Mmmmm. I can't wait for more of those Microsoft Word benchmarks. ;)

Who's in team red?

13900k already better

Well, don't forget to bring a fire extinguisher with you in case 13900k could overclock

@@MarcoGPUtuber 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

It'll be nice if Intel 12900K was compared against.

Thanks! 😭

I wanted one until i saw Der8uer delid it and get 25c better cooling. The IHS is trash, i hope it's better next gen

Wow, thank you!

Actually, much better than GNs review of the 7950X. GN did not include the 3950X in their 7950X review benchmarks, which I found quite weird. The type of person who buys a 7950X very likely either had a 5950X, or a 3950X before, because they need flagship multicore performance, and are interested in knowing how much uplift the 7950X brings compared to their current CPU. So not including the 3950X in the 7950X review benchmarks was a bad decision from GN.

@@Tystros the main issue is INTERCONNECT and how that R9 series "access" utliizes and inherently needs to pump voltage to activate dorant cores/ccx/zencores to utilize a cache/pool to in turn access and cache system memory. Its still an INHERENT "design flaw" principle that amd has on the table vs intel as far as gaming or high data throughput/load based computing. WHICH also applies to the potentiation of the X3D "design". Its IMO why the 5800x3d Was at a "tighter" operating range bc....a wider clock speed/range of operation leads to INHERENT latency....as voltages ramp up and down...purely for utlizing "dormant" cores for background processing or ram/cache intercommunication and chipset etc communication. It was also a common aspect among the laptop market...considering ive owned 3750h/asus laptops/tested, and 5900hx....as well as owning/KEEPING a 9750h laptop and 10750h laptops by comparison to the AMD laptops i wound up returning. AMD requires a lot of end user optimization for a TRUE ideal endgame experience. Granted my 5900x is ran stock bc i like its operating capability and temps out of the box since its got a factory "tighter" voltage curve than a hotter 5800x out of the box which needs pbo2 or core voltage optimization to be IDEAL. ESP in itx builds. Either way fact some ppl can get a 3950x for near 350$ makes for a DYNAMITE gaming+workstation at that budget. Gives a lot of ppl ACCESS to "potential" they otherwise never had. I saw this interconnect issue from the 5900hx to the 3950x to the 5900x...from ccx design to zencore etc...its why i wont be getting into amd/x3d until they can "Solve" this concept granted zen3 is pretty good and the current state of intel i presonally dont need an upgrade but to others....thinking of going amd...id consdier an "entry level" cpu or etc if you dont need a massive work/horse of a cpu. IMO amd may offer a solution to this interconnect issue more or less "around the corner" of our potential future....and if that happens IT will be the "one to own". To Ideally build around and would be a system that would hold up for a GOOD chunk of years from a gaming and WORK/Productivity standpoint. AS API get further developed win11 and dx12 ultimate become more mainstream and developers are more orietned with the "potential" the industry is leaning towards as well as aspects like hardware acceleration and async computing....this "NEXT" era of platforms will be GAME changing...as well as usb4 or type c interfaces and their THROUGHPUT. The SCALE of these implementations From developer to end user is going to be massive. The way sandybridge offered HUGE gains to gamers...and DEVS had end users/data that was far more VIABLE for their development cycle than the systems prior.

What's the point then? It's not like a magical force is in play when you increase your GPU load. Different people making different benchmarks will also sway the results more in favor of CPU/GPU.

Thanks! 👍

id be happy with a 3080 coming from 1080

If thats your budget man id go for a AMD 7000 series gpu. Unless your using pc for productivity then amd is way better. 4090 is really the only "worth it" 4000 series gpu.

I also have that same Ryzen CPU & I'm using an RX 5700 XT with that. I'm planning to upgrade to either an RX 7900 XTX or the RX 7950 XT. The last Nvidia card I had was a GTX960 lol :P Update: Apparrently there are gonna be more powerful GPUs like the 7990XTX from AMD, but it might only get released at the end of next year. :/

Same CPU here. Do you have micro stuttering?

@@Helios.vfx. sry I have no idea what micro stuttering is, but it has been working fine those years i would say.

Thanks a lot 😊

Glad you enjoyed it!

don't just don't this cpu is an oven

@@nico_fr6743 I want to upgrade my 9900k and just looking at power consumption I want to buy the 5950X, seems more reasonable. I would buy the 7950X if the performance difference wasn't at the cost of high power consumption.

5950x is king 105w....7950x youll be spending a fortune to cool it

@@seeeLAH1 not true, its really doesnt get hot as they say. While i do have a noctua d15 cooling it, my cpu fans are almost always on low and it never passes 80° even when running spotify, multiple chrome windows, cyberpunk 2077, and various background tasks since my pc is productivity. (Damned adobe ui)

This is my exact thoughts about upgrading from my 3950X … as such I’ll wait until 8/9 series

@maccadere1912 Yo, 80°? Holy Shit. Of course it's like they say, haha. Maybe not the hottest but still too hot in my opinion. Could lead to change the cooling pasta more often and being worried in summer

​@@kabosuinu the newer cpus are made to run hotter. If you dont want them to run as hot, you can set target temp in BIOS or do a curve undervolt without loosing a lot of performance. A small bit will be lost should be noted. However if you dont need all those cores, a 7800x3d does run very cool and uses very little power.

Clevo and their resellers have put 5950Xes in their top-of-the-line laptops, so it could still be possible with the 7950X, so long you don't mind battery life in seconds and an ungodly amount of heat.

Haha I'll wait to see how 13th gen does, I suspect it might be better for editing still with quicksync.

Something tell me that the Zen 4 Threadripper is going to make heavy use of 3D VCahche. I'm ready for 1/2 gig of L3 cache, gives ya enough to run the entirety of windows 98 in cache alone.

over the years it will be ryzen due to copmatibility ad cheaper costs on the apu

Watch linuses video on ryzen 7000 the 7600x its really dissappinting only 3 to 4 percent faster then 12600k

@@joshuajohn74 "oVer The yEar" same bulshit, amd fansboes brings over and over again? Nobody buys such processor like i5 12400 just for it to last 3 years lol They expect it to last 5-6 years, enough time to upgrade whole system

If you care about future investment then the 7600x is a no brainer, atleast its future proof especially with AMD supporting AM5 till 2025+

The 12400 is a great CPU and such good value...These new 7000 series Ryzen's whilst more than impressive do run hot and I wonder what sort of performance you lose if running just basic air cooling as all the reviews I have seen were running 360mm AIO's... Hopefully platform costs will reduce when the launch the B series motherboards. And the whole future investment is really a non issue as you will have two generations of motherboards and I tend to drive at least 5 to 6 years before upgrading completely. More importantly CPU's both from AMD and Intel are just so good now that they should last a longer time..

some of us run 532 word and powerpoint instances alright, bud? don't judge me 😛

id wait for the 9950x

@@seeeLAH1 Na I need a CPU upgrade and I got tired of waiting.

@@hardcorehardware361 yeah who am i to say .. i dunno what u do lol

@@seeeLAH1 I respect your opinion, my 3950x is holding back my 3090 and I run Linux VM's and needed another system.

Dang. Close to my build. Team Force 64 GB 3600 cl14 ram, Ryzen 9 5950x, Sabrent Rocket 2TB gen4 but with a Sapphire Nitro+ 6900xt instead of a 3080ti. X570 Gigabyte Aorus Master, Cooler Master Storm Stryker, Noctua DH-15, LG UHD Blu-ray drive, Creative Soundblaster AE-9 with Burson V6 Classic Single and Burson V6 Vivid Dual op-amps, rounded out with a Corsair RM1000 PSU. Using a LG Ultragear 34GP83A-B monitor. I built mine for everything.

hello bro. what is your video card? Is the 3950x still a good opportunity today? the price is very affordable for what I researched.

@@brunoalmeida5293 i’m still using my old gtx 1080, which is still fine for the games i play on 1440p. I think the 3950x may be a bottleneck if you plan on using top end graphic card, but for mid range gaming i think it’ll be fine.

And cheaper mobos too😭

IMO unless youre into content creation/development....i dont place too much emphasis on "upgrades/new tech" unless youre in dire need of an upgrade/or old build is RIP. As far as gaming there is almost minimal to no real world need for a system this "FAST" unless you PURELY prioritize MAXING out AAA games...most ppl that play PVE etc...bc multiplayer is generally a "REALM" where ppl dont even run maxed settings or even at times NATIVE resolution....they generally run a "mix" of what equates to better performance or frag/success viability....which already negates a lot of the necessity for "flagship" components. For most general/genuine gamers. Or ppl that play esporst/freesports titles, or multiplayer online gamers. Conversely If you LARGELY prioritize AAA and PVE titles....youd be better off with a skewed budget towards a 4k capble GPU ideal 12v rail psu...vs a 500$+ cpu...granted the inherent aspects of SYSTEM load in a 4k gaming scenario. It really changes how ppl should/plan/budget their build in this CURRENT "ERA"...bc a 5800x3d and "faster/more expensive GPU" is going to be better than a 700$ cpu and lesser GPU ultimately. And "high refresh gaming" is somewhat of a marketing gimmick esp on IPS panels. So a lot of ppl have been schilled into thinking they need 300 fps on QHD XD. VS the huge VIABILITY of per frame adaptive sync/monitors and how VIABLE this concept is for a "lesser sytem" esp on PVE titles where "latency/frame times" isnt remotely as much of an emphasis vs "multiplayer". With added emphasis of using a controller for some hack n slashers etc...and the inherent latency of that aspect already being on the table. FWIW i have multiple systems and had/sold/tested multiple in the past...my laptop/work setup...is a 4k amoleds OMEN with a 105w 2070s....and you can enable "FAST SYNC" ON THE 60HZ MONITOR and it plays games smoothly/better like BFV on 4k or 1440p at 60hz including frame times....than a "budget" desktop like a 3600 w a 5500xt...per ex. or a 3600 with a desktop 2070. While also doubling as a work system where you can plug to an external and effectively have a 4k amoled as your secondary monitor...not to mention how ideal it is for content/consumption and hack n slashers w a controller.

@@anhiirr it is for content creation, I rarely game on pc and never AAA. That 5950X was put a music visualization computer for my synthesizers.

Better anything than nothing :)

@@diuran1919 I just find the world an interesting place to live in, Intel Alderlake has full 2x512bit registers per P-core but fuses it off, and Zen4 doesn't have any 512 bit registers yet supports AVX512 😆😆🤣🤣

Thanks!

And also with the highest RDNA3 GPU with SAM (resizable bar) and everything, what is fo a full AMD system. ;)

@@Theworthsearcher Exactly. I'm pretty sure he'll repeat the same tests.

only good for one season lol

Probably early next year, more info here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gLuEgbl4xt_LaXU.html

Your hardware would be rendering the game at 1440p or whatever and upscaling it, so I suppose potentially the CPU difference may matter more similar to the 1440p results.

Well I'd buy the chip that's actually recommended for gaming and is cheaper than any of them. The Eco mode has been tested by PC World and performance is very good.

Similar thing people said about 4 cores just 5 years ago. Now it's 6 tittering 8 for some games. Add multiple screens and multiple applications being used while gaming. More cores makes better sense.

@@spetsru2906 Bad comparison, 4c/4t is NOT the same as 6c/12t with larger unified caches and higher memory bandwidth. People watching YT to self cripple while they're gaming with Live Chat eating CPU can simply run the nonsense on their phone, saving money on CPU.

So... 7600X then?

Buy 5800X3D for gaming.

The wattage is the heat. It's a matter of whether or not you actually need 16 cores. The 5950X isn't actually meaningfully faster than the 3950X in all core workloads at stock. You can get the MT perf up with PBO for more watts. It's specifically more improved at single thread and gaming, which isn't the target use for it in the first place. That is load power consumption, but the differences of idle power would barely be meaningful. Needing 16 cores is either to have it under load regularly, or using the density for virtualization. The 12900K will still occasionally lose to the 5950X in MT (while using more power), and the e-cores are crap for virtualization. The 7950X pulls roughly the same wattage under load as the 12900K, but is 40% faster. For what the 5950X costs now it probably is some what of a sensible upgrade if you really just want more ST perf. If you need the cores for real work and would begin to consider switching to Intel then AM5 makes even more sense. If you don't need the cores and want better gaming performance the 5800X3D is the cheapest best solution since you're already on AM4.

@@blkspade23 Thanks for the detailed explanation. I am not a gamer but heavy on Davinci Resolve, Lightroom and Photoshop in that order. 24x7 system running Plex server as well, for the family and nightly backups. My dilemma is whether to build a new system with the 12900K or just put in a 5950x or keep the 3950x

Understandable built my 5950 that way with 3080ti

Yea I own a 3950x myself, 7950x would be a pretty decent upgrade especially for video rendering etc but those board prices are very high. Real test will come with the 4090.

Fast forward to now and the 4090 is GPU bound at 4k in some games. I upgraded to the 7950x but skipped the 4090, 7950x is an awesome processor.

@@hardcorehardware361 hello bro. what is your video card? Is the 3950x still a good opportunity today? the price is very affordable for what I researched.

@@brunoalmeida5293 Hello Bro. RTX3090, the 3950x was holding my 3090 back a little at 1440p with a slight CPU bottleneck but games were playable but I wouldn't pair it with a 1080p monitor because the bottleneck would be quite apparent. 6800XT would be a good pairing with the 3950x or an RTX4070 if you're willing to spend the money but I would recommend a 6800 since depending on region would be great price to performance. Even a 6700XT or 6700 would be a great choice for the money. I still use my 3950x for Virtual Machines and for HTPC duties paired with an RTX3070 on a 4k TV, the CPU bottleneck is reduced significantly at 4k. 3950x is still a good processor and decently priced.

honestly i was happy with my 3800x for what i do...5950x is over kill... i think im done upgrading for awhile

Managed to get an excellent condition used 3060Ti for only $280 (+tax) yesterday on eBay! Was an absolute steal of an auction lol. Used 30 series have dropped quite a bit in price recently but the lower end models have definitely dropped a whole lot less overall than 3090s. You can relatively easily get a used 3090 for $800