I still wonder how the show would’ve turned out if Tristan stayed. Sure, he was pretty irritating, but he had potential for incredible character development. Seeing him and Rory together could have changed him for the better.
@xiomyra17 ай бұрын
Maybe no Jess or Jess gets introduced at the end of season 2 after Tristan gets his storyline completed.
@vi-who-sims7 ай бұрын
If Tristan stayed Logan would’ve never existed. Rory and Logan would’ve been Rory and Tristan
@CristinaRosca-uc8xz5 ай бұрын
Finally somebody who doesn't adore Tristan just becouse of his looks.
@emmaselsing35312 ай бұрын
He was supposed to be Logan
@kateliness27 ай бұрын
I agree with the liking Tristan's potential as a character! I also think he and Rory have great chemistry when he is being less of a jerk.
@kateliness27 ай бұрын
Also not trying to defend his aggression. I just remember being interested in him and his character as well especially when I first watched.
@PensiveWhiskers7 ай бұрын
I can't help but agree. I like their interactions when Tristin is being good and I also like the scenes where Rory is annoyed with Tristin. I feel like Alexis Bledel gets flak for her acting sometimes, but I think she did a really good job playing someone who is ticked off at Tristin. The actors did have chemistry together and the scenes worked really well.
@callaendiaАй бұрын
@@PensiveWhiskersknowing how Rory's story was supposed to end and how it ended in A year of a life, I really wonder whether it was not Tristin that was supposed to be the father and would that not have happened much earlier on... perhaps not when she was still in high school, but I could easily see that during her Yale years... Don't get me wrong, I love Jess and I am really happy we've gotten to see his story, but I still think it would have been really interesting with Tristin.
@a-go-go197 ай бұрын
Tristan has always been such a wild character for me, I thought he was *bizarre* first watch, but rewatches make it really obvious they had much bigger plans for his character.
@naomismith12417 ай бұрын
I always kinda thought the logan story was originally meant to be Tristan as a college age kid. And originally it was meant to show him making (slow) progression like logan does while Rory starts falling behind (the boat and the DAR etc)
@PensiveWhiskers7 ай бұрын
It is interesting how much perception changes on rewatches. On my first watch, I think it was easier for me to like Tristin because there was this element of excitement, wondering where his character will go. On rewatches, I understand why so many people don't like Tristin because we know that Tristin's character doesn't go anywhere.
@christii_nee7 ай бұрын
@@naomismith1241logan’s story was actually meant for tristan so you were right lol,they only changed it since the actor left
@SlamJamMusic7 ай бұрын
tristan dugray is such a slay name tbh
@PensiveWhiskers7 ай бұрын
I haven't thought about that. That is a cool name.
@Anna-B7 ай бұрын
I never really liked Tristian, but I do think he could have had an interesting arc. Not as a love interest, at least at first, but maybe as a friend? She doesn’t have a lot of guy friends
@angelaholmes88887 ай бұрын
I couldn't stand Tristan but he definitely could had redemption arc
@PensiveWhiskers7 ай бұрын
That would have been really fun to see; Rory and Tristin becoming real friends. I think that would have added a fun dynamic to her Chilton life.
@rivendells_shona6 ай бұрын
@decimusvitaeI agree. I remember watching the series as a teen when it first came out and, once they’d moved past him perpetually trolling her, thinking they had good chemistry. I also felt he would have been better for her character arc in the long run than Dean and Logan. Who knows? With Tristan as her character foil, Rory might have grown up more. Alas, we shall never know.
@callaendiaАй бұрын
Nay, they would have never been just friends. Too much chemistry between then :)
@MrKyliekate177 ай бұрын
I believe the original plan was for Tristan and Rory to meet back up in college but the actor didn’t come back? Could just be a rumor I heard tho. I think that would makes sense tho as to why Tristan and Logan’s backstories feel similar
@naomigreen97497 ай бұрын
I do think that Logan is an "evolved" Tristan, who Tristan would have become after maturing a little. The characters are very similar and even look alike.
@Bella_loves_music7 ай бұрын
I think the story is that Logan and Jess were who Tristan could have been and because Chad Michael Murray left ASP split the character with Jess getting the more care free, street smart, pranker ( obviously Lots of things added but it seems from observation he got part of Tristan’s personality while Logan got the blond, preppy, rich ( sorry it’s been a long week but hopefully you get where I am going) but basically I see it as they bits and pieces from Tristan and divided it between the characters
@PensiveWhiskers7 ай бұрын
I heard that rumor too. I tried to do some digging into ASP's plans for Chad Michael Murray but I couldn't find a lot of information, but that could be just because I wasn't looking in the right places.
@nicoleb33717 ай бұрын
@@PensiveWhiskers It's always been speculation from us Tristan fans. Logan's similarities were really validating or us. To be honest though, ASP doesn't notice when she's repeating herself.
@radhiadeedou82866 ай бұрын
Yes apparently Logan was supposed to be Tristan, but Chad Michael Murray was in one tree hill
@AnnaGrace6037 ай бұрын
I was a shy introverted girl when I was rorys age. So I was kinda attracted to Tristan because he had that little of crazy and blunt and zero timid or submissive. My personal favorite bad boy after jess
@lilyswtnr2 ай бұрын
sameee i was very attracted to him cus he was the whole opposite of me
@TayahPrice7 ай бұрын
Omg Tristan crumbs 😭 but no seriously, when I first watched Gilmore Girls I was incredibly annoyed by his character and rolled my eyes pretty much whenever he popped up on screen, but upon further rewatches, I definitely started to see the potential and would’ve liked the full redemption arc/character development. It lowkey haunts me that we’ll never know how his and Rory’s dynamic would’ve evolved.
@PensiveWhiskers7 ай бұрын
Hahahaha, I know what you mean. There was so much story there. At least we got One Tree Hill out of it (I never watched it, but I know some people really liked that show).
@lauriecarson64837 ай бұрын
I don't understand how anyone think Tristan and Rory had potential when he was a jerk to her from the beginning. His behavior baffles me and his fans baffles me too.
@TayahPrice7 ай бұрын
@@lauriecarson6483 Ok. That’s your opinion, lol.
@fish_n_chipz7 ай бұрын
I always wondered how Rory's development would have been affected with his inclusion. Also, just in general dropped plotlines bc of departing actors always fascinate me. The one I always wonder about this show is if Adam Brody's character, Dave Rygalski, hadn't left the show, how would Lane's development be impacted? I love to imagine Lane would have gotten more screentime or at least more satisfying plot points but probably not tbh
@PensiveWhiskers7 ай бұрын
Dave Rygalski is another character that I really want to cover. Is it bad to say that I'm not optimistic that the show would have given Lane better plotlines even if Dave had stayed? They might have destroyed his character or their relationship if he had stayed. This comment is coming off really critical. 😖I'm not attacking the writers. I get that they have to create drama in order to make a show interesting.
@fish_n_chipz7 ай бұрын
@PensiveWhiskers 😭 At least her baby daddy wouldn't have been Zack 🤢 Seriously though this show treated Lane so badly it's not even funny. First her band loses out in having a successful career. Then Lane has sex ONCE and immediately becomes pregnant and has to give up on all of her dreams to raise her kids with ZACH 🤮🤮 There's a Madtv parody of this show that surprisingly accurately makes fun of the way Lane's character is neglected by the show, especially as the series goes on. Sometimes it just seemed like her purpose was to be there for Rory, rather than exist as a unique character. And yeah there's a good chance the writers would have assasinated Dave's character out of nowhere like this show likes to do to create drama, but atleast Lane would gave gotten another episode or two of happiness with him 😭
@PensiveWhiskers7 ай бұрын
Yes! I've seen the MadTV parody, very accurate when it comes to Lane. I agree with you in that if Dave had stayed, at least he would have been the main partner and not Zach and we would have gotten more cute scenes between Lane and Dave.
@SnapeArgento7 ай бұрын
I think the gg writers were never good when it came to couples, only rory and dean for like two seconds, but it was a lot more interesting the whole will-they-wont-they? on the romances (Luke and lorelai for example, the two were a lot more interesting before becoming a couple or the most obvious, jess and rory, he literally does the craziest things just so he can spend time with rory only for them to not have screen time when they finally get together and only have bad moments, the black eye, the dean fight, the Saturday night thing, etc) I think with Dave and lane it would've been the same, but with less emphasis on any of the story bc they (writers) never cared for lane's story and they suck for that
@PensiveWhiskers7 ай бұрын
I love the brutal honesty. I also think the GG writers didn't want couples happy (except for Babette & Morey). I think it might be because it's a lot harder to create good drama with happy couples than unhappy couples. I think it's possible to write a happy couple while still keeping the audience's interest but it's a lot more challenging so that results in relationships that have a lot of issues.
@dianaszuts3987 ай бұрын
I agree. I think he would've be willing to change - but yes, he is so amazingly problematic. But as a character he is fun to watch.
@PensiveWhiskers7 ай бұрын
Same here, I thought his scenes were fun. I think they added more to Rory's story about acclimating to a new school and created more tension for her and Paris.
@bibliofiliafull7 ай бұрын
I think of Tristan as a pre Logan.
@kkbang20007 ай бұрын
There was a Gilmore Girls fanfiction story on Wattpad I had read sometime ago, which had Tristan coming back into Rory's life after the show ended (Not the revival but original show). It was interesting to read one of the ways his character would have developed few years down the line.
@PensiveWhiskers7 ай бұрын
Oh interesting! Did he turn out for the better?
@kkbang20007 ай бұрын
@PensiveWhiskers I think so. I am not able to recollect if his past was addressed. But he turned out to be very good in the present.
@LegendaryCS47 ай бұрын
I was here to defend Tristian, but rewatching his behavior back as an adult instead of teen REALLY changes my perspective. Like, yikes?!? I def just had a crush on Chad Michael Murray when I was a child lmao
@TayahPrice7 ай бұрын
LMAO! Same 😭
@PensiveWhiskers7 ай бұрын
Yeah, when you put it all together, it's pretty bad. I was expecting to get a lot of hate in the comments about how I described him in "the bad" section. Maybe the criticism is yet to come. I don't like being mean to characters so I always try to find redeeming qualities or interesting qualities. I did think his character was interesting, even though he wasn't great.
@LegendaryCS47 ай бұрын
@@PensiveWhiskers 100% I think you were so spot in your argument that the writers were setting him up to be redeemed, then he got cut so they just replaced him with Jess. He was definitely becoming softer, caring, and sweet, but I must have just completely overlooked his previous actions as a child and thought he was just a dreamboat thru and thru lol
@pmbramucci10567 ай бұрын
I would have preferred his return over introducing Logan...or maybe to serve as a vs. to Logan.
@olivermiller58777 ай бұрын
He was still the lead on One Tree Hill so couldn’t have came back
@TheDarkAgez7 ай бұрын
I feel like Logan became what Tristin was supposed to be. They have so much in common (down to the blond hair) and Tristin would have more reflected Rory’s parents’ journey and this show loves its parallels. It also makes me wonder who that 3rd love interest would have turned out like (if we got one at all?) had he stuck around. A totally different 3rd archetype? Thanks for all the background info and deep dive! I assumed CMM went straight to One Tree Hill. What could have been…
@bef96127 ай бұрын
I agree that there is a trade in the show for the obnoxious jerk that eventually becomes relatable. I'm not sure if Jess should be perceived as less aggressive than Tristan. Tristan is more direct, but Jess is more manipulative, sneaky, and a liar.
@moon_on_the_clouds7 ай бұрын
Okay yay you are not one of those people who ship Rory with Tristin... which the potential could be there if the writers developed Tristin's character and the actor didn't have to leave. There is potential in his character but definitely as someone else wrote in the comments, it would have been interesting for him and Rory to become friends. I like how different aspects of him were given to other Rory's love interests - thanks for pointing that out!
@OldTownSkater886 ай бұрын
If Tristan wasn't rich and good looking, people wouldn't have given his behavior a pass. He did nothing but harrass Rory and taunt Dean. His refusal to respect Rory's boundaries, and refusal to take no for an answer were a huge turn off. He was a walking harassment case waiting to happen, and he wasn't worthy of a redemption arc.
@FoldyMoldy5 ай бұрын
I feel like Tristan Was interested in Summer, because they look so much alike. Her hairstyle in particular is a very Rory like style
@nicoleb33717 ай бұрын
I'm one of those shippers! Rory's dance was the first episode I ever watched, and when I saw him giving the longing look, I thought, "Oh I hope he gets the girl." It was years before I saw the beginning of the show when I got the series on DVD. I used to think he could have come back after military school, reformed. But I let that idea go. This show doesn't do character development for characters who are around for more than a guest appearance. It isn't great on continuity, either. More recently, I've been thinking he was just supposed to be like the asshole character in an 80's teen movie, but this show can't help but have all the guys fall for Rory. I still write Tristan/Rory fanfiction. Their high school background is a good trope for romance plots. I always thought he was redeemable, and that he's not bad to the core. I'm open to liking unlikable characters if they give me a reason (bad parents is the go-to Save the Cat move for this show; it's the signal that we're supposed to sympathize with the character now; frankly, it got old). I also like to see potential love interests not get along. It's more interesting to me. That's just how I like my fiction.
@PensiveWhiskers7 ай бұрын
Hey! I also feel like Tristin was modeled after the high school jerk trope. I like unlikeable characters that change over time or that clearly decide to be the villain and play the bad guy really well. The show does lean heavily into "bad parents" as a background for a lot of characters. I just figured that the show picked generational trauma as the overarching theme and so incorporated that theme into a lot of the characters. I could see how that would be frustrating for a lot of people, as it's a similar background.
@RachelRay6 ай бұрын
Pretty sure Tristan is just Logan junior with a required recast when the actor left for greener pastures (just like Lane's boyfriend's arc). So if we want to know what would have happened -it's just those later character timelines!
@wolfgarward92857 ай бұрын
First thank you for covering the show, I was kinda shocked how little there is about it on youtube and it's awesome to see someone go more in depth and these character pieces had been great so far. Girlmore girls had always been kinda special show for me, when I was teen it was only show I could watch with my mom that wouldn't drive the other one crazy and it became lifelong comfort show I rewatch every few years, especially earlier seasons. I guess I've been watching it for so long I grew up from having crush on Rory (I swear I can't tell why now...) to having crush on Lorelai (I know exactly why, I'm looking forward when you get to her to see if you might have the same theory I've been having for a while now) With that background out of the way to Tristin. I used to hate Tristin when I was younger until I realised he's perfect "fun to hate" character, a lot thanks to being so well acted. I think Logan also intentionally started out as seemingly very similar character. Sure with more thought and class but the thing of note is that Logan is also few years older and my theory is that in Tristin's age it's pretty likely Logan could've been very similar. It's not that hard to see Logan as Tristin that grew up, especially given the arc Tristin's character went through while on the show and I see it have been discussed here that could've been the plan if they were able to get the actor back. Let me go with different fun to imagine alternate version of the show then. What if Tristin came back but as Logan's foil instead, changed through the harsh military school experience and remorseful of his previous actions... or more likely as even greater brat given that's the usual thing that happens when someone is punished and traumatised even more in attempts to correct bad behaviour. Either way it probably would be more fun to watch than clumsy attempts to have "nice guy" Marty as Logan's foil instead.
@PensiveWhiskers7 ай бұрын
Hi! I'm happy that I get to add to the Gilmore Girls pool on KZfaq! I don't know if you've seen other channels that cover Gilmore Girls, but Serena Skybourne and Kierra Loves TV also have a few videos on the show. I've seen a few more out there that I would be happy to recommend if you are looking for more GG content! With respect to Tristin, it would have been interesting to have him come back as a foil to Logan. I have a feeling that the show wouldn't have liked that direction because of fear that the audience would perceive them as similar but I would have liked to see it. I would be curious to see how Tristin turned out after his military school experience.
@emilyvillagomez98597 ай бұрын
I’ve watched a couple of your videos, analyzing Gilmore girls and just wanted to say, they are really great. There a a couple points that I hadn’t even thought of until you brought it up. It was nice to get a new perspective. Keep making videos!
@PensiveWhiskers7 ай бұрын
Thank you! If there is anything that you notice that would add more context or different interpretations to the characters, please don't hesitate to share!
@emilyvillagomez98597 ай бұрын
@@PensiveWhiskers Will do!
@penneypetit7 ай бұрын
I love this. I think about this every re-watch
@bobafrap32537 ай бұрын
if he was ugly he'd be the most hated
@manticexpert7 ай бұрын
the pretty privilege happening
@lizzfg7 ай бұрын
I would have liked to see him in the revival at least and with a little more than just his back… but yes I think Tristan and David would have made Gilmore girls a lot better 🥲
@VioletEmerald7 ай бұрын
And David??
@PensiveWhiskers7 ай бұрын
I think the reference might be to Dave Rygalski? @lizzfg let me know if I guessed that right. From what I've read, Chad Michael Murray was supposed to come back for the revival but then the actor backed out, so they kept his scene with another actor. I would have liked to see him in the revival too.
@lizzfg7 ай бұрын
@@PensiveWhiskers yes, Dave Rigalski, sorry, because both actors left the show because of similar reasons but their characters were so good that I think the show would have been so different, I think...
@snoopstheboss9947 ай бұрын
To think there is a redemption arc somewhere.... That his friendship with Rory would better him.... Stories like this only further the myth that we can "change" the guy and that our emotional labour should be freely given. This would have been just another toxic storyline.
@PensiveWhiskers7 ай бұрын
To your point, I agree. I would have liked to see a redemption arc that wasn't caused by Rory. If I was the writer, I would have made him get into more trouble and in that downward spiral, he would have started to recognize the path that he was on. Since Rory is the protagonist, it's likely the show would have gone the other direction since he is a tertiary character and his character arc would have to tie back to Rory. In the ideal scenario, I think it would have been great to see him change without Rory's influence.
@snoopstheboss9947 ай бұрын
@@PensiveWhiskers There could have been outside forces, that is true. But to a certain degree the bad boy becoming "good" ( the reformed rake, the devil who cares.for a specific woman...) is still a trope that actively hurts women. We can not even over state how much romantic movies (and some books) show very unhealthy relationships and glorify them.
@PensiveWhiskers7 ай бұрын
I was thinking of something along the lines of American History X, not tied to women, but to a story of recognition of your own wrongdoing and understanding how your upbringing influenced a bad direction and how to break free from that.
@nttdung953 ай бұрын
the very unfinished story really drives me nuts. And really everyone like Tristin! hmmmmmm high school bad boy crush hahahah
@vellichor76766 ай бұрын
I despised Tristan as a character; was thrilled when, at last, he made his last appearance.
@thegamingfortresss6 ай бұрын
I suspect that Tristan was originally meant to follow the story arch that Jess ended up having. Troubled, acts out, womaniser turned into a deeper more sensitive guy that Rory has a soft spot for.
@OfficialSTJones7 ай бұрын
I’ve heard that Tristan was supposed to be end game for Rory but since he left the show, Logan was supposed to be his replacement. I don’t know about this theory. While it makes sense and Logan and Tristan are similar, I like Logan far better because he doesn’t antagonize Rory, he’s pretty nice to her when he first meets her unlike Tristan. Im happy Tristan left the show by no fault of CMM. I just didn’t like the Rory/Tristan romantic plot line. I was glad it didn’t go anywhere. In the revival, they get a completely different actor to play Tristan (because it’s not like anyone will notice he’s not Chad Michael Murray, right? 🙄) but other than the fact that he’s single and still obviously looking, there’s no more context than that.
@nicoleb33717 ай бұрын
I theorized on my LiveJournal years ago that he could have been the endgame if he came back (or didn't leave) because he'd have been the long game will-they-won't-they for Rory, because audience expectations would have forced it. But now that I know what the "real" ending was, I concede.
@OfficialSTJones7 ай бұрын
@@nicoleb3371 that’s interesting. Looking at it with the ending, it makes sense that they planned for him to be end game because they needed someone to be Rory’s baby daddy. Since CMM left, they needed someone so they got Logan.
@nicoleb33717 ай бұрын
@@OfficialSTJones Yeah, I don't really consider that the ending. They promised the opposite for so long (how many times did Rory and Lorelai insist Rory wouldn't get pregnant? They insisted she really was the great white hope. They promised and promised she'd go out into the world), just to slap us in the face at the end. I really don't even look at it from the perspective of the ending. I've always looked at it from season 4. It's just so obvious they didn't have a love life for Rory that year and made a desperate attempt to piece together something for her in the second half of the season-she told Dean goodbye at the end of season three, Jess was supposed to be on his own show. It was so piecemeal I was really confused why she was falling onto her bed with Dean. That was the same year CMM started One Tree Hill. Then Logan was so similar. Just seemed like that was the time Tristan should have returned for a new plot arc. I felt validated at Logan's first appearance (I knew why he was there), but then depressed because it wasn't just that CMM was unavailable. Tristan would have been redundant.
@OfficialSTJones7 ай бұрын
@@nicoleb3371 to be completely honest with you, season 4 is personally my favorite and the only thing that completely ruined that season for me was the Dean storyline. I liked that she was single and struggling with dating. It seemed realistic. They could have had Rory do so many great things and meet a different new guy or keep her single for season 5 but the Dean storyline ruined going in a positive direction with Rory, at least that season. You have great point that they kept insisting she wouldn’t get pregnant to the point where they made it clear that pregnancy grossed her out when Sookie had her baby after Lorelai and Rory went to throw her a baby shower. I had heard the show runner talk about the final four words even back then and she said she had that plan from the beginning so I found that interesting. I agree, Tristan just wouldn’t have been a good character if he’d stayed.
@nicoleb33717 ай бұрын
@@OfficialSTJones Yes, the final four words were "planned from the beginning" or whatever. The showrunner also pouted about the series not ending how she wanted because Rory was supposed to go out on a big adventure "which she sort of was" with the season seven ending. I don't mind that Rory was single and struggling in S4. They just don't do anything constructive with it. She never considered doing anything else. She didn't have to write outside her comfort zone on the paper. Did she have to make up the class she dropped? Her struggles were only used to push her into Dean's arms. And when I think Tristan should have come back in season four, I wouldn't necessarily want them to get together too early. He'd have to work for it. I always thought he'd have to act right and develop, be decent so it would make sense to the audience. I think making Logan's dad a big shot newspaper guy was a shortcut. Those of us who were waiting for Tristan were frustrated. Like, you want this guy? Thought he wasn't your type.
@angelaholmes88887 ай бұрын
Tristan definitely had the potential to become a good character if chad had stayed on the show i hope that if they do another revival i would like to see Tristan because im curious to see how much he grew up and changed like jess when i originally watched the show i couldn't stand him but as an adult you can tell he does have a destructive home life
@anyili31963 ай бұрын
I think if Chad stayed on the show, Tristan would evolve to become a Jess + Logan combined character. When they are in high school, they will have a relationship that didn’t really end well because Tristan still hasn’t fully matured yet. Then they will meet again after a few years in college and Tristan will go into the Logan arc.
@OzmaOfOzz3 ай бұрын
Its so sad to me that Paris had such a silly crush on Tristan when she could do so much better. I think Paris maybe recognises him as a "kindred spirit" due to the potential trauma bond. Both neglected by parents coming frodm rich families .
@AshleysAdvice6 ай бұрын
In my opinion I think that Logan is a good example of who Tristan could've been, they're both very similar characters in my opinion and Logan's essentially like a bitter version of Tristan, Logan still has his floors and I still have issues with him as a character, but if you comparing him to Tristan he is definitely the bitter version although they are both very similar characters.
@soscarlet3 ай бұрын
i can fix him
@PensiveWhiskers3 ай бұрын
🤣🤣🤣
@Buffy8Fan5 ай бұрын
I liked the show more without Tristan, but I think Rory would have treated him just as badly as she treated Dean, Jesse, Logan, and Paul if they got together, which seemed to be where the writers wanted to head before Chad Michael Murruy got _One Tree Hill_ and other recurring TV Shows and movie roles that took his time away from _Gilmore Girls._ And that's why it could feel like Tristan's unfinished story was broken up into other characters.
@heyheylistennow7 ай бұрын
He had potential tho
@LauraSomeNumber7 ай бұрын
Do we know if the order of the episodes was changed between filming and airing? Because it always feels like Tristan was meant to leave before Jess arrived but maybe it was changed to make it feel less like he was being replaced
@PensiveWhiskers7 ай бұрын
That's a good question. I always assumed that Chad Michael Murray officially left at the end of season 1 but then agreed to come back for one episode and the show writers worked around his schedule, which is why Tristin's departure is randomly placed in episode 9. Now that you raise this question, I could see the show filming episode 9 much earlier but then placing it later in the season so that it doesn't look too conspicuous that Tristin is passing the torch to Jess.
@xarenanotmyrealname41347 ай бұрын
Another reason people like Tristan is the actor and I'm not saying he's cute I mean he is, it's Hollywood so he couldn't be ugly but my point is that him and the dude from Cruel intentions are the only actors I've really seen pull off this kind of role oh and the third and final love interest from Crazy Ex Girlfriend. I've always been curious what could have happened if he stayed I like the idea that if he had him and Rory never wind up dating and are friends. You know you should do a video on Lane and her relationship with... You know her band mate guy who got her pregnant I'm sorry I can't remember his name, I say this because as I imagined Tristan staying in the show I imagined him meeting other characters like Lane and I couldn't help but think 'Tristian and Lane would be cute two characters who have nothing in common and never share a scene together have to better than the guy Lane did wind up with' and I know I'm not the only one who doesn't really like that guy... Whose name i can't remember which if anything should prove my point.
@PensiveWhiskers7 ай бұрын
You and I appear to have similar tastes. I really liked Ryan Philipe back in the day (from Cruel Intentions). I was also a big fan of Nathaniel in Crazy Ex Girlfriend. I've thought about doing a video on Crazy Ex Girlfriend for a while, but I didn't have a good idea other than a general video. A friend gave me a really good idea recently, maybe I'll execute it. I could talk about Lane and Zach and I might eventually but her story arc with Zach just makes me sad so I haven't wanted to. Doesn't mean I won't do it, it's just that I avoid some topics because they make me frustrated to talk about. I would like to do a video on Lane's bandmates. I liked Zach when he was just a band member, but I didn't enjoy his character as much when he was with Lane.
@xarenanotmyrealname41347 ай бұрын
@@PensiveWhiskers Just talking about Lanes band and the bandmates is a good place to start you can get into Lanes relationship with Zack later. Maybe you could do a video similar to what you did here that Video on Rory from the guys perspective but with Rebecca from her guys perspective something like that is also a good way to refresh everyone on the show.
@PensiveWhiskers7 ай бұрын
Ooh! Now that would be interesting. That video would be bizarre, because she is kind of the villain in her relationships. It would definitely be more complex than analyzing Rory's actions because of Rebecca's mental health. I am more inclined to be sympathetic to Rebecca because of her internal struggles.
@nicoleb33717 ай бұрын
Oh my god I love Nathaniel too! He does remind me of Tristan.
@marlenaeva38133 ай бұрын
I didn't like Tristan, not even as a guy (of course I love chad michael murray), yes he is attractive but he is a bully. Like you said he tries to get the love that the didn't get at home outside the home and in unhealthy ways (bullying is one way to get love). Rory was VERY patient with him, I wouldn't last that long around a guy like Tristan, I'd probably tell him off or scare him away with insults, lol.
@PensiveWhiskers3 ай бұрын
lol, scaring him away is the best way to go. Rory was way too patient.
@eleanorjacobobecker34177 ай бұрын
TBH the first time I watched Gilmore Girls the characters of Logan and Tristan kind of blended together for me cause they look the same.
@moon_on_the_clouds7 ай бұрын
I hate Tristin but I love your videos so I am going to watch this
@Emx-ci1pt6 ай бұрын
tristan was supposed to come back in the show, rory and tristan wouldve met in yale but chad obvi left so they added Logan
@ennuiblue42957 ай бұрын
Maybe you can do a video on Zack sometime, I think he gets a bad rap. I understand how lovable Dave was, but that doesn't make Zack a bad guy. (the part where he throws a tantrum about Brian writing a song for Lane was cheap drama and out of character imo). But other than that he's actually adaptable, loyal, musically talented, and supportive of his wife. I don't think it's a bad match
@PensiveWhiskers7 ай бұрын
Someone else also asked for Zack in the comments! I was thinking of covering him but in the context of the band, not his relationship with Lane. I liked the dynamic that the band had.
@kewuofthedownside7 ай бұрын
I never liked Tristan at all, i hate people who cant take no for an answer 💀
@user-cc1id4kd5h4 ай бұрын
Because you are a woke clown
@hellomew7 ай бұрын
awesome video!!!
@PensiveWhiskers7 ай бұрын
Thank you! 😄
@EmeraldAriell6 ай бұрын
you liked Chad, not trisTAAAAAANNNNN (dean's voice)
@matthewdavis87057 ай бұрын
Dean shoul'vd whooped his ass at the dance. Man had no redeeming qualities, I don't understand why people like him, but they're the same people that fucked with Jess. He was corny, a loser, and annoying as hell. When he took Rory books because she would'nt go to a concert with him, at the last last ep. of season 1, "I'm like this man lame as hell". Dean is easily the most disrespected character in the show, and I'm not even a fan of him.
@hugitkissitloveit86407 ай бұрын
I never liked him.. not for one second. He got away with it because he's a protected rich boy that girls fawned over like he was a prize. To me he's just another Dean. Whiny. Bratty. Petty. And only wanted Rory to stoke their male ego.
@TerezaNovotna-jk6cx7 ай бұрын
Paris and Rory would never be friends... and she got her bad boy a few yrs later anyway. Would Jess be different should Rory and Tristan date?
@farfetchedfantasy6 ай бұрын
Can you do an episode on Jackson??
@PensiveWhiskers6 ай бұрын
Hey! I might, I have a lot of topics I'm trying to cover with the show so I will keep him in mind.
@msfriendsfan4ever7887 ай бұрын
Tristan would have worked as Rory's Christopher moreso than Logan did. But Logan was more likeable
@KolkhozWoman6 ай бұрын
Tristan and Logan are basically the same character
@someone-bt5luАй бұрын
Yeah.. the fantasy of every girl.. the bad boy who you make change cause only you get him, only you see the good in him 🤣
@radhiadeedou82866 ай бұрын
I like your explanation of why people lije Tristan despite all the horrible things he did, but youre forgetting a major aspect of the situation, pretty privilege. I don't think anyone would be as forgiving if Tristan was pkayed by an ugly actor
@petitewhimsies6 ай бұрын
No need to wonder because Logan is Tristan. Check for yourself.
@heyheylistennow7 ай бұрын
This is a Damon Elena situation like how can you ship someone so bad with Rory just because the actor is attractive. Anyways nice video
@PensiveWhiskers7 ай бұрын
I like your analogy. I never finished The Vampire Diaries but from what I've seen, I can see the parallels.
@saraa.42957 ай бұрын
From what we see, none of the privileged kids we see have good home life's. Which for me kinda feels like a "stop being jealous, they all actually have it hard" message to the audience. But i like your comparison from Jess and Tristan, because both also have an intellictual spark with paris (jess and paris are still my guilty pleasure ship)
@PensiveWhiskers7 ай бұрын
For me, I kind of get the impression that ASP gave generational trauma to almost all the kids. 😆 It really feels like the overarching theme of the entire show. Lane, Jess, and Marty are also given a troubling home life. The more characters I review, the more parallels I see.
@saraa.42957 ай бұрын
@@PensiveWhiskers true.. I think they wanted Lorelai to stand out as an exceptionally good mother even though she was mainly okay. So every other parent was given a flaw, to make her shine by comparison. Dean's parents seemed to be quite fine, but they have hardly any screen time...
@nicoleb33717 ай бұрын
@@saraa.4295 Totally agree, 100%. Luke's parents were the exception. Of course, they were dead.
@ik29667 ай бұрын
Yay!!!! First comment
@manticexpert7 ай бұрын
Its so weird to me that between two characters of CMM, Tristin and Lucas Scott, the second is so uncharismatic and unattractive to me. Some would say that I just like badboys but I think that Tristin is much more entertaining and had so much potential.
@PensiveWhiskers7 ай бұрын
I've never watched One Tree Hill, but I could see how the writing influences how we see the character. Tristin was written in a little bit of a mysterious way because it seems like the show was hinting at a compelling backstory or an interesting character arc (which never happened). I think no matter how charismatic an actor might be, the actor's charisma can't save a character.
@gegl37 ай бұрын
Finally, his name spelled correctly! Tristin, not Tristan. :)
@VioletEmerald7 ай бұрын
Really?? Since when. Where is the official spelling of his name confirmed? I'm very curious.
@gegl37 ай бұрын
@@VioletEmerald it's on IMDB for the original series. And it was always written like this in the subtitles. The pronunciation was closer to Tristin than Tristan in the series too, except for the school dance scene with Dean in 1.season, where I always thought he said like that to provoke.
@PensiveWhiskers7 ай бұрын
I thought it was spelled "Tristan" for the longest time. I had to triple check the spelling of his name before making the thumbnail. Misspelling the name of the title character in the video would have been a nail in the coffin for me. Thank you for commenting that I got it right. 🙂
@manticexpert7 ай бұрын
Haha, even in netflix the subtitles called him Tristan. I got confused.
@heyheylistennow7 ай бұрын
I’m so early Tristan is a creep
@user-cc1id4kd5h4 ай бұрын
You are boring
@xiomyra17 ай бұрын
Supposedly, Chad Michael Murry was an asshole in real life. Says Busy Philips
@petabulmer33177 ай бұрын
I hated Tristan being a jerk, but guys have s strange way of showing they like a girl sometimes, don't they? It thought it was kind of sweet how he called Rory "Mary" one last time though... but yeah, he was a bad boy.. who I think was maybe lonely for better people in his life.
@callaendiaАй бұрын
I feel as Tristan's behaviour sometimes just resambles an orphaned child. He is mentioned to have many girlfriends, similarily as Logan. But there is a harsher dynamic going on there. It's like he is hungry for love, because he doesn't get it. With Logan it seems just more pleasure.