff and a whole place set up for him to be himself and do the one thing that he cared about in life doing music for people performing that was the one thing that he cared about while he was alive of course it would be the one thing he would continue to care about after he died. He literally has nothing else.
@SiriusGalilei5 ай бұрын
@@lahlybird895 you might be right that he can’t go back to the living world on that, I will give you that. I just think that even if he had the ability to visit the living world, he would choose not to. He’s a narcissist who loves himself so much that every year on the day of the dead he throws a big party and has a big show at sunrise, all of it to fill up his ego. He might not be able to go to the living world as there might not be anyone who has passed on the memory of him, but even if he could go to the living world, I don’t think he would choose to. For me it’s not a matter of whether he can, but whether he would want to. He’s too self-centered and narcissistic to care for anyone but himself. But I like your theory and it sounds interesting.
@naomigreen97495 ай бұрын
Part of Coco's charm is that even if you see the twist coming, it doesn't ruin the movie for you. The real twist was the purpose of the song, anyway. And that wasn't just a twist for the sake of a twist, it had a deep meaning that gave the movie its entire heart.
@wobbmin37055 ай бұрын
One thing to note is that, besides the publicity, the reason Ernesto just accepted that Miguel was his grandson was probably because, being as famous and selfish as he is, he’s definitely the kind of person to have kids he doesn’t know about.
@RHKang-hl3ps5 ай бұрын
I watched this movie so many times and I always just assumed that was the case. It just seemed fitting for his character. He had this charismatic personality on the outside but selfish on the inside.
@silverstarlightproductions12924 ай бұрын
Yeah, on multiple rewatches, I imagine him thinking: which one of those dancers did I knock up? 😂
@BrightWulph4 ай бұрын
This was my thought too, Ernesto definitely would have heirs in the living world who either don't know or do but either don't care or weren't made legitimate so they don't have access to his estate.
@Joe-rz3fd3 ай бұрын
Plus, how many people live on earth long enough to meet their great-great-grandkids? Three generations sometimes, but four? That's usually too many.
@BrightWulph3 ай бұрын
@Joe-rz3fd Exactly, my great-grandmother lived to be 102. She got to meet the 3rd generation of her grandkids before passing away.
@ZelinkSupporter5 ай бұрын
They say “don’t meet your heroes” and Ernesto is a prime example of why
@racheljackson44284 ай бұрын
Amen.
@speakeroftruth57393 ай бұрын
Coco met his hero on his way to meet Ernesto
@user-jg4pr7gx4jАй бұрын
what your hero is you grandpa
@hannahstarinieri13515 ай бұрын
What I love about him is that he’s a villain that can actually happen in real life. Murdering a friend and stealing his ideas is something that has probably happened. It’s an incredibly evil and raw depiction of evil
@IDontLikeHandIes3 ай бұрын
It most likely already happened
@Mathivich29 күн бұрын
That makes him realistic.
@TiffanyN-sx8cs28 күн бұрын
Nah, it already happened. Instead of ideas, someone murdered a friend to steal a baby.
@Rose-xm4og4 ай бұрын
It also makes it even darker when you realize that if hector did not meet Miguel, coco would’ve died and he would’ve been ultimately forgotten. It’s such a tragic thought that he was murdered and forgotten by his family because he was shunned, and the only person that remembers him has Alzheimer’s. It was also his last chance to cross the marigold bridge, so it was truly beautiful that he met his great, great grandson and reunited with his family.
@DoloresLehmann4 ай бұрын
That's why Dante is trying to pull Miguel towards Hector all the time; being Miguel's spirit guide, he knew he had to bring them together.
@Joe-rz3fd4 ай бұрын
I love the ending where Miguel stimulates Coco's mind through music she knew from childhood. You know why? Because it actually works. I know that because I had my mind stimulated after a traumatic brain injury through music I knew from childhood. VeggieTales songs to be exact.
@S0meb0dy728Ай бұрын
@@Joe-rz3fdAre you fine now?
@sailorearth20075 ай бұрын
Another clue is the petal Ernesto holds never glows when he starts to give his blessing like it does when Miguel’s family gives theirs…also Hector has a gold tooth like the guitar
@anonymoose67032 ай бұрын
I love the detail with the petal, because it should be a dead giveaway, but it then distracts you from it by having Hector interrupt
@hunterolaughlin5 ай бұрын
Ironically, the more the living tries to forget Ernesto, the more he’s going to be remembered, but no longer as “the greatest musician of all time”, but now as the murderer and fraud that he secretly was. Also, his albums and films still exist too, so just forgetting him isn’t going to erase any evidence of his existence back in the living with those albums and films and merchandise. So he’s basically trapped forever in the Land of the Dead being unable to cross the Marigold bridge since none of his fans will put his photo on any of their ofrendas and being unable to succumb to the Final Death since he’s now an infamous murderer with the same reputation as Charles Manson, John Wilkes Booth and Adolf Hitler.
@angeldariogaribaydelatorre63955 ай бұрын
( spanish ) Cómo diría raiden: " hay destinos peores que la muerte... "
@heyitsmira174 ай бұрын
I'm 100% sure there'd still be Ernesto fans out there willing to make offerings with his pics and defend him. Some ppl have no morals, all those ppl you mentioned have fans TODAY
@hunterolaughlin4 ай бұрын
@@heyitsmira17 Oh… God. 🤦♂️
@DoloresLehmann4 ай бұрын
On the other hand, Ernesto never seemed to care to cross the Marigold bridge when he was still in high regard, except maybe to collect his fan's gifts that were piling up in his mansion. He was basically already alone all the time.
@Joe-rz3fd4 ай бұрын
Not to mention: - He can't go back to his old mansion because the guards wouldn't let him in. All those offerings will either go to waste or to someone else. - He will be shamed wherever he does decide to live, and he can't even live with the community of rejects that Hector lived with because... well, they all hate him now! - This all assuming he can even get out from under the bell, where he is currently trapped. He probably can't lift it on his own, he probably can't yell for help, and even if he could, who would actually help him now that everybody knows who he really is?
@anna592465 ай бұрын
I think the thing that makes Ernesto good twist villain is the fact that his reveal as a villain doesn't change his character and all what we knew about him before he turned out to be murderer still make sense and still works. Because one of the main problem with twist villains is that usually we get them pretending to be good guy whole movie but in the end revealing the fact that the whole time they were completely different person, so everything we knew about this character was just lie. But with Ernesto it's different. He remains the same character through all story, from the moment he seemed to be a famous musician, good role model, Miguel's grandfather and etc, to the moment he turned out to be narcissistic cruel man, who killed his best friend and was ready to kill his grandson just to become and remain popular. His big reveal doesn't change the person he is, it changes the way we look at him
@NinthShinigami5 ай бұрын
I remember before watching the film, I had guessed Hector was related to Miguel and not Ernesto. Saw it coming miles away… but I still felt a big impact. How? Because they cared about writing the reveal to make sense, make it feel like a betrayal not just for Miguel but for us as the audience, and building it up little by little. Ernesto is even presented as a thematic contrast to what Miguel learns throughout the film and Hector already knew. Ernesto only caring about seizing his moment left him rotten, alone, and in the end forgotten. Hector on the other hand got his family back and was remembered, cause he knew family was what mattered most. The people who cherish and love others will forever be immortalized and remembered, and those only caring for themselves and material things like fame and fortune are forgotten. That’s quality writing right there imo, especially for an antagonist 👍
@TeganRhodes5 ай бұрын
That is similar to my reaction. I initially saw a poster with Miguel and Hector on it. I assumed, “shabby skeleton and little kid? Day of the dead motif? This has to be a story about a romp through the afterlife with an ancestor.” I got super excited for the movie. When I saw the trailer later and saw they were calling the Ernesto the kid’s ancestor, I got disappointed and didn’t watch it for years. Later, through internet pop culture osmosis, I learned I was originally correct in assuming Hector was the ancestor. It’s now my favorite movie. I had a grandfather who would sing to me when I was a little kid (Waylon Jennings “Amanda”) and he passed away when I was young, and I first saw the movie a few months before my grandma passed away. Coco speaks to me on so many levels.
@wingedyaga29145 ай бұрын
It also helps that the ancestor thing comes after it's revealed what Ernesto did to Hector. That twist was basically a red herring.
@demo28235 ай бұрын
I usually spot this kind of twist but I didn't suspect Hector because 1) he looked broader in the photo and 2) the way he was dressed, I thought he was a deliberate Tom Sawyer style character.
@hardcandy98804 ай бұрын
No, Ernesto was not forgotten and will probably be never be forgotten for a looong time. He is a celebrity, eveb when people found out his true colors and hated him, they are still in their memories. So he wont fade away, but he will be stuck in that bell.
@tommyl.dayandtherunaways820Ай бұрын
It’s doubtful Ernesto will ever be forgotten, and honestly, his reputation probably won’t even take much of a hit. Imagine if today, some kid said that his great grandfather was murdered by Elvis, with no evidence. How many fans do you think Elvis would lose? We don’t even have to imagine a hypothetical, we have a real life example. Think of all the allegations made against Michael Jackson. There’s a lot more evidence for what he did than for what Ernesto did, and Jackson is still near universally beloved.
@gqboygboy69305 ай бұрын
Ernesto De La Cruz is pretty dark and scary too cause first time watching I did not expect that twist
@wingedyaga29145 ай бұрын
I was simply expecting that it was just going to be that he wasn't who Miguel thought he was, but the actual reveal made it so much better.
@Haze-xr9rc4 ай бұрын
Another clue is thinking about who Mamá Imelda is like as a person. She is clearly the one in charge and she would never be charmed by someone like Ernesto. After the reveal when we actually see them interact, it's so clear because their stage chemistry is so bad with them each fighting for power (and the picture).
@b1xssom83829 күн бұрын
Whaaat I was so focused on Hector and Ernesto I completely forgot to think of how Mama Imelda would’ve felt.. I love the new perspective 😭
@omarkumar80365 ай бұрын
It's sad future Disney can't make these villains anymore :(
@julianestebanarroyave95095 ай бұрын
I disagree they can do it
@lexramstudios13865 ай бұрын
They can it's just they need good writing for some villains and most writers these days are bad at writing And we have helicopter parents overreacting about villains being too scary for kids
@OpticalSorcerer5 ай бұрын
To be fair, this is Pixar, so different writers/goals/viewpoints for creating stories.
@Alucard20915 ай бұрын
The Owl House will disagree on that.
@axelmaldonado26425 ай бұрын
Disney has potential. But the problem is that their movies are being made not by artists but by boardroom executives
@DainRiffgin895 ай бұрын
Ernesto works really well as a twist villain because up until he betrays Miguel he has no reason to be evil toward him: he just found his great great grandson who also want to be a musician and is super famous. He was completely willing to send him back with his blessing and only turned when his lies were in danger of being exposed. Ironically it would’ve been found out soon enough as Ernesto’s blessing wouldn’t have worked as he wasn’t one of Miguel’s family, though most likely just Ernesto thinking he was a fraud, but it could’ve been more interesting for Miguel, confused at why it isn’t working, show Ernesto the picture and Ernesto recognizing the guitar and realizing he was Hector’s descendant. But no matter how you slice it, he was an excellently crafted villain. More than that, this movie was so beautiful, and there are parts that still make me cry to this day. Disney, more of this: creative works with strong writing, wonderful emotional moments and timeless themes of family. And no identity politics, please!
@Hanmacx5 ай бұрын
When Ernesto said "I give you my blessing" the leaf isn't glowing 😅
@lahlybird8955 ай бұрын
No identity politics? What exactly do you mean by that considering this movie involves around Mexican culture
@IAmTheEagleHTM4 ай бұрын
@@lahlybird895 he totally didn't mean that. People like him (and me) in fact praise cultural differences in Disney
@lahlybird8954 ай бұрын
@@IAmTheEagleHTM well that's why I was asking to clarify its a slightly vague statement that could have multiple meanings which in this particular context is slightly confusing
@heyitsmira174 ай бұрын
@@lahlybird895 fr it made me so confused. The best movies to come out recently of Pixar were all about it lol
@Dr._Weiner29 күн бұрын
A very subtle foreshadow is Ernesto having a cleft chin, something no one in the Rivera family possesses
@Joe-rz3fd4 ай бұрын
Fun detail that I've never heard anyone mention about this movie: Near the beginning, Hector greets the artist Frida Kahlo with "Hey, sissy!" Frida Kahlo was a real life Mexican artist who lived in the early 20th century. Her husband's name was Diego Rivera. Hector's last name is also Rivera. Therefore, it is entirely possible that Diego is Hector's brother, which would mean that Frida is Hector's sister-in-law. (Which also means Miguel was, as he suspected, related to a famous artist.)
@hunterolaughlin3 ай бұрын
Or having a similar last name to a famous Mexican artist could just be a coincidence.
@Joe-rz3fd3 ай бұрын
The law of conservation of detail would suggest otherwise
@winterr.m15 күн бұрын
You’re actually wrong. The woman he greets isn’t Frida. Her name is ceci. He says “hey ceci” not “hey sissy”. He never actually speaks directly to Frida. Hector and Frida only have a minor interaction where he tells Miguel not to pester the celebrities and then guides him away from Frida
@Joe-rz3fd15 күн бұрын
@@winterr.m That's not what I heard
@winterr.m15 күн бұрын
@@Joe-rz3fdif you watch that scene in the movie, the woman he greets is an entirely different character. She is the costume designer for fridas dancers, not Frida herself
@aR0ttenBANANA5 ай бұрын
One thing that was good too was that it had been a while since we had gotten a villain who was just striaght up bad. Not everyone needs a tragic backstory or a morally grey reasoning, sometimes they're just yucky.
@DoloresLehmann4 ай бұрын
And the thing that makes it even greater is that the message, that "seize your moment" thing, works pretty well both ways, you can see it as an incentive to be great, creative and a beautiful person, but also to be self-absorbed and cruel. That's what makes this movie so outstanding to me: That first you think it will be the same "be true to yourself, no matter what everyone else thinks" kind of story that we have already seen so many times, and then, they flip it just on the head, and yet the core message doesn't change, what changes is how you interpret it. It can be great advise, and it can be terrible advise, what matters is what you make of it.
@tommyl.dayandtherunaways820Ай бұрын
He does have a backstory, it’s just not pushed in your face. The implication is that Ernesto, like Hector, grew up poor and was trying to get out of his small town and find fame as a musician. The difference between them is that Hector had a wife and a family whom he missed and wanted to return to, while Ernesto had only himself, and was so desperate to escape his circumstances that he was willing to resort to theft and murder. All of Ernesto’s grandstanding is a front to disguise his insecurity over the fact that deep down, he was once a nobody, and if anyone ever found out the truth, he would go back to being a nobody.
@orange_turtle34123 ай бұрын
Ernesto not knowing he had a great great grandson yet still accepting the possibility that he did just goes to show how many people he had relations with. It hints that, in classic rich celebrity fashion, he treated people as disposable objects for his own benefit and never really cared about anyone other than himself.
@AH-is5yg5 ай бұрын
If Hector's family didn't ban misic, they would have found out the truth about Ernesto a long time ago due to the songs and would have also notice the guitar Ernesto was holding. The guitar was Hector's. He would have been exposed.
@Joe-rz3fd3 ай бұрын
And Mama Coco wouldn't have had dementia -- or at least she would have been able to manage it much more effectively. I know that's scientifically accurate because it happened to me. I suffered a severe brain injury and was unable to talk for a few days, but I got it back by listening to VeggieTales songs I knew from childhood and lipsynching the words.
@AH-is5yg3 ай бұрын
@@Joe-rz3fd You're right. The music ban did more harm than good. Music really helps people. Hector's family really had no idea what they were doing. Not only this act let Ernesto getting away with it for decades, but was also causing Coco dementia.
@karathewolfsfanficchannel9332 ай бұрын
@@Joe-rz3fdi heard this one guy lost his memory from a car crash but it returned from seeing his cousin reinact a Sonic meme he made with some sonic toys.
@elmuchacho33794 ай бұрын
I always did kind of find it silly that Ernesto was exposed for his actions when Miguel returned to the living. There is no way that a child and an old woman who had dementia, who come from a family who blatantly hates music, were able to convince an entire town of the history of Ernesto and Hector.
@Delta_Aves3 ай бұрын
They were probably only able to prove Ernesto’s songs came from Hector via the letters he wrote Coco, and the fact that Cruz never credited him would paint the musician as a fraud in some peoples eyes.
@tommyl.dayandtherunaways820Ай бұрын
It’s incredibly unrealistic. And I get why they did it (“You successfully exposed a murderer and thief to your family, but the vast majority of people still see him as beloved figure” is a bit heavy for a kids movie), but yeah, there’s no way most of the town, let alone the massive legions of Ernesto’s fans (which span multiple generations) are going to take the word of a kid without any hard evidence over that of their mega-idol.
@definitely_not_an_athlete373127 күн бұрын
@@tommyl.dayandtherunaways820well they had letters that hector wrote for Coco with the lyrics to the songs plus a picture of Hector with the iconic guitar
@virginiamontaldo4405 ай бұрын
Ernesto is the best Disney villain of the new era, and he's Pixar.
@ChaosEnthusiast4 ай бұрын
disney villain but disney doesnt have villains anymore (except for wish but we arent going to talk about that one
@Joe-rz3fd4 ай бұрын
THANK YOU for acknowledging that Ernesto didn't die from the second bell falling on him! Not enough people realize how horrible his punishment really was. He got trapped under a giant bell. It's a tiny cell. It's pitch black. Nobody can see or hear him. He's in solitary confinement. To make matters worse, he's already traumatized by the fact that the bell is what killed him in life. At least the walls of his cell can make music to entertain himself, although it makes the entire cell vibrate when he does so. Even if he could escape, he couldn't go back to the only (after)life he ever knew. Everyone who was at the concert knows the truth by now, and by the time he gets out they will have spread it to the entire land of the dead. Ernesto will be universally hated wherever he goes. He can't even escape to what was once his own mansion, because his guards will know what he did. Nor can he escape to what was once Hector's community, because he would have told them all what's going on by this point. And when he tries to escape to the Land of the Living (remember, he wasn't there to see Miguel leave), he will be in for a huge shock when he can't even get past security. And even if he could get back to earth, he would realize that his only fans left are the kind of people who defend Hitler. He could maybe get a few gifts from them, but nothing compared to what he had before. And all this is made so much worse when you realize that every moment of Ernesto's music career was spent trying to prolong his existence in the Land of the Dead.
@kurorintenshi3 ай бұрын
Ernesto de la Cruz made a movie where he reenacted the cold blooded premeditated murder of his best friend THAT HE COMMITED down to the smallest detail - But could only handle doing so by casting himself as the victim. Because that's how he viewed himself and that is some effed up villainous shit right there.
@existentialgarfield4 ай бұрын
(ik im a bit late) but you could also tell that Ernesto was more about the fame and popularity more than his family like Hector is because of how they sang Remember Me. Hector's is more lower and softer while Ernesto's is cheerful and upbeat. Ernesto clearly didn't know the meaning of the song so he sang it to either portray it as directed to a lover or to his fans but Hector wrote it for Coco. In my opinion, that shows enough who's more focused on what; Ernesto is focused on his fame and Hector is more focused on his family
@lhadzyan73005 ай бұрын
Ernesto was such a great villain on his own as twist-type that even shocked so hard on the audience specially here at Mexico on several old-aged ones which actually were enjoying a lot how he resembled several great old B&W era of movies´s starts back here in Mexico, specially Pedro Infante and Jorge Negrete (which both appeared on scene aside De la Cruz), and well they were known to portray great heros and never barely played villains in all (Negrete at much played antiheros), so when they saw him being the villain who fooled everyone and being so cruel with Miguel and Hector and everyone, the old-people were so astonished and broken-hearted of that twist comparing aghast how the real references never ever indeed played proper villains and so then they totally realized he was a total complex different character than just a simple hommage for their idols when younger. So much stricking well done was Ernesto and the whole movie back then at Mexico indeed - it lasted 3 whole months from late October to early January and even the next year for Dia de los Muertos/Day of the Dead Ones anniversary it got relaunched AGAIN, and it´s so cherished and admired here because the Pixar team did just a wonderfull work on Mexican society not just on their traditions but actually their current day of living, which it was sensed so much wholesome real and true than a lot of idealized and stereotypical views of the country coming from foreign movies - even Guillermo Del Toro "The Book of Life" from a few years earlier was much using stereotypes and odd idealizations of the country regardless than actually Del Toro is born and grew up in Mexico, but kinda made a more stereotypical and cliched movie than what the Coco producers made, so Mexican people loved it a lot and felt honored with that.
@racheljackson44284 ай бұрын
the fact that they added a Murder Mystery into this movie makes Ernesto De La Cruz a way more darker villain when you realize.
@DoloresLehmann4 ай бұрын
That's why they couldn't use Infante or Negrete as the big idol for Miguel and had to invent a new one. Nobody would have forgiven them if they turned and ACTUAL Mexican idol into a villain.
@lhadzyan73004 ай бұрын
@@DoloresLehmann makes sense and neverthless still some people acknowledged the hommage resemblance-references to both of them - though later on it´s clearly stated is none of them - and well some old ladies were very shocked when the twist happened because indeed the original heroic references for them got such a constrast with a villain, Pixar neverthless knew how to make proper twist-villains.
@ashbasher22nerd935 ай бұрын
I personally think a cool idea for future videos would be what if rewrites for films that had so much potential but were wasted, like for me being Ralph Breaks the Internet, Frozen II and Wish. I think you can bring in concepts from the art books that can work. Examples being: Ralph Breaks the Internet exploring the concept of video games and travelling to a steam train hub which they could go into any game they want and having an actual villain. Frozen II: By having Anna developing powers of empathy while realising that she is linked to an element as much as Elsa is to water. Also having the deer spirit integral to the story. And Wish: Asha already being the king's apprentice but is in a deep conflict between where was told what she could be vs what she actually be if she explored her potential, also giving her a compassionate side towards the people for all selfless reasons. I think that would be neat.
@bipolarlive1214Ай бұрын
I love that the most key thing about AMAZING twist villains is their tone, a good twist villain NEVER actually changes personality only their attitude towards the MC when they are now in their way. Disney recently has failed to address this whether it be Zootopia or Frozen where the villains do a full 180, unlike King Candy or Ernesto, they stay the EXACT same throughout the whole film, its only when the MC finally realizes that they are not a good person do they actually change their ways and tactics.
@Koopalingfan3 ай бұрын
Your right. When I watched Coco in theaters I kinda questioned Ernesto about being a good role mode after Miquel believed him to be his great great grandfather. Since he was said to abandon his family. What I also like about Ernesto Da La Cruz being a twist villain is it also represents the hard truth that some famous people and politicians are not who they say they are. A very hard truth for a kids movie.
@19nmiller15 ай бұрын
I adore this movie and the twist really did take me off guard the first time I watched it. I think the reason why is because the traits of Ernesto are so cleverly laid out so that they're doubled-edged. Ernesto is a fan of the spotlight and shows Miguel off to everyone. At first, it seems like it's because he wants to celebrate his long lost family member, but in reality it's all a publicity stunt and a way to get the audience on his side even more even though he doesnt acrually care. As you said, Ernesto is also extremely dedicated to his music and image, which makes him seem ambitious and heroic that he left his family to follow his dreams; but in reality it's because he wants fame and fortune to the most selfish degree, to the point where he's willing to sacrifice his best friend and co-creator of the music. It's so much better than Hans, who I think is the worst twist villain. Ernesto is set up as a fame-hungry man, but we're willing to overlook it because we think Miguel finally found his family. With Hans, there's no indication that he's going to be the villain. He's very sweet to Anna, willing to help when things are tough, and really never shows any sign of duplicity. I guess it's the passive mention that he's basically last in line for the throne and will never get it, but that's basically a throwaway line and it doesn't seem to bother him. They even retcon it in the Broadway musical so that it's a bigger deal to him and is played up more to the audience. The best twist villains lay breadcrumbs for the audience to follow, making the second watchthrough a completely different experience as you sus out all the small details. The worst are the ones that you rewatch and can't see any indication of what's to come. It makes it seem like the writers are either a. Lazy, b. Unsure of what they want, or c. Haughty because they think they pulled a fast one on the audience even though they gave no chance for the audience to solve the mystery. Honestly, Coco and Wreck It Ralph are lightning in a bottle for this trope that I don't think we'll get back for a very long time.
@powerofk4 ай бұрын
Yup. The issue with Hans seems to be that Elsa was originally supposed to be the villain of Frozen (as the movie is very loosely based off of The Snow Queen, with Elsa being based off the evil Snow Queen herself). I mean, seriously? “Let it Go” is a stereotypical villain song. But somewhere along the line (probably late in the screenwriting process), Disney decided that a redemption story for Elsa would work better, and decided to make Hans into a twist villain. That’s why it’s so jarring-it was a very late addition to the story. Twists don’t really work unless the twist is thought about throughout the writing of the story. The author needs to leave a breadcrumb trail that is subtle enough that the reader/viewer/game player can easily miss it at first but obvious enough that after encountering the twist, the reader/viewer/player isn’t angry at the writers for the deception, but laughs at oneself, wondering why they didn’t see it coming.
@tommyl.dayandtherunaways820Ай бұрын
I feel like the unspoken subtext with Hector and Ernesto is that they’re the same character archetype. They both wanted to escape their small town and become famous musicians. Their mutual love of music is what made them friends. However, they diverge at a very critical point: when given a choice between fame or family, Hector chooses family, and Ernesto chooses fame. We can also infer that since Ernesto was much more of a playboy, he didn’t have a stable family like Hector did. He allowed his passion for music to be consumed by his ego and his desperation to become “somebody”, to the point where he was willing to betray the one real friend he had left.
@jessecabennett2008Ай бұрын
One of the subtle hints i like regarding Ernesto's character is at the very beginning of the movie. When he sings, "know that i'm with you the only way that i can be," he winks at the audience. He is constantly with us in the only way he can be: disengenuously, as a con man, and a liar.
@iamsocoolz4 ай бұрын
I'd like to point out that Miguel's family would've recognized him because they visited their descendants every year for the Day of the Dead, and since Earnesto never left the Land of the Dead to visit anyone it makes complete sense that even with him as a red herring candidate for Miguel's great great grandfather, he wouldn't recognize Miguel like the rest of the family who have visited him his whole life would. Even Hector didn't recognize he was related to Miguel on sight and it's because he had never been back to the land of the living to have ever seen him prior to meeting him in the land of the dead
@mrsturtevant15 ай бұрын
De la Cruz is a perfect villain, and Coco is a perfect movie!!
@ivanbluecool5 ай бұрын
He was hungry for fame and took the life of his friend. Basically if frozen could pull yhe trigger on anyone losing their life after the backstory
@Pika-Chu645 ай бұрын
Coco is such a good movie fr
@notaclass-d18225 ай бұрын
i mentioned on your wreck it ralph video that a villain like hans could work if it was done in a way that made hints/made it more clear that the character was only helping the protagonist as a way to serve themsleves, and i think ernesto de la cruz is a good example of that, like the opposite of hans in quality of a twist villain, the good actions they do for miguel are done in situations that help him become more popular/respected. kid falls into pool? jump in and save him! even if skeletons cant drown(presumably) it would still make him look good. finds out he has a great great grandson who is alive and in the afterlife with him? parade him around and show him to everyone to gain more popularity. the child hes been parading around ends up finding something out that could jeopardize his public image? throw the child into a cave with no possible escape for them
@anez12665 ай бұрын
When I saw Coco for the first time, I had a strange feeling that something wasn't right about Ernesto being Miguel's great-great Grandfather, and when they finally meet at the party, the *_feeling_* that something was wrong still wouldn't leave me. And then when that plot twist was revealed that Ernesto was a murderer and got rid of Miguel, I was like "I KNEW IT! I KNEW THERE WAS SOMETHING WRONG WITH HIM!"😤 Plus my mind was so focus on figuring out about Ernesto, that I didn't took the time to realize that Hector was Miguel's REAL great-great Grandfather all along, I should've known sooner, but again I was so focus on the story and characters in the present moment, that I blinded myself from seeing that the answer was right there all this time. Nonetheless I was happy with the heartfelt surprise of Hector being Coco's father and Miguel's REAL family, it made me love the movie even more❤
@marcosortega33503 ай бұрын
My sister was the opposite; she called the Hector twist but not Ernesto being a fraud and murderer.
@redeyegaming079820 күн бұрын
I actually had the same feeling before watching the movie
@FarahA272 ай бұрын
Another clue is when Ernesto tells Miguel something like, “One can’t deny who he is meant to be.” My mom said, “That’s not a good message for kids!” Villians usually give bad advice to child characters so it makes sense for Ernesto’s status as a bad guy.
@kalifogg661023 күн бұрын
Another clue is Hector changes a dirty word for a tame one in ‘Juanita’ when he remembers that Miguel is there and can hear him; when his friend protects the word change Hector replies ‘there are children present’. Hector also shows concern for Miguel and tries to return him to his family when he learns that Miguel has family looking for him. Ernesto on the other hand is in absolutely no hurry to get Miguel back to the Land of the Living and only moves to send him back after Miguel reminds him that he can’t stay much longer, he doesn’t promise to visit Miguel next year and instead voices the hope that Miguel will die soon. Whether or not Ernesto not being apprehensive over Miguel watching violence in the old movies is a gray area as we don’t know if Miguel said that he had already watched them or something
@NinjaFlibble5 ай бұрын
I do wonder how they convinced Ernesto's fans who were still living that this kid actually visited the land of the dead and learned this dirty secret to turn even the living fans against him 😂 I'm not saying skipping this makes it a bad movie, but that it is a big question they never answer cause it was in the epilogue
@SupernovaQuark4 ай бұрын
iirc, coco still had original papers containing lyrics of "remember me", and that was released into the public, also the photo of hector with the guitar
@tommyl.dayandtherunaways820Ай бұрын
I doubt it. Miguel has no hard evidence. It’s his word against one of the most beloved musicians in Mexico Imagine if some kid said that his great-grandfather was murdered by Elvis, but doesn’t have any proof. How many fans would Elvis lose?
@jamestolbert18565 ай бұрын
I gotta say, I did not expect that twist but it’s a great one
@Unsweetened86185 ай бұрын
Him and Stinky Pete are the greatest Pixar Twist Villains... I was in the theaters when I saw this movie... The reveal was🔥
@FallenfromGlimmer5 ай бұрын
I think you should cover Disney cartoon characters as well. They're just as important as the movie/legacy characters too.
@enzoarayamorales72205 ай бұрын
This is in my opinion the last truly great Pixar movie and it’s about to be ten years old in less than 2 years
@EclipsingTNT5 ай бұрын
*less than 4
@mr.darkassassin79974 ай бұрын
I think Soul was great too but I prefer the old ones
@OpticalSorcerer5 ай бұрын
I'm still enraged that Disney doesn't use the Anderson-Lopez team for more musicals outside of "Frozen" (though I love the franchise). Their work with Pixar only furthers this annoyance.
@FarahA272 ай бұрын
Me too. I read somewhere that they were asked to write songs for Coco but they were writing songs for the Frozen Fever Short. The only song they managed to write for Coco was Remember Me.
@FarahA272 ай бұрын
The team wrote songs for the 2011 Winnie the Pooh movie, and Findkng Nemo the musical stage at Disney’s Animal Kingdom.
@OpticalSorcerer2 ай бұрын
@@FarahA27 Did one affect the other? FF only had one song and was made two years before "Coco."
@Inkygrace425 ай бұрын
When i first watched the movie I concluded that Hector was Miguel's actual grandfather who was a forgotten musician in the afterlife. My brother was really upset with me for concluding that very fast since he saw the movie before me heh
@kiachaotic6554Ай бұрын
Something I caught a few times after watching this movie, a great way to know that Ernesto was the villain, was the color that surrounded him. Even in the beginning, you see a hint of green. Like the lantern in Tangled. When rapunzel is reunited with mother gothel, the light isn’t a warm color. It was a glooming green. That’s what I noticed later about Ernesto
@kuroyuuepАй бұрын
This movie was pretty good! The twist, and the fact that "Remember me" srsly made me cry .
@femgirlchannel4 ай бұрын
He is a prefect and well written villain to hate.
@YourFeelingsSucks5 ай бұрын
You take the time to know Ernesto, he fooled Miguel by pretending to be good, he killed his best friend and stole his fame. And all that with an excellent work from the actors, See? Was that hard?
@ThePinkDragon5 ай бұрын
i love the twist and sweet message of the movie
@NightmareScarecrow3 ай бұрын
Ernesto is a true example of the saying “never meet your heroes.” I learned that from this film.
@NolanMixel5 ай бұрын
the only real flaw is why he didn't just rip up the photo
@leonmystique93723 ай бұрын
It would be pointless even after he did because Coco has the missing part of the main picture
@paintkim92114 ай бұрын
Ernesto De La Cruz = Scar + Syndrome + Charles F. Muntz + Lord Shen
@user-jw5qj8kv2y5 ай бұрын
"Coco" was a really interesting movie. What I enjoyed best about this movie is how adventurous it is going through the land of the dead that looks all Mexican-style and that the boy Miguel makes friends with someone who loves music just like him. Of all Pixar films, the best one I've seen is WALL-E; and the worst one I've seen is Brave. Even so, COCO is a very special film in its own way. And in my opinion, it's a lot better than The Book of Life. Some people see The Book of Life very much related to COCO, but I don't. I didn't enjoy The Book of Life very much because it was a little hard to follow and didn't make much sense to me. But COCO told a story that was understandable and heartfelt. After seeing it as a rental on Netflix, it deserved to be added to my collection of Pixar movies that I like.
@sirtree153 ай бұрын
a fantastic movie through and through, story, message, characters and all
@karmore170765 ай бұрын
I remember thinking this guy was all this and all that, and then he’s revealed to be the real deal
@xryeau_17605 ай бұрын
One thing I didn't like a lot about Ernesto is his characterization before the twists: He's shown to care only about his own fame and recognition and uses Miguel as a prop for this. I would've preferred if Ernesto was shown to be more compassionate and caring for Miguel as he did more to encourage him to pursue his talent for music because it would've made it more shocking when Ernesto does betray him, maybe showing a twinge of regret while he does instead of just being smug about it. He's a great villain and Coco did so many things right but there were still a few things within that movie that kinda bugged me with Ernesto's characterization being one of them
@Rose-xm4og4 ай бұрын
I don’t think so, because it shows that through and through, Ernesto was a selfish prick, in life and in death.
@EvieFrye199519 күн бұрын
It wouldn't be consistent and out of character if he's shown to be compassionate to miguel
@xryeau_176019 күн бұрын
@@EvieFrye1995 For the character they were specifically trying to write that would be true but I think if they chose to write him in a different way that this would be an improvement in my opinion because it adds more charge to the emotional shock of the plot twist
@G.L.9992 ай бұрын
This was sadly John Lasseter's last film he ever produced at Pixar before being wrongly terminated from his job! But I guess one could say he went out with a bang on this one!
@Unsweetened86185 ай бұрын
Ernesto Del La Cruz, is the top 5 greatest Pixar Villains... He standing their what Stinky Pete & Hooper....
@DimitriMaxwell21 күн бұрын
Seeing this movie in theaters broke me in the best way possible
@sycho-tech51043 ай бұрын
I’m pretty sure they just left him under the bell in the land of the remembered.
@Joe-rz3fdАй бұрын
No, because remember, Miguel stole his guitar from his grave
@TerezatheTeacher4 ай бұрын
De la Cruz was a very famous man. He most likely wouldn't know whether any of the fans he'd slept with ended up pregnant.
@lokkomotive815327 күн бұрын
Wow a twist villain so creative
@lilhedgehog85764 ай бұрын
That plot twist blew me off my chair.
@MrGabeanator2 ай бұрын
See there are good twist villains
@erikbihari36255 ай бұрын
Pretty big generalization, compadré. Because, even moustache twirling or irredemable(not necessarily in that order and maybe mutually exclusive)type of villains! Anyone else agrees?
@quentinplayezgamez78294 ай бұрын
Ernesto has even had influence on other films such as the characters "solomon goode" and "nick goode" in the fear street movies (those movies are R rated so if you are still a kid don't watch it) And I just can't help but notice how similar He is to those 2.
@olleselin5 ай бұрын
Next you should totally cover various Disney Channel villains because they're actually evil unlike in their movies
@innahsimp3 ай бұрын
low key the twin uncles goated
@bamboozler81productions142 ай бұрын
One of my family members was an actor in the movie. And I love the movie so much it’s so great 😁
@Mahdi_NG5 ай бұрын
suchh a nice video
@seibutsulung40284 ай бұрын
The fact there was a teory Ernesto was gay its crazy
@MorganEdgy3 ай бұрын
Remember when Disney had villains? ah, good times
@nombreno.1325Ай бұрын
I really want him to be the real ancestor of Miguel, just for in the end, Hector giving him the blessing and working cause family is not always blood related
@kevinst0pit4443 ай бұрын
Idk why I just noticed Ernesto De aka Cruz is so hard in English , Ernesto from the cross ‼️‼️ I was going to school with these kids and didn’t know they had sauce in they name real shit
@gracewang19593 ай бұрын
i was thinking about how these musicians in the land of the dead could still think up music, but their works will never be seen by living eyes(besides miguel ig)
@gr3mliiiiinnnАй бұрын
and he was fine too 😂
@janette26915 ай бұрын
Fun fact in the Spanish dub Ernesto de la Cruz is voiced by Marco Antonio Solis el buki.
@RereDoesGacha22 күн бұрын
I hung up on my friend to watch this.
@maurycyoseka10573 ай бұрын
In the land of the dead dissapearing from obscurity is actually a double death. I would say that Ernesto died trice. If not, well he's Xibalba's problem now.
@erikbihari36255 ай бұрын
I know it's not exactly Disney, but how about looking back, and maybe talking about a movie wich tried desperately to recapture that Disney renaissance magic? My little pony the movie!
@Chareddragon4 ай бұрын
Bob Iger never left
@EthanIlchert2 ай бұрын
While I definitely grew tired of the cliché twist villains during the twist villain era I will admit that Ernesto and Turbo were definitely the exceptions, probably because they were fleshed out more compared to the others that were more last minute.
@bethnormal2 ай бұрын
❤❤
@richdesouza17715 ай бұрын
Wooooooooooooooo
@sanemishinazugawa898Ай бұрын
NO MUSIC 👹
@mardenborough.5 ай бұрын
A perfect villain. What Encanto unfortunately lacked. Yeah, I'm looking at you, Abuela Alma.
@hunterolaughlin4 ай бұрын
That’s a poor comparison. I’d understand making that comparison with King Magnifico, but Alma Madrigal is a character that’s never meant to be a villain and is supposed to be anti-antagonist where they have good intentions, but have the wrong idea of handling said intentions and is unaware of the damage abusing intentions is causing on others. Farmer Bean: “You’ve made a BAD comparison, ouranos.official!” (Flicks cigarette and storms off)
@CyreseParrish3 ай бұрын
Alma is an antagonist, not a villain
@matthewcenteno55155 ай бұрын
Native spanish speaker, sorry but i get triggered each time i hear this, the H is silent, his name is pronounced Ector. Not Jector! EEEEEEECTOR!!! Silent H for Hector! Not JJJJJJJECTOR! Rant over 😊
@andreasolanomontufar17099 күн бұрын
Ernesto was a bit stupid, without Hector he would have to continue basing his career on remember me for many years, he could have agreed to send him songs by mail in exchange for a percentage, it was not uncommon for singers not to compose their music
@welle6e-3872 ай бұрын
ong
@adrianmorrison46785 ай бұрын
Can you please do a video about the history and reliance off the Disney trop of relationships between parents and children where the children run away a prove right while the parents prove wrong and how thats becoming a problem with the new films?
@aidanhever33695 ай бұрын
I just wish Imelda and her cuckoo granddaughter: Elena had been villains too. I'm sick and tired of Disney sympathizing with abusive families. I don't care that they saw the error of their ways in the end. Having abusive families is not healthy. It's worse as someone who has Stockholm syndrome for sympathizing with its captor. The way of their redemption seems unnatural and unrealistic. If I were the creators, I would take them away and never being seen again.
@Juan-zs6jt5 ай бұрын
Elena and Imelda ARE villains though, they do nothing but antagonize everybody around them for most of the movie. They repent, unlike more traditional villains. Elena though is not just abusive to her family, but to strangers on the streets as well, in a more realistic setting, she would be in jail. At least she's not in the movie enough to make it unbearable, Imelda almost crosses that thin line because she was SO petty that even in death she resented Hector, she never made an attempt to look for him in the land of the dead to know what happened to him, and since it's México, when she was alive she could have rationalized it he was kidnapped or murdered (or both), rather than jump the gun that he abandoned her. Though the catharsis with these type of "villains" is that the people they abuse call them out on their nonsense, Imelda and Elena may not have gotten a harsh punishment they might deserve, but they still wasted their life hating music over nothing, they got exposed for the fools they are, and they are lucky to be forgiven.
@aidanhever33695 ай бұрын
@@Juan-zs6jt Not just them, but also other parental scoundrels who are sympathized by Disney, such as Buck Cluck from Chicken Little, Alma Madrigal from Encanto, Ming Lee from Turning Red, and Bernie from Elemental.
@nicholassims98375 ай бұрын
@@aidanhever3369 there not villains as they never reach the same level of bad as StepMother , Frollo and Gothal. You complaining about unrealistic is pretty stupid these are animated films and non of them were grounded in reality with Going to the Dead, Turning into Pandas. A living house and Living Elements etc . Forgiving is good and forgiving those people if there sorry is easier than forgiving tyrants. Also you are being way too harsh on Elena as you dont think from her POV. As to me Triton acted worse not only by destroying Ariels collection but his indifference towards a human dieing " One last human to worry about " Elena never not care for a musician to die as she never forbidden her family to help a musician from choking saying "one less no good musician to worry about "
@aboxinspace3 ай бұрын
tell me you have mommy issues without telling me
@nicholassims98373 ай бұрын
@@aboxinspace my mom is dead now
@StarWarsUnconditionalLover5 ай бұрын
I dnd’t like this villain very much. It was a lame twist villain taken from a telenovelas. The fact that a telenovelas was made based on an actual real story is really showing that this twist was unneeded. Also, his revelation was too late, we don’t get to know the villain until that. Coco would have been much more impactful if it didn’t have this lame villain showing up in the last third.
@lhadzyan73005 ай бұрын
The "chorizo" intoxication which Hector thought - as many other people in the world of death - current joke was something that it´s only understood as double-meaning in Mexican Spanish-language culture addressing actually an adult sexual-innuendo joke about he getting choked or intoxicated by a "saussage" and well... the actor which played Hector, Gael Garcia, was so famous when starting his careeer alongside Diego Luna at a movie when both guys realize they´re bisexual and henceforth the idea of them going into guys as well girls is so deep linked to them as bi-icons that well, kinda got connected with the easy queerness of Hector playing Frida and being so emotional and other stuff that was deemed as not so masculine standards back that time at Mexico culture when it was set he was alive (early 20s of past century). I tend to use it as another implied theory that actually Hector was bisexual and Ernesto actually a closeted gay, and well both started together and their friendship turned into romance - and henceforth that´s why the "Poco Loco" song is so neutral addressed as it could be working both on female and male as well - however as Ernesto fame rise up, and he didn´t wanted people guessed on the true connection with Hector he pushed him a bit into Imelda as she approached them, realized how he was the true genius behind all and well loved him and he got was bisexual after all and leave Ernesto for her. De la Cruz got so bittern at heart but worked heavily so he could split Hector from his family later on inspiring him to go in the country road using the money in sake for his family - though he intended to strain him from them and recover him back - ; then Imelda as she guessed the true intentions of Ernesto and knew that her husband was bi somehow got into a very bittern discussion on her fears about the past of him reclaming back, and Hector leave out very hurt on the distrutfullness on her because he also liked guys but that didn´t meant he was gonna desert her in all (and indeed was a very close-conservative view from her to see bisexual people as potential cheaters all time), and well that´s why Imelda choose to have him as lost-forever even before he actually stopped comunicating with his family (though he mostly only communicated with Coco, as she was the key-loved treasure which made him never forget his family even if being so dissapointed on his wife misstrust on him). Neverthless I think indeec Erneston managed to have some private intimate time with Hector after having him drunk at time and easy manipulated which he got so guilty stricken realizing that his wife was so true on fearing that and so... that responsability on never loosing his family was what brought him into the discussion with Ernesto and well he actad as a very toxic ex-lover killing him so if he wasn´t for him, he won´t be for ANYONE ELSE TOO!! (A very cunning and close-passionate plot way for killing him that it´s usually more addressed on spurned lovers and femenine way of killing others.) Ernesto was a great actor and made such a cassanova persona cover for everyone that is was barely known in all - even after being dead - that he wasn´t into girls in all. (Actually several great handsome actors back those times here at Mexico and at the USA on the same time, happened to have deep-closeted times being either bisexual or totally gay, but yet were very prized good-looking ones proving beyond anything how masculinity doesn´t have anything with a specifical sexual preference as it was usually thought before, but then it was indeed a normative view and they have to be very undercovered by that, and well being more manly than the average was another way of self-protection agains murmurations too.) Neverthless Ernesto still kinda liked Hector when he was him again at the Coco events and that was why he got to much fixated on looking his picture with deep-contemplation remembering him when being alive and kinda may have allowed him to keep going on the original path if Miguel returned back, however... it was the boy who ruined all on being smarter than he thought would be and made the connecton of exposure of him, and well... De la Cruz self-preservation instinct and machiavellian ways took the best of him as before and well the only chance to redeem himself got totally losted in a moment.
@marcellusfitzgerald-26274 ай бұрын
I thibk the content of your videos can be good and observant but sometimes your phrasing is repetetive and even sounds like it could be ai generated, just for having awkward sentence structure that reiterates the same thing over again
@whoisnuggetАй бұрын
ernesto de la cruz has to be one of the stupidest characters/villains disney has ever written.