Amazon's Rings of Power Is Just Expensive Fan Fiction

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2 жыл бұрын

Recently there has been an explosion of news regarding Amazon’s upcoming Lord of the Rings series entitled The Rings of Power set to premiere September 2, 2022. The studio has been relatively secretive and slow in dispensing information about the show but not long after revealing the name of the series, character posters were released, a Vanity Fair exclusive article also landed covering the premise of the show and character details, and during the Super Bowl a teaser trailer landed. Unfortunately with all this news and revelations my initial excitement for this series has waned considerably. I know many who are excited for this show however and so I’d like to say at the start that this video isn’t intended to dampen those feelings held by others, I’ve been covering the news and lore surrounding this series so this is just honestly how I’m feeling right now in light of this newest information.
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@svensson1910 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you! For not screaming, for not mocking, for not overreacting. For calmly, to-the-point and well-founded exposing this for what it seems to be…….a disaster in the making. The cookies may be freshly baked, but they are ice-cold!!!!

@CoinSlotKitty 2 жыл бұрын

Everything cookies does is soothing and nice She should do scifi and fantasy audio books

@hyperion303 2 жыл бұрын

@@CoinSlotKitty And ASMR :D

@elizabethtaylor8428 2 жыл бұрын

The moment I heard Tom Shippey had been let go, I saw a parade of Red Flags. I may also add the audacity these inexperienced show runners claiming to write a story Tolkien never wrote it's down right disrespectful to Professor Tolkien's years of creating Middle-earth. To these show runners it's for a fat paycheck from Bezos. They don't care about Tolkien when this is a horrific mashup of Game of Thrones and Lord of the Rings fanfiction.

@wcraiderevo8078 2 жыл бұрын

Once again, Amazon having an opportunity for a big win is gonna snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Thanks for putting this together.

@GusOfTheDorks 2 жыл бұрын

Victory was never the point. Making an absolute abomination was the point. So long as this goes down in absolute flames, they have won. They never made this to make money. They made this to let you know they control your happiness. And to make sure any shred of culture that a white person looks up to is so toxic and such a disaster, that investors will shudder at the thought of even publishing the original books again for fear of loss of money.

@turinturambar7774 2 жыл бұрын

“Evil cannot create anything new, they can only corrupt” - J.R.R. Tolkien.

@treydixon5399 2 жыл бұрын

These people have said "he's a genius but we need to change the story." They will not be satisfied until they have vandalized every single piece of art they see.

@quentinlelievre276 2 жыл бұрын

Don't look up the comment section of the trailer oh nonono

@travisbishop782 2 жыл бұрын

@@quentinlelievre276 i hate to ask, but how bad is the comment section?

@quentinlelievre276 2 жыл бұрын

@@travisbishop782 its good, check it

@achristiananarchist2509 2 жыл бұрын

I wonder if any of the people spamming this comment all over the internet get the irony...

@Gryffster 2 жыл бұрын

The idea of the constancy of the Elves spanning ages, while the humans come and go in each episode is quite an appealing one to me. It gives us a sense of the passage of great lengths of time. It's a theme that appears throughout Tolkien's work, and also enhances the pathos of relationships between mortals and immortals. (Beren and Lúthien, Aragorn and Arwen) Ideas spanning millennia sometimes scare people, so Amazon thinks we'd prefer something warm and fuzzy. I suspect we're getting a soap opera.

@Lobsterwithinternet 2 жыл бұрын

Just like Jeff Bezos wanted, we’re getting his GoT.

@Gryffster 2 жыл бұрын

@@Lobsterwithinternet Game of Rings :-)

@Torlik11 2 жыл бұрын

And it's not like a show can't be good while changing come of your main characters every season. The first few seasons of Game of Throne were great and main characters were dying all the time!

@Gryffster 2 жыл бұрын

@@Torlik11 Aye. While seeing it all from the perspective of the elves.

@pettaduffy6561 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for articulating exactly how I feel about this whole situation. The VF article just shocked me. They’re basically saying that “we’re going to make a show we THINK Tolkien would write” even though Tolkien DID write those stories but they don’t have the rights to it. WHY THEN WOULD YOU BOTHER?! Because it’s all about $$$ not respecting the Lore or honouring the Legacy. I am mortified that this is happening.

@adrianseguras.9659 2 жыл бұрын

Oh. yes. I was really waiting for your review. Love your realistic, no-bs approach to things. big fan.

@RaikenXion 2 жыл бұрын

I never trusted this show from the moment i heard right after Christopher Tolkien had died in 2020, and Amazon supposedly got rid of the writing team that he had picked to work on this show; that was a big red flag for me. I sincerely hope this show does poorly but Amazon got a lot of money to throw at this show and keep in running for a good few seasons. And you nailed it, "most expensive FAN FICTION" cause that is all it amounts to at end of the day. It's a shame it's like this.

@coartramey7382 2 жыл бұрын

Keeping elven characters ageless through centuries while humans aged and died would have been a poignant and powerful way to capture the passage of time. There shouldn't be many humans in a Second Age story anyway! I'm also concerned about how Morgoth and Sauron will be characterized: there are so many ways they could come across cliched and corny. I appreciate ambitious story telling, but I'm expecting this to be more like Peter Jackson's Hobbit than Tolkien's anything

@Lobsterwithinternet 2 жыл бұрын

More like that parody with Jack Black.

@FBFTheRagingWarrior 2 жыл бұрын

But there are the children of hurin story is one of the best events in the seccond age and it has a lot of human characters

@coartramey7382 2 жыл бұрын

@@FBFTheRagingWarrior That's a fair point, and if Amazon were making an anthology of Second Age stories with a loose connection, structured something like the Silmarillion, the Children of Turin would be a great chapter. I expect they *will create a similar story to that one but squeeze it into a compressed narrative of the elves vs Morgoth.

@FBFTheRagingWarrior 2 жыл бұрын

@@coartramey7382 I doubt that, since they can not recreate the exact events, because they do not have the rights to them, so this indeed is essentially a fan fiction version of it. Dear god, this should not see the light of day.

@FireCrack83 2 жыл бұрын

its funny how literaly every idea i read in the comments is better then the amazon plot

@stormsaga1176 2 жыл бұрын

I admit to feeling very disappointed and misled. I was very excited about the second age finally being brought to life and what's being handed to us is fictional version of a much beloved fantasy. I have no issues with the actors themselves, but Tolkien's purpose was to create an Anglo-Saxon mythology to fill the loss of the originals due to the Norman invasion. As a college professor of Anglo-Saxon and English Language and Literature, he was in a unique position to do so. I would rather Amazon dropped all claims of connection to The Silmarillion and create their own separate fantasy instead of bastardazing

@stormsaga1176 2 жыл бұрын

I apologize, I accidentally hit the send button when I meant to correct my spelling of the last word. To go on, as a rule, I love fantasies and would have remained excited about this series if they had made their own. Then I wouldn't have any problem at all with their choices. Now, I'll just compare how wrongly they are misrepresenting The Silmarillion.

@Scizyr 2 жыл бұрын

As having authored some works of fan fiction, I took pride on refusing to deviate from established lore. This is going to be monumentally bad. If they wanted to "write the novel that Tolkien never wrote" as the showrunner stated, why not do just that? Write a new middle earth novel, have it stand on its own merits, then adapt THAT into a television series.

@billyd9809 2 жыл бұрын

"Fanfic" By far, the best description of this train wreck to date. They never intended this to be a "faithful adaptation of anything Tolkien wrote." This is "content for Amazon Prime." Nothing more.

@Cat-Washing-ton 2 жыл бұрын

Well said

@Blynat 2 жыл бұрын

@@Cat-Washing-ton HEY! they have one good show... that's now over...

@absolutezero6423 2 жыл бұрын

Fanfic implies the writer is a fan.

@Quaaludio 2 жыл бұрын

Oy Vey!

@toddbradford4700 2 жыл бұрын

So basically they are setting this story in the second age of Middle Earth and they are going to be able to use characters like Galadriel and Elrond because those characters appear in the books they do have the rights to. BUT, they don't have the rights to any of the books like The Silmarillion which deal specifically with that time period so they can't use the actual stories that take place in that age. So we are getting a story that is merely set in the Tolkien universe with a few familiar names sprinkled in but completely made up by these two hacks whose greatest claim to fame is working on a failed Star Trek project. This is going to suck ass.

@Lithaldatwin 2 жыл бұрын

also explains why only one of Galadriel's brothers is named

@Jimmy8her 2 жыл бұрын

I'm with you on this... It seems to me that the stories often became re-write in a sense, with the movie writers thinking that they can tell the story better than the original author. Doing this becomes a major mistake because them there are the people in the audience, such as myself, picking the theatrical story apart. "That wasn't in the story, or perhaps the writers left out something that was important to the story.

@FoggyBeemerGamer 2 жыл бұрын

You are spot on. This is going to be one expensive train wreck and it's the fans who suffer.

@gerhard7988 2 жыл бұрын

Wheel of Time and now Middle Earth. Why can't Amazon get things right? Either honor the story and the lore, or create your own world to tell the story you want. Don't put a Porsche badge on a pinto. Great video, I appreciate your take. Despite your calm voice, your disappointment comes through clearly.

@XmadBear27 2 жыл бұрын

They 've butchered all the favorite franchises like witcher, foundation, wheel of time, etc. This would not be an exception

@wolfoflight 2 жыл бұрын

I had been telling people to doubt after the wheel of time and even brought proof, glad that people are seeing the same now.

@Hieroglyph777 2 жыл бұрын

Same.

@mattwilson2998 2 жыл бұрын

"I have become death, destroyer of lore." --Rafe Judkins Good luck, LoTR fans.

@brothanumpsie6107 2 жыл бұрын

I am no longer excited and will skip this series. If how they handled Wheel of Time is any indication, I am not surprised one bit this will not go as any true fan would have I hoped. Oh well, we will always have the books and honestly, I think that is better at the end of the day.

@BigIronEnjoyer 2 жыл бұрын

Given how Amazon handled Wheel Of Time, I am not optimistic for this. I was very excited that they picked up and revived The Expanse too, but frankly I was underwhelmed with the last 3 seasons there too, especially given that they're just ending the show well short of where the books are. More broadly, I'm really losing patience for fan-bait movies and shows that are just coasting on the built in audience of beloved IPs, rather than doing anything new - Disney Star Wars, this Lord of the Rings project, a bunch of Terminator reboots, the increasingly absurd Jurassic World movies. I swear these idiots are going to try and remake Jaws soon. It's all the entertainment equivalent of fast food: super easy to put out and bad for the consumer. Probably why I've been spending like $50 a month on audio books lately - that's the only place any thing new and interesting is happening.

@jayoyo1001 2 жыл бұрын

Let’s not forget what happened in the ending of Game of Thrones.

@ATroubledGreensLibrary 2 жыл бұрын

I’m beginning to think Celeborn won’t even be in this show. I was looking forward to seeing their relationship but I think it’s not a stretch to say that he won’t be in it since this is now the Galadriel show.

@johnmarshall6702 2 жыл бұрын

Which is great for me, as she's my absolute favorite fantasy character.

@redinthesky1 2 жыл бұрын

I just went through this situation with Wheel of Time. Amazon wasn't looking for people with creativity or skill in crafting shows with intelligent, detailed, writing. They just needed people willing to make a basic fantasy with the names of extraordinary characters and inject tepid 'political' situations into it. This approach is so tired and so fake, I can smell it from a mile off. I've been burned so frequently by it at this point that it's tainting my views on inclusion; I just don't get why we can't have it in a story without having to make the story itself about it.

@PaulJohn01 2 жыл бұрын

Oh i'm finally on the last book of the series been reading them for what seems like an Age ! Guess i won't be watching Hollyweirds political/cultural propaganda version.

@Quaaludio 2 жыл бұрын

but that makes you wacist...lol

@necrosunderground 2 жыл бұрын

"Tell a story Tolkien never wrote" is a veiled admission that this is just a fanfiction, and a bad one, at that. I didn't want to get my hopes up about this series, and this is the exact reason why. As far Peter Jackson taking liberties with the books when he made the trilogy, I've never had a problem with about 95% of the changes he made; by and large, I felt he fleshed out a lot of things that the books hinted at, as well as successfully making both Boromir and Gollum more nuanced and sympathetic characters. Were there some things I wish he'd left alone, or kept in that were omitted? Yes, but at the end of the day, what he gave us was a faithful and epic retelling of the story, and for that, I'm glad. And that is far more than Amazon is about to give us. And I'm not gonna get into The Hobbit here.

@jayaguilar2031 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah cause he mailed it in when it came to tge hobbit lol. It should have been 2 movies. Thats it! But noooooooo money & greed always root their dirty little heads. Not to mention lazyness.

@callumbush1 2 жыл бұрын

Jackson is a hack who butchered the books

@Tar-Elenion 2 жыл бұрын

Tell a story Tolkien never would have written...

@necrosunderground 2 жыл бұрын

@@Tar-Elenion exactly

@necrosunderground 2 жыл бұрын

@@jayaguilar2031 money and greed from the studio, definitely. Jackson phoned it in because he never wanted to direct it. It was supposed to be Guillermo del Toro, but while it got bumped around for rewrite and things weren't moving forward, he and his wife had a baby, because it looked like it wasn't going anywhere. Then it gets greenlit, and del Toro backed out, because two or three years of filming in New Zealand was too much with a newborn (and I honestly don't fault him for backing out under the circumstances), and they dropped it in Jackson's lap. You can tell he wasn't invested in it, but I don't really blame him, either, he didn't want it. But the studio pushed him into it, then figured they could milk out another trilogy with his name attached to it. If del Toro could have stayed, and the extra side story crap had been cut, I think we would have gotten a very different and more beautiful product. But no, studio sez milk them nostalgia feels and shoehorn Legolas into it, and hey, how about a spicy elf-dwarf romantic subplot that totally didn't exist and added nothing to the story. I really wonder if Jackson didn't just say "sure, whatever, let's just get this over with".

@CarParts08382 2 жыл бұрын

Found you via Nerdrotic's mention. 👍 I've always wanted to learn the lore of Middle Earth & have procrastinated for far too long. Amazon's push of their mediocre product has only made me seek out channels that discuss its lore. Thank you for your perspective and glad to be here.

@NerdCookies 2 жыл бұрын

First of all, thank you for checking out the channel! I did a bunch of second age lore videos but it appears those won't have much bearing on what happens in Amazon's show... I'm still quite proud of those videos and loved the opportunity to dive into those topics. Hope you enjoy! Also, do you happen to remember when or on what live stream Gary mentioned me?

@ZatoichiBattousai 2 жыл бұрын

I just want more Carnival Row, sounds better then this disappointment 😪

@kennethcook5939 2 жыл бұрын

Agreed! At least it was an original show with it's own characters and world building.

@charleslathrop9743 2 жыл бұрын

Expensive and BAD fan-fiction, but we use the term "fan" as loosely as possible in this context.

@rahn45 2 жыл бұрын

Counter-point: It's not fan-fiction, it's a multi-million LARP session.

@christhegeek1883 2 жыл бұрын

I agree. After seeing what we have seen so far, hearing what we've heard from those involved and knowing the past track record of how previous beloved franchises have been handled. My hopes for this series have quickly diminished.

@lab483 2 жыл бұрын

The way Amazon abused the 'Wheel of Time' I will avoid this unless your Nerd Cookies review praises it and then I'll only risk it telling myself this is not Tolkien but a 'new' fantasy show.

@NathanSmith-ei3hc 2 жыл бұрын

Regarding your "adaptations" of WOT and seemly LOTR. Amazon, you need to adopt the following slogan... "One Company to Ruin Them All". 😁

@Zotrax1946 2 жыл бұрын

So true! Your point on the passage of time being an integral and important part of the story itself, is spot on👌🏻

@danesawchuk8632 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for shedding light on these issues. I had no idea after some of the trailer breakdown videos that covered the vanity fair piece but make no mention of the fact they have no rights to the source material in which the story takes place. While I am still excited for the show it makes no sense to me why they would agreed to this without those rights. Anyway thanks again for all your great content. Cheers

@dekrev 2 жыл бұрын

Nailed it - thanks for the video! ❤️

@wd2989 2 жыл бұрын

Excellent to point out the fallacy of the binary choice the show runners mentioned: either produce a “2nd age documentary” where mortal characters die off every 200 yrs or “compress the events to occur in a single point of time”. That irritates me!! It’s not an either/or decision. It is just all they can fathom creating given their present day skill and experience.

@kevinjs26 2 жыл бұрын

It's weird because they're trying to tell the stories that are detailed in the books they do not have the rights to. They're grabbing scraps in the appendices and filling in the rest. It's just going to be fan fiction. I feel so bad for JRR Tolkien.

@Nocuadra66 2 жыл бұрын

Tolkien created a massive and detailed world. There's so much history and opportunity to create stories within the boundaries of Middle-Earth's history. If Amazon wanted to create stories within this I would be fine with that. But to recreate beloved known characters backstories and change them is lazy and asking for trouble. Gladriel and Elrond should not be touched. Create your own characters and do what you will within the lore. How hard is that? There are dozens of characters and world events Tolkien has mentioned that easily could be used to create fantastic stories from. I'm sick of lazy writing.

@beoxsgaming9388 2 жыл бұрын

I think it's a new level of "you done messed up" when one of the sweetest people on KZfaq is politely criticizing your decisions.

@andrzejfilipczuk1136 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for honest, well researched review. Rational and classy without hating, raging and swearing. You've found the best description - "most expensive fan fiction". No need for calling the troops to war.

@doublep1980 2 жыл бұрын

There so many baffling things about this upcoming show. -It´s supposed to be the "most expensive tv-series ever produced" and yet: a). the cast are all nobodies, b). the producers/showrunners are 2 guys from JJ Abrams´ "entourage" with next to zero credits on IMDb and c). it looks cheap af, despite having such a high budget. -They want to make a show about the Fall of Numenor & the creation of the Rings of Power, but they didn´t buy the rights to the Silmarillion but have bought the rights for the Hobbit, LOTR and appendixes. Why would you do that?! - They want to make the show in a similar style of GoT, when GRRM himself would be the first to tell you that this is a stupid idea. He has explained that he wrote his ASOIAF books in a completely different style of Tolkien, because I quote: "...I realised that I could never write anything on the level and in the particular style of Prof. Tolkien and decided to NOT write a pale imitation of his works, because I have too much respect for him & his work." - They want , their show to "reflect the modern world...." The whole point of Fantasy is to ESCAPE the modern world.

@Greymist73 2 жыл бұрын

Cracking good video NC. Very balanced and informative summary of the whole situation. TY

@RedTSquared 2 жыл бұрын

Well, to be honest... I never expected them to do a true to the Lore show. With all the Book to Movies that have come out lately, I just expected a 'Fan Fiction' Adaptation. I will watch and see if they at least do a good job with the Graphics, Costumes and Writing. I'll at least Hope for the Best and Expect the Worst. Thanks for the Video!

@anonymousrex5207 2 жыл бұрын

If casting was their primary concern, then there are many ways they could have told the story to avoid long term problems. The elves are immortal, so they could have told the story from their perspective and made humans or other mortal characters more secondary so it isn't awkward or weird to see new human characters... plus it would keep the story intact. They would have told a different story from a different period each season, so the mortal cast would only change from season to season and the elves and other immortal characters would be the same and provide a consistent narrative. They also could have picked a specific period of time where a lot of things were happening and told that story over several seasons. I am more perplexed by the fact that they are trying to tell a story from a time period where they are missing most of the information due to not having the rights. Why bother even going there when you are going to be handcuffed from the beginning on what story you can tell? That's the part that makes it sound more like a cash grab than a legitimate attempt at adapting the source material, which is the frustrating part. Knowing that the series could be really good, but even more casual fans will be put off by the missing elements or drastic changes and get frustrated with the narrative (like what just recently happened with Foundation) and not want to watch.

@palemedes965 2 жыл бұрын

Great reporting on your part. It gives me new insight on what to expect. But, since not many know much about the 2nd age, they might be able to create something new. I will wait and see what they make to see if I like it. I would expect that those who are well versed in the 2nd age, as created by Tolken, might be disappointed.

@ThatEnglishGent 2 жыл бұрын

Idk why this video didn't appear in my subscription feed. Good thing I follow you on Twitter to know this video came out.

@Enriqueguiones 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you VERY MUCH for your raw honesty. Keep being so amazing!

@JMclaughlins 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for this video! You eloquently summed up the feelings of many fans.

@amandanield5380 2 жыл бұрын

speaking of stewards, this sound familiar? The fans : "Authority is not given to you to deny the lore of Tolkien's work!" Amazon : "the lore of Tolkien is MINE and no others!"

@NerdCookies 2 жыл бұрын

Can I use this?

@piercethroughheart5700 2 жыл бұрын

Well said

@wolfman7284 2 жыл бұрын

To the issue of not having main characters through-out the seasons....I think it would be interesting to see an low-level elf befriend a young boy, let's use the name Derndan to make writing easier. Season 2 sees Derndan grow to manhood, marry, and have a child making his elf mentor/friend, becomes the "godfather" to that child. Each season after that could be the elf meeting and watching over that family as they deal with what is going on in the lore of the world. Some of Derndan's ancestors coming at odds through evil decisions, some becoming heroes and explorers. I'm not a writer, but I would find that interesting. If the show finds an audience with a certain story/generation, extend that one into another half season.

@colin3015 2 жыл бұрын

It’s frustrating that in todays world you can’t dislike something for legit reasons without being labeled as toxic, racist, phobic or whatever. This became noticeable with Star Wars and the sequel trilogy and now it’s seen in LotR.

@michaelpipkin9942 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, that's why you laugh and say, fuck it. Nothing makes them more furious than you not caring if they are furious. I promise

@shanenolan8252 2 жыл бұрын

It amazing that people with no previous credits get Tolkien to adapt. And the lies about the second age rights or lack of them .

@sheevpalpatine2128 2 жыл бұрын

It helps when jj abrams destroyer of franchises, gets you the job because you worked for him once a decade ago.

@shanenolan8252 2 жыл бұрын

@@sheevpalpatine2128 sounds like it

@anzakson 2 жыл бұрын

Excellent dissection ,@Nerd Cookies! I thoroughly enjoy and appreciate your efforts in producing such excellent videos. Keep up your good work and keep well and safe.🙏😊

@scotthall9911 2 жыл бұрын

As a casual fan of the books, and avid LOTR extended edition rewatcher, I was supremely excited when I heard Amazon got the rights to make a TV series. However, on watching he trailer, I can state that I will not be watching this new show at release. I will wait for the reviews and viewership numbers before deciding if I will give it a try. I'd much rather Amazon had finished (properly) The Expanse (6 episodes wasn't nearly enough to end where they did, and they didn't even get to finish the protomolecule storyline).

@black487 2 жыл бұрын

I appreciated the old movies but I'm not even really a LOTR fan. But I like science fiction and fantasy in the abstract, and I love your Dune content. That being said, I even enjoy branching off to your peripheral content such as this as well. You're a great presenter and have a truly authentic takes and coverage of the SF/F realm.

@worldtraveler930 2 жыл бұрын

Yep, sounds like a whole lot of fan fiction to me!

@saharhelfi8228 2 жыл бұрын

i totally agree with you, im starting to be okay with the show once i started to think about it as a fan fiction only! let them do whatever, we still have his books and memory, they will never take that away or change it.

@Hinatachan360 2 жыл бұрын

I wouldn't call it fan fiction. The show runners and writers made it clear they are not fans of Tolkien.

@famgod8318 2 жыл бұрын

I too was excited when I first heard of this, but unfortunately my hopes have been dashed by this vanity fair article. I will still give the first episode a watch, but if it’s not following the lore, as much as this article is saying that it won’t be, I doubt I’ll be able to sit and watch it without getting annoyed.

@GreatGreebo 2 жыл бұрын

I am dreading this series. The show runners think they can “write the novel Tolkien never did” (paraphrase)?!? and they only have the rights to LotR, appendix D and The Hobbit BUT they are setting it in the Second Age?!? Not to mention the short haired elves, beardless dwarves and losing THOUSANDS of years?!? HARD NO for me. The total disrespect for Middle Earth and it’s lore is shameful

@CounciloftheRings 2 жыл бұрын

I appreciate hearing your opinion about the whole thing! Thanks for taking the time to cover it🙏

@AskiyaIshaq20 2 жыл бұрын

We should blame the director and the producers but we shouldn't blame the actors most of them are just doing their jobs I hope the actors don't get death threats when the show was announced I was in crying with happiness but when they said they would make some changes and when the trailer drop I was crying in sadness I was a fantasy fan for years but my only hope for a fantasy franchise is the Netflix Narnia show and the live action avatar the last airbender

@TheVagabond627 2 жыл бұрын

Oh, you know they will

@AskiyaIshaq20 2 жыл бұрын

@@TheVagabond627 what do you mean by that

@TheVagabond627 2 жыл бұрын

@@AskiyaIshaq20 actors receiving threats. This is the internet after all

@Quaaludio 2 жыл бұрын

why are you crying about hollywood garbage? they don't care about you.

@aagrollmus 2 жыл бұрын

a documentary style series ... within Jackson's take and vision would've been amazing!

@Xenophon1 2 жыл бұрын

"Not the beard!!" - Gimli

@SEKreiver 2 жыл бұрын

Great clip and great analysis!

@LukeBunyip 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the update. From what you've said, it doesn't look promising. However, there's still a great story out there to be told, and as per lore and cannon. Maybe one day...

@maxheadroom4659 2 жыл бұрын

It has nothing to do with Tolkien except the names. Once they compared it to game of thrones I knew they had no idea what they were doing with the IP.

@raewynm5709 2 жыл бұрын

Amazon has no tespect for Tolkien! "Evil cannot create anything new, they can only corrupt and ruin what good forces have invented or made." - J.R.R.TOLKIEN

@SingularMK 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the info. This kind of news is rare this days.

@danieldb631 2 жыл бұрын

"Fan-fiction" would imply they are fans of the work. They are demonstrating and practically admitting they are NOT fans of Tolkien's work. JD Payne speaks as though this is just a cash grab and he already expects failure. Just goes to show, when you don't care about what you're making, neither will your audience.

@TheoryMaK15-255 2 жыл бұрын

As Someone that uses common sense to see beyond the veil of corruption, this Altering is something that is Sacred to Geeks and Nerds all over the world. Including Religious and Atheists That adopted this book for spiritual Reference and Its Allegory of Good V, Evil of Morality and Hornor is Devastating... Soya Very Heart Broken and Sad...

@PersonalityMalfunction 2 жыл бұрын

The only thing I take issue with is calling it "fan fiction ". I don't think the writers of this tripe are fans of JRR Tolkien at all. If anything, they are fans of themselves and cash. Nothing more.

@kevensorbot3203 2 жыл бұрын

The rhetoric from these showrunners sounds extremely similar to the Game of Thrones showrunners, who failed miserably to create a compelling, coherent story once they ran out of GRR Martin's source material. The show has a chance to succeed, of course, but I feel that chance is dwindling with every new revelation.

@user-rv4wn5qk7q 2 жыл бұрын

They are in fact Stewards of Tolkien, but they are basically Denethor in the Trilogy.

@balazra 2 жыл бұрын

Amazon : look at this massive shit were polishing!!! Everybody : that’s just a fart.

@marknovak6498 2 жыл бұрын

Sounds like the same fiasco we had with Azimov's Foundation Series. They spend more time to meeting some watered-down cast protocols than telling a story that makes any sense.

@cesare.lopezelll8122 2 жыл бұрын

Ya I have been concerned for some time now and that there has been more info released recently those concerns have grown I sadly fear these series will have quite a bit of lore changed and or removed

@rachelblack314 2 жыл бұрын

Amazon is the small fringe minority. Amazon underestimated Tolkien fans

@lordpappanqui 2 жыл бұрын

Fan fiction, true to Tolkien's writings, or somewhere in between, I don't care that much..... Just want to watch this series. Period. Thank you. :)

@teamdinosaurs999 2 жыл бұрын

Amazon did this with wheel of time as well. They are just wokifying classics to secure a younger more progressive demographic. Wheel of time did fairly well in viewership and it's possible LOTR can be a mega success too, even if the more faithful fans hate it.

@toddbradford4700 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah but consider this. They badly butchered the Wheel of Time series despite the fact that THEY HAD THE RIGHTS TO THAT BOOK SERIES. They don't even have the rights to any of the stories for the time period they are setting this in. The names of a few people and places will be the only similarity between this and anything Tolkien created.

@shade38211 2 жыл бұрын

Two rivers was a town isolated for 2000 years and somehow has minorities. Unless your were never allowed to date someone from another street the town would have had to become homogenous. The bigger problem for me is somehow the power dynamic has shifted so much that the male characters are dumb , useless, and solely responsible for screwing up the world. Now they need a Pakistani women to become the dragon and lesbian interaction is main plot line. After watching last few episodes I researched the writer and realized just another activist. These people cannot create or write their own best selling book or movie because no one would watch or read.

@josephlamonica4167 2 жыл бұрын

How come "angry" Elaine sounds almost like laid back Elaine but with a bit more oomph.:P JK great video as always.

@piotrskodowski7544 2 жыл бұрын

I must say rethoric sorrounding this show raised a lot of red flags for me. And after their reveal of character detail and total disregard for a timeline I just totally lost interest.

@cowboyboots9901 2 жыл бұрын

While I think Young Galadriel is pretty, it doesn't make since that when Galadriel left the Valinor she was over 1000 y/o and after the end of the 1st age over 1590 y/o. So why the Young Galadriel? It would've made more sense to get Cate to play her. And WTF about Young Elrond?

@ninjabreadman8166 2 жыл бұрын

You woke up today and chose eloquent savagery >:D Yes, this "adaptation" looks to be nothing more than expensive fanfiction made to become the next Game of Thrones, while also being both lore-breaking and politically-charged.

@sethman75 2 жыл бұрын

Great video and agree 100%. The fact they wan to focus on one small portion of the second age has to be down to sheer laziness and cost saving. They don't want to recast. Thing is many of the characters endure the entire age so there would always be continuity. This is going to fail so hard it may even over take The Wheel of Time from it's mantle of the worst adaptation of a treasured world.

@soapbox3141 2 жыл бұрын

With a little tweaking, this show could easily be an excellent Dungeons And Dragons series.

@vankerdash 2 жыл бұрын

Evil cannot create anything new, they can only corrupt and ruin what good forces have invented or made.

@UncensoredScion Жыл бұрын

I've seen everyone point out how they keep mentioning their connection to the Tolkien Estate yet no one actually hit on the truth of that term. They mean Steven Tolkien, the one person who hate's being associated with his grandfather's works and actually says it should be scrapped.

@blackburn1111 2 жыл бұрын

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure I've heard that Tolkien and his family never gave any rights for any of the books to be adapted to the screen except The Hobbit and the three LOTR books?

@Rogue_VI 2 жыл бұрын

I think calling the Amazon show fan fiction is being generous. I have a feeling they aren't fans at all.

@Kevin_Street 2 жыл бұрын

Thank for this great video. I was going to say that we shouldn't be so negative based on a single trailer, but the problems you discuss in your video are very well founded, and you express (more logically and in far greater detail) the same reservations I have. I think the central problem is in the second quote from that Vanity Fair article. "...but we're going to tell one story that unites all these things." Imagine if somebody did the same thing with real history. Like what if they made "Rome: The Series." A single story that starts with Romulus and Remus in the pilot, climaxes with Romulus becoming the first (and only) emperor in season three, then ends with a couple of seasons of decline and the main characters killed off by Vandals in the finale. All of the famous Romans and 1300 years of history condensed into one story about one group of characters, based off some encyclopedia articles. Of course real stories set in ancient Rome don't do this. They take a single era from history (usually one of the more famous ones) and bring it to life. The Rings of Power people should have done the same. Even then they may not have had enough material in the appendices to tell a complete story, but at least it could be a series that felt like Tolkien's work.

@thatotherguy8138 2 жыл бұрын

Your title says it all - the most expensive FAN FICTION ever made.

@BradM1970 2 жыл бұрын

I thought they only had access to the appendices?

@barrycarter9289 2 жыл бұрын

Really enjoyed the video .. Thank you

@XiahouJoe 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for being honest about to many big LOTR channels are accepting of it for content and acting like the dog in the room on fire saying "It's fine" and we all should be about it. Its a woke broke train wreck. I feel sorry for channels that would like to cover it like yours but its going to be pain incarnate to watch and do so.

@XiahouJoe 2 жыл бұрын

FYI Critical Drinker does a great explanation of this.

@TheVagabond627 2 жыл бұрын

Even though she didn’t mention “wokeness” once

@rpgadventurer32 2 жыл бұрын

@@TheVagabond627 She doesn't want to get into the more controversial elements of the debate, even though they're not controversial to the vast majority of us. I understand her position, but even if you completely ignore the other points, the things that she did mention here are enough to heavily criticize this production. It's clearly done by people who don't care about Tolkien or his works at all. They could've avoided most of the backlash if they were open and truthful with the fanbase in the first place, if they didn't attack the fans, if they gave respect to Tom Shippey and used a different marketing approach and delivery of information. I'll watch the eps with a critical eye and it's on them to bring the fans back to their side because right now there's a heavy backlash from all over the world against this production.

@kaml5076 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you someone finally said the magic word… Fanfiction, billion dollar fanfiction. If we stop seeing this as cannon then it can actually be a really cool fan fiction.

@molek5823 2 жыл бұрын

Jar Jar Abrams shadow casted on another franchise's destruction!

@blacknapalm2131 2 жыл бұрын

All we need to know about the direction and aim of the show was revealed by the 'diverse experts' video they released then deleted a few months ago. *It was so cringe it made me nauseous. This is NOT Tolkien.*

@RogueEva 2 жыл бұрын

Imo it's horendous from the beginning, creating a show on loophole of what they can and can't do. Pure disrespect of the author combined with lazy writing. They could make series focusing only on Harad let's say - it's not docummented in the books, they could be as diverse as they can, they could have any message, because we don't know why Harad alligned with Sauron. Instead they're fucking with established characters, lore and races, accusing fans of racism and trying to justify why they have dwarves wit no beards :))

@markrossiter9257 2 жыл бұрын

Sorry about your disappointment...seriously, love your videos. Peace

@ttzimas 2 жыл бұрын

We can SIMPLY watch it, rate it on IMDB and continue our lives. I personally believe that its going to be OK, and thats enough for me. OK is better than shit :P

@agc4556 2 жыл бұрын

What do they mean by not meeting major Canon characters until the 4th season? If you're doing the 2nd age and the fall of Numeanor the characters are all in place, unless they're talking about bringing in characters from TLOR like Aragorn and Gandalf, in which case this is going to be a complete mess.