With the unique aspect of dbd being the pairing of Asym combined with the lack of a consistent scoreboard that can be applied to all/most matches. If you have less kills on the leaderboard in shooters, 99% of the time you're playing worse than people above you. Hard to give second to second feedback on macro gameplay decisions.

Its like me literally today, healthy, not going to save the other downed survivor on the completely opposite side of the map, far away from the opened gate...well, because I was exposed by Rancor.

the most cursed design problem of DBD: playing well on Killer and playing well on Survivor are both incredibly boring.

LMAO Prevalent??? Players engaging on endgame chat on what went wrong or why did they lose is not prevalent or common at all. More than half of the player base has absolutely no idea why did they lose nor they care, they just move on. If what you said was actually true things would be different but player base is just clueless.

​@@werephantomsin15this is a boring take

"WATCH THESE AWESOME FLASHLIGHT SAVES ON MY LOW MMR CHARACTER!"

WATCH ME MAKE A BABY KILLER DC!!!!

I PLAYED ALL VERSION OF TWINS

I love how op mentioned “wraith” and instantly tribalism kicks in and people feel the need to express survivors can be toxic too. 😂 We know. it was just a dude making fun of the algorithm. You don’t have to run to “both sides” a comment.

@@Idontknowwhat2type what are you on about? theyre just jokes dude your thinking about it too much

Yep. I used to main survivor because I like playing with friends and also potentially meeting new people and friends through solo queue and overall, I like the aspect of working together with other people to escape the killer. So for like a year or 2 I would get annoyed by all sorts of things that killers did that I thought were "too oppressive" but I started playing a bunch of killer the past couple months and I started to see that it's not really that simple, and it gave me a much better perspective of both sides and I've noticed it's finally allowed me to tolerate things that I usually found annoying for one reason or another. People really need to play both sides more often.

"there is a reason why they don't play the other side" sometimes the reason is that people prefer one side than other, period. Killer is boring for me and also stressful against SWFs or better survivors than I am myself but still a lot easier than survivor (for me), but soloQ survivor is just painfull and yet I enjoy (or did) playing survivor more than killer (since I started play dbd and 60%+ on survivor, 40% on killer). [hmm I just realized I have masochistic tendencies meh]

Can confirm, I play through all killer challenges first and only do survivor challenges if I really need the extra rift fragments, never for BP. I used to play more survivor archives when I had a friend to play with, but now it's just me 😞

@@engi98 very similar to how I handle survivor challenges! I always make sure to do all of the survivor ones during events though (except a couple during the last one as we had excess cosmetic currency)

The way I do the Tome is weird, like a symmetrical pattern towards the end node i.e. left and right path towards the end. But it makes me play both sides fairly evenly so not complaining either 😛 Tomes also push you out of your comfort zone & learn other characters, I used to HATE facing Artist now I hate her less because I learned her strengths and weaknesses playing her for this Tome. Still annoying to face because of her anti loop & zoning potential but at least I know bird spamming gives her a long enough cooldown to dispel swarm in time

Just started playing killer at red rank currently and I’ve notice that swf can be tuff but most of the time I’m not going against one, and I realize if I don’t get a 4K or atleast a 3k hatch escape I did something wrong not the survivors being toxic. Haven’t played nearly enough but def can see getting use to killer powers and how to chase is a learning curve while survivor once your good your good

@@TheLogicalBeast I believe if everyone had a base experience of playing each killer it may also reduce toxicity because you have a better understanding of the skill necessary and struggles of each particular killer

Both sides could use a much better tutorial overall Like the tutorial should teach killers and survivors macro fundamentals like for killer learning to leave chase if it’s taking too long and for survivors learning how to loop and to save pallets to name a few

weirdly, I played killer only for the same reason. Since I didn't have any teammates, there's no one "on my side" to blame me for bad game or weird match decisions.

Extra bp for me it's useless, already have everyone P3+ ):

@@mitchsz ^^^ This. Bloodpoints become useless, need a better incentive

Dailies are intentionally killer sided, from the mouth of Mcote. Its to get the player base to at least play 1 killer game a day.

@@AmsterdamHeavy ahh I see, thank you! oops lol. So they do actually do this already for one side to a small degree kinda! I'd be interested to see something implemented on a bit bigger a scale like what was talked about in the vid :p

Be based an uninstall the game

@@hunterofdrangleic631virgin “I don’t have fun so nobody should play” vs Chad “play until you personally don’t have fun”

@@lapizcata6930 yeah, its called a majority of people who don't hate themselves realize the game isn't fun and uninstall the game.

@lapizcata6930 I just said uninstalling the game is the best option where tf did all of these words appear from about me not wanting others to play? The devs have no clue how to balance the game and it is same boring matches after 2k hours. Love how people complain about this game 24/7 and just keep sucking Behaviour's cock 😂

@@PatrickRatmanhonestly that sounds like a good thing to do; i am legit concerned by the number of people who carry on playing DBD while saying stuff like “you cannot have fun in this game” or “im playing because i hate myself”, like if something doesn’t bring you joy then stop doing it? Or go to therapy if you can’t? But also, move on with your life if you don’t enjoy it lol

Honestly heck this double standard lol, survivers whine about tunneling camping etc. just don´t want to learn how to adpat and only play in their way and sorry that I don´t play how you want to play.

@@aroace7913 Yeah, the "survivor rulebook" has become a meme that I bring up more and more often. I've had people complain about me dropping and briefly slugging survivors... when it's in response to one of them sabotaging a hook in front of me.

@@DrakoWulf yeah lol, like what should I do instead ? Let them wiggle of for free ?

@@aroace7913 They seem to have main character syndrome.

It should say something when I have more hate comments from DBD after one year of playing than from CSGO after 10 years. Its crazy really. Dbd players just seem to hold on to the grudge and take everything personally, never seen anything like it in any other game.

i consider voice chat to be a vector for toxicity far more than any in game animation you can do

@@ScottJund I feel like if a "/mute all" function exists all of that disappears, meanwhile dbd's problems cannot be solved easily.

@ScottJund I gotta respectfully disagree. I'd much rather be called names in voice chat then have a teammate trap me in the corner of the map for 5 gens and get a DC penalty if I try and leave.

I feel like 95% of players just don't do everything you listed though. There's also a lot more ways to grief in COD besides T-bags/VC.

@@maverickay5807 Even without the mute function you can still easily ignore what people are saying in the chat. Voice chat is the same way honestly but is generally way more toxic because people love chatting shit and taking anger out. You also don't even have to see the dbd chat so it's pretty similar to a mute function. It's also not often that you get trapped in a corner and that honestly seems like something only friends would do to each other if you could even manage to do it. Sandbagging seems way more likely and so does someone teaming with a killer both which don't happen often. The DC penalty is super small as well unless you're dcing every other game.

Yeah, that shit ain't gonna happen. lol

Very true but it's easier said than done lmao

@@aquila519 i just wished people would act civilized, since we are in this community all together, and just trying to enjoy something we all love

@@Catmiaumiauu371 you're absolutely right. But the community is dog shit and entitled and would rather blame the other side about losses and try to win instead of trying to have a good experience for both sides.

People don't like feeling like they're not in control, and a lot of situations in DBD lead to that

When I'm not playing DBD

I shall now be a toxic nurse main

​@@phillipw6374You're a hero

Liar

@@kuklusky3908good

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150 iri shards? I would play every single day. I have to play a couple of hours every day for 2 months in order to unlock a full 21600 cosmetic, imagine with 150 a day?? Man, I'd go crazy lol. But it's too much to be honest. The daily match reward is 300XP, they really need to give us a better daily reward. i'd say it should be 2000XP, that would be nice

Not sure ´´ Played ´´ is the right word since people technically could just kill themselfs on first hook or let the survivers escape without even trying.

@@aroace7913 they already do this tho

150 shards? Don’t start a business 😂

@@orakkeli Yeah sadly.

Well, in dota, you can just all chat the enemies during the game. You can't do that at all in DBD. Especially if you are a salty survivor who wants to call the killer who tunneled you out something rude but don't want to wait for the game to finish.

@@BreadAccountant They could still just type in the endgame chat, not like im going to see it on my profile midgame anyways

I have 1300 hours in DbD And around 25 pages on my steam profile. All toxic/salty comments from DbD 😂

Havnt even looked at mine 🤣 Love when people invite me to their "Survive with Vigins" group 😂 gatta admit, hasn't happened in about 2 years.

My steam comments are locked. One time someone found a picture in my account with public comments and left one there lmfao

And on the other hand, I have encountered disproportional more BM and jackass behaviour when playing killer, then when playing as survivor. Some people claim that the killers slug them and their teammates to bleed out every other game, and maybe thats true when you go out of your way to make the other sides experience as misserable as possible, but for me, a survivor who never BMs, I have bleed out deliberately like 4 or 5 times. But I encounter survivor BMing basically every single game. I swear, in every group of 4 there is at least one who can't "just leave" without rubbing it into your face. Yes, I could just chase them out, but if I don't there is a player who is waiting out the full timer every single game, and many defend this by stating "just chase them out, whats the big deal?". For me its a big deal, I don't want to feed their egos, I don't want to give them what they want, I don't want to interact with them when they have proven to be disgustingly sore winners. I am a bit killer biased, by I play a good portion of survivor and have finished every single tome challenge in the game, so I think I got a good grasp of the BMing situation on both sides. That aside, both sides have their fair chare of uncool people who just want to make the other side feel as misserable as possible, but the most fun games are those with fun interactions between the two sides that aren't driven by hate and vitriol. Like yesterday I chased a survivor into shack and they escape by the skein of their teeth and then they turn and we two just look at each other, no t-bagging. Then I look down on the floor in a slow and sad manner and the survivor gifted me their item, so I nodded and move back onto the map, chasing someone else. Its stuff like this that makes me endure all the BM and vitriol.

I dunno, especially when you're new if a bully squad just decides they're not gonna do gens there's a whole lot of saboing, flashy saving, pallet saving, and 16 second chance perks to go through before you finally manage to two hook someone and they decide to actually finish the game. Killers have leaving penalties too, after all. Compared to that at least survivors can kill themselves on hook.

​@dennisweiss6621 i usually go to close hatch, break pallets and walls, or afk staring upward and go watch a youtube video during endgame collapse. I like to think im wasting their time 😁

This is what I do when I play killer now. I will do the tome challenges or whatever special event that requires it and even then, I will do enough to complete the challenge and then farm. I could care less about the kills or winning.

Same The only times I actually care about a 4k is when I'm going for an adept. But even then it's a "If I get it, i get it. If not, whatever." kind of thing.

Yeah, we exist too but we're not the problem.

that sounds.......very complicated, but fuckin amazing to play

that sounds so fun

Probably because those are the games you play more than others? I also seem to find the games I play have more toxic communities than the ones I don’t. It’s almost like I don’t know how toxic those other games I haven’t played are…

random question but are your most played pvp games DBD, gta online, and the division 2?

I find it a lot in OW 2.

did anyone played league? Like its the most toxic community out there

@@loldavis6591 alot of assumptions u just made to justify making an asshat comment

lol

I´m not sure I would or anyone else would play both sides because of that.

@@aroace7913 Yeah but in general, I would argue that they would

Kinda like among us and those type of games where you don't know if you are the imposter till game starts, or they could even do a system that MOBAs do where you may get auto-filled if there aren't enough killers/survivors in queue so it forces you into the other role (but then protects you from that for the next game or two) while giving a reward for complying and obviously wouldn't force a duo to split, but more for solo players

The amount of afk killers or survivors giving up on start will increase dramatically at that point. I like the idea but I think it is coming from too much faith in current state of dbd community.

How IS a flash light save toxic??

Ok but kills is what gets you more hooks since a 3vs1 is easier to win that a 4vs1 in which 2 for example are on death hook.

@@aroace7913 I've outpace survivors in points many times AND they got the 4 man out. I still won, by my own standard, but they escaped. That means it was a good ass game

@@Spudmay Sure but letting people survive especially late into the game makes the game even harder in the long run.

@@aroace7913 I mean, I'm not trying to get everyone though. Just hook states and generator damage. If they blast through the gens and escape, but half of them don't get in chase... They don't get many points. You get shit for points for gens. I could kill one dude and possibly outscore the other 3 people